Talk:Alatskivi Castle

GA Review

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Reviewer: Hchc2009 (talk · contribs) 18:46, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

I'll read through and begin the review proper tomorrow. Hchc2009 (talk) 18:46, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for all the work on this - I'm about to pass it. Hchc2009 (talk) 11:36, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Well-written:

(a) the prose is clear and concise, respects copyright laws, and the spelling and grammar are correct;

• "Arved von Nolcken" in the lead - it would be useful to term him "Baron Arved von Nolcken" as in the main text, as most readers won't know who he was.
  • Done

• "Alatskivi Castle is one of the many structures that exist in a forested park of 130 hectares (320 acres) area, the largest in Tartu County." I'd suggest: "Alatskivi Castle is surrounded by various ancillary buildings and a forested park of 130 hectares (320 acres) area, the largest in Tartu County." (this focuses the text on the castle, as opposed to the park)
  • Incorporated

• "The park contains many oaks, ashes, maples, alders and an approach path lined with linden trees." "...and has an approach road lined with linden trees" (word missing, and I'm pretty sure it will be a road rather than a path - you must be able to get vehicles up and down it easily?)
  • Done

• "An arch entrance leads to the castle along a path lined with linden trees." - "arched entrance" ("arch entrance" would mean something very different!) and I'd suggest "road" rather than path.
  • Corrected

• "The earliest mention of the manor was in 1601." - in the lead you say that it dates to the 16th century, but the only date in the main text is the 17th century date of 1601?
  • Changed to 17th century

• "its ownership passed on to the Cronmanns. " - I'd suggest "on to the Cronmann family." to make it clear.
  • Yes, done

• "The castle was re-built from 1876–1885 on the initiative and according to the design of the Baron Arved George de Nolcken (1845–1909)" I don't think you need "on the intiative" here - if he designed it, it's a safe bet that he wanted it rebuilt. Or you could have "Baron Arved George de Nolcken (1845–1909) rebuilt the castle between 1876–1885 according to his own designs."
  • Incorporated

• "designed as a smaller version of Balmoral Castle, which he had visited in 1875" - I'd suggest "designed as a smaller version of Queen Victoria's Balmoral Castle in Scotland, which he had visited in 1875". Just gives the context for readers unfamiliar with British castles.
  • Done

• "After nationalization occurred, the castle complex was taken over by the government under the Ministry of Agriculture" - when did nationalization occur?
  • Year mentioned now

• "It has been fully refurbished" - do we have any date for when this occurred?
  • Yes, 2011

• "Author Ain Hinsberg refers to the manor house " - "author", or "writer"? I'd suggest the latter.
  • Done

• " it features a slate roof and turrets,[3] with stone masonry to an asymmetrical layout. The building has both single story and double storied floors." - I'd suggest "The castle is built to an symmetrical plan, with single and double-storied wings, turrets and a slate roof."
  • Adopted suggested change.

• "It serves as a community house for seminars, training programmes and small conferences, with three halls of varying seating capacity, and a canteen caters to the needs of the participants." I'd suggest "It serves hosts seminars, training programmes and small conferences, and is fitted with three meeting rooms and dining facilities."
  • Done

• "Alatskivi rural municipality and the Estonian Theatre and Music Museum were associated with its establishment. " - in what way were they associated? I wasn't quite sure what this meant.
  • Deleted the sentence

• "Eduard Tubin who was one of Estonia's most esteemed composers" - "was" or "is"?
  • Changed

• "The museum also houses a large-scale model of the castle and plays the music of Tubin" - do you mean that they "host concerts of Tubin's music"?
  • Corrected

• "The 130 hectares (320 acres) Manor Park" - "The 130 hectares (320 acres) large Manor Park", or "The 130-hectare (320-acre) Manor Park"
  • Changed

• "A hiking track is laid through the park and it is integral to the Alatskivi Nature Reserve." - how is the track integral to the Nature Reserve? I couldn't quite visualise this.
  • Sentence modified

• "Two reservoirs have been created on the Alatskivi River." - "There are two artificial reservoirs along the Alatskivi River."?
  • Changed.

• "although the statue has been shifted to Kadriorg Park in Tallinn." - "has been moved"; do we have a date for when it was moved?
  • Done. Date is not available
• "the distant fourth circle" - "the outer fourth circle"
  • Done

(b) it complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.

Factually accurate and verifiable:

(a) it provides references to all sources of information in the section(s) dedicated to the attribution of these sources according to the guide to layout;

• There's a citation needed tag that needs addressing. Hchc2009 (talk) 07:37, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Addressed

• "Presser & Baker 2012" - this isn't formatted quite right; it needs to be: "Presser et al. 2012"
  • Sorry about this error. Only three names are accepted in harvnb. The other three authors have to be shown as coauthors. hence I have changed it to I hope it is acceptable.

(b) it provides in-line citations from reliable sources for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines;

• Noting the above, yes. Hchc2009 (talk) 07:11, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

(c) it contains no original research.

• Is "fake-English-castle style" a direct quote, or a translation? If the latter, I think it may be a slightly off; the usual English phrasing for this would probably be "as having been designed as a mock-English castle"? Hchc2009 (talk) 07:37, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Done

Broad in its coverage:

(a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic;

• Are there any other sources about the castle's architecture? It seems fairly light at the moment. Hchc2009 (talk) 07:11, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
  • I could not find any more sources on architectural aspects.

(b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).

• Yes. Hchc2009 (talk) 07:11, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without bias, giving due weight to each.

• Appears neutral. Hchc2009 (talk) 07:37, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.

• Stable. Hchc2009 (talk) 21:20, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Illustrated, if possible, by images:

(a) images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content;

• Yes. Hchc2009 (talk) 21:20, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

(b) images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.

• Could the second "Alatskivi Castle" be "The front of Alatskivi Castle"? Hchc2009 (talk) 21:22, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

• @Hchc2009: Thanks for the review. Yes, I have added the caption.--Nvvchar. 13:12, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

• @Hchc2009: Do you want me to address any more issues?--Nvvchar. 02:22, 16 June 2015 (UTC)Dr

• @Hchc2009: Thanks for the detailed review. I have complied with all the above review observations. User:Rosiestep and User:Dr. Blofeld were also associated with me in writing this article right from the DYK stage. Please let me know if there are any other issues which need to be addressed.--Nvvchar. 16:54, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Well. I must add that despite its short length it's comprehensive, we couldn't write a Castell Coch type article on it anyway, put it that way!♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:54, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

• @Hchc2009: Can you kindly leave a message of approval of this article to GA status in our talk pages? Thank you.--Nvvchar. 15:53, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

File:Alatskivi mõisa peahoone.jpg to appear as POTD

Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Alatskivi mõisa peahoone.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on September 3, 2015. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2015-09-03. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. Thanks! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:18, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Picture of the day

Alatskivi Castle is a Neo-Gothic castle in Alatskivi, Estonia. Dating to the 17th century, it is situated in Alatskivi Parish, Tartu County. It was rebuilt in the late 19th century by Baron Arved von Nolcken, modeled on the royal residence of Balmoral in Scotland. A renovation occurred between 2005 and 2011. Five rooms on the first floor house the Eduard Tubin museum, which documents his accomplishments as a music composer and conductor.Photograph: Ivar Leidus

Neo-Gothic?

I'm curious to learn more about what makes this building Neo-Gothic. I see no pointed arches, rose-windows, webbing, or vaulted arches. The facade lacks the design elements typical of the genre. it does some spire, but I'm not sure that qualifies it as Gothic revival. I've also never seen a Neo-Gothic building with rounded arches, though I know I have not seen them all!

Can some with photos of the interior or describe why this is called "Neo-Gothic?" Thanks!

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.173.78.131 (talk) 15:25, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

I don't think that an article from a travel guide is a reputable source for an architectural style. Does anyone else agree this is a spurious when it comes to analysis of architecture?

Name of lake

Lake Alatskivi is a one-sentence stub that says it's "a lake of [sic] Estonia," rather than divided between Estonia and Russia.

This body of water is more widely known, in several languages, as Lake Peipus (as in German: Peipussee – not to mention (Estonian: Peipsi-Pihkva järv). What's the explanation for it being called Lake Alatskivi here? Sca (talk) 17:24, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

There is a mistake in the article. It states Lake Alatskivi (Lake Peipus), implying they are the same lake, but it's not the same lake. They are connected with by Alatskivi River which has a length of 11.7 km. Indeed, Alatskivi Castle is located by Lake Alatskivi, but Lake Peipus is further away. KSiimson (talk) 18:16, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

That explains it. I'm afraid I put in the (Lake Peipus), which has been removed. In my defnese, the locator map is misleading. Sca (talk) 20:33, 3 September 2015 (UTC)