Talk:Charter of the United Nations

Link to nonexistent image of signing ceremony removed

Here, I've removed the infobox link to what appears to be the latest in a longstanding series of nonexistent images or redirects. Perhaps one of the images here might be suitable (I don't know their copyright status -- perhaps images at the un.org website are public domain ??) Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:17, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Vandalizing admin

20:49, 24 April 2014 RHaworth (talk | contribs) deleted page Charta of the United Nations (R3: Recently created, implausible redirect)

"Charta of the United Nations" is the name given in the introduction.

It is vandalism to delete a redirect that is named so. ArmijaDonetsk (talk) 22:07, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

I think you're trolling, but I'll bite anyway. It's not vandalism. Read the definition at WP:VANDALISM. The admin did not carry out a "deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia". Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 01:11, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Obviously ArmijaDonetsk was overlooking the difference between the correct English spelling "charter" and his misspelling "charta". I wouldn't call that an "implausible" misspelling though, so I find redirects from those misspellings at least worthy of consideration. It's "charta", "carta" or something similar in so many other languages that many non-native readers of English Wikipedia might easily look for it under such a spelling. I must admit that I myself, when I first saw these edits and deletions, was wondering "hey, what's wrong about those redirects, why didn't we have them all along?" Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:40, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

My apologies if this was not trolling. It just sounded so—silly, or rap-tastic, or something. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 05:16, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

U.S. did not sign at the San Fran ceremony

According to the U.S. State Dept., Truman witnessed but did not sign the charter in June with the rest of the member nations. He had to wait until August, after the treaty had been ratified by the Senate. Have I read this wrong, or is the first paragraph of this article in need of adjustment? Krychek (talk) 21:27, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Signing a treaty and ratifying it are two separate steps. The U.S. ratifies treaties by having a two-thirds majority vote in the Senate. Prior to this, the President or his representative can sign treaties, after which they are sent to the Senate for ratification. Truman did not sign the UN Charter at the conclusion of the S.F. Conference, but the U.S. Secretary of State Edward Stettinius, Jr. did, as did six other U.S. officials. The original signed copy of the UN Charter can be found here, where you can view the original signatures by all countries that were done in S.F. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 00:18, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Ah, that clears it up. Thank you. Krychek (talk) 19:05, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Good Olfactory's 'simplifications

I think that the simplifications and clarifications from Good Olfactory make the article harder to read (for a newcomer who looks first at an encyclopedia article for an introduction). I think that the editor has made the article harder to read, not easier to read, merely by taking out core 'bits' of useful, helpful information. MaynardClark (talk) 05:15, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Specifically, what from this is problematic? The main simplification was clarifying the extremely convoluted sentence in the lead that set out the five permanent members. There was no need to mention Chapter II in that sentence at all, IMO. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 05:23, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 15 November 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved (page mover nac) Flooded with them hundreds 12:25, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

---

United Nations Charter → Charter of the United Nations – "United Nations Charter" is not the official name of the document. The UN and the ICJ use the phrase "Charter of the United Nations" [1][2][3]. Indy beetle (talk) 18:54, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

• Support. The official name of the document also happens to be more commonly used, from what I can see. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 20:05, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
• Support "United Nations Charter" is just shorthand for the correct title. Daemonickangaroo2018 (talk) 18:31, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

---

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.