Talk:Chinese New Year/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

'Eating duck is considered bad luck'. Sometimes - it all depends on your beliefs

Someone has edited the Bad Luck section of this article. It originally had "The eating of duck is thought to cause heavy misfortune, as ducks are (at least traditionally) eaten in times of funerals or deaths in the family" I have been celebrating the Chinese New Year since I was born and believe that this should be put in rather than cut out. I think that eating duck is good luck and I always eat what the symbol is for that year; example, I ate a pig this year.

→I would like to maintain the opinion of putting away baseless and contradictory statements such as what act/belief is good luck or bad luck. The battle in deciding what to put down cannot end unless one takes an unbiased viewpoint, perhaps by mentioning the existence of the contrary belief. A lot of things written on the article page are mostly drawn from the many years of experiences celebrating the event, so lets keep it as real and informative as it can. Dat789 01:32, 4 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dat789 (talk • contribs)

"Japanese and Chinese/Lunar New Year"

The article states:

Chinese New Year is considered to be a major holiday for the Chinese as well as ethnic groups who were strongly influenced by Chinese culture. This includes Japanese, Koreans, Miao (Chinese Hmong), Mongolians, Vietnamese, Tibetans, the Nepalese and the Bhutanese (see Losar).

However, Japanese celebrate the New Year on January 1, as in Western countries. According to the Wikipedia article Japanese_New_Year this began in 1873, which would mean it occurred shortly after the Meiji Restoration (明治維新) during the Meiji Era (明治時代) - a period that marks the modernization of Japan. (Not that this last piece of trivia is of great importance to my point, but it seemed worth mentioning).

Kaizendenki 12:17, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

It's not really relevant to the entry, but Chinese also celebrate western New Year. Japan moved traditional celebrations to a new date (moved it from the lunar calender to the Gregorian calender), while China kept the traditional date, but added new (non-traditional) celebrations in on the second date. Mostly, it's just partying and setting off fireworks, which happens at any kind of celebration in China anyway.

perfectblue 13:11, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

It may be true that fireworks (where its legal) happen all the time, but no other holiday or celebration, including the Gregorian new year, can compare with the Chinese New Year as a pan-Chinese holiday. And for most people, its not "mostly" partying. tess 17:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

When I said "mostly partying" I meant the Gregorian new year. Believe it or not, it is just mostly partying. While Japan celebrates western new year with traditional Japanese celebrations like crossover noodles etc, China doesn't do anything much more traditional that let of fireworks (which is a stable of almost any celebration in China) all of the tradition is saved the lunar festival.

perfectblue 18:35, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I missread your statement. tess 19:23, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Also, the Chinese didn't name the holiday "Lunar" New Year. We went along with it to distinguish it from the Gregorian new year. tess 17:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

It's often not referred to as being new year at all. Just "Spring Festival".

perfectblue 18:35, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

"Chinese New Year" vs. "Lunar New Year"

Why don't we really change round the order of the redirects - this page should be called Lunar New Year because that is more general (Korean and Vietnamese communities in the SF bay area are on record as being upset because everyone calls it Chinese New Year, squeezing out their festivities). Anyone see any reason why I shouldn't switch them round? seglea 22:21, 22 Jan 2004 (UTC)

• Do the Korean New Year and Vietnamese New Year always fall on precisely the same date as the Chinese New Year?
• Please keep in mind that the Chinese calendar is lunisolar, not purely lunar. (Please see lunisolar calendar and lunar calendar.) Also, what about the Jewish and Islamic calendars? (The Jewish is lunisolare; the Islamic is lunar.)

The Chinese calendar uses the location of Beijing as a reference point (or more correctly, it used Beijing until 1928 and since then 128° East. The traditional japanese calendar used the location of Tokio (but was otherwise identical with the chinese one), and AFAIK the vietnamese one is also the same with only another different reference longitude. I have no idea if it has a different one for the Koreans. But it will have a difference of one day if the new moon occurs around midnight local time at the reference latitudes of the calendars.

And yes, the Chinese calendar is lunisolar, but it isn't the only lunisolar calendar, there are more additionally to the above variants of the chinese one. Thus a title Lunisolar New Year would be wrong as well. andy 23:21, 22 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Although a late response, the modern meridian of the Chinese calendar is 120°, not 128° (probably just a typo). The meridian for the traditional Japanese calendar, at least before 1873, was that of Kyoto. I suspect that the 'modern' traditional Japanese calendar uses 135°, the meridian of Japanese Standard Time (UTC+9h), not the meridian of Tokyo. I suspect the same for Vietnam (UTC+8h), but don't know. Because Korea was a vassal state of China before it was invaded by Japan in 1905, it accepted the Chinese calendar without making any changes. Indeed, the Korean court accepted the Chinese calendar from the Chinese delegate with elaborate ceremony. I have no idea what its modern incarnation may be. — Joe Kress 18:31, Dec 24, 2004 (UTC)

Well, if you change it to Lunar New Year, it would still be the same as Chinese New Year... It just, maybe, maybe piss off us china peoples. Your choice. tsyoshi

Please don't use lunar new year. Where I come from "lunar new year" is equivalent to "islamic new year". If Wiki is intended to be international then it would cause confusion. Perhaps Chinese/Korean/Japanese/Vietnamese New Year is more appropriate, albeit longer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.177.224.164 (talk • contribs)

This article is really about how the Chinese celebrate their new year. As such, the name is fine. There is already a separate article for the Japanese new year. There really should be articles on how Koreans and Vienamese people celebrate their new year, no matter when in the calendar they fall on. There should also be an article for the Islamic New Year. tess 19:27, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey what do you know, there's already an article for the Vietnamese new Year: Tết. tess 19:32, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Things to do

1) Add the ten heavenly characters which are conjugated with the 12 animal zodiacs.

2) Add entry for 8th day of new year...birthday of the jade emperor

Icons and Ornaments

Chinese New Year (CNY) or Chinese Spring Festivals are celebrated with many icons, decorative ornaments, symbols and other significant images that are peculiar only during the festive season. I propose a dedicated subtopic explaining what each is and what they mean. e.g. Fish -- often pictures of fishes are found and they symbolise to represent the Chinese idioms of 年年有餘 (nián nián yǒu yú). I'm sure we can come up with many more. Illustrations with its description.Dat789 21:14, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

CNY concludes with Lantern festival?

Can somebody well versed in Chinese customs confirm that CNY celebrations are concluded with Lantern festival? This is so as I recall that the 15th (last day of CNY) is "Chinese Valentines' Day" or 元宵节. I stand to be corrected. - p 0 r + z 10:50, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Here's the relevant link in Mandarin: http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%98%A5%E8%8A%82 -- traditionally it's concluded with the Lantern Festival, but many regions have the custom of celebrating what can be literally translated as "the small new year" ( http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%B0%8F%E5%B9%B4 ). As the article states, "大年从腊月最末一天开始，一般认为到正月十五日元宵节为止，亦有未出正月就是年的说法。"

Oh yeah, please don't perpetuate that the Lantern Festival has anything to do with Qi Xi, Chinese Valentines day! They are two completely seperate holidays.Jeffyboy 04:48, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Fifteenth day

I removed the sentence about an old woman with a basket of celery as it didn't make sense and I was unable to find any references or sources that supported its relevance. If there is some reason the old woman and the celery should be in there, please provide a citation. Meiruo 00:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Here's the Chinese link for the 15th of the Chinese New Year -- http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%85%83%E5%AE%B5%E7%AF%80 -- it's not celery that's being used, but green onions (scallions). "在台灣早期，有在元宵節夜裡未婚的女性要偷得蔥來討個吉兆的說法。俗語說：「偷挽蔥，嫁好翁；偷挽菜，嫁好婿」（台灣話發音)". Jeffyboy 04:38, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Pinyin for 除夕

The pinyin for 除夕 should be Chúxī not Chúxì.--M.H. 05:20, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

It is chúxī in mainland China and chúxì in Taiwan. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cgkm (talk • contribs) 05:01, 13 February 2007 (UTC).

But which way is "pinyin"? Or are both pronounciations "pinyin"? --tess 18:25, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Both are Hanyu pinyin, the disagreement is over the tone of xi 夕. It would be interesting to look into why (speaking in traditional tonal categories), xi is level in one case and oblique in the other. Apeman 06:36, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Historically 夕 belongs to the entering tone, which no longer exists (and often maps randomly to one of the other tones) in Mandarin. I'm not sure that explains why it's different on the mainland versus Taiwan though, other than perhaps language change. --ian (talk) 03:57, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

San Francisco

I do not see it mentioned in the article, but I have noticed that the parade here is held a couple of weeks after the New Year starts, so presumably it is set to coincide with the Lantern Festival? It also seems to occur on the weekend, as do most parades here. This year it is scheduled for Saturday, March 3. Past years were February 11, 2006, February 19, 2005, and February 7, 2004, all Saturdays. --Nike 05:38, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I can see why SF is singled out since it was the first such parade, but other cities now hold parades too (NYC for one). I'm going to change the heading to the more generic "Chinatown parades" if nobody objects. Wl219 21:33, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

"Honorability"

Under the 'Reunion Dinner' heading, the article says that the red packets 'often contain money in certain numbers that reflect good luck and honorability.' There is no such word as 'honorability'; and I'm not sure what was intended and, therefore, whether 'honour' (or 'honor' if you insist on American spelling) is an appropriate substitute. Any suggestions? --Zoe Ocean 01:55, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I think "respect" may be a better term. --tess 18:58, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

boar, not Pig ?

Why does it say BOAR and not Pig? Pig is the correct translation Potaaatos 16:40, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Maybe we could vote and what ever side gets the more votes that will be the used word, I vote for Pig because that is the correct translation Potaaatos 17:30, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

"Pig" in Chinese refer to both wild boar and domestic pig because of the difference in language structure. For example, we would say "DomesticPig (家猪)" or "WildPig (野猪)" as one word; this is perfectly normal in Mandarin, however it might seem silly in English. So theoretically both are correct. There's really no need to change it. So I oppose. Yongke 20:57, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

"boar" is just stupid. when was the last time you saw a boar in China? This is like saying we should translate 龍 ("Dragon") as "dinosaur" because in Chinese it's also called a "Dragon" (恐龍, "terror Dragon") --Sumple (Talk) 01:36, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Please avoid injecting personal opinions into the debate. The word "boar" is commonly used where the term "Pig" is considered slightly derogatory and informal, such as in media events or other stage performances. Please read boar before assuming they are entirely different animals from pigs. In actual fact, they are the same. Also note Pig, which routinely refers to the boar.--Huaiwei 01:48, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Kindly note that Wikipedia is not censored. It is wrong to pervert the natural translation of a term because of the hypersensitivity of certain peoples or groups. The fact that the article is at Pig, not "boar (zodiac)", I think, is highly persuasive if not conclusive.

I do know what a boar is, thank you very much, having read Asterix comics in my youth.

They are not the same - which is why we have two words for them in English - boar, and Pig. Likewise, there are two words for them in Chinese: 猪 and 野猪.

Look up "Pig" in any English-Chinese dictionary, and I warrant you that the first definition is "猪". Likewise, look up "猪" in any Chinese-English dictionary, and I warrant you that the first definition is "Pig". --Sumple (Talk) 02:18, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

If they are not the same, would you mind telling us what the differences are, and if the article boar supports your assumptions? If 野猪 is not a 猪, then I suppose 男人 is not a 人 too? Kindly note that this is not a censorship exercise, and does not reflect "hypersensitiveness". It reflects actual usage, while you are attempting to deny the use of one of the two terms.--Huaiwei 03:35, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

No, 野猪 is a 猪. But that does not mean that a 猪 is a 野猪. An apple is a fruit, that does not mean a fruit is an apple. As you said, a man is a person, but a person may not be a man!

It's very simple: 猪 means Pig, and 野猪 means boar. As for the difference between them, just read boar and pig! Why are there two articles if they are the same thing?

To censor "Pig" into "boar" is hypersensitivity, it does not reflect actual usage. Google [1] returns 1.62 million results for "year of the boar", but [2] 7.39 million results for "year of the Pig".

Here are some examples of the official usage of "Year of the Pig":

by the Sydney City Council;

by Australia Post;

by New Zealand Post

by the People's Daily

by the Royal Mint.

Before this goes on, let me make it clear that I agree with you that people do call it "Year of the boar" - my contention is that (1) it is not the most common usage and (2) it is inaccurate. "Year of the Pig" is more common and more accurate. --Sumple (Talk) 04:09, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

If you concur that both terms are indeed used, than why are you the one attempting to censor the use of these terms? I am arguing that both can be used, while you are insisting only one. So just who is doing the censorship exercise here? Secondly, I find it intriguing that you consider the term "Pig" more accurate. From where did you actually garner evidence to say that the ancient Chinese are refering only to the domesticated female pig?--Huaiwei 04:25, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm impressed by your chocolate-vanilla-free choice argument. If you read the article pig, you will notice that the "Pig" genus covers both domestic pigs and wild pigs. It's entirely redundant to say "Pig/Boar" if you want to include male and female, domesticated and wild pigs. "Pig" is a bigger concept than "boar". So "Pig" does not mean the domesticated female pig (don't know where you are getting that idea from. Those are called sows.

Secondly, listing both Pig and boar everywhere is redundant and does not accord with Wikipedia's Common Names policy. We don't go around listing all names of things - we refer to them by their most common name. If you feel that the "Pig/boar" confusion requires explanation, that is best done under Pig (zodiac), which would greatly benefit from such an explanation. --Sumple (Talk) 06:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

First, I suggest all you people to first read the entire article on Wikipedia:Naming conflict#How to make a choice among controversial names. It will then become apparent that the most preferred choice is to settle on the most common name or usage of the term in dispute. To identify the common name, I have resorted to the Google Test or Search Engine test. The number of results yielded represents the factor of common usage.

Search Engine results

Search	Year of Boar	Year of Pig
Google	16,800	310,000
Yahoo	2,500	685,000
ask.com	486	10,900
BBC.co.uk	0	4

In consideration of the above results, it is proven beyond all shadows of doubt that the most common usage is "The Year of Pig".

Further, the term boar by definition is a "a member of the Pig's species" by zoological's definition. Naming the specis is the order of choice in the Chinese zodiac, not a-member-of-something. Just as Rat, which is a name for over 650 species of mammals in a number of different families of the order Rodentia. There is no such thing as Hamster in the Chinese zodiac, because hamster is a member of the order Rodentia.

For the reasons above, I have therefore changed to the use of Pig instead of Boar--Dat789 13:31, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I do not want to rain on your parade, but you did not change it, you need to change both words into Pig not just the first one Potaaatos 13:52, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Hah. What a silly discussion on a moot point. I suppose it isn't time to bring up the differences between Goat, ram and sheep. Oops, I just did. --Kvasir 23:29, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Most Mainland Chinese translate it as "Pig" because they are not taught the word "boar" as part of standard English teaching. Boar might seem more apt and more accurately reflects traditional artwork, but Pig is the more common English usage in China. - perfectblue (talk) 21:19, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Ehh?

More interurban trips are taken in mainland China in this 40-day period than the total population of China. Can someone please explain to me what this sentence is saying? It doesn't make sense. More than the total population...what? Smokes cannabis in one day? Tourskin 01:26, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

more trips than people. how hard is that to understand? --Sumple (Talk) 01:37, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Simmer down, took me a couple of goes to get it. The wording is a little hinky - something like "more trips are taken than there are people in China" would be easier to parse. Leobrien 06:55, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Hmm you're right. --Sumple (Talk) 06:58, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

The interurban part can't be removed. Also the 40 day period is important. Wording can be rephrased e.g. 'During this 40 day period, more interurban trips are taken than there are people in China' but it doesn't sound very encylopaedic to me. IMHO the current wording is best but I won't specifically object a change Nil Einne (talk) 16:18, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Greetings

The "Happy New Year" subsection of "Greetings" is sort of a mess. "Guo Nian Hao" is listed as pinyin, yet lacks tones, and is preceeded by simplified characters and succeeded by traditional characters with no reference to their commonality...with another phrase (without pinyin transliteration) in-between. Sadly my Mandarin isn't good enough to fix this, can someone please intercede?

Added the tone marks, but I don't really see any other problems with the way that section is constructed.Rpine75 (talk) 20:30, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Please revert History section

I really don't care if someone likes potatoes and cheese, and that he/she/it cannot spell. I just want some history. ^_- --72.177.71.189 05:52, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

already done, but you're well able to do it yourself if neccessary. we can always use more help. Leobrien 06:57, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

If you want more history, you should really put in more efforts to fill up the history section. Not come here and wail for one to appear. By the way, you do know that Wikipedia is a charity organisation that strive to keep this as The Free Encyclopedia, dont' you? Nobody works for you in here.--Dat789 13:36, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Bad Luck

Please decide if it is the buying of shoes or of socks is the bad luck. It has been changed back and forth countless of times. And would you please state your reasons as to why you think the change is justified. Please sign in and then edit!

Take a look at http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%98%A5%E8%8A%82 , under 習俗, it clearly states that 不買鞋。廣東民間習俗，指農曆一月不應購買鞋（因為「鞋」與廣東話的「唉」聲相似）。 For those less familiar with Mandarin, it states that "People do not buy shoes. In Cantonese tradition, people do not buy shoes on the first month due to "shoes" sounding very similar to "sigh" in their dialect. I do not see any citations for socks, nor do I personally know of this practice being applied to socks amongst my friends and family in the region. Jeffyboy 04:55, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm Cantonese. Its shoes, not socks. So whoever is changing it to socks, if they don't quote another dialect, then they're vandalizing. Also, books are not given because it sounds like the word for "lose" (as in not win). There's a similar issue with "clock" because it sounds like one of the words for "end". tess 22:13, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Discussion board clean up

Anybody in favor of cleaning up this discussion board for entries dating earlier than January 2006?

• Support. This board is getting too cluttered up. --Dat789 22:44, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
• Support. --tess 18:32, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

semi-protection

I requested semi-protection from IP vandalism several days ago. It was granted, but another admin took it off and we ended up back where we were before. Do people here think vandalism is manageable without semi- or full protection or should we try to bring it back to the admins' attention again? Wl219 22:47, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

• Support. I have noticed several vandalism on this article. Most were changes made by those who did not sign-in. You have my vouch for semi-protection.--Dat789 10:22, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
• I concur. --tess 18:42, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Full Moon, Lunar month, etc...

Do we have this article correct, do we mean the Chinese New Year starts with the full moon or within the first lunar month?

Quotation and reference

There is now a quotation, which should appear adjacent to the table of contents. It is intended to give a summary of what Spring Festival is about, from an influential Chinese perspective. It also encourages readers to persevere past the very long table of contents. Discussion on its suitability is welcomed, but I would encourage editors to preserve the reference, even if they alter the quotation in other ways - it is only the second academic source in a very long article. Matt 23:37, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Turkish, Persian and Kurdish??? !!!!!

Can someone please tell me what is a Muslim greeting used on Ramazan Bayram (Idu l-Fitr) doing in an article about a traditional Chinese festival? I mean, I know that Turks use "Bayram" for every kind of festival, but I don't think there are enough Chinese in Turkey (at least comparing to the US -- English is not here if you care to notice). Moreover, I believe -- although I am not a Muslim so I can't say for sure, but I'm pretty much positive about it -- that the Turkish phrase presented here would only be used for Eid ul-Fitr. This looks very much like a joke to my eyes. Come on?! Turkish, Persian and Kurdish??? Might just add Classical Ottoman, Ancient Greek and everyone's favourite, good old Latin. However there is a point in telling people if there is any greeting in English that Asian people use during this Festival... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.37.166.68 (talk) 23:29, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Days before the New Year

Can someone tell me what the following sentence (in the second paragraph of that section) means in its context?

"It is for display for the New Year's Eve dinner."

tess (talk) 22:51, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Frankly speaking, I have no idea what that means other than it suggesting that nobody eats that poor fish. If it is really for display only and is widely practiced and most Chinese communities, then keep the sentence. Should there be any discrepancies or anyone finds it disagreeable, this sentence has to go. I know i'd eat it... but not its head nor tail! Dat789 02:03, 4 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dat789 (talk • contribs)

My understanding is that because the pronunciation of "fish" in Chinese is the same as that of "remainder", or "left-over", etc, it's a good sign to have something left from the "old" year, signifying wealth and abundance. It's ok to eat fish on the New Year Eve, as long as you don't finish it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.104.55.5 (talk) 22:23, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism

It looks like all versions after 4:48 on 2008-01-09 have been vandalized. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.0.132.109 (talk) 16:10, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

All vandalism on 2008-01-09 was reverted within one minute. — Joe Kress (talk) 02:36, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

There has been more vandalism. Rat was vandalised to Giraffe. 124.168.49.2 (talk) 10:11, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Calculating CNY?

Is there a simple way of calculating the date of chinese new year for any year? Like there is one to find the date when Easter falls?82.69.16.174 (talk) 08:05, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

No. Nor would I call the arithmetical Easter calculations simple, although they were intentionally simplified to allow table look-up of each underlying parameter (golden number, epact, dominical letter). The Chinese calendar uses astronomical calculations, which are much more complicated. The easiest method is to look up the date in a pre-calculated table, such as the animal/branch table in this article. — Joe Kress (talk) 21:39, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Year of the mouse or the Year of the Rat

My Hong Kong friends and my Vietnamese friends are adamant that this New Year will be the Year of the mouse. Prior Years of the Rat have been turbulent. Some people are working to change their stars, take control of their destinies, and break with tradition. I know many people with cute mouse statues on their desks right now. --Tintle (talk) 19:16, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

In Chinese, the word 鼠 can mean either species. --tess (talk) 18:06, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree that it can mean either species but only limited by dictionary's definition of 鼠. However, it would be different in our context of the zodiac year.

As far as tradition and the English translation is concerned, it has always been known as "The Year of the Rat" or "Rat Year". On the personal level, I have never heard anyone saying "Mouse Year". Although I know and understand that mouse is cuter than a rat, it should not and must not warrant for a change in what tradition has already dictated. Further, if you do a search on any search engine for the exact phrase of "Year of Rat" and "Year of Mouse", the number of yields of the latter is dwarfed by many, many times. Google: 196,000 against the latter 14,200; 470,00 against 34,200, etc. etc. By now you should not be tempted to change anything and you should not be confused. Dat789 01:45, 4 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dat789 (talk • contribs)

I don't know what you mean by "always been known". The Chinese didn't call it the Year of the Rat or the Year of the Mouse. The Chinese called it 鼠年, which when translated may refer to either animal. It is more prevalent in some places to translate it as Rat, and others Mouse. It may seem more common in Google, but this Wikipedia content is actully helping in perpetuating the myth that it has to be Rat rather than Mouse. These are translations, and translations are not always entirely accurate. Neither is wrong. --tess (talk) 20:46, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree that this doesn't warrant a change to "Year of the Mouse" as long as its specific that it can actually mean either animal. --tess (talk) 20:51, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

It should be the Year of the Mouse —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.72.20.26 (talk) 01:17, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps it should be called Year of the Rodent?  :-) --tess (talk) 01:50, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Way off topic, but I've met rats and mice close up and personal, both domesticated and wild, and rats are stronger, smarter, more long-lived and more interesting than mice. They've gotten a bad rap, but I'd still rather be called a rat than a mouse. --Slashme (talk) 07:29, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Chu literally means "change"?

I'm not aware of any definition of chu where it means change. Typical definition indicates elimination or removal. I'm not an etymologist, but it seems like it's chu because it marks the end of the year and that the old year (worries, debt, etc) is eliminated. Auroragb (talk) 16:40, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Maybe "change" is a bad translation--from reading this article it seems maybe whoever put that definition in meant "exchange". "Eliminate" sounds like a better definition. --ian (talk) 04:04, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Even in that case, the "exchange" definition is a lesser contextual meaning, not literal. The article indicates that it has that contextual meaning because it is the connection with the new year day. Auroragb (talk) 04:06, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

printing problem

I'm running Firefox/2.0.0.11 on OS Name Microsoft Windows XP Professional Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 Build 2600.

I can't print this page--to a printer or to PDF.

Works OK in Internet Exploder.

134.84.164.92 (talk) 19:22, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Have you checked to see that your printer supports the character encoding that firefox is set to? - perfectblue (talk) 21:21, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

modify Australia fireworks, incorrect information

Australia - Australia does not permit the use of fireworks at all, except when used by a licensed pyrotechnician. These rules also require a permit to be sought from local government, as well as any relevant local bodies such as maritime or aviation authorities (as relevant to the types of fireworks being used) and hospitals, schools, et cetera within a certain range.

Fireworks sales and use are allowed in Northern Territory and possibly ACT during certain periods, see below links

http://www.worksafe.nt.gov.au/corporate/bulletins/pdf/06-10/07.02.01.pdf

http://www.sunsetfireworks.com.au/fireworks-sales-buy-fireworks.html

138.80.219.241 (talk) 02:13, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Interwiki

You can add bg:Китайска Нова Година

Red Packets

Li Cee Fon, or red envelopes. I have never heard of them referred to as red packets before. Its not ketcup —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.1.244.38 (talk) 01:48, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I've never heard of them referred to as red envelopes, always red packets or ang pow etc. They are IMHO much closer to what people visualise as a packet then as an envelope Nil Einne (talk) 06:50, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Please make a minor addition in the introduction

"It is sometimes called the Lunar New Year, especially by people outside China." Note that this is because of cultural sensitivity, or if you don't want those words, because other peoples celebrate it on the same day (at least oftentimes). Also note the other "Lunar New Years". --68.161.145.26 (talk) 05:53, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Format error

The Xinwen Lianbo quote directly underneath the list of animals appears (with correct character rendering throughout the page) with the History section marker running through the middle of it. I have no idea how to fix this. 24.128.247.236 (talk) 17:26, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

That problem did not occur with either Internet Explorer or Firefox under Windows XP on my computer. However, in both cases it appeared to the left of the table so I am moving the quote lower in the article to avoid that interference. — Joe Kress (talk) 09:20, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Name Change to Lunar New Year

As far as I know, very few people in East Asia call it "Chinese New Year" and it's mostly a western term. Shouldn't the proper term for the article be "Spring Festival" or "Lunar Spring Festival"? Intranetusa (talk) 02:39, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

No. English Wikipedia's official naming policy states that "article naming should prefer what the greatest number of English speakers would most easily recognize", not an English name preferred by the subjects of an article. — Joe Kress (talk) 05:16, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Even if the name itself is a misconception? Intranetusa (talk) 21:03, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I presume by "misconception" you mean that it was also the beginning of the year in other East Asian cultures, or alternatively, that it is no longer the beginning of the civil year in any culture. Again, most English speakers do not know that, with the possible exception of Tet as the former Vietnamese New Year because of the Vietnam conflict (albeit much earlier). Thus the Wikipedia policy still prefers the traditional Western term, Chinese New Year. This argument is easily bolstered by a search for "Chinese New Year" vs "Spring Festival" on any search engine, with the result being the overwhelming dominance of "Chinese New Year". Another reason is that Wikipedia articles should be written for the general reader, not the specialist, which includes their title. — Joe Kress (talk) 02:07, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

the new chiness year

when will began the new chiness year celebration —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.103.173.121 (talk) 13:22, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Wrong dates?

The dates for New Year in the "Dates" section look strange. They surely don't occur in March.Stone-turner (talk) 11:51, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Chinese names - correction and new section

I have moved the details about the Chinese name(s) and their translations to a new section with corrections. The previous content contained a few errors: for example, the change to "Spring Festival" did not involve moving the celebrations from one day to another, but the swapping over of names. Also, "Agiriculture / Agricultural / Agrarian Calendar" is a really bad way of translating the Chinese term, and none of the three are commonly used in English. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 22:55, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

"Imlek"

The usage of Imlek (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is under discussion, see Talk:Imlek (company) -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 04:58, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Bold

Is it possible to add bold to the next chinese new year under the section dates? ~~Chessfreak~~ (talk) 14:22, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

error: tael

This line is incorrect:

"Dumplings symbolize wealth because their shape resembles a Chinese tael."

The dumplings resemble the shape of a Chinese sycee (see which page).

Someone with editing rights to this page ought to make the correction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.183.75.163 (talk) 21:05, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Done Transcendence (talk) 01:16, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 January 2014

can i change a spelling error or two De La Frezzo88 (talk) 19:44, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Question: What spelling errors would these be? --Anon126 (talk - contribs) 21:19, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Though Diannaa has written "mark as answered; article is not protected", the article indeed look protected to me (I see a "View source" tab, and not the "Edit" one). Maybe it's protected only regarding not logged and newly registered users? --109.53.247.194 (talk) 18:34, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

The protection was re-added at 18:09, January 30, 2014‎. If De La Frezzo88 could please tell us what are the spelling errors they spotted, they can be corrected. -- Diannaa (talk) 19:47, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Date format consistency

As established by this edit on January 24, 2005, this article uses the MDY date format. See MOS:DATEFORMAT. Rincewind42 (talk) 16:52, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2014

I found a mistake of a mistranslated word "waxed meat" and I'm here to request to fix it.

It is found in the following two sentences: "Is usually served in a dish with rondelles of Chinese sausage or 'waxed meat' during Chinese New Year. " "The 'waxed meat' is so chosen because it is traditionally the primary method for storing meat over the winter and the meat rondelles resemble coins."

In Chinese cuisine, there is no such kind of food called "waxed meat" .(Mandarin: 蜡肉 là ròu) There is a kind of food that sounds similar called Chinese cured pork. (or Chinese bacon as an alternative name) (Mandarin: 腊肉 là ròu) Chinese cured pork is a traditional food in China and usually served in a dish with other vegetables. (e.g. leek) The two Chinese words sounds the same and they look similar in Chinese characters. It had been a mistake Play better (talk) 15:47, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Where's the English in the Greetings Section

This is the English Wikipedia, it should be in English first with as little foreign language required. However the "Greetings" section of this article is written with Chinese first follow by an excessive number of regional pronunciations and transliterations and the English text has gotten lost underneath. A person with no Chinese language ability, i.e. the vast majority of the readership, would not understand this section at all. It needs to be completely re-written with English text at the forefront and the Chinese script as annotations. The multiple transliterations should be dropped completely as they create so much clutter as to render the whole section unreadable. Rincewind42 (talk) 16:11, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Strange sort of Chinese New Year dates list

Chinese New Year dates list is sorted in a strange way, indeed!

One expect to read them in year order, as in articles about Easter, Carnival and more closer to this article Losar (and even Solstice). --109.53.212.116 (talk) 23:20, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 January 2014

Pleas add {{Clarify}} to the table in the "Dates" section. --109.53.247.194 (talk) 18:36, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Not done: The table seems quite clear to me - it's in chronological order from top to bottom, then across. There was quite a bit of vandalism in the article earlier today... it's possible that you saw a version where that table was messed up? --ElHef (Meep?) 03:24, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

It's not so clear, years are divided in three columns, and preceded by two other columns not so meaningful regarding finding out the date (which is the section topic).

I do not say that it's an understandable table, and not that one can not find out the date,

but that is no easy to find out and it's not clear: it's an improvement request. (This is way I'm suggested a "clarify" template, not a "mistake" template. My be there is a more suitable template, for example Template:Confusing, please use the best one, if know one.)

Please see other articles, as the ones linked, to understand what I mean with easy and clear. --109.55.6.183 (talk) 08:21, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

I reviewed the table as someone not involved in the original and I think the table is quite straight forward though you do need to know about the Chinese zodiac to get it. The section might be enhanced by a preceding paragraph along the lines for, "The current year began on January 31, 2014 and the next new year will begin on Feburary 19, 2015." Rincewind42 (talk) 14:51, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

But this article is titled "Chinese New Year" not "Chinese zodiac". One is looking for the Chinese New Year day's date, not a Chinese zodiac stuff. --109.53.228.48 (talk) 08:56, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Read the article and you might understand. Chinese new year is part of the zodiac. The date of new year is determined by the zodiac. The name of the new year comes form the zodiac. The two topics are inseparable. They are two sides of the same coin. Rincewind42 (talk) 12:56, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Today (30 Jan 2018) I see two such tables. The second one desperately needs some explanation. How long will it take the average reader to figure out that "1912-1930" means that the top cell is 1912 and the one below it 1913, and so on? And it is based on "Anno Minguo." How many will know that the correct spelling is míngguó, or that the mainland hasn't used that since 1949? And without the hanzi (民國) or the correct spelling, they can't look it up. And I have no clue what the pinyin under each animal is about. Without the hanzi, I have no way of looking them up either. My first guess was that it was the adding of the five colors, but a closer look reveals that there are more than five. Someone who knows more than I do, please add enough text for someone who knows a lot less than I do. Maybe even create one table that says everything instead of having two that partially duplicate each other. 谢谢。

History of firecrackers

The article says, "Bamboo stems filled with gunpowder that were burnt to create small explosions were once used in ancient China to drive away evil spirits," but according to the gunpowder article, gunpowder came to be known around the ninth century CE and wasn't known in ancient China. Before that, bamboo was heated so it exploded. Whether exploding bamboo was used to scare off evil spirits isn't discussed in the article, however. --BB12 (talk) 01:05, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Hokkien and other romanizations

The romanizations for Hokkien need to be cleaned up. Many are bunched up next to English words without a space separating the parentheses and English words. WikiWinters (talk) 13:25, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

 Done I fixed all instances that I found. —Molly-in-md (talk) 17:16, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

2015 year of Goat?

where did this come from? Most other sources call 2015 year of the SHEEP. Is any one more certain than I am?Petethewhistle (talk) 17:16, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Refer to Goat (zodiac), which lists Goat first but sheep also as an alternate. In fact there is a whole section about whether it should be Goat or sheep. 野狼院ひさし u/t/c 02:10, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

 Not a bug The controversy is adequately covered in the Goat (zodiac) article, which is hotlinked to the first instance of "Goat" in the article. —Molly-in-md (talk) 17:25, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Problems with the table for Public Holidays

Some entries in the table of Public Holidays for Chinese New Year (CNY) do not seem to be valid. Many of the countries toward the bottom (and recently added) do NOT seem to actually be public holidays, in that the added countries do not grant days off or close government offices. Yes, some people may take these days off as vacation but they are not public holidays.

Also plan to add two sentences to the intro paragraph in this section. One will explain that non-China countries may have different names for the festival: "Depending on the country, the holiday may be termed differently; common names are "Chinese New Year", "Lunar New Year", "New Year Festival", and "Spring Festival"." The other sentence will link to existing articles about lunar new years that are not CNYs: "For New Year celebrations that are lunar but not based on the Chinese New Year (such as Korea's Seollal and Vietnam's Tết), see the article on Lunar New Year."

I also plan to put a comment on the table to the effect that "Before adding other countries to this table, please verify that 1) the country declares an official public holiday where government facilities are closed and 2) the celebration is not covered in the separate Lunar New Year article. Also, supply at least one reliable, published source for the addition per WP:RS."

These sources are from the country’s government itself where possible, but the US embassy websites are good at showing the host country’s holidays also.

The following countries do NOT have CNY-related public holidays, although the table currently lists them:

• Laos. Source: http://www.tourismlaos.org/show.php?Cont_ID=32, http://laos.usembassy.gov/holidays.html
• Canada. Source: http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/hldys/menu-eng.html
• USA. Source: http://www.opm.gov/faqs/QA.aspx?fid=e64d74ab-20a3-484c-8682-d2a2b46c22da&pid=c41e6beb-0c14-449d-bde5-355a3a3014cd
• Peru. Source: http://lima.usembassy.gov/holidays.html
• Argentina – note that they have a two-day public holiday for Carnival but that is not for CNY. Source: http://argentina.usembassy.gov/holidays4.html
• Chile. Source: http://chile.usembassy.gov/holidays.html
• Austria. Source: http://austria.usembassy.gov/holidays.html
• Denmark. Sources: http://www.feiertagskalender.ch/index.php?geo=3289&hl=en and http://denmark.usembassy.gov/about-us/holidays.html
• Germany. Source: http://germany.usembassy.gov/about/holidays/
• Switzerland. Source: http://bern.usembassy.gov/holidays.html
• United Kingdom. Sources: https://www.gov.uk/bank-holidays#england-and-wales, https://www.gov.uk/bank-holidays#scotland, https://www.gov.uk/bank-holidays#northern-ireland
• Kenya. Source: http://www.holiday-times.com/public-holidays-kenya/
• South Africa. Source: http://southafrica.usembassy.gov/about_holidays.html
• Australia. Source: http://www.australia.gov.au/topics/australian-facts-and-figures/public-holidays
• New Zealand. Source: https://www.govt.nz/browse/work-and-jobs/holidays-sick-leave-and-time-off/public-holidays-and-anniversary-dates/

Note that the following countries in the table DO have public holiday(s) for CNY, although what I found does not always agree with the current table:

• PRC has CYE holidays although the info conflicts, so I would leave the entry as-is. Sources: http://beijing.usembassy-china.org.cn/holidays.html and http://www.travelchinaguide.com/essential/public-holiday.htm
• Hong Kong has February 19-21 2015 off (=first 3 days of CNY), which agrees with the existing entry. Source: http://www.gov.hk/en/about/abouthk/holiday/
• Macau has February 19-21 2015 off (=first 3 days of CNY), which agrees with the existing entry. Source: http://portal.gov.mo/web/guest/info_detail?infoid=180821
• ROC/Taiwan has February 18-23 off (=CNYE, and first 5 days), which is 2 days longer than the current entry. Source: http://www.ait.org.tw/en/pressrelease-pr1507.html
• Brunei has some time off but isn't clear how much. Per http://brunei.usembassy.gov/emb_holidays.html and http://brunei.officialpublicholidays.com/all-days and http://www.officeholidays.com/countries/brunei/: February 19 2015 off (=first day of CNY). On the other hand, the Wikipedia article on Public holidays in Brunei shows 2 days off.
• Malaysia has February 19-20 2015 off (=first 2 days of CNY), which agrees with the existing entry. Source: http://malaysia.usembassy.gov/holidays.html and http://www.kabinet.gov.my/images/stories/kelepasanam/2012_merged.pdf
• Singapore has February 19-20 2015 off (=first 2 days of CNY), which agrees with the existing entry. Source: http://singapore.usembassy.gov/holidays.html and http://www.mom.gov.sg/newsroom/Pages/PressReleasesDetail.aspx?listid=417
• Indonesia has February 19 2015 off (=first day of CNY). This disagrees with the existing entries in two ways: the table shows a 2-day entry for Indonesia as a whole and a 3-day entry for Chinese Indonesians. Source: http://jakarta.usembassy.gov/holidays.html and http://indonesia.angloinfo.com/inside/public-holidays/
• Mauritius should be added to the table. Sources: http://www.tourism-mauritius.mu/Plan/public-holidays.html and http://mauritius.usembassy.gov/holidays.html

The following countries have a "special non-working day" for CNY, although this information does not always match what is currently on the table

• Philippines. Sources: http://www.gov.ph/2014/07/17/proclamation-no-831-s-2014/ , http://www.gov.ph/whats-the-difference-between-a-regular-holiday-and-a-special-non-working-day/ , http://www.gov.ph/2014/07/23/list-of-nationwide-holidays-for-2015/, http://www.holiday-times.com/public-holiday-philipines/ , http://manila.usembassy.gov/wwwholidays.html

The following countries have a public holiday for Lunar New Year, but it is not as closely tied with the Chinese New Year and, in fact, have their own Wikipedia articles. These will be removed from the list of Public Holidays in this article:

• Vietnam

I am planning to fix/remove these entries unless somebody has data to the contrary. Please comment. —Molly-in-md (talk) 23:15, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Please do fix it whenever you have time. Clearly it is wrong. Working in Sydney, Australia I'd certainly know if I had 8 days public holidays. As your link (technically public holidays are usually a state government thing but regardless) suggests there is NO public holiday in Australia for Chinese New Year (or Lunar New Year for the matter).Tigerman2005 (talk) 02:01, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

 Done The intro paragraphs and table in that section are now updated with this information. —Molly-in-md (talk) 13:33, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Why is row highlighted?

Could someone add an explanation in the footnote of the table titled "The date of Chinese New Year's Day (1912-2101)" as to why the Feb 5 row is highlighted in that table? It is unclear to me why this row is yellow. Thanks, Ben Boldt 05:19, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

When was the first Spring Festival!!!!!!!! This site was no help at all!!! >:( — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:32f3:ec90:5107:5e8d:fa86:19a (talk) 12:18, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

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'Dates in Chinese Lunar Calendar' section

'Dates in Chinese Lunar Calendar' section is actually mainly about Chinese New Year's date in Gregorian calendar. Should we rename the section?

By the way, there a text staing 'One scheme of continuously numbered Chinese-calendar years assigns 4709 to the year beginning, 2011, but this is not universally accepted; the calendar is traditionally cyclical, not continuously numbered.' , this should be updated as the year begining is not 2011 any more. Or even better the sentence should be changed in a way that would not need any further update). --62.19.51.21 (talk) 00:08, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

And also about that text: 'continuously numbered Chinese-calendar years' is a wikilink to Chinese calendar#Continuously numbered years , but there is not that section in the target article. --62.19.51.21 (talk) 00:10, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Interactive diagram isn't.

Clicking the interactive year diagram from the article brings up... something. Nothing useful, just a blank grid with numbers on the edge. I'm running Firefox 44.0 so this isn't a browser issue (translation: Make it work in Firefox. It's mainstream enough you have to care about it.) so it must be a file issue.—chbarts (talk) 14:56, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Firefox has a bug (likely http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12830897/svg-renders-but-gets-cut-off-in-firefox-only-why) in which some SVGs with interactivity are partially rendered when accessed via a link (see also User_talk:Sameboat#Dynamic_SVG). On the blank grid page, focusing to the address bar and pressing Enter to reload the page fixes it. Reloading the page using ctrl-R or F5 does not work. cmɢʟee⎆τaʟκ 20:25, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

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Mistranslation of the Chinese term for this year's zodiac sign

Throughout the article the Chinese term 鸡 (Jī) is translated to mean "Rooster," the masculine form of Chicken. This is incorrect as the Chinese term 鸡 (Jī) is gender neutral and would be more properly rendered in English as Chicken. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:281:C300:AE9D:9C2E:215B:3A99:1914 (talk) 20:58, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

oh wait it does, I am stupid

"Among about one third of the Mainland population, or 500 million Northerners, dumplings (especially those of vegetarian fillings) feature prominently in the meals celebrating the festival." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.207.72.133 (talk) 21:26, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Why "Year"?

If the definition of a Year is how long a planet revolves around it's sun... why is it called "Year" and not something else in this context as it doesn't appear to be a year?

ZhuLien (talk) 14:55, 27 February 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.32.141.11 (talk)

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Maybe, "Lunisolar" New Year?

and one of the Lunar New Years in Asia

但春节（Spring Festival）不是阴历新年（not Lunar New Year），是农历新年（"Chinese lunisolar calendar" New Year, or Rural Calendar New Year）啊？--林卯talk? 12:34, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

It’s most commonly known as Chinese New Year in English speaking countries, so in English. If you want to change the article’s name, and so move the article ,then you can open a Requested move discussion. But I think it is very unlikely to succeed.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 12:58, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

California

This holiday now has "special significance" in California:

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Here is the bill's text (which has been signed by the governor):

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--Beneficii (talk) 00:36, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

American English or British English?

Hello, I'm Rebestalic.

I would like a consensus on whether American English or British English should be used on this article.

Thank you, Rebestalic^{[dubious—discuss]} 02:42, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Chinese New Year - Lunar New Year is better terms

Hi, I would like to say: "Lunar New Year" is better term than "Chinese New Year", because Not only Chinese celebrate this date as their traditional New Year but Vietnamese, Indonesians, Macau, Malaysians, Philippinos, Singapore,Taiwanese, Thailand, Indians, etc, also celebrate this biggest holidays of the year! Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.194.43.200 (talk) 12:55, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi, there, do you konw who created lunar new year in eastasia? do you know the official name of Hongkong Macau and Taiwan ? Do you know lunar new year even in singarpore malaysia Thailand philipnis and indonesia is called chinese new year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amflussi (talk • contribs) 00:07, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

There are a lot of other places and cultures in the world that use the Lunar Calendar, unrelated to China. In fact, it's explained on this page: Lunar New Year It's known as Chinese New Year, or Spring Festival, depending on where you are. Spettro9 (talk) 23:33, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

The only relevant factor here is the people who actually celebrate it.. Aka the chinese plus oversea chinese people. If they want to call their ancestral tradition the "chinese new year" - who are you to change it to lunar new year?? Just because other ethnic people celebrate the same custom seems like a racist excuse to deprive chinese of having their international custom, called chinese new year. Don't forget this page is specifically only about the "chinese" version of the lunar festival..... So it would just be plain wrong to change it by removing the chinese name. :| especially when china played a huge role in inventing its custom.

Besides Westerners still call it "Chinese new year" in english, and for very good reason too. Chinese new year festival is unique. Not a universally shared standard for lunar new year festivals globally. Ie, Korean New Year typically falls on the same day as Chinese New Year. But instead of 15 days, it only lasts 3 days.

Koreans call their unique lunar new year as Seollal and spring festival. Only Westerners really call it Korean new year. Instead of Seollal. Because they can't pronounce it and it's a different SEPARATE festival to Chinese new year custom.

In addition, mongolia call it White Moon Festival. Their lunar new year celebrations is different as it is the first day of the year according to the Mongolian lunar calendar. And lasts only 1 day.

So basically it's called chinese new year by English-speaking people widely. And it really helps them differentiate the festival from other lunar festivals as it is unique and different from other lunar new year celebrations.

Regardless in china plus in overseas Chinese communities, they can call it chinese new year in English if they choose to. And they have already clearly taken "Chinese New Year" as their English name for their festival for a long time now, if you look at Melbourne, 626, San Francisco, Singapore, etc. Every ethnic group reserves the right to call their own lunar Festival what they want. But you can not choose to name it for them. That's not your place.

120.18.231.71 (talk) 03:26, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

I see no problem with the use of "Chinese New Year"

Because the lunar calendar was invented by the Chinese in their ancient time, according to Shi Ji(the most reliable history record of Chinese history before the Han Dynasty), and can be traced back to the time of Huang Di(The Yellow Emperor) who lived in the era around 2500-3000 BC. That is a history of about 5,000 years or more. So the Chinese have no doubt own the credit. Do not let politics, jealousy or racism blind your wisdom ,guys. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Berubenc (talk • contribs) 03:45, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Are you saying that the Chinese invented every lunar calendar or only the ones used in East Asia? Surely they didn't invent the Jewish or Islamic calendars.MidlandLinda (talk) 13:41, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

By that logic, it is even more ridiculous to say "Lunar New Year" instead of "Chinese New Year," as Chinese certainly did not invent all lunar calendars. However, it should be noted that the lunar new year celebrations in many East Asian countries are directly derived from the original Chinese New Year; therefore it is best to call the festival "Chinese New Year" or "Spring Festival."

Furthermore, it should be noted that this article discusses mostly about Chinese celebration of the festival: the Japanese and Korean New Years are covered under their respective pages. ZhangYuu (talk) 23:42, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

This is not an issue of "racism", "jealousy", or "politics". This is an issue of Chinese culture inadvertently overshadowing and downplaying the culture of our countries (Tibet, Korea, Mongolia, Vietnam, and even Japan). Regardless of the festival's roots, the Lunar New Year is now unique to each of our cultures. And therefore, is not owned by China because of its origin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayoopdog (talk • contribs) 09:29, January 18, 2014

There is NO SINGLE lunar calendar. The Chinese calendar is very different from all other lunar calendars. Calling it the lunar new year, is disrespectful to other countries whose lunar calendars are different from the chinese lunar calendar..... I honestly don't see what is the big deal. If you read the Wikipedia article thoroughly, Chinese New Year is celebrated in either China or in places with large population of oversea chinese communities ...Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, California, Sydney etc. There the large number of chinese ethnics celebrate their chinese new year. Of course sometimes non chinese locals of Phillipines, india, etc freely join in the festivities. China is not overshadowing anyone. It is just that they have a wide oversea chinese communities around the world and chinese have every right to call their own unique lunar year festival what they want. It's their own traditional lunar year celebration with their chinese customs. Just because it's now more famous than other ethnic group's lunar new year celebrations, is not a good excuse to standardise it. That is just jealousy plain and ugly.

Currently the chinese communities in America, Australia, Singapore indisputably call it "Chinese New year" in English. So English Wikipedia should keep that.

120.18.231.71 (talk) 05:54, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.18.231.71 (talk) 05:51, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Erroneous text about use of Metonic cycle in the Chinese calendar

Under the heading "Dates in Chinese lunisolar calendar", this sentence is giving a wrong description of the Chinese intercalations: "The traditional Chinese calendar follows a Metonic cycle, a system [also] used by the modern Jewish Calendar, and returns to the same date in Gregorian calendar roughly.". This "method" of approximating the solar year by having seven "leap" months every nineteen years is NOT used in the Chinese calendar nowadays. Helmer Aslaksen in Singapore, a well-known expert on the Chinese calendar, correctly gives that the Metonic cycle "was used in the Chinese calendar before 104 BCE [i.e. more than 2100 years ago!]" in his "The Mathematics of the Chinese Calendar." (2010; http://www.math.nus.edu.sg/~mathelmr/calendar/cal.pdf), Section 3.1 "The year" (p. 9). I have no idea about who introduced this completely wrong sentence into this Wikipedia page, but unless somebody can point to a "better" reference which show that Aslaksen (2010) was wrong, I suggest the removal of this wrong sentence very soon. /Erik Ljungstrand (Sweden) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.241.158.201 (talk) 11:00, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Ethnic Chinese

What is this? What is "Ethnic Chinese"? Anyone can be Chinese. Being Chinese is about being diverse and having good social credit score; obeying the law.EvolianAlbannach (talk) 02:31, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

"Ethnic Chinese and non-Chinese people worldwide"

I'm a non-Chinese person living "worldwide", but I don't observe. There also billions of other people who don't, either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.2.84.141 (talk) 15:20, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

I think it's past time to rename.

I genuinely don't think I've heard it called "Chinese New Year" by a reputable source since the oughts. Between this and Kiev (although that's both more recent and suffers from Ukrainians crying wolf), Wikipedia is starting to feel like a racist uncle. Twin Bird (talk) 06:50, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Using 'Chinese New Year' as a generic name for Lunar New Year is like saying 'Italian Christmas' instead of just 'Christmas' -- it's both inappropriately specific, and it excludes other countries that celebrate this holiday.

Even though Christmas originated in Italy in the 3rd century AD, we don't call it 'Italian Christmas', we just say 'Christmas'. Every country that celebrates Christmas has unique Christmas customs that make it their own, but they all refer to the holiday as Christmas, not Italian Christmas or German Christmas, etc., as that would be inappropriately specific. So, too, would it be inappropriate for China to lay claim to exclusive ownership of the Lunar New Year, when it is celebrated and embraced as their own in so many countries across Asia.

This issue has become particularly close to my heart since my husband and I adopted our daughter from Vietnam in 2010. We have gone to great lengths to teach her to celebrate and be proud of her cultural heritage. She attends Vietnamese language classes, we have Vietnamese art in our home, we often eat Vietnamese food, and we attend Vietnamese cultural events, including Lunar New Year parties, and it does not engender a sense of pride or inclusion in our daughter when she hears the most important holiday of her cultural heritage referred to as exclusively "Chinese". I have checked with Vietnamese friends, and they assure me they don't call this holiday Chinese New Year, they call it Lunar New Year.

Because of our daughter, my husband and I have advocated on this issue to many large organizations, and we are pleased to report that once they know about this subtle but important point, they have universally converted to 'Lunar New Year' as soon as we explained the situation to them.

No judgement of anyone who hadn't previously thought this through, because, in all honesty, before we adopted our daughter, we were oblivious to the issue as well!

2001:569:7CBD:A500:6521:ACFB:92DC:FDA8 (talk) 09:02, 25 January 2020 (UTC) January 25, 2020

Except this article is about the Chinese holiday. Lunar New Year has its own article, and so do Korean New Year and Vietnamese Tết. -Zanhe (talk) 09:13, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Why is Tibet listed as one of "China's neighbours"?

Isn't Tibet part of China? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:9880:2058:99:BDD9:22FF:1E26:65CC (talk) 19:26, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Rephrased. Sleath56 (talk) 02:47, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

First day

Hong Kong is a SAR of China, not a city-state. Mentioning it in the same sentence with Singapore, which is a city-state, is problematic. They are politically different entities.--2001:16B8:3120:400:7D88:F942:3A6A:1B7F (talk) 20:20, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

"Hokkien, Chaozhou, and Fujian dialects"

This phrase is redundant. "Hokkien" is literally the same word as "Fujian" in Southern Min, the dialect group that also covers the city of Chaozhou. Also not every dialect in Fujian is considered part of the Min group. --2001:16B8:3120:400:7D88:F942:3A6A:1B7F (talk) 20:29, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Fifteenth day

Again, there is no such thing as one Fujian dialect. Varieties of Gan, Hakka, Min and Wu are present in this province. Min is the predominant form, but it is further divided into many mutually unintelligible subdialects. You have to specify the variety. After reading just a few passages, I have found so many factually incorrect and vague descriptions. The rest of the article is probably even a bigger mess. Sadly one can't go over it and improve it because half of the times, it is not clear what is being referred to. --2001:16B8:3120:400:7D88:F942:3A6A:1B7F (talk) 20:53, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 February 2021

History section needs some cleanup, lowest hanging fruit including these spelling corrections: change "inverted" to "invented" in 6th (?) paragraph change "loader" to "louder" in the second to last paragraph Mariehuynh (talk) 11:30, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done. I fixed the low hanging fruit and added the {{copy edit section}} template on the section, I might try and fix some more things later if I have the time. If you want, you could apply to be a confirmed user over at WP:PERM and try and fix the grammar yourself if accepted. Volteer1 (talk) 11:50, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Red Packet

References to red packet should be replaced with the "Red envelope" and reference to the wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_envelope should be given so that it is clearer to understand what is being referenced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HomoCurioso (talk • contribs) 14:29, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Chinese New Year is not lunar

Chinese New Year is lunisolar not lunar. "Lunar New Year" is also an awful name because other lunar/lunisolar calendars have completely different New Year dates e.g. Hebrew calendar (September 6, 2021), Islamic calendar (August 9, 2021) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kylinki (talk • contribs) 22:25, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

1) in common English parlance, "lunar" (in relation to calendars) almost exclusively means "lunisolar" (and indeed, probably the vast majority of English speakers have no idea what lunisolar even means). 2) I completely agree, "lunar new year" is not at all a good name: it is what nearly all (American, anyway) calendars say these days, though. It is, though, the only lunar new year that is called "new year" and gets any attention paid to it (occasionally you'll hear of "Jewish New Year" called by that name, but Rosh Hashana is more common by far). Muslim/Arabic New Year is not noted on our calendars. (Ramadan is typically the only observance from the Arabic calendar that is listed on mainstream western wall calendars; almanacs are more comprehensive.) Firejuggler86 (talk) 19:33, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Table for Chinese New Year Dates

There is a table that should be added to the Wiki page. It has been there for a long time but recently it was deleted. Attempts to restore it have failed as other users have constantly undid the edits. The table actually gives a comprehensive and detailed list of Chinese New Year dates from AD1912 to AD2120, and there is no reason why it should not be present. Below is the mentioned table. Chong Yi Lam (talk) 12:17, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

• That table is gorgeous, and clearly it was a labor of love. With some effort it is possible to figure it out. But it is hardly possible to read that table for conventional purposes: to find the holiday date for a particular year.
• The same edit removed that table plus the more conventionally-readable tables with a hundred years of dates. I put the first 50 years below.
• I'm going to suggest a new article Chinese New Year dates. These tables can be the nucleus. Chinese New Year Dates would be linked-to from the Chinese New Year-related articles (there are several) and the Chinese lunar calendar article. This is similar in spirit, I think, to some of the list articles.
• (I took the liberty to reorganize so the tables are below the discussion text.) --M.boli (talk) 14:19, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

A version of the table has been on the page since at least 2014; and, so, WP:STATUSQUO arguably would allow the table to stand (its initial removal this year was on 16:54, 12 September 2021‎). However, it is a lot of unsourced detail, more than at Chinese calendar, Republic of China calendar, or even Chinese zodiac, which we used to, but no longer, link to just before the small table that gives zodiacal signs for this and the next eleven years. That zodiac article is where such tables exist, with, no doubt, better sourcing, and add to it if further detail is needed, not to this article, which is about the celebrations around the new year. Dhtwiki (talk) 10:03, 27 November 2021 (UTC) (edited 12:55, 27 November 2021 (UTC))

As nobody has yet commented on the accuracy or the source of the deleted table it may be useful to point out that it is based on the assumption that Chinese New Year dates in the Gregorian calendar repeat exactly in every 19 years.

This is only approximately true. Taking 2022 as an example, the deleted table predicts that the Chinese New Year will be on 1 February which agrees with the date given in the Gregorian-Lunar Calendar Conversion Table of Hong Kong Observatory. The deleted table also predicts the same date (1 February) for the years 1927, 1946, 1965, 1984, 2003, 2041, 2060, 2079 and 2098.

However, this agrees with the HKO tables only for the years 2003, 2022, 2041 and 2098. For the years 1927, 1946, 1965, 1984, 2060 and 2079 the HKO tables actually give 2 February.

Unless an actual source is given and a warning that the tabulated dates are only approximate, the table should not be re-instated in any form. AstroLynx (talk) 13:12, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

The +/− one day discrepancies are footnoted. Which reinforces the observation that the table is extremely hard to read, and not useful for most purposes. I retract my suggestion that the deleted tables deserve a separate article. --M.boli (talk) 13:41, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Good catch, I did not see the +/- 1 day footnote at the bottom of the table. Still, looking up the date for a particular Chinese year is not easy and I agree that for most purposes the table is not very useful. However, the table could be more useful if the source of the table is mentioned and a western year number is added to each cell. AstroLynx (talk) 14:41, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Table organized by Gregorian Month-Day and Zodiac cycle, suggested by Chong Yi Lam

The date of Chinese New Year's Day (1912–2120) with Chinese year name and zodiac

Year Date	1–19AM#	20–38AM	39–57AM	58–76AM	77–95AM	96–114AM	115–133AM	134–152AM	153–171AM	172–190AM	191–209AM
	1912–1930	1931–1949	1950–1968	1969–1987	1988–2006	2007–2025	2026–2044	2045–2063	2064–2082	2083–2101	2102–2120
18 Feb	Rat Rénzǐ	Goat Xīnwèi −	Tiger Gēngyín −	Rooster Jǐyǒu −	Dragon Wùchén −	Pig Dīnghaì	Horse Bǐngwǔ −	Ox Yǐchǒu −	Monkey Jiǎshēn −	Rabbit Guǐmǎo −	Dog Rénxū −
6 Feb	Ox Guǐchǒu	Monkey Rénshēn	Rabbit Xīnmǎo	Dog Gēngxū	Snake Jǐsì	Rat Wùzǐ +	Goat Dīngwèi	Tiger Bǐngyín	Rooster Yǐyǒu −	Dragon Jiǎchén	Pig Guǐhaì +
27 Jan	Tiger Jiǎyín −	Rooster Guǐyǒu −	Dragon Rénchén	Pig Xīnhaì	Horse Gēngwǔ	Ox Jǐchǒu −	Monkey Wùshēn −	Rabbit Dīngmǎo −	Dog Bǐngxū −	Snake Yǐsì −	Rat Jiǎzǐ +
14 Feb	Rabbit Yǐmǎo	Dog Jiǎxū	Snake Guǐsì	Rat Rénzǐ +	Goat Xīnwèi +	Tiger Gēngyín	Rooster Jǐyǒu −	Dragon Wùchén	Pig Dīnghaì	Horse Bǐngwǔ	Ox Yǐchǒu +
3 Feb	Dragon Bǐngchén	Pig Yǐhaì +	Horse Jiǎwǔ	Ox Guǐchǒu	Monkey Rénshēn +	Rabbit Xīnmǎo	Dog Gēngxū	Snake Jǐsì −	Rat Wùzǐ	Goat Dīngwèi	Tiger Bǐngyín +
24 Jan	Snake Dīngsì −	Rat Bǐngzǐ	Goat Yǐwèi	Tiger Jiǎyín −	Rooster Guǐyǒu −	Dragon Rénchén −	Pig Xīnhaì −	Horse Gēngwǔ −	Ox Jǐchǒu −	Monkey Wùshēn	Rabbit Dīngmǎo
11 Feb	Horse Wùwǔ	Ox Dīngchǒu	Monkey Bǐngshēn +	Rabbit Yǐmǎo	Dog Jiǎxū −	Snake Guǐsì −	Rat Rénzǐ	Goat Xīnwèi	Tiger Gēngyín	Rooster Jǐyǒu −	Dragon Wùchén +
31 Jan	Goat Jǐwèi +	Tiger Wùyín	Rooster Dīngyǒu	Dragon Bǐngchén	Pig Yǐhaì	Horse Jiǎwǔ	Ox Guǐchǒu	Monkey Rénshēn +	Rabbit Xīnmǎo	Dog Gēngxū −	Snake Jǐsì
19 Feb	Monkey Gēngshēn +	Rabbit Jǐmǎo	Dog Wùxū −	Snake Dīngsì −	Rat Bǐngzǐ	Goat Yǐwèi	Tiger Jiǎyín	Rooster Guǐyǒu	Dragon Rénchén	Pig Xīnhaì −	Horse Gēngwǔ
7 Feb	Rooster Xīnyǒu +	Dragon Gēngchén +	Pig Jǐhaì +	Horse Wùwǔ	Ox Dīngchǒu	Monkey Bǐngshēn +	Rabbit Yǐmǎo +	Dog Jiǎxū +	Snake Guǐsì	Rat Rénzǐ	Goat Xīnwèi +
28 Jan	Dog Rénxū	Snake Xīnsì −	Rat Gēngzǐ	Goat Jǐwèi	Tiger Wùyín	Rooster Dīngyǒu	Dragon Bǐngchén	Pig Yǐhaì	Horse Jiǎwǔ −	Ox Guǐchǒu −	Monkey Rénshēn +
16 Feb	Pig Guǐhaì	Horse Rénwǔ −	Ox Xīnchǒu	Monkey Gēngshēn	Rabbit Jǐmǎo	Dog Wùxū	Snake Dīngsì −	Rat Bǐngzǐ −	Goat Yǐwèi −	Tiger Jiǎyín −	Rooster Guǐyǒu
5 Feb	Rat Jiǎzǐ	Goat Guǐwèi	Tiger Rényín	Rooster Xīnyǒu	Dragon Gēngchén	Pig Jǐhaì	Horse Wùwǔ −	Ox Dīngchǒu −	Monkey Bǐngshēn	Rabbit Yǐmǎo	Dog Jiǎxū +
25 Jan	Ox Yǐchǒu −	Monkey Jiǎshēn	Rabbit Guǐmǎo	Dog Rénxū	Snake Xīnsì −	Rat Gēngzǐ	Goat Jǐwèi −	Tiger Wùyín −	Rooster Dīngyǒu −	Dragon Bǐngchén	Pig Yǐhaì +
13 Feb	Tiger Bǐngyín	Rooster Yǐyǒu	Dragon Jiǎchén	Pig Guǐhaì	Horse Rénwǔ −	Ox Xīnchǒu −	Monkey Gēngshēn −	Rabbit Jǐmǎo −	Dog Wùxū −	Snake Dīngsì −	Rat Bǐngzǐ +
1 Feb	Rabbit Dīngmǎo +	Dog Bǐngxū +	Snake Yǐsì +	Rat Jiǎzǐ +	Goat Guǐwèi	Tiger Rényín	Rooster Xīnyǒu	Dragon Gēngchén +	Pig Jǐhaì +	Horse Wùwǔ	Ox Dīngchǒu +
22 Jan	Dragon Wùchén +	Pig Dīnghaì	Horse Bǐngwǔ −	Ox Yǐchǒu 20 Feb	Monkey Jiǎshēn	Rabbit Guǐmǎo	Dog Rénxū	Snake Xīnsì −	Rat Gēngzǐ	Goat Jǐwèi −	Tiger Wùyín
9 Feb	Snake Jǐsì +	Rat Wùzǐ +	Goat Dīngwèi	Tiger Bǐngyín	Rooster Yǐyǒu	Dragon Jiǎchén +	Pig Guǐhaì +	Horse Rénwǔ	Ox Xīnchǒu	Monkey Gēngshēn	Rabbit Jǐmǎo +
30 Jan	Horse Gēngwǔ	Ox Jǐchǒu −	Monkey Wùshēn	Rabbit Dīngmǎo −	Dog Bǐngxū −	Snake Yǐsì −	Rat Jiǎzǐ	Goat Guǐwèi −	Tiger Rényín −	Rooster Xīnyǒu −	Dragon Gēngchén
Note+: a day later; Note−: a day earlier. Note#: AM=anno Mínguó

Table organized by Gregorian year for 50 years, deleted from article at the same time as the above table

Gregorian	Date	Animal	Day of the week		Gregorian	Date	Animal	Day of the week
2001	24 Jan	Snake	Wednesday		2026	17 Feb	Horse	Tuesday
2002	12 Feb	Horse	Tuesday		2027	6 Feb	Goat	Saturday
2003	1 Feb	Goat	Saturday		2028	26 Jan	Monkey	Wednesday
2004	22 Jan	Monkey	Thursday		2029	13 Feb	Rooster	Tuesday
2005	9 Feb	Rooster	Wednesday		2030	3 Feb	Dog	Sunday
2006	29 Jan	Dog	Sunday		2031	23 Jan	Pig	Thursday
2007	18 Feb	Pig	Sunday		2032	11 Feb	Rat	Wednesday
2008	7 Feb	Rat	Thursday		2033	31 Jan	Ox	Monday
2009	26 Jan	Ox	Monday		2034	19 Feb	Tiger	Sunday
2010	14 Feb	Tiger	Sunday		2035	8 Feb	Rabbit	Thursday
2011	3 Feb	Rabbit	Thursday		2036	28 Jan	Dragon	Monday
2012	23 Jan	Dragon	Monday		2037	15 Feb	Snake	Sunday
2013	10 Feb	Snake	Sunday		2038	4 Feb	Horse	Thursday
2014	31 Jan	Horse	Friday		2039	24 Jan	Goat	Monday
2015	19 Feb	Goat	Thursday		2040	12 Feb	Monkey	Sunday
2016	8 Feb	Monkey	Monday		2041	1 Feb	Rooster	Friday
2017	28 Jan	Rooster	Saturday		2042	22 Jan	Dog	Wednesday
2018	16 Feb	Dog	Friday		2043	10 Feb	Pig	Tuesday
2019	5 Feb	Pig	Tuesday		2044	30 Jan	Rat	Saturday
2020	25 Jan	Rat	Saturday		2045	17 Feb	Ox	Friday
2021	12 Feb	Ox	Friday		2046	6 Feb	Tiger	Tuesday
2022	1 Feb	Tiger	Tuesday		2047	26 Jan	Rabbit	Saturday
2023	22 Jan	Rabbit	Sunday		2048	14 Feb	Dragon	Friday
2024	10 Feb	Dragon	Saturday		2049	2 Feb	Snake	Tuesday
2025	29 Jan	Snake	Wednesday		2050	23 Jan	Horse	Sunday

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Chinese names

In China CNY is known as 春节，but shouldn't the term 农历新年 be given also, considering chunjie cannot be used in the SE Asia or Australia, New Zealand where there are significant overseas Chinese population? There is no spring in tropical countries and it is late summer/early autumn in the Southern hemisphere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.15.149.91 (talk) 11:13, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

It is in the "Chinese names" infobox. The lede paragraph is already very cluttered as it is, with multiple names written in Traditional and Simplified Chinese, and four dialectical romanisations for each one >_<. Firejuggler86 (talk) 19:44, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

The term 农历新年 is a good description for the original history of the festival, the Spring Festival is given to differ from new year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.79.119.3 (talk) 23:18, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Little New Year is a tiny stub

I just converted Little New Year from an inappropriate redirect to Lantern Festival into a small stub. It could very much use expansion or translation from the Chinese article, though. Anyone wanna take it up? With enough expansion, it could be sent to WP:DYK and appear on the Main Page. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:38, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 30 January 2022

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The result of the move request was: not moved per WP:SNOW. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 13:13, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

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Chinese New Year → Lunar New Year – It's high time that Wikipedia stops indirectly propping up Chinese propaganda of the totalitarian Chinese regime by equating a broad, diverse Eastern celebration as something exclusively Chinese. Here's hoping that Wikipedia hasn't been infiltrated by Chinese Communist Party (CCP) wumaos just yet. The Eastern world ≠ China. Therefore, the article should be appropriately renamed as such, which is Lunar New Year as the absolute compromise. Words matter. We do not call the conventional new year as the "Gregorian New Year" just because it's based on the Georgian calendar. 24.38.239.15 (talk) 18:55, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose. There is already an article located at Lunar New Year, and based on the Google Ngrams, "Chinese New Year" is the more common term. Rreagan007 (talk) 20:11, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. The article describes Chinese customs almost exclusively. Other countries have adopted this celebration from China, and it's the usual designation in places where it's an important celebration due to the presence of the Chinese diaspora. Besides, in China it's apparently known as "Spring Festival" not "Lunar New Year". Dhtwiki (talk) 23:13, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. English-speakers have been calling it "Chinese New Year", whether this is accurate or not, since long before the CCP was founded in 1921. A few examples: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. "Chinese" does not always mean "of or relating to the current People's Republic of China", which is a relatively recent development; using it in reference to the geographic area and people living in or from there long predates it. The article is about Chinese in the wider sense customs; new year customs in other East Asian cultures are only mentioned in relation to Chinese ones here, and they have their own articles elsewhere. Tempjrds (talk) 00:41, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. There is already a Lunar New Year article which gives a broad overview of the primary topic. The Chinese New Year article simply covers the traditions and customs that are exclusive to China, similar to how the Vietnamese New Year, Korean New Year and Mongolian New Year articles do for their respective countries.--Alza08 (talk) 01:17, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. The statement you have made above is western propaganda. Your intention is unclear on why getting rid of the word Chinese on information about Chinese culture is necessary. The English term Lunar New Year didn't appear on Wikipedia until 2015. The term was strictly referring to the Lunar calendar. Until recent years, in the western media, when they trying to market to east Asians during the Spring festival, they used the term Lunar New Year as an umbrella term to coin all the cultures together. I do believe the terms that you are using in your statement came from western propaganda. Please keep Wikipedia free of political intentions and personal gains. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.54.107.172 (talk) 06:20, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME, I've never heard the term "Lunar New Year" and Britannica uses "Chinese New Year". Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:00, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose – the Chinese calendar is hardly the only moon-based calendar in widespread use today, as shown by half the contents of Lunar New Year. Such a move would assert the Lunar New Year is primarily a Chinese phenomenon – contradicting nearly the entire move rationale, which, FWIW, is not backed up by any sort of Wikipedia policy. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 11:01, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose, with Snow you get egg roll. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:07, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

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Requested move 31 January 2022

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The result of the move request was: not moved as per WP:SNOW. (non-admin closure) —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 02:36, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

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Chinese New Year → ? – Something more neutral to tone down the propaganda. Maybe "Eastern New Year". 121.152.232.16 (talk) 16:01, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose and snow close per yesterday's discussion. 162 etc. (talk) 16:31, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose and speedy close. Too soon for another RM discussion. Rreagan007 (talk) 17:26, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per my previous comment, this seems to be the common name for this type of Lunar New Year. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:32, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. It's a name for the cultural festival based on the Chinese calendar celebrated in China and therefore isn't be propaganda. Furthermore, the festival has never been called "Eastern New Year". Lol1VNIO (talk) 18:03, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
• Snowclose again. Second verse, same as the first. O.N.R. ^(talk) 18:22, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose and snowclose per above. 180.242.3.33 (talk) 22:30, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
• Agree The word "Chinese" could inherently be used in malicious ways by the CCP. 126.63.209.72 (talk) 22:33, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. Acknowledging the fact that this holiday is celebrated almost entirely by the Chinese people isn't supporting the CCP. An anonymous username, not my real name (talk) 01:21, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. Stipulating to nearly all the above arguments, both ROC Taiwan and PRC agree on this date, and so does the worldwide overseas Chinese diaspora. There is no advantage to be had in current geopolitical disputes, which are unrelated to this. May we close and remove template from the page now, since tonight is the new years eve? Jaredscribe (talk) 02:27, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

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Requested move 1 February 2022

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The result of the move request was: Procedural close. per previous discussions (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 19:07, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

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Chinese New Year → ? – Any name that drops the term "Chinese" is good with me. This is not an exclusive Chinese celebration. Please stop this CCP propaganda. 220.120.186.247 (talk) 18:22, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

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Recent edits

@CentreLeftRight: in places such as Singapore and Malaysia, which are in Southeast Asia and has significant Chinese cultural influence and an overseas diaspora, it is very much called "Chinese New Year". Another example would also be for Indonesia. The citation for Okinawa, which was added by me and not by an anonymous user, explained that the continued celebration on the island was directly influenced by the one from China due to its history as the Ryukyu kingdom, and not something slightly distinct like the variants on Lunar New Year. In essence, the term "Chinese New Year" is officially used outside of China, especially in Southeast Asia, and is not a strictly "Chinese" holiday as only in China itself. Razali Osman (talk) 22:51, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

@Razali Osman: I reevaluated my edits and I am certain you will be in agreement with the (new) changes I kept (compare). I addressed the problems you pointed out and the rest of the edit (I made) should be obvious maintenance / grammatical corrections. If you want me to clarify for a specific part of it, leave me a reply. CentreLeftRight ✉ 23:00, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

@CentreLeftRight: Seems fine by me. It's just that in these countries/regions, it specifically refers to and is based on the same Chinese calendar, no different to China itself. This is why it wouldn't be exactly accurate to assume that these celebrations are Lunar New Year or something else (like how's it celebrated in Korea or Vietnam), and not Chinese New Year, hence why they should be reflected here just as prominently. Razali Osman (talk) 23:08, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

@Razali Osman: I did not read carefully enough the material I removed the first time, which caused a misunderstanding as my intention was the same as your explanation above. CentreLeftRight ✉ 23:33, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Naming conventions in the introduction.

I noticed that the festival is referred to as the Lunar New Year and bolded as such in the introduction, which to me as a reader suggests a pre-minence in naming. I understand calling the general set of traditions in various ethnicities surrounding the lunisolar new year as Lunar New Year, since it is shared among different ethnicities. This article seems to specifically be about the Chinese tradition - shouldn't it still be called the Chinese New Year? If the common argument is that the lunisolar new year celebrations of the different ethnicities are actually different holidays/festivals, then to label the Chinese New Year the "Lunar New Year" in the article specifically about the Chinese variant could easily be misinterpreted as once again saying that they are all the same festival. 67.225.31.68 (talk) 16:32, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Dates in Gregorian calendar

Why dates in Gregorian calendar are given for the current year and future ones only, and not for past ones? Meridiana solare (talk) 11:14, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 20 January 2023

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The result of the move request was: Procedural close. No valid rationale presented by nominator for requested move. Rreagan007 (talk) 20:23, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

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Chinese New Year → Eastern New Year – It is not a Chinese celebration. 117.58.154.100 (talk) 16:36, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

• Strong oppose per WP:COMMONNAME and also this very article. IP Clearly did not do any research. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:38, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

  Many other countries in Asia also celebrates this. It is not inherently Chinese. 117.58.154.100 (talk) 16:40, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

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Cant‘t change the Article but

The 3d Februar 2030 Date should be 2nd Februar 2030. Best regards. 2003:CA:5F1D:4D00:16D:A37A:D3A3:E171 (talk) 19:11, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

I've looked at a couple of references (1 and 2), neither of which seems to be at the article, whose table seems unsourced. However, both agree that the new year in 2030 will begin on 3 February. Dhtwiki (talk) 01:03, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

2024 date

In Special:Diff/1134402969, the 2024 date was changed from 31 January to 10 February, without explanation and without a citation, which caused some confusion for people relying on this article.

The top results in my web search ([5], [6], [7]) agree that it should be 10 February. But the way this change was implemented seems to be wrong. In addition to lacking a citation, this change hard codes the date into the article, instead of using templates like the other dates.

Can someone more experienced with Wikipedia check? Pinging @Taiwanexplorer36051. Brianjd (talk) 08:51, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Okay. I'm going to add a citation. Taiwanexplorer36051 (talk) 09:04, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

I hard-coded the date into the article because I couldn't find the template for the date. Taiwanexplorer36051 (talk) 09:10, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

The template to use is {{Calendar date|holiday=...}}. You put the name of the holiday and it produces the date. However I found there is a bug in the Wikipedia code for lunar calendar computations for 2024. User @GreenC: eventually tracked it down to template {{ctime:x}}.

• Check out the talk page for template {{ctime:x}} for bug report with examples: Template talk:ctime:x.
• My initial report of buggy {{Calendar date|holiday=...}} was related to Mid-Autumn festival: Template talk:Calendar date#Chuseok / Tsukimi / Mid-autumn festival calculated dates are wrong for 2024.
• After GreenC drilled down and found the bug is actually in ctime:x, we also mentioned it at Village Pump Technical: Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 199#Bug in movable lunar calendar calculations.
• I didn't know how to read the code in ctime:x. Also it is one of many templates in Category:Chinese traditional date templates. Maybe the bug actually lives in a related template or is repeated in several.

That is why 2024 lunar dates should be hard-coded, until it is fixed.

Maybe, now that 2024 is just over the horizon, we can raise the issue again at Village Pump (technical), or some other appropriate forum. -- M.boli (talk) 10:33, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

I opened a new thread Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_203#Bug_in_ctime -- GreenC 15:33, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

User:M.boli, if this problem becomes unfixable, the dates can be hard-coded in a file so that Template:Calendar date can still be used. See for example in Module:Calendar date/events the entry for "Hanukkah" uses a "localfile" which is Module:Calendar date/localfiles/Hanukkah. It would be easier than Hanukkah because the Chinese New Year is a single entry per year. -- GreenC 17:26, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

@M.boli:, according to User_talk:NmWTfs85lXusaybq#"twk", this bug may have been fixed. It does appear to be the case by looking at the examples here. The fixes were made in different templates the diffs are in the "twk" talk page link. -- GreenC 21:02, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 February 2024

Tết Nguyên Đán (Vietnamese New Year) Hlng (talk) 06:05, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 07:51, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Year 2033 problem

Is anyone motivated to create Year 2033 problem? This is the case where the simple rule Chinese New Year falls on the day of the second new Moon after the December solstice on approximately December 22. In 2033 this rule will fail for the first time since 1645 (the last calendar reform).

Is it a real problem? Do any significant computer systems depend on it, or do they all just use Gregorian? Has any wp:reliable source identified it as worth worrying about? (Despite claims that the year 2000 problem was a damp firework, it was only minor because a lot of work was done to prevent it becoming an issue.) --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 11:03, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

For the Chinese calendar, the main reason it was a problem is because the correct rules weren't well known until the 1990s, but if implemented correctly there's no issue. Regarding computer systems, since the civil calendar is Gregorian the problem basically only affects almanacs that try to compute traditional holidays etc., so it's not that big a deal (or so I infer from the Chinese article at zh:2033年問題).

The Japanese lunisolar calendar has a different set of rules, however, and applying those rules literally would give two leap months (months 7 and 11) while skipping month 10; the Hindu calendar can skip months ("kshaya" months), but there is no such provision in the Chinese/Japanese calendar. Since the calendar isn't used for any official purpose anymore, there's no body that regulates it and so no official resolution. (See the Japanese article at ja:旧暦2033年問題.) For a source in English, "Adjusting Calculations to the Ideal in the Chinese and Japanese Calendars" by Susan Tsumura in Living the Lunar Calendar (2012) discusses this briefly, suggesting that opinion leans towards having a leap month 11 (it also discusses periods when the official Chinese calendar makers forgot the correct rule and put leap months in the wrong place.) Arcorann (talk) 10:18, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

References

𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 11:03, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Lunar New Year

@Yue You said that Lunar New Year is a "Western construction" for Chinese New year. As a Chinese person, can you clarify the sentence below the infobox that says "Chinese New year has strongly influenced Lunar New Year celebrations of [China's] 56 ethnic groups"? That, along with the fact that Chinese new year takes place on the beginning of a new year on the traditional lunisolar Chinese calendar, is what drove my edit. TROPtastic (talk) 20:45, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

@TROPtastic: The grouping of "Lunar New Year" is an external label commonly used by non-Asian communities or Asian enclave communities outside of Asia. No culture that celebrates Chinese New Year or a similar festival calls their celebrations on the lunisolar calendar "Lunar New Year" in their own languages. Chinese New Year is a celebration that falls under the external label of "Lunar New Year", but it isn't a version of Lunar New Year, because Lunar New Year itself isn't an actual event.

The sentence referencing the 56 ethnic groups recognised by the PRC government is also inaccurate and probably assumed, because the 56 ethnic groups include several ethnicities outside the influence of Sinosphere, such as Muslim Uyghurs and Christian Russians, who do not have lunisolar or lunar celebrations. Yue🌙 23:14, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your expert reply. I understand now that calling Chinese New Year "Lunar New Year" or "a [version of] Lunar New Year" is inaccurate, so reverting my edit was appropriate. Since most readers of the English-language article are coming here to presumably learn more about CNY, I think it would be useful to have some sort of description that says that CNY falls under the label of Lunar New Year but summarizes what you have said. This would increase the utility of the article to newcomers to Chinese culture, in my view.

What are your thoughts on something like:

Chinese New Year is one of the most important holidays in Chinese culture and has influenced similar celebrations that have received the external label of "Lunar New Year", such as the Losar of Tibet, the Tết of Vietnam, the Korean New Year, and the Ryukyu New Year.

I am not attached to the exact wording, but given that the click-through rate on Wikipedia inter-article links is generally well less than 50% of impressions, I think using the words "Lunar New Year" in an appropriate context would be valuable to the article. The wording I chose hopefully reflects the fact that Lunar New Year is a label primarily from non-Asian communities. TROPtastic (talk) 01:20, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 February 2024

Yunshu Mao (talk) 23:52, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Chinese New Year is belongs to China, not Korea.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Remsense诉 00:17, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 February 2024

MenacetoSociety44 (talk) 01:48, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

美味的小孩子們 which is a direct translation of "Happy Chinese New Year."

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. - FlightTime (open channel) 01:50, 13 February 2024 (UTC)