Talk:Andachtsjodler

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by RoySmith (talk) 15:01, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that the Andachtsjodler is a spiritual yodel from the Christmas mass of the South Tyrol in Austria? Source: Multiple refs in article. eg. Friedrich Haider: Tiroler Volksbrauch im Jahreslauf. 3. Auflage. Tyrolia, Innsbruck/Wien, Athesia, Bozen 1990, ISBN 3-7022-1578-6, p. 441 f.
  • ALT1: ... that the lyrics of the Andachtsjodler, a spiritual yodel from the South Tyrol, are Tjo, tjo i ri, tjo, tjo i ri, tjo tjo ri ri – di, ho e tjo i ri? Source: Multiple refs in article. eg. Google books (Andachtsjodler, p. 25, at Google Books).
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• • Comment: Translated from :de; wiki. Polished by original German author.

Created by Chienlit (talk) and FordPrefect42 (talk). Nominated by Chienlit (talk) at 09:25, 22 October 2022 (UTC).

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General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Chienlit: Good article! Will assume good faith from the offline sources and approve. Onegreatjoke (talk) 13:32, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

• @Chienlit and Onegreatjoke: there are a good many yodels in Austro-German culture – could you tell me what sets this one apart? The hook seems rather routine to me, although I could definitely be missing something... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 01:10, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

I didn't know that stuff and cultural works had to "stand apart". FYI it is both the best that I have ever heard, and the only one that I ... The hook in my head, the reason for researching and translating, was the Youtube of its impact on an Irish pub. Hey ho, it is of no major import if it does or does not make DYK. Chienlit (talk)

I'm a bit confused about the history. It says, "It appeared at the onset of Cecilianism", and Cecilian Movement puts that "in the second half of the 1800s". But, then we've got, "Records state that the song was still sung in 1830", which is 20 years prior to that. So, something doesn't jive. In any case, if the proposed hook isn't interesting, maybe something along the lines of:

ALT2: ... that Andachtsjodler was written around YEAR, largely forgotten, and then rediscovered in YEAR by Berlin high school teacher Max Pohl?

-- RoySmith (talk) 13:50, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

marking while this is sorted out. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 09:25, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

• Chienlit, RoySmith, where does this nomination stand? It's been a month and a half since the ALT2 hook was proposed (but needing the years specified); if it isn't going to fly, then maybe this nomination should close. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:29, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

I think we're waiting on Chienlit to say if they're OK with my suggested ALT2, and if so, so fill in the appropriate years, with citations. And update the article to have the hook statement in it. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:44, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

I've posted another request for Chienlit to return on their talk page. If we haven't heard anything by the end of the year, I'll have to assume they've lost interest and mark this for closure. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:02, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello and apologies for my inaction and the effort it has caused. Unfortunately I have zero knowledge of this subject other than the Google translation shown, so I am unable to help with extra dates and citations for the Alt2 hook. I kind of assumed it would automatically meet an inevitable deadline and inevitably, automatically die. Many thanks. Chienlit (talk) 00:30, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Pinging RoySmith and theleekycauldron to decide how to proceed here. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:14, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

I think we'll take that as a soft withdrawal, honestly. If we gotta be willing to be close more stuff, I'm disinclined to start pinging non-nominators for help. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 05:18, 28 December 2022 (UTC)