Talk:Andromeda in Chinese astronomy

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What is going on here? Surely the Chinese didn't traditionally call these stars "Andromeda"? So why is it the title of the article? Arsia Mons (talk) 02:34, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

The purpose of the "traditional Chinese star name" articles is to place an index of Chinese star names into modern constellations, so the articles are titled under their Western names. Put another way, let's say you wanted to know what ancient Chinese astronomers called the star Alpheratz (α And), this article will tell you its Chinese name(s) and the Chinese constellation (or asterism) it belongs to. From what I can tell, one user created all of these Chinese astronomy-related articles (a huge effort), and English is not his or her first language, so the titles are just a little "off." It probably wouldn't hurt to rename them, but I don't think this is a "factual error" problem in the sense of saying that the ancient Chinese had a constellation named Andromeda. BW95 (talk) 02:12, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

OK, I renamed the article and removed the "Disputed" template. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BW95 (talk • contribs) 06:56, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 6 January 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Clear consensus to move, this is going to take a while... (non-admin closure) Laurdecl ^talk 23:49, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

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• Andromeda (Chinese astronomy) → Andromeda in Chinese astronomy
• Apus (Chinese astronomy) → Apus in Chinese astronomy
• Aquarius (Chinese astronomy) → Aquarius in Chinese astronomy
• Aquila (Chinese astronomy) → Aquila in Chinese astronomy
• Ara (Chinese astronomy) → Ara in Chinese astronomy
• Aries (Chinese astronomy) → Aries in Chinese astronomy
• Auriga (Chinese astronomy) → Auriga in Chinese astronomy
• Boötes (Chinese astronomy) → Boötes in Chinese astronomy
• Camelopardalis (Chinese astronomy) → Camelopardalis in Chinese astronomy
• Cancer (Chinese astronomy) → Cancer in Chinese astronomy
• Canes Venatici (Chinese astronomy) → Canes Venatici in Chinese astronomy
• Canis Major (Chinese astronomy) → Canis Major in Chinese astronomy
• Canis Minor (Chinese astronomy) → Canis Minor in Chinese astronomy
• Capricornus (Chinese astronomy) → Capricornus in Chinese astronomy
• Carina (Chinese astronomy) → Carina in Chinese astronomy
• Cassiopeia (Chinese astronomy) → Cassiopeia in Chinese astronomy
• Centaurus (Chinese astronomy) → Centaurus in Chinese astronomy
• Cepheus (Chinese astronomy) → Cepheus in Chinese astronomy
• Cetus (Chinese astronomy) → Cetus in Chinese astronomy
• Chamaeleon (Chinese astronomy) → Chamaeleon in Chinese astronomy
• Columba (Chinese astronomy) → Columba in Chinese astronomy
• Coma Berenices (Chinese astronomy) → Coma Berenices in Chinese astronomy
• Corona Australis (Chinese astronomy) → Corona Australis in Chinese astronomy
• Corona Borealis (Chinese astronomy) → Corona Borealis in Chinese astronomy
• Corvus (Chinese astronomy) → Corvus in Chinese astronomy
• Crater (Chinese astronomy) → Crater in Chinese astronomy
• Crux (Chinese astronomy) → Crux in Chinese astronomy
• Cygnus (Chinese astronomy) → Cygnus in Chinese astronomy
• Delphinus (Chinese astronomy) → Delphinus in Chinese astronomy
• Dorado (Chinese astronomy) → Dorado in Chinese astronomy
• Draco (Chinese astronomy) → Draco in Chinese astronomy
• Equuleus (Chinese astronomy) → Equuleus in Chinese astronomy
• Eridanus (Chinese astronomy) → Eridanus in Chinese astronomy
• Fornax (Chinese astronomy) → Fornax in Chinese astronomy
• Gemini (Chinese astronomy) → Gemini in Chinese astronomy
• Grus (Chinese astronomy) → Grus in Chinese astronomy
• Hercules (Chinese astronomy) → Hercules in Chinese astronomy
• Hydra (Chinese astronomy) → Hydra in Chinese astronomy
• Hydrus (Chinese astronomy) → Hydrus in Chinese astronomy
• Indus (Chinese astronomy) → Indus in Chinese astronomy
• Lacerta (Chinese astronomy) → Lacerta in Chinese astronomy
• Leo (Chinese astronomy) → Leo in Chinese astronomy
• Leo Minor (Chinese astronomy) → Leo Minor in Chinese astronomy
• Lepus (Chinese astronomy) → Lepus in Chinese astronomy
• Libra (Chinese astronomy) → Libra in Chinese astronomy
• Lupus (Chinese astronomy) → Lupus in Chinese astronomy
• Lynx (Chinese astronomy) → Lynx in Chinese astronomy
• Lyra (Chinese astronomy) → Lyra in Chinese astronomy
• Microscopium (Chinese astronomy) → Microscopium in Chinese astronomy
• Monoceros (Chinese astronomy) → Monoceros in Chinese astronomy
• Musca (Chinese astronomy) → Musca in Chinese astronomy
• Octans (Chinese astronomy) → Octans in Chinese astronomy
• Ophiuchus (Chinese astronomy) → Ophiuchus in Chinese astronomy
• Orion (Chinese astronomy) → Orion in Chinese astronomy
• Pavo (Chinese astronomy) → Pavo in Chinese astronomy
• Pegasus (Chinese astronomy) → Pegasus in Chinese astronomy
• Perseus (Chinese astronomy) → Perseus in Chinese astronomy
• Phoenix (Chinese astronomy) → Phoenix in Chinese astronomy
• Pisces (Chinese astronomy) → Pisces in Chinese astronomy
• Piscis Austrinus (Chinese astronomy) → Piscis Austrinus in Chinese astronomy
• Puppis (Chinese astronomy) → Puppis in Chinese astronomy
• Pyxis (Chinese astronomy) → Pyxis in Chinese astronomy
• Reticulum (Chinese astronomy) → Reticulum in Chinese astronomy
• Sagitta (Chinese astronomy) → Sagitta in Chinese astronomy
• Sagittarius (Chinese astronomy) → Sagittarius in Chinese astronomy
• Scorpius (Chinese astronomy) → Scorpius in Chinese astronomy
• Sculptor (Chinese astronomy) → Sculptor in Chinese astronomy
• Scutum (Chinese astronomy) → Scutum in Chinese astronomy
• Serpens (Chinese astronomy) → Serpens in Chinese astronomy
• Sextans (Chinese astronomy) → Sextans in Chinese astronomy
• Taurus (Chinese astronomy) → Taurus in Chinese astronomy
• Telescopium (Chinese astronomy) → Telescopium in Chinese astronomy
• Triangulum (Chinese astronomy) → Triangulum in Chinese astronomy
• Triangulum Australe (Chinese astronomy) → Triangulum Australe in Chinese astronomy
• Tucana (Chinese astronomy) → Tucana in Chinese astronomy
• Ursa Major (Chinese astronomy) → Ursa Major in Chinese astronomy
• Ursa Minor (Chinese astronomy) → Ursa Minor in Chinese astronomy
• Vela (Chinese astronomy) → Vela in Chinese astronomy
• Virgo (Chinese astronomy) → Virgo in Chinese astronomy
• Volans (Chinese astronomy) → Volans in Chinese astronomy

– As the move history (and discussion on at least one talk page) indicates, the naming of these constellation articles is problematic. However, I would suggest that "NAME in Chinese astronomy" (apparently rejected in the past) better captures the purpose of the articles, namely, to list traditional Chinese star/asterism names that correspond to the modern IAU constellations. Per WP:TITLE/WP:ATDAB, parentheses in article titles are for "adding a disambiguating term". That is not what is happening here; "Andromeda" (for example) is not a concept in Chinese astronomy that needs disambiguating, it is a concept in astronomy that has an article relating it to Chinese astronomy.

I have listed this as a potentially controversial move, because quite apart from the evident history of disagreement over naming, renaming 80 articles has the potential to be disruptive even though none of the articles is particularly prominent. As the list above shows, six of these articles have already existed and been moved (or at least, redirects exist) to the "NAME (Chinese astronomy)" forms, so I would also need technical assistance in completing this move even were it uncontroversial.

It is also worth noting (at least for my own reference, or the reference of anyone who wants to complete the set once a naming convention is agreed) that there are eight IAU constellations that don't appear to have Chinese-astronomy articles: Antlia, Caelum, Circinus, Horologium (constellation), Mensa (constellation), Norma (constellation), Pictor, and Vulpecula.

-- Perey (talk) 11:58, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Andromeda (Chinese astronomy) would make sense if somehow this was referring to a different concept also called Andromeda but that was something else. Andromeda in Chinese astronomy makes it more clear that it's referring to the same Andromeda as elsewhere. SnowFire (talk) 23:34, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
• Support per reasonable rationale, unless someone talks me out of it. Dicklyon (talk) 06:32, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
• Support – Those are indeed not dabs, and the proposed titles are accurate wrt article contents. — JFG ^talk 11:44, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
• Comment – Sorry, the reason my bot marked this as a malformed request was not obvious. I've updated the bot code so that it now reports:

  Ursa Minor (Chinese astronomy) redirects to Ursa Minor

  We generally don't move redirects. This would have been a more obvious issue if this was a request to move a single page; here the problem was obscured by many correctly-formed requests.

  However in this case, the page has history, which was merged: Ursa Minor (Chinese astronomy), before merge. So moving it to move the history may be valid. Comments on this type of situation are solicited. See also User talk:RMCD bot#Really old move discussion notification - bug? – wbm1058 (talk) 15:04, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

• Support per nomination, SnowFire, Dicklyon and JFG. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 18:38, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

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