Talk:2024 Oregon House of Representatives election

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Requested move 10 June 2024

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Per recommendation in WP:NCELECT. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 16:05, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

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2024 Oregon House of Representatives election → 2024 Oregon House of Representatives elections – similar to 2024 United States House of Representatives elections, shouldn't it be plural because its technically multiple elections for each seat? cookie monster 755 04:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 14:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

• Strong Support and speedy move – similar to 2024 United States House of Representatives elections — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.72.3.91 (talk • contribs) 21:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:NCELECT (plurals only used for elections to multiple bodies). This is a single election and the current title is in line with all other articles in Category:2024 state legislature elections in the United States and Category:Oregon House of Representatives elections. The US House articles are the ones that are incorrectly titled and need moving. Cheers, Number 57 21:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

  WP:NCELECT has been superseded by multiple other WP:RMs such as this. At the very best, it should be marked as historical. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

  Which RMs are you talking about? Number 57 20:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

  There was an RM in San Marino elections that probably led to the amendment in NCELECT. This previously stated to use "Fooian whatever election", and the RM suggested to use "Foo whatever election". I remember you keeping for Sanmarinense (or something) and the rest of Wikipedia was "what was that and why can't we use 'San Marino'?". Howard the Duck (talk) 20:25, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, the guideline was amended as a result of an RfC (which turned out to have been started by a sockpuppet) following the San Marino RM. But the point was that the guideline is still current and hasn't been superseded. Number 57 21:31, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject United States, WikiProject Elections and Referendums, WikiProject Oregon, and WikiProject Politics have been notified of this discussion. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 14:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose per NCELECT and uniformity with other elections, but I personally agree that in a small-r republican system they are technically 60 different elections, not a single one. Nevermore27 (talk) 15:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per NCELECT and Number 57 (plurals only used for elections to multiple bodies). Under this technical interpretation of the plural for elections, I think no election article would use singular except those electing one single seat, which means introducing an interpretation that would effectively supersede NCELECT (without actually attempting to modify the naming convention) as well as many realiable sources. Impru20^talk 09:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

  We have several patterns in naming. This is how WP:RS I've ran into.

  For election names using "general", "presidential", "legislative", "federal", etc. are generally singular. Exceptions are local elections, which are always plural.

  For election names using the name of the body, WP:NCELECT does recommend singular, but we have examples that use plural: 2022 United States House of Representatives elections and 2022 Philippine House of Representatives elections. However, apparently even the US articles follow WP:NCELECT, but now this RM asks that we don't follow NCELECT. Now, NCELECT has been there for a long time, and has not really been tested in RMs until recently, because the default reasoning is "this is policy and we abide with it". I doubt if this specific provision has been created via an WP:RFC, or even agreed upon in an argument aside from "this is policy, we should abide by it." As given in an example above, NCELECT was amended with an RM went against it.

  Normally, I'd argue for "Fooian <name of assembly> election/s", if it is a nationwide at-large election, it is singular, like 2022 Philippine Senate election, as the entire electorate elects the candidates as one at large "district". I believe the Dutch do this as well, but they use the "year Dutch general election" nomenclature. If the election is within multiple districts, I'd argue for plural "elections": the 2022 United States Senate elections is at-large per state, but there were 33 separate at-large elections. The same thing for assemblies elected by districts, such as this one. Howard the Duck (talk) 12:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Then seek a RfC for making an exception for US/other articles as a whole based on X arguments, gauge support for it and, if approved, introduce the exception into NCELECT. What doesn't make sense is to do this for individual articles, then use these as examples on why we should move other articles. It's confusing and may lead to heated debates and controversies, aside of being an enormous waste of effort than can be redirected into one debate involving a number of articles which share the same characteristics.

As of now, the reason given in this RM is that the article should be moved "because its technically multiple elections for each seat", something which is true for all non-single seat elections in the world and which clashes directly with NCELECT. I cannot support this for this reason. Impru20^talk 10:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose It seems like all US state legislative election pages are in the singular. Were this article name to be changed, it would be inconsistent for how it is done for the articles in all other states. It should not be changed unless it is done for all state legislative election articles. I fail to see the argument for the plural in these cases. The standard absolutely is that elections where there are multiple constituencies electing politician to the same entity, the term "election" in the singular is used. Even if the election in each constituency technically occurs in isolation from the election in the other constituencies. 2024 French legislative election, 2024 Indian general election, and 2024 United Kingdom general election are just some of the many examples of this. If anything I would argue 2024 United States House of Representatives elections and 2024 United States Senate elections should be in the singular, but there there can at least be some argument in the other direction (the fact that it is a federal system, and the absence of uniform electoral rules across all states). Gust Justice (talk) 19:05, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: Personally, I am of the opinion that "USHR elections" is not a single election, but a number of individual elections that together form the USHR body, thus "elections" makes sense. Whereas "general election" is a singular collective of many individual elections, thus "election" makes sense. But established guideline/policy takes precedence. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 22:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

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Requested move 31 July 2024

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The result of the move request was: not moved to the proposed title at this time, per related discussions at Talk:2022 Oregon House of Representatives election and Talk:2020 Oregon House of Representatives election; note as well that this should have been done as a multimove request. Dekimasuよ! 04:50, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

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2024 Oregon House of Representatives election → 2024 Oregon State House of Representatives election – Similar to 2024 Oregon State Senate election if the senate race clarifies it is a state election then so should this to not confuse with 2024 United States House of Representatives elections in Oregon. 173.72.3.91 (talk) 20:47, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.