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Dracula
Just added a small personality note. Considering Dracula was a form of the Anti-Christ in Dracula, the enemy of all things Christian and moral; it says a great deal about his new character in Hellsing to be even willing to say an 'Amen' with Anderson as he died. His earlier comments, and his tears at Anderson's death seem to indicate a subtle, or burried change in his character. While Alucard may not be 'redeem' or reconciled in his hatred of God, he certainly seems to have softened over the years compared to his earlier character.
I removed the bit about conflicting evidence in the "Dracula connection" section. Besides the fact that Alucard's identity is no longer up for debate, the argument was flawed. Dark Horse omitted a very important detail in their translation: only females need to be virgin in order to be turned. Males don't have to be. I'm pretty sure they just need to be strong willed. Also, in the Hellsing universe, natural male vampires are called "Draculs" and natural female vampires are called "Draculinas". This is why, in volume 3, Alucard calls Seras "Draculina". This might seem like an insult or pet name, but he's actually referring to what she has become.
For some reason, Dark Horse omitted all of this. It's in the original Japanese material and also the Spanish edition.
I also think "the Dracula Connection" should simply contain a brief and concise explanation of Alucard's true identity, rather than presenting evidence, because the debate is over. Anybody who actually reads the manga knows who he is. Schrödinger 04:35, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
- I'm afraid I'm going to need more than your word on it about this issue regarding male vs. female vampires. To me, at the moment, it looks like you're blowing hot air. EVIDENCE. Give me page numbers or essays. I think if all it required was a strong will, you'd see more male ghouls becoming vampires instead. --Obsidian-fox 22:26, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
205.251.10.86 02:52, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
- Not only is the debate over, but the last chapter released is all about his life as Vlad III, starting with him being held hostage by the Turks at age 13 (as well as being raped), then his adult life with conquests and impaling, and finally his execution (where he seems to renounce his trust in God and become an undead). Captain Günsche 22:59, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
- I think we need to get people's opinions on whether or not that section should be completely leveled and replaced with a concise explanation. It actually keeps growing; people are adding every little thing they can think of, and normally I don't mind that - I think the Hellsing articles on Wikipedia should be a cornucopia of information, regardless of whether or not cynical people think it's "fancruft" - but it is presented in a "this may or may not be true" manner. That's my problem with it. There is no uncertainty or ambiguosity left, for anybody who has been following the manga up to the very latest chapters. Presenting this info as "possibilities" is bogus and gives people the wrong impression. If there is a concern about spoiling the series, then we can use spoiler tags.
Schrödinger 04:35, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
- I agree we should be unambiguous as possible, but you NEED to support any changes with more than a word. --Obsidian-fox
I think the Dracula Connection section should be removed. I mean, do we even need it anymore, since his identity as Dracula has long since been finalized in the Hellsing canon? --Hellspawn
- I've been thinking that for a long, long time. It's unnecessary and redundant. All the relevant information regarding his mortal years as Vlad III Dracula and the events of the novel are in the History section. And I still think it's really misleading to the uninitiated to have a section with "evidence". We don't need to present it as "evidence" because it's blatantly, painfully, explicitly obvious in the manga. His identity has long been established, and as such, should be presented as fact like anything else in the article. Schrödinger 17:19, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Age and Conflicting Dates
I don't feel this little tidbit belongs in the main article. It has been moved to the talk section, where it belongs.
- Controversially a date mentioned in Vol. 1 -- Wednesday, June 14 -- occurs in 2000 but not in 1999.
- One possible explanation is that he hasn't reached his birthdate as the story is supposedly set in current month of September. Sporadic dates are given throughout the early volumes when fairly substantial amounts of time have past however it eventually stops skipping days. Flashback dates are given, year included while skipped time dates are devoid of references to the year. The date is therefore estimated at somewhere in the middle of September, still some time before Alucard gains another year.
- Correct. Hellsing starts in June 1999. Alucard shouldn't turn 568 until November or December 1999. --Obsidian-fox 09:54, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Anyhow, if you wish to add any more odd, irrelevant tidbits, please add them here. --Obsidian-fox 09:54, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
13 mm Auto 'Jackal'
I was wondering if anyone had further information on the weapon. Lacking a visible slide, I've been personally coming to the conclusion that its using rifle-style blowback or gas operation. Does anyone have any further technical data on it, or did they just leave it open for everyone to guess? CABAL 15:34, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
- Well, by basic physics, if its charge is designed for the barrel length, and its alloy is top of the line at the time, then the gun is going to produce at least 45% more energy than the S&W Model 500 (at the same power and bullet mass) and up to 75% more energy (at the same pressure, which probably requires a heavier bullet to take advantage of that extra length). That would be a range of 5-6kJ. If the barrel can handle higher pressures than the S&W 500, then the energy can be a bit higher; there are a lot of advantages of a big gun. Anyhow, basic physics would say it's /at least/ twice as powerful as his Casull (2.7 kJ). --Obsidian-fox 09:54, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
- I'm more familiar with measuring ammunition strength by "feet/meters per second" at muzzle velocity than in joules. Given your estimations, it would definitely outpace the Model 500, which itself outpaces the 44 Magnum by about 37% using the heaviest-pressure load (CORBON Hunter 440-grain HC) and about 32% for the biggest load (CORBON Hunter 500-grain HC). However, someone showed me screencaps of the Jackal from the anime series and it seems that it does have a slide, it just moves very slightly, so I'm still suspecting gas operation like the Desert Eagle. If so, Alucard must have to clean out the gas ports very often (If I'm not wrong, DEs have a reputation of fouling up the gas tubes very quickly). CABAL 05:34, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
- Velocity, mass, toughness, and cross-sectional area are the numbers that matter most for causing penetration and shock. (Toughness matters in preventing deformation of the bullet, and toughness of the material.) Tearing materials apart consumes -energy- (based on the toughness of the target material). Pushing through fluids (or solids that were recently torn up) consumes -momentum- based on the density of the medium and and dumps the relevant energy into a pressure/shock wave in the medium. (That happens because moving forward through a fluid requires moving the molecules that are directly in front of the bullet, too. This directly results in the square laws for air resistance.) Due to square-cube laws relating surface area to mass, bigger bullets will always be better against fluid resistance (which is very significant). Higher energy bullets do better at the "cutting" aspect. Both are better with a narrower front profile. This is seen in the difference between arrows and bullets. Due to how powder conflagrates in a gun, it's easier to get more energy into a higher-mass bullet... but velocity will drop. Anyhow, basic point is that you need much more than velocity to make a good estimate of bullet ability. Velocity gives a good upper limit for range in an environment without atmosphere, and it has significant ability on how well the bullet can be dodged or evaded, but other than that it isn't valuable. Supposing the bullet will reach the target with most of its velocity intact (which is true for short-range shooting), for soft points or hollow points (like Alucard uses), energy matters much more because it has a significant impact on how deeply the wider bullet can cut through material (and thus do things like tear off Alexander Anderson's arm).
- Short lesson aside, yes, it seems the Jackal has a slide in the manga, too. It is seen in Volume 3, page 100, the first place he uses the gun. It also seems to have some sort of gas-operated blowback mechanism for the spent cartridges, but I'm not up on all the technical details of automatic pistols. --Obsidian-fox 08:53, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
- I'm more familiar with measuring ammunition strength by "feet/meters per second" at muzzle velocity than in joules. Given your estimations, it would definitely outpace the Model 500, which itself outpaces the 44 Magnum by about 37% using the heaviest-pressure load (CORBON Hunter 440-grain HC) and about 32% for the biggest load (CORBON Hunter 500-grain HC). However, someone showed me screencaps of the Jackal from the anime series and it seems that it does have a slide, it just moves very slightly, so I'm still suspecting gas operation like the Desert Eagle. If so, Alucard must have to clean out the gas ports very often (If I'm not wrong, DEs have a reputation of fouling up the gas tubes very quickly). CABAL 05:34, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
- 1) Thanks for that, now I understand why the 500-grain CORBON loads have lesser velocity (A lot of that reminded me of hydrostatic shock). 2) Gas-operated handguns like the DE are not really any different from a modern rifle in terms of operation. A gas-operated rotating bolt mechanism, except minimized and inside of a handgun. Alucard's Jackal certainly would be able to accomodate a short-stroke gas-operation mechanism easily. 3) "Gas-operated blowback" isn't really a valid term to use, it would imply that the weapon was somehow managing to tap the gas simultaneously from the chamber and barrel, which would be best described as inefficient. 4) Shell removal and reloading is performed as the mechanism finishes travelling rearwards (AKA right after a shot), the extractor claw hooks onto the rim beforehand and slams it against another component during travel, causing it to tumble out of the weapon and allowing for the next round to go in. This may just be the angles on the Jackal, but the perceived slight movement of the slide seems rather insufficient to accomodate ejection, not to mention loading. CABAL 12:38, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
- I dont know who the original writer for the section below was but I moved it from the "Quotes from Alucard" section to here. 68.55.125.227 (talk) 04:12, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
(There are also firestorm operating systems. Although they were very recently adapted to handguns the princables remain the same. Rather then using a hammer to punch a primer, electicle impulses are sent to a small charge behind the round cousing a simmiler effect of standered fire-arms. Although this is unliky do to time frames and that there is a hammer on the weapon. There still is the possiablity.)
Quotes by Alucard
Should it be better to move this to a "wikiquote" or so?
- Actually, I think that would be appropriate. I don't really feel having all these quotes is appropriate to the article itself. On the other hand, I'm not sure what Wikiquote policy is on fictional characters. Should they be attributed to Kohta Hirano through Alucard? Or just straight to Alucard_(Hellsing)? Anyone else want to weigh in?
- By the way, welcome to the Wikipedia. You should be sure to register before you do it, though. --Obsidian-fox 21:05, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
- Definitely. None of them are very relevant anyway, the TV series had bad dialogue and some of them are very out of character. If we're going to have quotes, they should be from the manga or OVA series. Even so, they belong on Wikiquote, not the main article. Maybe 2 or 3 would be okay, but not that many. Schrödinger 21:44, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah, we seem to have a full page of quotes now, with more being added. It's ridiculous. Moved to Wikiquote http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Alucard_(Hellsing) Note: I know nothing about Wikiquote article conventions, so I just pasted the stuff accross and gave a short summary at the top.--Tjstrf 20:02, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Silver Bullets
Currently the article states that the .454 Casull Auto Joshua is made completely of silver, from the cross at Lanchester Church. Yet in the dubbed version of the anime, Alucard specifically says, "A silver cross at Lanchester church was melted into the alloy for the bullets." I am assuming that the information about the gun being completely silver is taken from the manga (though I am not familiar with it), and supported by the gun's colour, but I want to draw attention to the fact that not all sources point to this. The anime states that only the bullets were made from the silver cross. This could be stated as a note, if necessary. Also, Seras was warned about touching silver objects, and when she did her fingertip was scorched. Assuming this applies to all vampires, it is unlikely Alucard would be holding a gun made of silver with obviouos ease, especially in his teeth as he does at one point in the first episode of the anime. Of course he may have some resistance to the effects of silver, though this is rather doubtful, considering Incognito's words "It's about time you had a taste of your own silver bullets" and the damage subsequently taken by Alucard. In any case, an ample amount of evidence in the anime points to the gun not being made entirely of silver, only the bullets. -LordHoborgXVII
- All relevant Manga quotes I could find on Alucard's guns (note: I only have the first five volumes). --Obsidian-fox 06:14, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- (Regarding the Casull, Volume 1, pp 27)
- 13mm explosive steel rounds, alloyed with silver melted from a Lanchester cathedral cross. (*Note: The 13mm here is definitely in error, seeing as the .454 Casull is 11.5mm.
- (Regarding the Jackal, Volume 2, pp14-15)
- 13mm Anti-Freak combat pistol, Jackal.
- Unlike the .454 Casull you've been using, it uses a new type of custom rounds.
- 39cm long, 16kg, 6 round magazine; This isn't something a human could handle
- Customized 13mm Armor Piercing Explosive Rounds
- (The Casings?) Made from pure Macedonian silver
- (The Gunpowder?) Marvell's Chemicals Cartridge N.N.A.9 (Which doesn't exist AFAIK)
- (The tips? explosive mercury?) Mercury tips, blessed in advanced.
- (Might as well add the Harkonnen, Volume 2, pp17)
- 30mm anti-midian cannon, "Harkonnen"
- There are two types of ammo - depleted uranium shells and armor-piercing incendiary rounds. It can function as an anti-tank rifle, eliminating all targets both on land and on air. (IRL, such a gun wouldn't be good against modern Main Battle Tanks, but anything up through the 1970s and modern light armored vehicles would be vulnerable.)
- Thus it seems all the manga information agrees that only the bullets are made from the silver cross. It's surprising that it is popularly believed that the entire gun is made from silver. It's probably beause of it's colour. I see the page has been corrected.-LordHoborgXVII
- The gun might make it as a tank-killer if it was done from above and firing a heavy round like the PGU-14/B API, though its low rate of fire would greatly hold it back. I mentioned ROF as I seem to recall an autoloading version of the Harkonnen in the manga. A page depicting Celes holding one Harkonnen in each hand, and feeding belted ammo from a backpack dispenser. Anyone can confirm? CABAL 10:56, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- That sounds accurate from what I've /heard/, though I haven't actually read that section. The auto-Harkonnens should happen in either Volume 6 or 7 (which I don't have.)
- It would take hits to vulnerable spots to work against modern MBTs, though a few hits to the same spot would have the same effect. The stronger 30mm rounds (circa 300 grams Uranium ball combined with enough charge to launch at 1400 m/s, total 300kJ and p=420 kg*m/s - enough to carry a 60kg cannon back at 7m/s per shot) are still far short of modern anti-tank weapons (which measure in Megajoules). However, they do match anti-tank weapons of ye' old crowd... which includes much of that to which Millennium would have access. --Obsidian-fox 11:26, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- In other words, Hellsing doesn't really need anything more powerful since Millenium has access to nothing more modern. Though you wouldn't really need to penetrate armor to consider a tank dead; IIRC, the story goes that an Abrams way back in the first Gulf War met an anti-aircraft platform (probably one of the ZSU series). The quad-cannons pretty much tore all the external components and treads off, rendering the vehicle blind and immobile. Crew were fine, though. CABAL 13:02, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- Harkonnen is a strange name. A possible reference to Dune's House Harkonnen? Or is it simply something in German? --maru (talk) contribs 06:00, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
- The Harkonnen is a reference to Dune's Baron Harkonnen. Also, the "Auto-Harkonnen" is titled the "Harkonnen II" and mainly used for defending the Hellsing compound. (Onimura Ixmythot 15:06, 4 May 2007 (UTC))
Superhero template
I really don't think a "superhero" template is appropriate for Alucard. He's not a superhero and Hellsing is not a superhero comic. Does anybody else think it should be removed?
Some of the info is inaccurate anyway; Vlad Tepes is not his original name (it's a postmortem nickname). Schrödinger 21:15, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Eventhough he is clearly not a hero like any other superhero, he is the main 'good' guy in this plot. His methods may be unorthodox. On the other hand I do agree that Alucard does not really need a superhero template, but that is just me.--84.27.26.118 12:43, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- I won't dispute that he's the main protagonist of Hellsing (he's portrayed as noble, knight-like man with honor and conviction, although he's somewhat twisted). I just think the template is unnecessary and inappropriate, since he's not a superhero in any sense of the word and Hellsing is not a superhero comic. For now, though, I've cleaned up the info in the template until we decide to remove it or not. Schrödinger 05:33, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
The "superhero" template is not just for superheroes it's used for the Major in Ghost in the Shell and non-superhero characters from Vertigo titles.--Croatnik 05:17, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
- K, we'll keep it. Schrödinger 02:55, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
It could be argued that Hellsing is a superhero comic. It's about people with superhuman powers (which are all abilities that are common in superhero comics) who fight the forces of evil. They just don't run around in costumes. User: Ash Loomis
it works better with a template of some sort, if not a superhero one, which one should be used?
Middle history
Why is there little information about Alucard between being Vlad Tepes and his release by Integra? I'm curious as to why if he is such a badass he was locked up and had the control restrictions implaced on him. --maru (talk) contribs 06:05, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
- Nothing behind his imprisonment has been said in the story so far. The only things are guesses amongst fans. Arthur's dialogue in chapter 72 appears to give a motive for this imprisonment as being voluntary, to help Alucard achieve a state of rest, or "temporary death" (which he longs for), while still keeping him around. Captain Günsche 16:42, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
- In a similar vein, I am personally intensely curious about how exactly he was defeated in the first place, given the ridiculous amount of firepower that has to be thrown against him to even damage him a little bit (an authentic relic of Jesus Christ turning his great foe Anderson into a "monster of dog", and he defeats him easily anyway?) - I mean, one can't help but wonder how the hell Helsing and co. managed to do it. --Gwern (contribs) 23:02 4 November 2007 (GMT)
Hellsing helped make him as powerful as he is. Before they "gloriously molded him into the ultimate undead" he would have been "only" as powerful as Dracula was in the Bram Stoker novels. So he was very strong, quick, could transform, etc. But not to the degree that he is in the manga, nor could he summon familiars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.208.124.45 (talk) 22:11, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Immortality
Alucard is Immortal, according to wikipedia's definition, in the sense that he is not a mortal being like a human. Immortal does not necessary mean unkillable, just that the character is unaging and will not die from normal causes. If you look on the category page for Fictional Immortals you will notice that there are 3 types of subcategories: Gods, vampires, and elves. Vampires and elves are both killable, but are considered immortal because they don't die naturally. So, Alucard is immortal, or at least possesses limited immortality. Also, according to hellsing, vampires's immortality is a major selling point with the people the nazis recruit, so vampires are considered immortal within the hellsing universe as well.
Ugh, that was horribly written. Hopefully you all understand what I'm saying though.--Tjstrf 05:27, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
- Alright, I'm cool with that. Schrödinger 18:29, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
- I'd also recommend reading chapter 72 for further confirmation. Integra's father calls Alucard immortal a few dozen times. --12.218.150.28 19:51, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Powers
When does Alucard ever uses his "Weather manipulation" ability? I have read the entire manga up to volume 9, chapter 7 and have yet to see this skill. Helios 22:02, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
- It's an assumption, although not an unreasonable one. Dracula manipulates weather in both the novel and the Coppola film (and as we know, Hellsing is an AU continuation of the novel/film). You can remove it if you think it's inappropriate, I don't really care either way. Schrödinger 22:28, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
- I think it's the part where he's forced the aircraft carrier up the Thames; it's completely surrounded by an obviously unnatural fog. --Gwern (contribs) 22:58 4 November 2007 (GMT)
No-Life King
Actually, I'm not sure that Fushiou is the Japanese translation of Nosferatu, but it's used that way on a Yugioh card. --Raijinili 13:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Release States
"There are shown to be six levels of restriction and six corresponding states." Alucard never shows us anything other than 3 release states in the manga (even though he never releases to anything other than one or zero,) so shouldn't this be changed to something like this?: "In the anime there are shown to be six levels of restriction and six corresponding states, whereas in the manga there appear to be three." Highcount. 15:58, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't belive that he shows 6 in the series either. The only difference in the two was that Alucard released to Level 2 during a "Situation B." After Integra reconizes the situation as A-Class, he goes into his manga-style Level 1 in episode 13. But I've seen this face pop up in other places, so I'll leave it for now.--Oreichalcos (talk) 15:47, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Girlycard
I just felt like pointing out that in Chapter 80 after Walter reverts to his 14 year old self, which may be a side effect of the process Doc preformed on him, Alucard voluntarily shifted into "Girlycard". I believe this is relevant on the debate of it being a stage of the "Control Art Restriction System". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.33.9.99 (talk) 18:58, 13 February 2007 (UTC).
Should we add an image of Girlycard to the page? What about the Vlad-like appearance he briefly assumed after the Level Zero release? --Warp L. Obscura 11:41, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Girlycard image from OVA added. If you want to replace it with a Dawn image, be my guest. The Vladcard image still needs to be added, though. --Warp L. Obscura 12:33, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Changed description on pic from "Alucard in the form of a young girl" to "in the form of a young boy" because while it's nicknamed his "girlycard" form, there's no evidence that he changed genders when he changes into that form, and when he fought Walter he mentioned changing his appearance to look younger, not changing his gender.
- While it is true that "Girlycard"'s gender is hard (impossible?) to verify grafically, Hirano stated himself that it (the gender) is female. I assume it was John F. T. Cashin who changed that back and added the reference at my request. I hope this doesn't pop up again.
201.250.10.204 18:36, 10 May 2007 (UTC)Helios 18:41, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Possible Limit to regneration/immortality
I remember how in the manga Alucard commented he had difficulty regenerating from Alumbra's cards. Also, when Alcucard summoned his army of familiars Anderson commented that is why he was hard to kill, he had somehow absorbed and had access to the life essense of so many beings. Finally, considering how Millenium, or at least Walter, is trying to kill Alucard with prolonged attacks and they have commented how they can overcome him is it possible there is a limit to how much he can regenerate? I know so far the final transformation of Father Anderson was the only thing able to seemingly do serious injury to Alucard, but if he is limited in someway to the nuber of people he has killed and he can only survive so many times before he is reduced back to standard vampire immortality shoudn't this be mentioned, or am I reading to much into this and Alucard is not in any danger at all and can reform his hellhound at a moment's notice?
If you pay close attention to the fight with Anderson after he impaled himself with Helena's nail, Anderson's domination of the fight from that point is not his own doing. As soon as Seras convinced Alucard to marshal himself Alucard effortlessly beat Anderson.
The same can be seen in his fight against Walter when he seemingly gets over Walter's betrayal.
It all seems to be tied to his current state of mind, not so much a limit to his power limits.
Links to occult texts and Egyptian mytholigy.
Anyone care to comment on the trailer to the Hellsing anime? And the words on Alucard's coffin?
"I am hermes, I become tame by eating my wings."
and their resemblance to a quote from the Ripley Scroll[1]?
"The Bird of Hermes is my name, Eating my wings to make me tame."
And the similarities in their physical appearance and transformations?
- "In the Sea withouten lesse,
- Standeth the Bird of Hermes:
- Eating his Wings variable,
- And thereby maketh himself more stable;
- When all his Fethers be agon,
- He standeth still there as a stone;
- Here is now both White and Red,"
Or if you don't want to talk about that, how about the fact that at the end of the series Alucard fights "Set" who is an Egyptian god. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.136.32.196 (talk) 08:01, 2 March 2007 (UTC).
- Everyone knows that Alucard's incantation on his coffin is linked to old texts, but no one knows enough to make a proper section.
(Set was a anime cop-out that had Symmetry in mind.) Highcount. 14:51, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Teleportation
This ability is not shown solely in the Anime created by Gonzo. It was either Volume 4 or 5, but when Walter and Integra were discussing how to get Alucard onto the Eagle to deal with the Millenium agents he rose up from Integra's shadow and formed his body completely.
- I believe it was 5, because he only appeared near the end of one chapter in 6 and came back at the end of 7, I'll have to get my brother to double check.
Telekinesis
It may only be a minor display, but I do believe I've found an example of Alucard using Telekinesis in the manga. In Volume three after he has dispatched most of the SWAT team, Alucard follows the last man to the door, which locks itself on it's own, with Alucard entering the room shortly after the SWAT member tries to open the door with no such luck. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.33.9.99 (talk) 23:00, 1 May 2007 (UTC).
Also, from the same Volume I believe I've found another example. Right before exiting the front doors of the hotel, the SWAT members Alucard most likely killed on the elevator were thrown simultaneously out of the hotel's lobby and were simultaneously impaled on flag poles. Even if he grew extra arms like he did in Volume 5 it is highly unlikely that he'd be able to hurl all these men with such efficiency, regardless of his superhuman strength and heightened sense of sight.
Opening Paragraph
There have been a number of reversions lately involving the continued addition of a very confusingly written bit about the character's name, as well as replacing every incidence of the word "Alucard" with "Arucard". Given that the name of the page is "Alucard (Hellsing", it would make sense that the article either refer to the character by that name. Alternately if this is actually a controversy and deserves comment, the comment should be understandable. Murphyr 08:58, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
- I am starting to believe that this is vandalism, as this person is also removing or altering non-English words from the article (中田譲治, アーカード, Ţepeş, Kazıklı, Călugărul, Алукард). The bit about the name Alucard being owned by Konami is completely false, it's been in use since at least 1943 (see Universal Pictures' film "Son of Dracula"). Arucard is simply a mistranslation. This person is either a vandal, or extremely misinformed...or both. They're repeatedly adding false information to this article, the Hellsing manga article, the TV series article, the OVA series article, the Hellsing Org. article, and the Hellsing: The Dawn article. It's very annoying.
- Is it a controversy? No, not really. Before the manga was very popular, there was still a lot of confusion because Geneon used "Arucard" in their packaging and subtitles (but the English/Japanese dialogue still used Alucard/アーカード), and many people didn't realize that he was Vlad Dracula. Since the manga has gained popularity, there has been less confusion about Alucard's name (but, unfortunately, plenty of confusion over another character's name). Coincidentally, chapter 84 just came out, and "Alucard" is clearly written in one of the panels. This is the first time Hirano has actually printed it in English correctly, as he usually writes the names in Engrish (Arucard, Serousse, Integla, Vernedead, etc). Schrödinger 15:57, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
I changed all instances of "Arucard" with "Alucard." It has always been, and always will be Alucard. Someone will have to replace the Japanese letters, because I don't know Japanese. Agent Chieftain 17:40, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Actually, I changed all of the instances of Arucard with Alucard.-Not logged in.
Of course, now someone changed it back.-Not logged in.
Different picture
Shouldn't we use a different picture than the current picture of Alucard. Well this is mainly just to look nicer and an picture from the anime or a better picture , would do much better.Evxyza92 02:43, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
:There's nothing wrong with the current picture... Schrödinger 15:38, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
- Scratch that, it's gone now and the DVD cover is back up. It's not characteristic of him at all. Could someone please put up a better pic, from the manga, that won't be taken down? We can add a TV series pic to another part of the article, like in Seras' article. Schrödinger 13:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
- I agree. The manga is the most faithful sourse, with the OVA coming second. A picture from the manga is the best. 155.207.48.88 14:28, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Finally fixed the "Dracula connection" section
I was thinking of doing this for a long time, and other people have suggested it as well. I was hoping there would be more discussion about it but there wasn't, so I went ahead and got rid of the whole thing. I have replaced it with a more concise explanation of his identity, and how it is revealed within the story. There doesn't need to be a gigantic list of every little thing that could possibly allude to his identity, because his identity is made absolutely plain in volume 8. I may combine it with the history section later on, and add references to other sections. This may take some time, but please bear with me. If anyone else wants to add references to other parts of the article (although most/all of the information can simply be found in the manga itself), please do. Schrödinger 22:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Power Clarification
Just changing "anything with an obviously large weight" to "anything heavier than a human being". I believed that large weight was kind of vague and after watching OVA III, I believe further that he used Telekinesis to impale all those soldiers.
Also, from around the same area, wouldn't his defying of gravity in the fight with Tublacain fall more under his ability to fly/levitate than a whole new power?
Personality
While not entirely inaccurate, I don't think the section on Alucard's personality is quite right. It states that he coldly kills opponents and mocks them, including Luke Valentine; however, there are several instances, for example in that fight itself, where Alucard shows general glee with facing a strong opponent. It's very possible that, given Alucard's warrior history and intense strength, he longs for a real challenge.
Evidence to suggest this, though never outwardly said perhaps, is very evident in his reactions during his fights with Luke and Anderson (as well as others, but most noticably during these fights). First, Alucard shows outward glee at fighting with Anderson, and shortly after approving Release State 0, goads Anderson into driving through his legions to fight him, calling him "Rival." During his fight with Luke, he allows the boy to continuously shoot him, and, after a grand display of skill on the part of Luke, Alucard gets excited about actually fighting someone like him. Again, there is evidence that Alucard isn't mocking him, but is like a child expectantly telling his friend to hurry up - this is shown by his obvious disappointment when Luke doesn't; it would seem that Alucard actually thought Luke capable of it, and then became heartbroken when he realized that the young vampire had already been fighting at his pinnacle of power.
Anderson, too, seems to express a deep enjoyment in their battles, most likely because both push each other to their absolute limits; they seem to experience a "fighter's high" and seemingly have formed a deep respect for each other and a quasi-friendship from their fights. This is backed, again, throughout volume 8, when, even after Integra had ordered Alucard to "destroy all enemies in (his) sight," Alucard's legions allowed Anderson to walk among them without attacking him, until Alucard and Anderson both agreed to fight (only after this did Alucard's familiar legions begin assaulting Anderson).
One last facet of Alucard's personality seems to be his obsession with dying. Like a Nordic warrior, it could be that Alucard's penchant for telling his enemies to kill him could actually be a request for someone to really kill him. As stated before, Alucard loathes suicide, but he also seems to long for death (as is obvious in his respect for humans' transiency, proclaiming to Walter especially that it is a gift). A common theme in vampire literature is a vampire's desire to die, yet it seems that they are incapable of ending their own lives. It is very possible then, that Alucard, incapable of killing himself both physically and because of honor, longs for someone to best him and finally put him to eternal rest.
I ask that these be considered, because there is substantial evidence throughout the story to support these claims. Alucard is far too intricate a character to label him as simply a bragging megalomaniac who believes he can't be defeated, and there is sufficient evidence to prove just the opposite.
connections
what exactly connects Alucard to J.H. Brenner this seems like fan speculation —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.244.187.222 (talk) 22:57, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
- He used that name as an alias when he went to Rio. Schrödinger 00:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Dracula Image
could there be any chance that we can get the Image from the Manga of Alucard as Vlad III Dracula. it would be nice for the identity section —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.244.187.222 (talk) 08:39, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Alucard | draculA
i think is really obvious, perhaps you should add it to the page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.164.153.233 (talk) 03:06, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- The article already discusses this in great detail. Schrödinger 16:43, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Fan site?
The way this page, and others, particularly the Captain's, is written seems very fan site-esque. I can't remember what the tag is, though... BlackSlivers (talk) 23:26, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
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Biography?
Anyone plan on adding one? I was really pleased with this article, but I notice that there seems to be little, if any, summarization of what happens with him throughout the manga. All other characters, even those with significantly less of a role in the Hellsing franchise (See: Doc), seem to have fairly detailed descriptions to what happens to them throughout the series. Unless I overlooked it I do not see much of this in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.253.36.46 (talk) 08:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Genre
I think it might be also considered a trash category anime and also the character Alucard is very trash. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.80.143.191 (talk) 18:23, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
- Ha, ha, you're so funny! I think your contribution is trash.
Is pressumed diseased
After he absorbed Schrodinger, he seems to have stopped existing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.94.163.55 (talk) 00:25, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
However-considering the manga is still being produced, Im not sure if this is the last we see of Alucard —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.2.1 (talk) 17:58, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
Alucard is back! He returned as just one soul, a "man" in Hellsing standards, even if undead. The ending was very shippy-happy for AlucardxIntegral supporters. 190.246.136.225 (talk) 06:04, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Power changes from final chapter
Hi all, I'm no expert, but I think it's probably conjecture to say that Alucard has "become a normal vampire" after his return in the final chapter. Maybe not all of his powers are intact, but who is to say which are and which aren't? Maybe he's much as he was plus with the addition of Schrodinger's powers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by RenegadeM4ster (talk • contribs) 22:12, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
He had to destroy all of the other souls to recognize himself, so he's back at square one, undead-wise. However, he probably has Schrodinger's abilities, including advanced regeneration, teleportation, and immortality. Also, Integra could probably power him up the same way the Hellsing family did throughout the years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.133.195.49 (talk) 02:04, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
He says "I am everywhere and nowhere" when Integra asks him where he has been, why he is late ect. His extra souls are now gone, but he appeared in Integra's bedroom out of nowhere, was not harmed by her multiple gunshots, and looked normal even after being deprived of blood for thirty years (whereas a twenty year period reduced him to a corpse before absorbing Schrodinger). Thus I think that what happened was he gained Schrodinger's powers (he exists however and wherever he wants to) but he obviously no longer has familiars. All of his other abilities were probably unaffected, ie the "powerups" from various Helsings' occult experimentation. I don't remember my old username so my apologies about the lack of a signature. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.251.242.75 (talk) 20:41, 17 November 2008 (UTC) Yes, I agree with the previous comment. Agreed he has no more familiars, so his familiar-related powers must be gone, but who is to say just how this has affected his other abnormally prodigious talents? Integra was clear that many of these are the result of Hellsing's experimentation and thus may or may not be linked to all the souls he contained. Andersen seemed to feel his nigh-immortality and ridiculously fast regeneration abilities were linked to all the souls though, so possibly some of his powers are altered, but again, none of this is every clarified so it remains conjecture as to which powers are intact and which are not (other than those directly related to familiars). Also, it must be true that he has Schrodinger's powers which surely makes him a relatively unstoppable force with or without his familiars. My only point was that to say he has now become "a normal vampire" and lost some of the powers that made him special is really not a claim you can back up... RenegadeM4ster (talk) 20:50, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
First off, don't read this and think that I am being argumentative because that is not my intent. That being said: Dracula was never a "normal vampire" to begin with. He only lost one power, his familiar-making abilities. Count Dracula, and thus Alucard, could shapeshift extensively before Van Helsing ever arrived on the scene. He could hypnotize people, and he had super strength. He was even able to walk under the sun without it bothering him (he just couldn't use anything but his super strength unless it was night). Really all the Helsing family did was augment what was already there. He was already resistant to most vampire weaknesses; they improved it. He could already shapeshift and regenerate; they improved it, ect. He lost his extra souls, and therefore his familiars. His extra souls had nothing to do with anything other than his immortality. All of the Helsing augmentations were done through occult sorcery, so why should they be affected by Alucard's loss of souls? The immortality thing is a moot point anyway; he can't be killed now regardless. As far as the inheriting of Schrodinger's powers goes, tell me what you think of this theory: The major says that a vampire drinking blood is paramount to the vampire combining its life with the life in the blood being drunk. This is further supported by Arthur Helsing's monologue about why he thinks vampires, Alucard especially, are so miserable. That being said, a vampire would absorb everything about that individual in terms of their life; their desires especially were hit upon in Arthur's explanation. Schrodinger's life was defined by his existence in quantum reality; therefore if that was what his life was defined as, when Alucard absorbed him, that was what Alucard's life became as well. Schrodinger's equation is a description of the quantum state of something changes over time, and his cat problem was about how a cat could be, without anything interfering with it's quantum states, dead and alive simultaneously because life and death could be seen as simply different quantum states. Yet if the cat is looked at, all that is seen is either a dead cat or a living one (this was sort of a joke by Schrodinger, he was using it as an example of how odd quantum mechanics can get but we will assume it is true for this case). So when this happened to Alucard, he had to dispose of all of the extra souls inside him that were causing quantum interference (ie not recognizing himself) and thus he was able to finally able to fix himself by returning to a state of being like Schrodinger's with just one soul. Of course this is just a fun theory and it isn't what Schrodinger's equations or cat problem are actually involved with but whatever :) --Muon0 (talk) 00:36, 19 November 2008 (UTC)