Talk:Anna Vasa of Sweden

Princess of Finland

The title is wrong. There was no such thing a Princess of Finland- Finland was a part of Sweden, and she was a Swedish Princess.--85.226.235.206 (talk) 09:36, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

That is true. The title is changed.--Aciram (talk) 17:16, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Obscure black&white image

I have reverted an image added to the top of questionable ID: a women with an eagle having down from her neck (no heraldic relevance). The top image has long been associated with this Anna in Poland & her staue was modeled on it. It also closely resembles her grave effigy. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:56, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Added again (with Facebook as reference!) and reverted again. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 18:53, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

There is a clear explanation therein, hence no reason to claim that it is not reliable, just because it's Facebook! What's more there is a another reference to generally accepted source (Nationalmuseum in Stockholm), where the image that you claim to be associated with Anna Vasa, depicts unknown woman. Don't hamper development and obscure reliable sources! Artinpl1 (talk) 20:50, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

The image which the National Museum does not choose to identify specifically (that's not unusual) is used in several respected books by academics, e.g by Lars W Ericson (p. 318), Dr. Ulf Sundberg (p. 63) and Dr. David Norrman (p. 128h). All the museum has done is decline to identify. That does not mean they have said it is not Anna. A reliable source has still not beem provided for the claim that the b&w with that eagle is her. Where is it from? A genealogy blog? In any case, we are supposed to discuss before we make considerable changes to any article. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 21:33, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Furthermore, "Possibly the most accurate effigy bearing a strong resemblance in features to those of her mother." is quite confusing (see images). --SergeWoodzing (talk) 22:29, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

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  Image in books mentioned
• Image in question here
  Image in question here
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  Anna's mother
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  Anna's stepmother
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  Princess Anna is clearly identified on the museum's frame sign at Gripsholm

Clearly you have no reliable knowledge of this at all, hence this aggressive warring, and referring to not up-to-date sources. Most of art historians now agree that is very doubtful that the image that you are trying to force out, is Anna Vasa and depicts an unknown woman, which is also reflected on museum’s website. Young woman dressed according to French/Swedish fashion from 1630s and painted in style of a painter active from 1622 in Sweden (J.H. Elbfas) could not at any point be reliable effigy of this historical figure (residing from 1598 in PLC and died in 1625). Artinpl1 (talk) 16:15, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Again: Facebook is not an acceptable source. As long as Facebook is the only source, that image must be removed. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 22:06, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Third opinion

It is correct that Facebook cannot be a reliable source. An actual editorially controlled or peer-reviewed source would be required once something is challenged for no or poor referencing. If no better source than Facebook can be provided, the challenge succeeds. The burden falls on the editor who wishes to include material to provide sufficient sourcing to support it, and Facebook is not enough. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 22:03, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

And now I note that even the caption said "most probably". That does not go. We do not guess at things based on our own impressions, but instead stick only to what reliable sources confirm. "Most probably", based on an editor's interpretation and a Facebook page, does not even begin to cut it. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 22:07, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! I will now remove the black & white image due to the lack of a reliable source and hope that this is settled once and for all. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 08:06, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Why the source to Nationalmuseum was removed? it's not reliable as well? For me this is only the proof how harmful you are with your lack of knowledge on this matter and conservative approach. Artinpl1 (talk) 07:47, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

The Flickr source used now is not reliable either. Please do not add the image again unless you can cite a reliable source which is accaptable to Wikipedia. And please: no more personal attacks! --SergeWoodzing (talk) 14:25, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

I am signing my own research with my name, this should be sufficient, no matter where published. All sources cited by you are unreliable, unverifiable and not up to date and below is the best summary of your activity here:

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  Portrait of unknown woman, called Anna Princess of Sweden (Okänd kvinna kallad Anna prinsessa av Sverige) according to museum website [1]
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  Princess Anna according to Lars W Ericson :-) FB is at least verifiable and up to date source in this case (including newest and signed research). artinpl

Artinpl1 (talk) 16:34, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Princess of Poland?

I have removed info in the lead of this article giving Anna as a princess of Poland, not only of Sweden. I have found no source to confirm that she was ever created a princess of Poland. If one can be found, the item can be reinstated. SergeWoodzing (talk) 10:51, 30 July 2023 (UTC)