Talk:Ba'athist Syria

Government section

Should the government section from the Syria article be adapted for this article? EchoLuminary (talk) 04:52, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

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Also should be added to goverment section of syria 182.18.198.169 (talk) 07:07, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Article move

This article is ridiculously prematurely moved. I am not pro-Assad in any shape or form but comparing this to the capture of Afghanistan by the Taliban, this is ridiculously premature. First of all the former took a few days for everyone to fathom and understand, second of all, Syria is not a former state up to 2024. Parts of the nation still remain under government control, like Latakia.

Second of all, it is simply silly to present Syria as a neutral country with a vacant presidency. As of right now the very concept of a President is empty in Syria, which is split three-ways not counting Israeli annexed lands in the southwest. Why is Syria presented as an empty unified state waiting for a leader?

The article for Assad's Syria should remain without Assad, for now, until the situation becomes clearer. This is trigger happy moderation. 145.40.150.167 (talk) 07:12, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not the United Nations. We have to display the reality. Beshogur (talk) 10:59, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

This is not reality but the biased Western POV. GreatLeader1945 ^TALK 11:03, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Biased western POV? The Assad government has fallen, there is no Syrian Arab Republic anymore. Look up at the Afghanistan example. Beshogur (talk) 11:26, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Hard to call this a Western POV. The government is no more, rebels know what they have, and right now they have little resistance. What happens in the following weeks/months, edits and changes may happen, but there is no more Syrian Republic. CalicoTC (talk) 17:00, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 8 December 2024

Ba'athist Syria → Syrian Arab Republic – Similar to the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan. Unles rebels use the same name, there is one "Syrian Arab Republic" not two, I don't see a reason Ba'athist Syria to stay in place. For Ba'athist Iraq, It was called "Republic of Iraq", while today's Iraqi government is still Republic of Iraq. Beshogur (talk) 10:58, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Can people provide some evidence that Ba'athist Syria is a more common name than the Syrian Arab Republic instead of supporting eachother. Second Syrian Republic having the name for 2 years doesn't change the fact that this is WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. This redirect "Syrian Arab Republic" redirects here. For the state that was known as the Syrian Arab Republic from 1961 to 1963, see Second Syrian Republic. added above is enough. If we talk about the Syrian Arab Republic, 99,99% will be about this one, not the state between 1961-1963. Beshogur (talk) 19:15, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Pageviews of both titles Despite this being the page title, Ba'athist Syria only had 2 days more pageviews, which shows us "Syrian Arab Republic" being the commonname. I don't even who came with this idea. It is a unilateral move without asking anyone. Beshogur (talk) 23:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support; the Ba'athist Iraq page has the added context that it was covering a state that had two distinct names throughout its history (Iraqi Republic and Republic of Iraq). Ba'athist Party-controlled Syria was only ever called the 'Syrian Arab Republic' and hence has no reason to be named otherwise... unless 'Ba'athist Syria' is the clear WP:COMMONNAME (for which I don't really have a reason to believe). Loytra (talk) 11:31, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Wait - Clarification is needed and we need to see what the official title of the next Syrian Republic will be. If it continues to be "Syrian Arab Republic" this move would not make much sense. DerEchteJoan (talk) 11:46, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support per Loytra. A Socialist Trans Girl 11:54, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support the reason Baathist Iraq is called as such in its Wikipedia page is because the name it officially used was “Iraqi republic” or “republic of Iraq” which is the same as the modern day entity. As for Syria, “Syrian Arab republic” is a more distinct name for the Baathist regim e The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 12:06, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - Syria has bore that name since 1961, before the Ba'athist coup. Maybe we could rename this page to "Syrian Arab Republic" and create a seperate "Syrian Arab Republic (United Arab Republic)" article, but we don't even yet know if the country's official long-form name will change or not, so too early for any measure like that, I think. Pescavelho (talk) 12:11, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

You might be right about that, I forgot that. But still WP:PRIMARYTOPIC would apply here. Ba'athis Syria isn't used much anywhere. Maybe in future. Beshogur (talk) 12:17, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

I agree with Pescavelho for the same reasons that they provide 2204happy (talk) 16:04, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - The name "Syrian Arab Republic" is the name given after the separation from Egypt. It is not as reflective as "Ba'athist Syria" of the Ba'athist regime's rule over Syria, and quite a few news reports use the Ba'athist regime to refer to Syria at this time. Manilano12 (talk) 12:18, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

It's 2 years vs 61 years. Beshogur (talk) 12:19, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gLcQYkYAbiQ used Ba'athist Manilano12 (talk) 12:20, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Come on. We use mainstream media. Not youtube. Also I never says no one uses it. Beshogur (talk) 12:49, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

My memory failed me and I for some reason thought that 1963 was when Syria left the UAR. In that case, it depends entirely or whether it's decided that the 1961-1963 period better fits in the page about the Second Syrian Republic (1950-1958) or the one about Ba'athist Syria (1963-2024). Assuming we decide on the latter, and the new government in Syria does in fact ditch the "Syrian Arab Republic" name, then this page could be renamed. Pescavelho (talk) 12:52, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

• Wait - per DerEchteJoan ManU9827 (talk) 12:37, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - Most people will simply know this Syrian regime as either Ba’athist Syria or Assadist Syria, not the Syrian Arab Republic. It should be kept for simplicity, distinction, and ease of search. AtomicCrescentRoll (talk) 12:38, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support/Wait "Ba'athist Syria" sounds like it's the political system in Syria, rather than the Syrian state itself. So I support a name change to "Syrian Arab Republic" as long as the new name isn't that. If it is that than "Syrian Arab Republic (1963-2024)" would be a better option. End of the day, anything is going to be a better option than the current choice. Basetornado (talk) 12:40, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

  • Support/Wait per Basetornado Executive20000 (talk) 23:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

• Wait - The current interim government has not adopted a new name. Until (or if) a new name is adopted, I don't think it would be appropriate to rename. Andronikos Palaiologos (talk) 13:02, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - As per reasons given my Manilo12. It should be noted that the article name for Iraq under Saddam Hussein is Ba'athist Iraq. Durraz0 (talk) 13:22, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• WaitAs the previous argument, we ought to wait first to see what will be the Opposition's new plans, including the official name of the country.LordLoko (talk) 13:23, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support, Syrian Arab Republic due to it being not only the WP:Commonname but the WP:Officialname. Whatever name the new Syrian state takes has no bearing on this — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bejakyo (talk • contribs) 13:36, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

There have been two Ba'athist states, Iraq and Syria. The article about Iraq under Ba'athism is titled Ba'athist Iraq, so I think this article should remain titled "Ba'athist Syria" Ironzombie39 (talk) 13:51, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - "Syrian Arab Republic" predates Ba'athist Syria.
  

i) "Syrian Arab Republic" was the name of the democratic parliamentary Syrian republic that seceded from the United Arab Republic. Ba'athist Syria was a one-party dictatorship established in 1963 after overthrowing the original government of Syrian Arab Republic through a military coup. Hence, the proposed title is extremely inaccurate.

ii) Furthermore, Ba'ath party's state in Iraq is titled as "Ba'athist Iraq" in wikipedia. Titling Ba'ath party's state in Syria as something other than Ba'athist Syria would be inconsistent and confuse the readers. The title "Ba'athist Syria" is also shorter and more concise than the proposed title.

iii) Also, Assad regime was anything but a "republic". It was a monarchy. The proposed title absolutely gives off Assadist POV vibes.

Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 13:54, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose — not a very specific name and 'Ba'athist' represents the state better than 'Arab Republic' does. —TwinBoo (talk) 14:13, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment - I believe that it is time to close this discussion and move on to making a direct state successor to the old government. Does anyone agree? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.21.104.67 (talk) 14:41, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose It is far too early to say what the WP:COMMONNAME for the now-fallen Syrian state will be. It is not accurate to say WP:RS use the term Syrian Arab Republic markedly more than they reference “the Ba’athist state” or the “Assad regime” in referencing the now-fallen government. There has been no reason for them to adopt a convention when, until now, it has just been fair game to refer to “Syria.” We should defer to reliable sources and take a wait and see approach. The current name is fine for the time being, and there’s no strong case for changing it (adopting a particular position) yet when we really just have no clue at this time all of the factors this is contingent on. -- ExParte ^talk 14:44, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose you don't call Ba'athist Iraq the "Republic of Iraq" Scuba 15:09, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per the already existing and related example of Ba'athist Iraq. — Sundostund mppria ^{(talk / contribs)} 15:50, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Per Scu ba, and Syria is still technically an "Arab Republic". Ecrusized (talk) 16:01, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

  No it's not. Arab Republic is part of the official name, there is a difference between an Arab republic and the Arab Republic. (eg. Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus) Beshogur (talk) 19:08, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose — proposed name would inaccurately represent the scope of the article, as it does not include the period during which the Second Syrian Republic was known as the Syrian Arab Republic. 2018rebel 16:03, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Note: WikiProject Assyria, WikiProject Countries, WikiProject Arab world, WikiProject Western Asia, WikiProject Syria, WikiProject Kurdistan, and WikiProject Asia have been notified of this discussion. Feeglgeef (talk) 16:15, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose as the Syrian state bore that name from 1961, predating Ba'athist rule that began in 1963. Eyesnore ^talk💬 16:39, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Ba'athist Syria is a good way to define this era of Syrian politics. Plus, as others have mentioned, we don't know what the new name of Syria will be until HTS or some other interim group makes a statement. KeysofDreams (talk) 16:44, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Wait until the new government is formed and see if it still calls itself the "Syrian Arab Republic". If so, then I would oppose. NateNate60 (talk) 17:17, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Wait/Support as DerEchteJoan said, we should wait to see if the next regime calls itself the Syrian Arab Republic. If it does not, then I believe Syrian Arab Republic would be an appropriate name for this article. GramCanMineAway (talk) 18:53, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Strongly Support as there is no merit to the current name, basically no one has ever used it. Rares Kosa (talk) 21:04, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose: There will be a very clear cut difference between Ba'athist Syria and the upcoming situation no matter what happens next. Fantastic Mr. Fox (talk) 21:20, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Wait, events are unfolding rapidly, and we cannot predict how things will fall in the political and popular spheres. It could be this long era in Syrian history becomes commonly known as Ba'athist Syria to the wider world, or maybe "Assadist Syria", due to the heavy connotation the Assad Dynasty has in the minds of people for this era, or maybe it'll be known as the SAB. Maybe the new government will keep the name, maybe they won't. The point being, we don't know even what the successor state to this will be comprised of, much less the name, thus making it premature of us to jump to "Syrian Arab Republic". I say wait a while, the name Ba'athist Syria can stand as placeholder that's sufficient for now. JarlJberk (talk) 21:54, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Wait until a WP:COMMONNAME develops from reliable sources to refer to this period. Windfarmer — talk 22:00, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• wait until further information about government. Great achievement (talk) 22:14, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - For the reasons set out above. SW1APolitico (talk) 22:48, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose and keep existing redirect – Ba'athist Syria uniquely describes the Assad regime, whereas the Second Syrian Republic was also called the SAR for two years completely independent of the Assad regime. That being said, it's clear that Ba'athist Syria is a WP:PRIMARY when talking about the SAR, so the redirect should stay as is currently. If, as hypothesized by DerEchteJoan, the incoming regime officially calls itself the SAR, then it can redirect to Syria and disambiguate to 'Ba'athist regime' and 'Second Syrian Republic'. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 00:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - The page for Nazi Germany is called "Nazi Germany" and not "German Reich" or "Greater German Reich" despite the latter two being the official names of Germany during Nazi rule. ViviTheWorm (talk) 00:53, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

  “German Reich” was Germany’s official name from 1871 to 1949 including under regimes that lasted longer Nazi Germany such as the Weimar Republic and the German empire The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 15:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

• Wait. We don't actually know if the new regime will change the state's name or not. I would be fine with changing the title of this article to "Syrian Arab Republic" if they change the name of Syria; but it's possible (albeit, imo, unlikely) they could retain the name. 24.151.14.67 (talk) 01:39, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per TheTechnician27. Charles Essie (talk) 02:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per points of TheTechnician27. Hujjat al-Umari (talk) 04:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose as per above. Rushtheeditor (talk) 04:55, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• If I can throw my two cents here, I'll say oppose and wait, largely because of the points already raised. The regime collapsed very recently and it's still possible (yet admittedly unlikely) that whatever government forms in Syria next is also named the "Syrian Arab Republic". Of course article titles structured "(ideology) (country)" are rather rare here and the official name is often preferred (e.g. Polish People's Republic instead of Communist Poland) but I think the current title is appropiate and reflects what most people will be looking for at least in the short term. Lazesusdasiru (talk) 04:56, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• Wait: Per DerEchteJoan and Windfarmer1799 EarthDude (talk) 05:25, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Per Shadowwarrior8. --Plumber (talk) 06:08, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:CONCISE Abo Yemen✉ 06:53, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Ba'athist Syria describes the Assad regime in a appropriate manner. Zyxrq (talk) 07:55, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Ba'athist Syria is more reflective of its ideology and politics. OwlCityzen (talk) 10:25, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: the name "Syrian Arab Republic" is too broad given its name predated the Baathist coup and the rise of Assad dynasty. It should be used to reflect the era only. HiddenFace101 (talk) 14:25, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Shadowwarrior8. Delukiel (talk) 15:02, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose and wait As pointed out above, it is unclear what official name the new administration will use for the country, and ideally, given this is a history article, we could wait until some sources pop up on this period of Syrian history and what name they mostly employ for this state. Aintabli (talk) 17:05, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose strongly – "Syrian Arab Republic" predates the Ba'thist coup. On top of that, "Ba'thist Syria" is more recognizable, natural, concise, precise and consistent with other articles, per WP:Criteria. SyrHist (talk) 17:38, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Comment Possibly a separate issue: should we respell "Ba'ath" to either "Baath", "Baʻath" or "Baʻth"? The "straight" apostrophe is ambiguous, most Arab romanization systems use apostrophes to represent both ء hamza and ع ayin with the different directions differentiating between the two (ʼ vs. ʻ). In my view we either transliterate more narrowly or we get rid of the apostrophe that's not really doing anything in there. Pescavelho (talk) 20:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this up. The strict transliteration here would be Baʻthist, while the loose transcription in English is traditionally written as Baathist (compare زَعْتَر zaʻtar vs. zaatar, بَعْل Baʻl vs. Baal, بَعْلَبَكّ Baʻlabakk vs. Baalbeck, سَعْد Saʻd vs. Saad, سَعْدِيّ Saʻdī vs. Saadi, سَعْدَاوِيّ Saʻdāwī vs. Saadawi etc.). I don't know why Wikipedia insists on using "Ba'athist", which is neither a strict transliteration nor as common as "Baathist". SyrHist (talk) 10:03, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, besides being ambiguous, the apostrophe is also a hyperforeignism, as the second ⟨a⟩ is already standing for ع. Pescavelho (talk) 13:01, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

You’re absolutely right! It’s really a shame to see it all over the encyclopedia. I saw that someone requested a few years ago (I don’t remember on which talk page) to move all the pages related to the party and the ideology in order to fix it, but it didn’t get enough support. I don’t think the participants understood the reasons for the request! SyrHist (talk) 14:06, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose/Wait: As others have said, it's way too soon to know, and this arguably just creates ambiguity given the name predates the 1963 coup. --AntiDionysius (talk) 23:43, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

  Wait until we know whether or not the new government officially renames the country. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 00:01, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Having the rebels also call their government "Syrian Arab Republic" makes it confusing and would require disambiguation if the title is changed. Ba'athist Syria sounds a lot better in distinguishing the two governments. Rager7 (talk) 00:09, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Support Unless if the Syrian opposition is still going to use the name "Syrian Arab Republic", I think it should be changed. Hankow idk (talk) 01:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Support - for the same reason as Hankow GameCreepr (talk) 02:34, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

• Wait For the same reason as Loytra; better to wait until (or if) the new Syrian government adopts a new name. Changing the title to "Syrian Arab Republic" now would be jumping the gun.

Republic Ball (talk) 03:00, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Support - Good argument. Not much to add. PLMandarynka (talk) 06:49, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support per above arguments. Most of the above "oppose" arguments seem to be completely baseless and give no regard to Wikipedia naming policies. PadFoot (talk) 08:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  Neither the nom is per any wikipedia policy but rather the preference of the nominator. I have cited WP:CONCISE for my opposition above Abo Yemen✉ 10:31, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  WP:COMMONNAME (the primary naming criteria) supports the move target per ngrams [1]. "Ba'athist Syria" has miserably low usage, almost negligible usage, in sources as compared to "Syrian Arab Republic". The "oppose" arguments above violate multiple naming policies. The Iraq argument above violates WP:OTHERCONTENT and is not anything related to WP:CONCISE. However, if the new Damascus government decides on keeping the name, then of course, this article should be moved back to "Ba'athist Syria" or an alternate common name. PadFoot (talk) 15:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  Common name doesnt even matter if it is false and imprecise. Syrian Arab Republic predates the Ba'athist Syrian state.

  The proposed title implies that the Ba'athist Syrian one-party state represents the democratic parliamentary republic of "Syrian Arab Republic" established in 1961. Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 16:19, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  And you, sir, are no one to decide whether a name is false and improper. The name was the officially recognised name of the government in concern and is the most common name used by sources. PadFoot (talk) 16:26, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  The "oppose" arguments above violate multiple naming policies.
  RMs are for us to discuss which policy should be used. We aren't supposed to follow all policies as its impossible + RMs would be pointless Abo Yemen✉ 16:25, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  Let me be more clear, the oppose arguments simply follow no policies at all and violate multiple ones, while the support argument does follow the chief naming policy. PadFoot (talk) 16:28, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  Syrian Arab Republic predates the Ba'athist Syrian state 2 years vs 61 years. In fact another government named the same doesn't change the fact that this Syrian Arab Republic is the main topic. Beshogur (talk) 19:07, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  Syrian Arab Republic predates the Ba'athist Syrian state
  I never said that for you to quote me on it Abo Yemen✉ 06:08, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

  Clicked wrong, answer was to User:Shadowwarrior8. Beshogur (talk) 09:12, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

  The title indicates what the article is about and distinguishes it from other articles.

  This page is exclusively regarding the Ba'athist Syrian state which had a radically different socio-political order from that of the Syrian Arab Republic (1961-163) of the Second Syrian Republic.

  Source: "Syria, the Strength of an Idea: The Constitutional Architectures of Its Political Regimes" (2018), p. 252, Publisher: Cambridge University Press, Author: Karim Atassi, isbn: 978-1-107-18360-5

  • "The year 1963 resembled the year 1949 in Syria’s history. In many respects, the two dates marked radical breaks in the country’s political history. The year 1949 saw the fall of the First Republic and the lasting incursion of the military into politics; 1963 saw the fall of the Second Republic and the equally long-lasting accession to power of the Ba’th Party."

  The entire political class which supported the seperation of Syria from United Arab Republic were was purged, liquidated and dismantled by the Ba'athists. This was in addition to purging of the Syrian military and its subordination to the Arab Socialist Ba'ath party.

  Moreover, the Syrian Arab Republic (1961-63) was a parliamentary multi-party democracy which had the green, white and black stripes flag of the First Syrian Republic. Ba'athist Syria's flag was the flag of the United Arab Republic.

  Also, the proposed title is heavily inconsistent. The post-colonial era Syrian states are all described by names such as "First Syrian Republic", "Second Syrian Republic", "Ba'athist Syria", etc. and not by their official names in wikipedia.

  This is apart from the fact that the proposed title is also inconcise, which opens up a whole lot of problems in other pages related to Ba'athist Syria. Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 17:28, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per above comments DeadlyRampage26 (talk) 09:52, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per above, as well as how Baathist Iraq's title is. Cutlass^Ciera 15:01, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support, per earlier arguments. (talk) 15:52, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  Ah, the invisible man, here in Wikipedia! Just kidding, @Otapka, your signature is missing your name it appears. PadFoot (talk) 16:31, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Between 1961 and 1963, the country was known as the Syrian Arab Republic, and the Ba'ath Party had not yet come to power. This article focuses solely on the period following the Ba'ath Party's rise to power. Valorthal77 (talk) 19:33, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per previous arguments. Iraq's predecessor is also called "Ba'athist Iraq" Moreover as mentioned earlier the Syrian Arab Republic predated Ba'athist Syria AsaQuathern (talk) 21:07, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support, per earlier arguments. As of now, this entity is what is primarily referred to as the Syrian Arab Republic over the preceding relatively short-lived political entity, fulfilling WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. As per WP:COMMONNAME, apart from just "Syria", the "Syrian Arab Republic" is by far the most common name for this entity, not Ba'athist Syria. On top of all that, it is also the WP:OFFICIALNAME commonly used in international organisations and documents. If the new administration does not call themselves the Syrian Arab Republic, I wholeheartedly support this move. Zinderboff (talk) 22:24, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Oppose, "Syrian Arab Republic" was already the name of Syria from 1961-1963 before the Ba'athists took power. Qbingcow (talk) 01:30, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Oppose — Firstly, the name is inaccurate, as others have mentioned. Also, it is probable that the new state will also be called the Syrian Arab Republic. Calling this article "Syrian Arab Republic" would also be inconsistent with other articles about a period of a country's history marked by a specific regime. Examples include Ba'athist Iraq, Nazi Germany, Pahlavi Iran, Qajar Iran and Fascist Italy. These articles are named the country's name with an adjective at the beginning, not the official name of the state. Cyrobyte (talk) 04:21, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Wait – if the name of the new state is the same as the old state, it would be inaccuate. Until "Syria" has an official name, it should continue with its current name DimensionalFusion (talk · she/her) 13:40, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Oppose, name would be misleading because the name was used before the Ba'athist takeover too, that and Ba'athist Syria works better considering Iraq is named the same. --Dynamo128 (talk) 18:42, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Oppose - per all above. Additionally, the Syrian Transitional Government has thus far indicated a retention of the full name of Syrian Arab Republic including in it's symbols, as per https://pministry.gov.sy/pcm/img/logo_syria.png . The rename would encompass three different regimes, while 'Ba'athist Syria' is clear in indicating the Ba'ath governments of Syria. Hillströms (talk) 23:55, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Flag?

Or is it too early? 125.161.35.92 (talk) 11:03, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Isn't the Red flag used during the Assads? So it should be used here if this article represena the regime. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 13:30, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

I think you might be looking for Talk:Syria, where strong consensus has formed among experienced editors not to include a flag until there's some sort of official announcement from the incoming or outgoing governments. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 00:20, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

No, the person asked whether this article should use the ba'athist flag or not, so I said this article should used that flag because it was used in the ba'athist Syria. I know there is a discussion in Syria article. Thanks. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 14:02, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Islamic State as a sucessor?

the islamic state still has a presence in eastern syria but no tangible territory left. should it be removed or replaced with "other groups" to show the various factions which dont hold any territory but are still present or just left as it is? ManU9827 (talk) 12:45, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

I removed it, successor states should be states, as in they control territory. Cutlass^Ciera 14:56, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

A successor state is a state (or state-like entity) that controls the former territory of another state. If ISIS doesn't control any significant Syrian territory then I would not regard it as a successor state on the latter requirement (bypassing the argument of whether it is a state). NateNate60 (talk) 17:20, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Please point to a piece of territory ISIS controls. Scuba 18:45, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

ISIL could be potentially put under both "Successor" and "Predecessor" columns, perhaps with italics to indicate it was unrecognized nature when it controlled substantial portions of territory. Fantastic Mr. Fox (talk) 21:25, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Should we add "Vacant (Rump state)" to the list of the Presidents?

I mean Assad fled, but the Syrian Arab Republic (Ba'athist Syria) still exists, even it's only a rump state and a "leader" of this rump state is unknown and probably doesn't exist. What do you all think about that? 77.13.90.7 (talk) 15:32, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

The word vacant already is listed on the President of Syria page. I don’t believe we need a second place for the word to be used. Unless otherwise as the situation changes. 2620:6D:C000:1001:998:9E3B:C426:265B (talk) 15:42, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

I understand what you mean, but I think it should added, because the vacant in the page of the President in Syria is there because the Transitional Government took over and doesn't has a President. 77.13.90.7 (talk) 16:02, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

The transitional government does have a leader though, Mohammad Ghazi al-Jalali. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 23:31, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

The HST has been very keen on preserving state institutions, and have declared their intention for Syria to be a normal state. What they'll name it remains to be seen. kencf0618 (talk) 03:19, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Should the Dialing code and internet TLD be removed

Should the Dialing code and internet TLD be removed now that the country has fallen and there are now the new regime? Popscurling (talk) 15:42, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

No, as long as they were in use while the country hadn't fallen Rares Kosa (talk) 21:05, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Adding under "Today Part Of"

Given the occupation and de facto annexation of most of Golan Heights, I think it would make sense to to add under "Today Part of" the text: Israel (de facto) or some variation of such. 24.151.14.67 (talk) 01:48, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Economy

Baathist Iraq has an Economy section so why not this one? Mayukh Mitra 123 (talk) 10:17, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Nobody wrote one yet. Koopinator (talk) 20:06, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Sectarian regime

The state operated under a sectarian system dominated by the Alawite sect, which provoked frustration among the majority population. Key decision-making roles, along with control over the army and intelligence services, were largely concentrated in the hands of Alawites. This point needs to be explicitly acknowledged. Valorthal77 (talk) 19:28, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Coat of arms

idk how to change them so I'd ask someone of you haha. The coat of arms is wrong (with this green colour of the new government. In the article about history of Syrian emblems there's their old one, so it won't be a problem to change it, i just don't know how to do this. Thanks!!! Aeldare (talk) 22:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

@Aeldare Great catch, just fixed it. Zinderboff (talk) 22:42, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Syrian Arabic Republic

I noticed that the Syrian government website uses this name too. [2] Just searched, and it appears a a lot. Thoughts of inclusion like Also known as the Syrian Arabic Republic with a note.

• UN The Government of the Syrian Arabic Republic
• Brazil MFA Syrian Arabic Republic
• Russia MFA The situation in the Syrian Arabic republic

It seems like a bad translation, but worthy to include. Beshogur (talk) 14:01, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

I agree that the "Syrian Arab Republic" redirect should direct towards Syria page, and not this one. – Anwon (talk) 22:33, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

That's not what I asked? Also that's absurd. Beshogur (talk) 22:36, 11 December 2024 (UTC)