Talk:Déjà Vu (Beyoncé song)

Freemasons Remix

Should this article mention that it's the Freemasons Remix of the song that took it to number one on the charts? In the UK, the BBC only played the remix.

Cover of J.Lo song?

Rebirth This page doesn't mention that this is a cover of a song by Jennifer Lopez Or is the page about her album rebirth lying??

Uh.. no mention of the fat that the song has no Longevity on the charts

Wrong spelling in title

In the cover, one can read Déjà vu, not Deja vu. The former spelling is the correct French one, btw —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.139.18.30 (talk) 13:37, 17 February 2007 (UTC).

Accurate date

What's the accurate date of recording? Did Beyonce records Deja Vu during the B'Day sessions after she finished Dreamgirls? --BritandBeyonce (talk) 12:38, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Content removal

This is unsourced:

Beyoncé talked about "Déjà Vu"'s video on MTV's Total Request Live. She stated that the main inspiration for her choreography was Josephine Baker. She told another interviewer that Tina Turner was another inspiration for the intense choreography. During the making of the video for "Déjà Vu", Beyoncé recalled being in swamps dodging alligators, snakes and bees. She revealed that she "decided to go to Louisiana because it has a soul that a studio can't give you. We were in the swamps. Literally, there were alligators, snakes, bees, and wasps. The song is about her seeing unreal images because of the absence of her lover. It was 105 degrees. All of that sweat in the video is real. That's not some spritzer. That's real."

--BritandBeyonce (talk) 09:12, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

GA on hold

• "The remix was nominated at the 2007 Grammy Awards for "Best Remixed Recording, Non-Classical" - not sure this belongs in the background section
• "Subsequently, the instruments plays after it is being mentioned," - that should be singular, right?
• "The bridge applies for a more emotional[13]" - need punctuation before the ref
• "feedbacks from contemporary critics." - feedback = singular
• The comments from the reviews are *really* short - surely you could talk a bit more about what each reivewer thought...

Leave a note on my talk page when you're done. Dihydrogen Monoxide (party) 01:41, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Y Done. For the reviews, reliable sources are very limited. Anyway, I'll expand that as long as I can find new sources. --BritandBeyonce (talk) 03:11, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Some album reviews may also discuss the song. Dihydrogen Monoxide (party) 03:16, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh. I'm a bit late DM. I've added some. Thanks for the review. --BritandBeyonce (talk) 03:49, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

The article

I'm most impressed with this article. It is very engaging and very well-written. I changed what minor edits needed to be made, so I can't see any major problems with it. The only concern I have is that the review section sounds a bit "listy", as in, "She said this, he said this, they said that." How about linking them? Such as, "she said this. Similarly, she said this. This idea was echoed/repeated by Mary Kate of the Washington Post, who also stated that..." Stuff like that.

Also, do we have another screen shot of the video? I think there's a scene where she knelt down in front of him and held on to his belt (or something like that). That pic would be great. Other than than, I think this article even surpasses "Irreplaceable". Orane (talk) 04:03, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Wooh! Thanks Orane. Thanks for the help. Thanks for the barnstar. =) About the reception secion, I will do what I can and upload another image. I was thinking of that image too because I read an article saying that Knowles is somewhat or about to give fellatio to Jay-Z. My concern is that during this time, Jay-Z is not seen; only Knowles and his belt. But I will try to upload and let see the effect. --Efe (talk) 05:11, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

live instrumentation

I downplayed the use of this phrase. I understand it is intended to convey that no sampling was used on the track, but if not in the right context it could be taken to refer to live performances of the song. Also, the 808 is a programmed drum machine, and would not usually be referred to as live instrumentation in a studio setting, which could contribute to confusion. Hopefully the article is less ambiguous on this point now. It might still be good to find a source that deals with this in clear terms, allhiphop's "purely instrumental" still leaves room for confusion though beyonce's quote is good. 86.44.27.243 (talk) 19:02, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, I was reverted so as of now the above "downplaying" isn't in the article. 86.44.27.243 (talk) 19:42, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I will handle this later. I am really busy in school. --Efe (talk) 01:08, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Pre-FAC feedback

It was requested that I leave feedback here before another push for FAC. I haven't had time to look at the entire entire, but I see that all the feedback from the last FAC has not been addressed. That should be considered a showstopper for bringing this back to FAC. For example, I left feedback criticizing the "Music and Lyrics" heading and it still contains errors. You cannot use the sheet music as a source, and the information you gleaned from it is incorrect anyway. I am also disappointed that no one else has worked on the article since the last FAC—it badly needs a fresh pair of eyes to copy-edit. I would not consider supporting this article until:

• The errors in the Music and Lyrics section are fixed and sourced properly.
• The article has been copy-edited by someone new.

--Laser brain (talk) 23:14, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the input. Regarding the sheet music, most song-related FAs rely largely on it. --Efe (talk) 23:52, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Such as? I looked at Hey Jude and I only see two things sourced to the sheet music. I still consider it a primary sources, and the fact that you got it wrong indicates that you should be relying on secondary sources for that information. --Laser brain (talk) 03:42, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

These are the only lines supported by the sheet music: "...performed in a moderate hip hop groove. The song is composed in the key of B major with a beat set in common time." Also, a sheet music is a secondary source. --Efe (talk) 07:29, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. You are making interpretations that are incorrect and considered original research. They will not stand at FAC. The song is not in B major, and the "beat" is not "set in common time". You can continue arguing with me, but again, this is OR and will not stand at FAC. --Laser brain (talk) 13:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

So you are saying that the music sheet is a crap? --Efe (talk) 03:38, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I will not argue if you can provide a source or defend your claim that its not in the B major key as well as its beat. --Efe (talk) 03:38, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

No, I'm not saying the sheet music is crap, I'm saying whoever looked at it to get information doesn't know what they're doing. Just look up B major and you will see that it has a different key signature. The song is in B-flat major. Also, you are confusing "beat" with "time signature". The time signature is 4/4, or common time. Ask anyone who knows anything about music. --Laser brain (talk) 13:40, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

"doesn't know what they're doin"...hmm. That's quite harsh. Anyway, I rechecked the sheet music, the sheet itself and not the web/site that supports the text, its B-flat major. Now changed. More concerns? Thanks. --Efe (talk) 09:23, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Comments by Realist²

I will just add things one by one.

• You need to expand the description details on the audio sample, see the descriptions provided on the samples in Michael Jackson and Janet Jackson. Giggy came down hard on this at the M.Jackson FA review. — Realist² 01:33, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
  • You mean the fair use? --Efe (talk) 09:23, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
    • The sample gives a description for the reader which is currently: "Déjà Vu" employs various live instrumentation with bass guitar dominating. - This description isn't detailed enough, look at the MJ and JJ article to see good examples. — Realist² 14:55, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
• Knowles approached English production team Freemasons to remix "Déjà Vu". A club-oriented version was produced and appeared on the team's debut album, Shakedown, released in 2007. A maxi single, featuring the album version of the track and Freemasons club mix, was released on August 5 in Australia. — This needs sourcing, completely unsourced paragraph will stick out like a bruised thumb at FA review. — Realist² 01:35, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
  • It was sourced before but Sandy deemed the source not so reliable. It was supported by SONY BMG Australia site. --Efe (talk) 09:23, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
• Debuting at number forty-four, the single peaked at number four over a month on the chart.[29][30] — This sentence doesn't quite make sense. — Realist² 01:49, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Made simple now. --Efe (talk) 09:23, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
• "Déjà Vu" reached the top ten in less than ten European countries. — Give the exact number of countries that you know. — Realist² 01:52, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
  • I don't know where to get very reliable sources. --Efe (talk) 09:23, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
• Nonetheless, the video was awarded Best Video at the 2006 MOBO Awards.[27] — This sentence comes next to all the info about alleged "blow job" imagery. It kind of implies that the sexual complaints should/could/would somehow stop it getting awards. It is very unlikely that a music video woundn't get awards because it was sexually offensive to some. It might be best to remove the word "Nonetheless" to disconnect the two. Sexual imagery and awards are not interlinked from my knowledge. — Realist² 02:05, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
  • I merged that line in the preceding paragraph. Just a thought, it seems odd to end a prose with such line/word "fellatio". --Efe (talk) 09:23, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Just passing through with a brief comment if you don't mind– I think the lead should briefly say why the video displeased fans so much. The lead should be able to stand alone and it's a little puzzling as it is now. Regards, --Pawnkingthree (talk) 09:07, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

You mean the "petition" and the "why?" thing are hanging? I added some info in the lead; please check. Thanks for the comment. --Efe (talk) 11:15, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that's much clearer now. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:49, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. --Efe (talk) 06:49, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Comments by Orane

• From the onset, there is a bit of stilted language:

"A combination of contemporary R&B and '70s funk elements, "Déjà Vu"'s instrumentation is varied, including the bass guitar, hi-hat, horns and the Roland TR-808 drum machine." What are the elements ("R&B and funk elements")? How about removing "elements" altogether. Also, "Déjà Vu"'s instrumentation is varied, including..." Is there another way of stating this point? Eg. "The song comprises a variety of instruments, including ..."

Because of the precedent "combination". The second suggestion makes it longer, where in fact the first one is even specific/technical. Thoughts? --Efe (talk) 05:40, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• This is probably personal preference, but the intro doesn't even mention who wrote the song. Why?

Correct. Personal preference. And they're too many to mention. Do I have to add it? --Efe (talk) 05:40, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• The last sentence of the intro (the music video and petition) is awkward. I like it the way it was before: "The single's music video displeased fans, thousands of whom petitioned for it to be re-shot, citing..."

fixed as suggested. --Efe (talk) 05:40, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• As an interjection, I'm loving the new image the depicts the "unacceptable interaction".

Its the same clip used by other websites who have articles regarding the "unacceptable interaction" thing. --Efe (talk) 05:40, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• "..Rodney Jerkins—who had previously worked with Knowles' former group Destiny's Child— and composer John Webb "came up with..." Why the dash (after "jerkins")? How about using a comma to set apart this bit of info?

Because of the many subsequent commas. --Efe (talk) 05:40, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• Music and lyrics, third paragraph: ..."The sounds of the instruments blend as they are mentioned one after the other" Try "Sequentially" Or it's fine of you don't like that word. Synonyms could reduce wordiness.

I'll try to find other word but "one after the other" is more clearer. --Efe (talk) 05:40, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• I'm not liking the explanation of the sources within the article. Example "Total Request Live (TRL), a television show of the network MTV, and MTV Overdrive, MTV's broadband video channel..." and a couple others in the review section. It breaks the flow of the prose. If I want to know what TRL is, I'll just follow the Wikilink.

I tried to fix it. --Efe (talk) 05:40, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• Other than that, I really like this article, and it should pass this time. Again, good job. Orane (talk) 02:22, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. --Efe (talk) 05:40, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

"Belt detaching" Edit Session

The article stated that Beyonce detached Jay-Z's belt in the video. This is false, and because of that, I removed it.

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p309/oikaketekite/Other/dejavucapture1.png

This is the shot of concern. Below is the same shot, only I circled some things to higlight them.

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p309/oikaketekite/Other/dejavucapture.png

I have circled Jay-Z's belt in blue. You can see that it is not undone. I circled the end of the belt in green, to furthur show how the belt is not detached. What Beyonce did was yank on a strap that was hanging from Jay-Z's pants, which I circled in red. It wasn't his belt. The purple circle is to show where the strap is hooked onto Jay-Z's pants. Since she didn't undo his belt, I also removed the reference to the site that also claimed she detached his belt, because it's false. Along with these two, I corrected the review of the Deja Vu video from author Eb Haynes from Allhiphop. When talking about the Deja Vu video, he called it, "visually fresh, couture motivated"; The "pissed of Beyonce" remark was him talking about the Ring The Alarm video. This should make sense, being that A)Couture fashion is prominent in the Deja Vu video, and B)there's nothing remotely "pissed off" about Beyonce in the Deja Vu video, while there is very much a pissed of Beyonce in the Ring The Alarm video. ~ Surelyhuman (talk) 01:38, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for raising your concern. Although it seems an original research, the article cited did not actually mentione "best detaching" so I fixed some. --Efe (talk) 13:38, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

By the way, I have changed back the general reaction to the video as mixed. The petition is one of the negas. --Efe (talk) 13:42, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Release history

Where is it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by IHelpWhenICan (talk • contribs) 12:46 am, 12 July 2011

Déjà Vu (Beyoncé Knowles song)#Release. Adabow (talk · contribs) 05:15, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

This is a FA. And in such articles, we normally have (or had) this way of presenting release history. Jivesh • Talk2Me 06:13, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Its varies. And besides the info is incorporated on the prose. Thanks. --Efe (talk) 09:30, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Mark, don't you think you are a bit late. Lol. But better be late than never. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:50, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Spare

• http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_6150000/newsid_6153300/6153342.stm

★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:25, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

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