Talk:Buddhism, the Fulfilment of Hinduism

Reasons For Deletion

This article is the personal opinion of one man. Since when does Wikipedia publish person opinions with no basis in fact?

His premise is false.

Buddhists do not worship any deity. Buddhism is a science of mind training, not a religion. Shakyamuni Buddha was a man, not a god, who, after six years of constant meditation, realized full awakening mind, enlightenment. His is a master whose only goal is to create other masters. He laid out the path of what he did to reach enlightenment and wants only to help others to do what he did. Buddhism has nothing to do with Hinduism, as claimed. During his lifetime, the Vedic period of northeast India was synthesizing with the western Ganges plain. The word 'Hindu' came into being long after, derived from the religious practices of those living in the northern Indus river valley, merged with what was brought by traders from Egypt, Mesopotamia, Judea.

For example, Brahmanism embraced an independent, unitary, eternal, and unchanging self; Buddha recognized the dependent origination of all things, not just in terms of causes and conditions, but also, dependent designation, the inter-relatedness of concepts and their understanding.

If you want to know about Buddhism, go ask the Dalai Lama, not some nineteenth-century Hindu monk.

Hpfeil (talk) 20:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

This article violates WP:NPOV

The speech is not a Neutral Point of View. What is the basis for falsely asserting a relationship between Buddhism and Hinduism? Fact: Shakyamuni Buddha was NOT a Hindu. Fact: Buddhism did not disappear from India. There are monasteries that can trace their lineage thousands of years. Either this monk intentionally lied or he presented facts not in evidence.

Where is the full text of this alleged speech? Why is it not referenced so we can compare it with this author's opinion? https://belurmath.org/swami-vivekananda-speeches-at-the-parliament-of-religions-chicago-1893/#Buddhism-the-fulfillment-of-Hinduism

"in the case of Buddha, it was his own followers who did not realize the import of his teachings." This statement is false and prejudicial. In the First Turning of the Wheel, his companions who were with him during most of his 6-years of asceticism and constant meditation, fully understood his teaching, they became fully ordained at the time. His personal attendant, Ananda, developed powers of recollection such that he memorized each of Buddha's Wisdom sutras in their entirety and recited them at the Great Conference after his death. Passed down through generations of monks who individually memorized at least one sutra as part of the fulfillment of the Geshe degree, these sutras were finally written down in Pali during the second century BC, and later translated to Sanskrit. The fact that the entire canon in both Pali and Sanskrit exists today demonstrates the fact that this monk's education was limited. He knew nothing about Buddhism. He had never had any dialog with a Buddhist monk.

Agents of the totalitarian regime infesting China are known to spend their days trying to discredit Buddhism in a vain attempt to justify decades of genocide after the invasion of the sovereign nation of Tibet. The fact that this article follows their pattern suggests the intent of the article. At best, it belongs on the website of the Vendanta Society, certainly not in a factual reference Wikipedia.

Pray! delete this article. The author does not present the referenced speech in a non-biased fashion, focusing only on Buddhism. Where is the rest of the speech? Hpfeil (talk) 04:46, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Read the speech. Does this article present an unbiased representation of that speech?

https://belurmath.org/swami-vivekananda-speeches-at-the-parliament-of-religions-chicago-1893/#Buddhism-the-fulfillment-of-Hinduism

"Hinduism cannot live without Buddhism, nor Buddhism without Hinduism."

"...highlighted the fact that the Buddha is worshipped as one of the incarnations of God" This is not a 'fact'. It is an opinion and should be presented as such.

The discussion two years ago cited references that cited this article. Those citations should have referenced the speech, not this biased article. I submit those reasons are invalid and should not have been considered.

If this article stands, there are gigabytes of transcripts of speeches I intend to publish herein, many of which refute this myopic 19th century monk's opinions. This monk is from Bombay; Buddhism has flourished to the north and east for 2,500 years. The author ignores Jainism, which arose at the same time in the upper Ganges River region, where Vedic Brahmanism met the religions of the Ganges plain.

In Session 1, the Dalai Lama reviews the history of Buddhism in India, refuting the strange notions espoused by by this monk. https://www.dalailama.com/videos/great-treatise-on-the-stages-of-the-path-to-englightenment An unbiased article would present all sides of the monk's assertions. Delete this article and replace it with a correct presentation of the speech free from the author's bias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hpfeil (talk • contribs) 19:13, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Here I have previously proposed a deletion, which did not get consensus approval. Some people suggested i should have proposed a merge with Swami Vivekananda at the Parliament of the World's Religions (1893) instead. Perhaps you could do so, Hpfeil. Post on my talk page if you need my help.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 12:33, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

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