Talk:Anatolii Brezvin

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• ... that Anatolii Brezvin began a program to open 60 ice rinks in Ukraine within five years?

• Sources: https://umoloda.kyiv.ua/number/1153/118/41132/ https://lb.ua/sport/2012/09/10/169790_ukraina_provalila_programmu.html

• ALT1: ... that Anatolii Brezvin helped establish a minor ice hockey championship in Ukraine, and sought to open 60 ice rinks? Source: https://www.iihf.com/en/events/2024/wm/static/60880/anatolii_brezvin
• ALT2: ... that Anatolii Brezvin created a women's ice hockey championship in Ukraine, and entered their national team into the IIHF World Women's Championship? Source: https://www.iihf.com/en/events/2024/wm/static/60880/anatolii_brezvin
• Reviewed: Nathaniel Coe and Albert Schädler
• Comment: I volunteer two QPQ credits for one nomination, to help reduce the backlog of nominations without reviews.

Created by Flibirigit (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 156 past nominations.

Flibirigit (talk) 21:52, 11 October 2024 (UTC).

Reviewing...:

• New enough: yes.
• Long enough: more than long enough (very nice!).
• Adequate sourcing: given that most of the sources are in Ukrainian or Russian, I had to use translation tools to verify that the basic facts of the biography are well-sourced.
• Neutral: yes.
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Not sure if closely translating is considered plagiarism or paraphrasing? I'm inclined to accept this as is.
• Hooks cited: yes.
• Hooks interesting: maybe? The original hook could be interesting enough. The two alts don't seem particularly interesting to me compared to the original. But I think the original could be improved by mentioning that the target 60 wasn't reached but I'm unsure if this can fit within the 200 character limit and/or whether this violates WP:DYKHOOKBLP. Basically I'm kinda okay with the original hook but would like to workshop this more. Maybe something like: ... that Anatolii Brezvin began an ambitious program to open 60 ice rinks in Ukraine within five years but only managed to complete 12 and refurbish two? (148 characters).
• QPQ: Both done.

Overall, the article is a very nice addition to Wikipedia, but maybe we could have a better hook? —seav (talk) 22:36, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Expanding ALT0 to include what resulted from the program is not going to entice anyone to click the link, since they already know that he failed. I feel that I identified the three most interesting aspects in the biography and proposed a hook for each. Possible more interesting hooks would be from odd juxtapositions. I will comment further tomorrow. Flibirigit (talk) 17:22, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Here are some other hooks based on odd juxtapositions. I have struck the hook from the reviewer as per my comments above. Flibirigit (talk) 23:43, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

• ALT3: ... that an Honored Economist of Ukraine began a program to open 60 ice rinks within five years?
• ALT4: ... that an Honored Economist of Ukraine helped establish a minor ice hockey championship for his country?
• ALT5: ... that an Honored Economist of Ukraine created a women's ice hockey championship for his country?
• ALT6: ... that a Ukrainian tax administrator began a program to open 60 ice rinks within five years?
• ALT7: ... that a Ukrainian tax administrator helped establish a minor ice hockey championship for his country?
• ALT8: ... that a Ukrainian tax administrator created a women's ice hockey championship for his country?

I'm okay with ALT3 or ALT6 —seav (talk) 05:45, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Requesting a second opinion on all hooks listed above. No detailed rationale was given for six hooks not being approved. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 13:06, 9 November 2024 (UTC)