Talk:Adesh Gupta

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:20, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that the president of the Bharatiya Janata Party's Delhi unit, Adesh Kumar Gupta, made his living as a tuition teacher when he moved to Delhi? source
  • ALT1:... that the president of the Bharatiya Janata Party's Delhi unit, Adesh Kumar Gupta, was arrested for his association with the Ram Mandir Movement? source

• Reviewed: not required for having less than 5 DYK credits Naomi Dattani
• Comment: I tried to find sources in English but failed. There is huge coverage in national Hindi dailies and, not surprisingly, some relevant facts are only covered by them

Created by Deepak G Goswami (talk). Self-nominated at 12:40, 4 June 2020 (UTC).

• Currently at AFD. Yoninah (talk) 18:29, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

• AFD closed as no consensus. Ready for review. Yoninah (talk) 19:10, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

• According to QPQ check, you have 6 DYK credits. Please submit a QPQ review now. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 19:12, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Yoninah, when I nominated this article here, I had less than 5 DYK credits thus I was not required to submit a QPQ review. However, since then, as you pointed out, the total has gone up to 6 credits. Does this rule work in retrospective as well? I am not aware of it.--Deepak G Goswami (talk) 10:40, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

• @Deepak G Goswami: no, it does not. I think what happened is that you nominated a few hooks in a row and it took time for them to be promoted. I will IAR on the QPQ requirement here, but please remember to submit one starting with your next nomination. I will do the review shortly. Yoninah (talk) 10:45, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

• I gave the article a thorough copyedit for English grammar; please check my work. Here is a review: New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen in online English-language sources. QPQ requirement waived. The ALT0 hook is not so interesting for readers in other countries who don't know who he or his party is. The ALT1 hook discusses something that needs a little more description in the article explaining what it is. Meanwhile, the way the hook is written, it sounds like he was arrested while being president of the Delhi BJP. Since this is a BLP, I think it would be safer to fashion a different hook, perhaps about his getting involved in student politics and rising to Delhi BJP president, or else focus on one of his activities in that role. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 11:07, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

• Yoninah, now that I have more than 5 credits, I submit QPQ review with my each nomination (2 of them are even awaiting promotion). Thanks for your copy-editing in the article. About the ALT1, I understand this being a BLP something related to a police arrest may not seem appropriate on the Main Page. However, it's a matter of pride for those politicians and activists who were arrested during this movement (one of the highly controversial topic in the history of modern India which led to number of lawsuits, demolition of a mosque, riots, bombings, and whatnot) as it proved to be very successful for their rise in the politics. Anyway, I am suggesting few hooks for your consideration:
• ALT2:... that the president of the Bharatiya Janata Party's Delhi unit, Adesh Kumar Gupta, was detained by police for violating lockdown norms during ongoing COVID-19 pandemic?
• ALT3:... that the president of the Bharatiya Janata Party's Delhi unit, Adesh Kumar Gupta, started his political career as a twelfth-grade student through Akhil Bharatiya Vidyarthi Parishad?
• If you feel aforementioned hooks are not catchy enough then please suggest something different. I'd really appreciate that. Regards.--Deepak G Goswami (talk) 12:08, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

• @Deepak G Goswami: Thank you for the alts. ALT2 is another BLP violation. ALT3 is not so understandable because of the Indian name at the end. I'd like you to return to ALT1. If indeed that arrest was a matter of pride, I would like you to expand the article a little bit in that section. Right now the article is just mentioning the movement without explaining what it is. Add some description about what the movement was about. Then you can write a variation of ALT1 that adds some description of what this movement was or why it was important. If indeed it was a matter of pride that he was arrested, please add that to the article as well (with a source of course). Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 12:48, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

• ALT4:... that now the president of Bharatiya Janata Party's Delhi unit, Adesh Kumar Gupta was arrested for his association with the Ram Janmabhoomi Movement to claim the land of Ayodhya dispute for Hindus?

Yoninah, I have added a sentence in the article describing what this movement was about. I am little surprised why there is not a separate article on the subject. I would like to create this article but (given controversy around it) it'd attract an annoying merge proposal. Please review the latest proposed hook. This matter of pride thing would mess up the neutrality of the article with undue weightage to one particular aspect of the subject's life. Moreover, this is a sweeping term that I used for politicians who were the part of this movement to describe how they usually feel about it. I am not aware of any source in which the subject himself said that it was a matter of pride for him to get arrested for the cause.--Deepak G Goswami (talk) 14:52, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

• @Deepak G Goswami: Thank you. ALT4 is a little wordy and has extraneous details that are not well-explained; what do you think about this alt:
• ALT4a: ... that Adesh Kumar Gupta, the current president of the Bharatiya Janata Party's Delhi unit, was once arrested and held in a temporary prison for a year for his association with the Ram Janmabhoomi Movement? Yoninah (talk) 16:07, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

• Yoninah, I have struck ALT4a as it is 204 prose characters, above the max length. (ALT4 is 196 characters.) Perhaps "held in a temporary prison" could be replaced by "imprisoned"? Deepak G Goswami, I regret having to say this but the QPQ requirement cannot be so easily brushed aside. It doesn't matter how many DYK credits you have at the time of nomination, it's at the time of review approval that counts, and there are now six. If there had been five credits when Yoninah started the review, a QPQ would still have been required, but somehow that sixth promotion made it through without a QPQ. There should certainly not be a seventh freebie, so a QPQ will be needed here. After all, if someone has four DYK credits and they submit a two-article nomination, we require them to submit a QPQ for the second article; this situation is no different. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:40, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

• Shortening proposed hook:
• ALT4b: ... that Adesh Kumar Gupta, the current president of the Bharatiya Janata Party's Delhi unit, was once arrested and imprisoned for a year for his association with the Ram Janmabhoomi Movement? Yoninah (talk) 09:53, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

BlueMoonset, QPQ done. As I mentioned above, I was not aware of the rule regarding QPQ requirement in retrospective. Thanks for suggesting a concise version Yoninah.--Deepak G Goswami (talk) 11:57, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. Since I added an extra fact to ALT4b, we need someone else to review it. Pinging our hard-working reviewers evrik and Kingsif. Yoninah (talk) 12:13, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

• Per Yoninah's review, I am approving Alt4b. --evrik ^(talk) 13:56, 17 July 2020 (UTC)