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But we all know that Inter is still better then Milan! 51.36.172.225 (talk) 16:44, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 17:02, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

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Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Matthew_hk t c 15:59, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

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AC Milan was founded 16.12.1899. not 13.12.1899. Puxxx98 (talk) 17:38, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

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This is actually an old dispute. While Milan itself claims 16 December 1899 as its foundation date, historical evidence (in particular a news piece by La Gazzetta dello Sport from 15 December 1899) shows that the actual foundation date is 13 December. I've added a paragraph in the history section to explain the situation. Luxic (talk) 21:02, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

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@Number 57: I don't think the archive is working right here, maybe you can fix it cheers, thanks. Govvy (talk) 21:15, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

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Please change <ref>{{cite news |title=IN CONVERSATION {{!}} GIANLUCA LAPADULA |work=SoccerBible |date=19 May 2017 |url=http://www.soccerbible.com/interviews/2017/05/in-conversation-gianluca-lapadula/ |accessdate=20 May 2017 }}</ref> to <ref>{{cite news|title=In Conversation {{!}} Gianluca Lapadula|work=SoccerBible|date=18 May 2017|url=http://www.soccerbible.com/interviews/2017/05/in-conversation-gianluca-lapadula/|accessdate=18 November 2018}}</ref> because the publication date is wrong, and SoccerBible no longer displays the title in capitals. Ref-checking (talk) 20:50, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Done Gulumeemee (talk) 07:21, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

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Please remove File:Marco Van Basten Pallone d'Oro (Milan).jpg because it has been deleted. Electronic data processor (talk) 20:16, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

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change the link for 'European Cup' in the following text : "The following year, the club won its first European Cup in two decades, beating Romanian..." from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987%E2%80%9388_European_Cup to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988%E2%80%9389_European_Cup Jadenko (talk) 12:24, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for reporting that, Jadenko!--SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 14:47, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 2 December 2019

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 15:05, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

A.C. Milan → AC Milan – Per, WP:NCST which suggests we use the name that is featured on the clubs official English-language website, and the name used most commonly in English-language media; both of which are "AC Milan". The club's website, BBC, TSN ESPN, Fox, Sky Sports, etc. TrailBlzr (talk) 00:01, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Oppose More of a procedural thing, but it's clear from the contents of Category:Football clubs in Italy that the de facto naming convention for Italian football clubs is to use the dots. To retain consistency, I would recommend a centralised discussion on moving all Italian clubs at somewhere like WT:Footy. Number 5 7 00:13, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

We already have Inter Milan and ACF Fiorentina. TrailBlzr (talk) 01:57, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

The “ACF” in “ACF Fiorentina” does not stand for anything. The club used to be called “A.C. Fiorentina” before they went bankrupt and re-emerged under a new name. ACF is just a homage to the former acronym of the team, but the club’s official extended full name remains “ACF Fiorentina”, not “Associazione Calcio Fiorentina Fiorentina” if that makes sense. Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 09:39, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

- Do leave a note here if such a discussion is started, Number 57. 2A02:C7F:6E64:1C00:B54A:ED28:6021:81B6 (talk) 13:51, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
Support. This is clearly the most common way it's written. 2A02:C7F:6E64:1C00:6CA9:6BB3:5049:631D (talk) 01:22, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
Oppose per Number57, but I would support this if we could get consensus for it across the board. I think all dots should be removed from initials as a Wiki-wide MOS change. – Pee Jay 07:43, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Giant Snowman 10:00, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Oppose per N57. Disagree with PeeJay - this needs to be on a ountry-by-country basis, not worldwide. Giant Snowman 10:02, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Why not a team-by-team basis? AC Milan clearly does not use dots, while S.S. Lazio appears to always use them. WP:NCST covers this. TrailBlzr (talk) 15:19, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

That's the thing. This is a situation that varies from source to source, and even from club to club. What we do on Wikipedia surely has to be consistent across the board, either with dots in every initialism or in none of them. We don't put dots in FIFA or UEFA, but we do for the likes of J. J. Watt (couldn't think of a soccer example). Is there a policy reason for that? – Pee Jay 15:35, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

WP:NCST makes clear the sources that matter, first and foremost being the team's English-language website. Whether teams use full-stops or not is part of their individual club identity and brand. The same goes for people. We have J. J. Watt [1], but we also have JJ Redick [2]. Both these names are correct because they are the names used most commonly by these individuals; just as Manchester United F.C. and Minnesota United FC are both correct, despite the difference in initialism styling. TrailBlzr (talk) 16:24, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Support. I normally prefer the J. J. Watt style, especially for people, but in this case I think the convention in the club's website is the clincher and, to be honest, I'm surprised to see A.C. Milan here because AC Milan is definitely the familiar style used throughout British media. If, however, someone can come up with a stronger guideline than WP:NCST, I may reconsider. No Great Shaker (talk) 16:59, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
Support per concision if nothing else Red Slash 23:49, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
Oppose on grounds of consistency. The change should be base on a concensus style for all Italian football clubs, if not for all clubs worldwide. Doing it on an article by article basis results in repeated discussions like this one. Jts1882 | talk 09:34, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
Oppose This is an English wikipedia, and needless to say, you still have to follow grammatical convention, the title is a shortened version of words of a name, when you are removing that name to a singular character you're suppose to add a period after a capital. Hence, this WP:COMMONNAME short version of Associazione Calcio Milan is A.C. Milan, we shouldn't adhere to poor English standards from lazy written sources. Lastly, changing the name to what is suggested would also violate MOS:AT consistency. Govvy (talk) 10:43, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

It's not "poor English standards from lazy written sources". It's the preferred way in many countries. 2A02:C7F:6E64:1C00:21FA:60C5:95DF:494D (talk) 11:35, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

"Lazy written sources"... as in the BBC? ESPN? SkySports? the club's own English-language website? Seriously, if those aren't reliable sources then there is no such thing as a reliable source. Your claim that full-stops is the grammatical convention for abbreviations across the English-language is simply false. If full-stops were the convention, we wouldn't have articles like FIFA, NATO, BBC, NASA, FC Barcelona, PFC CSKA Moscow, etc. TrailBlzr (talk) 11:37, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Yep, throw all rules out of the window! Modern writing vs writing from the 1890s, depends how evolved you want to be. Is wikipedia going to follow generic structure, Oxford? Cambridge? Or do you want to follow a pattern, from other sources, or stick to the Manual of Style structure we began with. There are thousands of articles using the period based naming pattern, we are using quite an old standard on wikipedia. This is down to the question, do you want to stick with it, or do you want to change it? You can't just run an article title through COMMONNAME without breaking the pattern of MOS:AT. Govvy (talk) 11:59, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

You continue to cite MOS, but it appears you haven't read the relevant sections. MOS:ACRO: "Note that Wikipedia generally avoids using full point in upper-case acronyms" — TrailBlzr (talk) 20:54, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

@TrailBlzr: You do realise that AC Milan isn't an acronym right!!??? Govvy (talk) 21:57, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

The same principle applies to two letter abbreviations, like AC. TrailBlzr (talk) 22:00, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

And yet, have you read MOS:AT at all? Seen the example of Inverness City F.C.? It asks for consistency not on just one page, but all pages in title format of the same subject. You point me to one place and yet MOS:POINTS talks about when to use a period. You're asking for a change here, but negating the policy wide naming convention already in place. You either have one or the other for the whole project. You shouldn't default to singular articles. This is bad form and quite frankly, I've seen some shocking name changing on wikipedia without regards to how one should use English correctly. Consistency is key here, and you are showing bad judgement with this name change nomination. Govvy (talk) 23:25, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

@Govvy: I don't think you've understood the reason for Inverness City F.C. being used as an example at MOS:AT. It is there to point out that article titles should only end in punctuation if the punctuation is part of the subject's name, which is totally irrelevant to the discussion of whether the punctuation should be included in the subject's name at all. It strikes me that before you criticise others for not having read a policy document, you should probably make sure you understand it yourself first. – Pee Jay 07:54, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

umm, @PeeJay2K3: That is an example, I point to the top part of that MOS, consistent with those of related articles. Also, punctuation can be done in reverse, it is used to show that a name or a word has been shortened. In our case here, we are shortening "Associazione Calcio" to A.C. and Milan is still spelt so it's not a true acronym. Yes, modern changes have been applied. Probably both is acceptable, but I am arguing for consistency across the project and most seem to be forgetting that. Govvy (talk) 10:03, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

@Govvy: I think you're still getting the wrong end of the stick. Your argument is nonsensical to me. – Pee Jay 10:47, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

You made it pretty clear that your main objection is your false assumption of "poor English standards". 2A02:C7F:6E64:1C00:A149:9C2E:C456:74B3 (talk) 10:42, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

@Govvy: No, it's neither non-standard nor incorrect English nor lazy. In modern British English it is standard practice not to use full stops in abbreviations. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:53, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Support per nom, seems to be the common spelling in English.--Ortizesp (talk) 18:36, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Oppose It would rather a MOS:ENGVAR problem. Yes all wiki articles of Italian clubs have "dots" , and in case of abbreviation, in native Italian they also use "dots" (but not that consistent, eg. at the footnote of gazzetta.it, I.V.A., S.p.A. but also CF, ISSN) In such case, this move should do it elsewhere by forming a new naming convention for Italian football clubs or all football clubs by removing all dots or not. Matthew hk (talk) 09:10, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

And too long to insert ping, TrailBlzr, per WP:Criteria, there is a criterion: Consistency. Yes there is inconsistency for all football club, but not for Italian football club except Inter Milan. So wikipedia never applies team-by-team basis. Other people already answer the Fiorentina problem and i personally have tell other wiki the "full name" did not exist for ACF, ACF is just ACF. Matthew hk (talk) 09:17, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Are you talking for all language wiki's? Because the title on the Italian and French versions of this article is Associazione Calcio Milan. Govvy (talk) 09:29, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

It is off-topic and i mean this: es:Discusión:ACF Fiorentina#Trato de explicar el confuso período de 2002 y que dio al nombre actual. Back to the topic of RM. ACF Fiorentina actually not an inconsistency , as the club itself nor any reliable source had stated it is an abbreviation. Also, in Italy, A.C.F. usually refers to the prefix for women football club. Matthew hk (talk) 09:37, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Support. Hyperbolick (talk) 21:02, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Support - Thekiddio666 (talk) 06:01, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

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Dragonheart (talk) 20:39, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

From "€180M to complete the payment to Finivest and €123M issued directly to the club" to "€180M to complete the payment to Fininvest and €123M issued directly to the club"

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Done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:52, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

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Foundation of the club is written as 13 December 1899, should actually be 16 December 1899 as written in other parts of the page. 61.244.210.244 (talk) 07:43, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, fixed with references. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 14:09, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

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Telekom cup winners 2022 here is a link to the Wikipedia page for Telekom cup https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telekom_Cup 2604:2D80:A108:3F00:E5D3:9C6A:5BAC:C3F2 (talk) 21:37, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Not done Trophies won in friendly matches/tournaments are not considered honours. Luxic (talk) 11:15, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

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Yankee Global Enterprises, owner of the New York Yankees and New York City FC, bought a 10% stake in AC Milan. 161.185.153.46 (talk) 19:03, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

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Stadium Giuseppe mezza

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Stadium Giuseppe mezan 2A02:2F08:7301:9A00:30C3:52A:6D:5222 (talk) 16:06, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

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The football Luis Suarez is mentioned as playing for inter under rivalries however he has never played for the team Helloiau (talk) 16:50, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

The wikilink was wrong: it pointed to Luis Suárez (the contemporary one) rather than Luis Suárez (footballer, born 1935). I fixed it. Luxic (talk) 17:43, 15 April 2023 (UTC)