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A fact from Daniela Larreal appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 12 October 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that cyclist Daniela Larreal competed in five Olympic games for a country that later exiled her?
Latest comment: 2 months ago1 comment1 person in discussion
While it's not copy-pasted from the Wikipedia article, this has some close paraphrasing and follows the structure and info. Therefore, it is probably not suitable to use as a source per WP:CIRCULAR. Kingsif (talk) 13:31, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 1 month ago16 comments5 people in discussion
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
... that although cyclist Daniela Larreal thought in 2004 that she would only have a few more years in her career, she was preparing for the 2016 Summer Olympics when forced into exile?
@Kingsif: Note that if a subject is featured on ITN under Recent deaths, it remains eligible for DYK. DYK ineligibility only applies to bolded links in blurbs (so for example, Paetongtarn Shinawatra is ineligible for DYK for one year after the blurb was posted), but not to Recent deaths entries. With that in mind, are you sure you want to withdraw the nomination instead of allowing it to proceed? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:19, 24 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
TBH, I think your original thought made sense. The big picture of our rules is to show our readers a variety of topics. If we show them something that they've just seen in a different main page section, regardless of how we wiki-lawyer the exceptions, it's still going to be repetitive. RoySmith(talk)22:29, 24 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I don't see why that's an issue. RDs have run on DYK many times before and the rules explicitly allow for it. Besides, RD just shows a person's name whereas DYK gives more information, so they work differently and can co-exist. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:29, 27 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
It'll get accepted or it won't, I wanted to save someone the time reviewing this, but I guess the info's there that they could deny it anyway. Kingsif (talk) 21:58, 26 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Overall: As noted above, the DYK Criteria specifically allow for appearances in ITN's RD section (and OTD's deaths/births section). 5x expansion confirmed, Earwig detected no copyvio (with Spanish sources, so AGF). Hook facts were confirmed with Google translate. Original hook is interesting, but I'm wondering if it would be fruitful to play up the exile aspect... something like ALT1: ... that cyclist Daniela Larreal competed in five Olympic games for a country that exiled her? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Crisco 1492: I honestly don't have an opinion on that, though wouldn't have suggested it myself due to things like the Refugee Olympic Team and potential confusion. Your hook suggestion would need another reviewer, and I'm happy to wait for someone to do that if you think it's a good idea. Kingsif (talk) 21:35, 27 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I actually, I do think ALT1 is a better option than the original hook. ALT0 is rather complicated and long, while ALT1 is snappier and catchier and thus better meets the guidelines. I'm willing to approve ALT1 if both of you are okay with it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:56, 28 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Self-withdrawing as this is currently at ITN (as RD). Kingsif (talk) 22:28, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: If that's the case, happy to proceed with it, and I've struck my last comment. Kingsif (talk) 15:09, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
As noted above, the DYK Criteria specifically allow for appearances in ITN's RD section (and OTD's deaths/births section). 5x expansion confirmed, Earwig detected no copyvio (with Spanish sources, so AGF). Hook facts were confirmed with Google translate. Original hook is interesting, but I'm wondering if it would be fruitful to play up the exile aspect... something like ALT1: ... that cyclist Daniela Larreal competed in five Olympic games for a country that exiled her? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
I actually, I do think ALT1 is a better option than the original hook. ALT0 is rather complicated and long, while ALT1 is snappier and catchier and thus better meets the guidelines. I'm willing to approve ALT1 if both of you are okay with it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:56, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Thank you. I've struck ALT0 and am approving only ALT1; AGF on the Spanish-language source. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:28, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
