Talk:Donkey Kong (character)

Relevancy

I'm hoping to push this article into 100% relevancy when you search "donkey kong" we can obviously have a link at the top for the disambiguation page. the reason why should be obvious.76.27.215.219 (talk) 08:05, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

The original videogame is probably what most people are looking for, since it was a cultural phenomenon. The character is an offshoot of the game. 132.68.209.33 (talk) 07:37, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Disambig change

I propose that, since many people know DK as a classic video game and not as a major character, people would expect to see the original DK rather than the character DK or the DK series. - A Link to the Past (talk) 23:02, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Clearing up a common misconception about Donkey Kong's identity.

There has been a common misconception among Wikipedia editors that needs to be clear up. According to some editors, Nintendo of Japan does not recognized the current Donkey Kong introduced in Donkey Kong Country as a separate character from the original Donkey Kong from the arcade game. I will say that this is entirely false.

Looking at this article from Nintendo Online Magazine, uploaded in 2000 (during the release of Donkey Kong 64), Nintendo of Japan clearly recognizes the original Donkey Kong (now known as Cranky) and the current Donkey Kong as separate characters. Not only that, they also recognize Junior and the current Kong as separate characters.

According to this article. The Donkey Kong from the arcade game appears in a few games (including cameos) until the '94 Game Boy game. Afterwards, he becomes Cranky Kong in the Country series, while his grandson inherits the Donkey Kong name. http://www.nintendo.co.jp/nom/0002/01/family1.html

All the video games outside the Country series merely support this, from Super Smash Bros. and Mario Baseball, they're not revealing anything new. Jonny2x4 (talk) 19:33, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

This has been noted in the Wikipedia article several times. Relax. 89.138.196.99 (talk) 21:46, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm simply pointing out this fact in case anyone feels the need to bring up this (non-existing) contradiction between Nintendo and Rare. No need to tell "just relax" if you're not bringing up anything to discussion. Jonny2x4 (talk) 02:17, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Smash Bros., made entirely by Nintendo, also claims that Cranky Kong was the original Donkey Kong. What does Nintendo of Japan say regarding that? King Zeal (talk) 03:37, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

That's my point, Cranky is the original Donkey and the current Donkey is his grandson. That was never my argument. My argument is that Donkey is NOT the son of Cranky. The only evidence of Donkey Kong being the son of Cranky Kong in the games is when he calls him "son" in DK64 and that seems to be more of a term of endearment that an actual evidence in the stories of being his son. Jonny2x4 (talk) 05:10, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, Cranky Kong was married to current Donkey Kong's mother, Wrinkly Kong... 76.204.123.119 (talk) 16:07, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Does the "outward appearance" section sound dirty to anyone else?

I think it needs rewording. 89.139.158.222 (talk) 18:20, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it sounds dirty at all, but I do question why it is even needed... -Zomic13 (talk) 20:08, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Donkey Kong Photos

Please consider adding this gallery as a list of relevant photos about Donkey Kong: Snapshots of Donkey Kong from Super Smash Bros. Brawl RyanTMulligan (talk) 16:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

You also used that website as a citation instead of a reliable source. In this case, explain how exactly is a gallery of images relevant to the article and complies with WP:EL? « ₣M₣ » 16:05, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

List of appearances by date

It seems reasonable to change the "other appearances" section from prose to a list, preferably ordered by release date. Opinions?
85.250.159.6 (talk) 04:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Article cleanup

This article needs help. I recently moved some of the content from Appearances to "Characteristics". The "Appearances" needs more plot-info about what happened in the games. I think this article had a similar problem as Mario. They used to read like a series page, instead of a character page. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 23:45, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

"He is roughly twice the size of a normal gorilla, weighing approximately 800 pounds." - This seems pretty trivial, and is unsourced. Harry Blue5 (talk) 00:18, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

First game is Donkey Kong

Yes, I know the original Donkey Kong is Cranky, but this is just clutching at straws. It's misinforming people and confusing them with fanbase-specific hints which haven't even been officially confirmed. Donkey Kong's first game was Donkey Kong, that's why it's called Donkey Kong. To say it is DKC downplays his history and importance to the Mario series. The Cranky connection shouldn't even be mentioned outside of a "Trivia" section.

Telling people things that they don't know isn't "confusing". It's why this website exists. If someone got King George III confused with King George I and thought he was born in 1660 instead of 1738, then the fact that the page corrects this is helpful. Likewise, if someone confuses Donkey Kong III with Donkey Kong I, it would be better to correct it instead of further disseminating the error. Donkey Kong is not his own grandpa. — DanielLC 22:06, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

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Requested move 10 August 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. Primary topic cannot be ascertained from this discussion, but there is no need for a DAB ASAP as the franchise can serve as a broad-concept article. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:21, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

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• Donkey Kong (character) → Donkey Kong
• Donkey Kong → Donkey Kong (franchise)

– Donkey Kong as a character appears in two major franchises, Donkey Kong and Mario. The Mario franchise is way more popular than the Donkey Kong franchise, and a lot of people probably only know Donkey Kong as a character in Mario spin-off games. This is similar with the character of Yoshi, who is also a character in two major franchises, Mario and Yoshi, but he's more well known as a Mario character. I know some people will disagree, but this is just what I believe should happen. Thomasfan1000 (talk) 16:54, 10 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 20:04, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 22:02, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Fixed malformed multipage move request by resubstituting {{subst:requested move}} so page names in template matched those under. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 22:23, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose I don't see any argument to move the character to the base title over the franchise beyond "he's more known as a Mario character than on his own", which you offered no evidence for? Am I missing something? Yoshi is in a different situation, because the franchise article doesn't exist and redirects to a list of video games featuring it. Views wise, the franchise page gets triple more of 'em than the character too [1]. Doing some research, it seems like the DK franchise article doesn't mention a lot of things, such as the trading card game by Konami and various manga adaptations. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 08:25, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support. The Donkey Kong series is an ill-defined one at best, and Donkey Kong has consistently appeared in a large percentage of Mario games. --Eldomtom2 (talk) 10:34, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose Per Jovanmilic97. Views for the franchise are higher. Donkey Kong is a massive franchise, I don't know how it could be considered poorly defined. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:57, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

It's ill defined because Donkey Kong, the original arcade game, really has nothing to do with the Donkey Kong series as created by Donkey Kong Country. It's a Mario game. --Eldomtom2 (talk) 15:43, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Quite a bizarre comment there. Donkey Kong might be having Mario as the main character, but that doesn't make it only a Mario game either, which was a predecessor that later led to bigger things for Mario too in Mario Bros. and Super Mario series. Like Zxcvbnm said, the franchise is clearly defined by the games where Donkey Kong had a notable role (and later spinoffs like Diddy Kong Racing) Besides that, you fail to address non-Donkey Kong Country entries like Donkey Kong 64, Donkey Kong Jungle Beat, Donkey Kong Barrel Blast, DK King of Swing and its sequel or Donkey Konga. On top of that, the franchise has things beyond just the video games... Jovanmilic97 (talk) 16:05, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Maybe the character page would have more views if it's the primary topic? Thomasfan1000 (talk) 20:43, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

It would, but 3 times the views is above the margin of error for people intending to reach the character and typing in the franchise. Most views are from search engines where they are definitively accessing the thing in question. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:38, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

• Perhaps move the second one to the franchise and put the base name as our disambiguation page. Massviews doesn't show a clear winner in the most views per day for the last 3 weeks. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 21:21, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

  It is the standard to put the franchise in the primary namespace since all other things by that name are sub-topics of it. Putting a disambiguation there would be relatively pointless because the franchise functions as a de facto disambiguation already. See also WP:AINTBROKE. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:40, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

• Support I spent a lot of time in arcades back in the era, but never played platformers (two joysticks, please!) and know little of the history of Mario or Donkey Kong, though I did have a friend who racked up insane scores in the latter; I am, however, also interested in film franchises, and this is my own list, so far, with Wikipedia page titles from the point of collection:

• Bourne (film series) — 2002; self-puzzlement porn
• Middle Earth (franchise) — 2001; fate, healing; closed universe, for now
• Wizarding World — 2000; aka Harry Potter
• Mission: Impossible (film series) — 1996; no pause for breath
• Toy Story (franchise) — 1995; bliss–abyss porn
• Men in Black (franchise) — comics from 1990; odd-couple chill froods
• Ghostbusters franchise — 1984; subsequent films 2nd rate
• Terminator (franchise) — 1984; righteousness unleashed OCD
• Indiana Jones (franchise) — 1981; beleaguered moxie undaunted
• Mad Max (franchise) — 1979; red-in-tooth-and-claw autonomy-porn; alt-universe Egyptology
• Alien (franchise) — 1979; red-in-tooth-and-claw isolation-porn
• Star Wars — 1977; simmering, impetuous YA moxie (with style)
• M*A*S*H — 1970; humanism
• Star Trek — 1966; hope
• James Bond (film franchise) — 1962; testosterone

Apparently, I have a difference of opinion with ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ, above. Many film-centered franchises in my list above are not the main article. And it's actually weird to reverse history to think of the inaugural film as a subtopic of the franchise that almost certainly came later, after the main creative risk, originality, and cultural sensation were water under the bridge.

Because I lived all this history, I see things entirely the other way around: on the 7th day, God said, "let there be something cool!"; meanwhile, Eve chomped down on the cookie-cutter apple, and the wages of sin turned out to be second-rate replicas, far as the eyes can see (with here and there a singular Goldfinger). Really Terminator as franchise should be Terminator (dang-it, Eve!). But there are exceptions, so "franchise" is actually the better tag, all things considered.

Definitely, for me, the original Chicken Run comes first, and the franchise that follows is usually the carton of too many self-similar eggs. Again, for myself, of the items above, only Bond is really a case where the franchise is the burger, and not the bun (it grew into its legend by degrees). Toy Story maintained high standards, and Star Wars did have that second successful film, but they were established touchstones already.

Sure, many second-rate studio executives living lives of quiet desperation would like to think of the franchise as the golden goose, and the original golden egg as an annoying miracle from hippie-longhairville, though this is [ed] not borne up in law:

• LGJ: Wait, it's not a derivative? — 29 January 2010

The old standby statement that sequels are derivative works is, for the most part, a true one in the broad context of all copyrighted works. After all, sequels to books and movies are derivatives, or at least I cannot think of a single sequel that is not one in those media. And for the most part, game sequels are derivatives as well, but not always. And to understand the difference, you have to look at what a derivative work is, what it isn't, and how sequels are different in a book and movie context than they can be in a game context.

Go ahead, punk, and unmake my day by repurposing Top Gun to cover the belated franchise, renaming the original film as Top Gun (film).

What I've contributed is not precisely a case, but clearly it's time to rest it anyway, FWIW :-) — MaxEnt 01:38, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

The fact is that in the case of Donkey Kong, where the character AND the first game are equally huge cultural touchstones, the least you can do is put a disambiguation page in the middle. Having the franchise as main is accepting that and making the franchise the disambiguation because just making Donkey Kong a disambiguation page makes little sense. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:44, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

• For reference, outgoing pageviews for Donkey Kong (character) and Donkey Kong from WikiNav. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 13:30, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
• Disambiguate per Iggy the Swan. Crouch, Swale (talk) 07:12, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
• Strong support - a clear claim to primary topic. The "Donkey Kong series", as it were, is disjointed and not really much of a series at all; the main thing the games have in common is their recurring character, Donkey Kong the character. Red Slash 19:26, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. Per ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ, Donkey Kong (video game) is at least as influential as the character itself. It also gets significatly more views ([2]). Better to leave the franchise at the base name. Vpab15 (talk) 14:48, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

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Image

@TheJoebro64 would it be better to switch to a render or more stylized 2D art in this article's case? I'm fine for the Mario series characters to get 2D art because it is somewhat consistent to the original games' style, but this DK's visual style, being created for computer animation and definitely resembles more of Banjo & Kazooie than the general visual style of Mario. (Why would we use the original DK here for the sake of 2D art anyway.) This DK had not appeared in a single main Mario series game directly, so whatever image that should illustrate the character should at least be prioritizing those from the DKC series AND be visually consistent to that series at least, switching to Mario series 2D promo art makes as much sense as Crash Bandicoot (character) having stock promotional art from Spyro crossover games to represent the character. MimirIsSmart (talk) 22:32, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I had chosen this Mario vs. Donkey Kong art before someone else changed it to Nakaue art since it's from a Donkey Kong game, still looks relatively consistent, and just represents the character better. I'd say we should revert to that one. JOEBRO⁶⁴ 02:52, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

I would prefer using a render from one of the later Donkey Kong Country games because his design has stayed consistent in his main series, at least until better 2D art of this DK like the ones used in Crash Bandicoot (character) and Spyro (character) appears. The image you initially uploaded does a good job of showing the character, though I believe an illustration of DK posing is definitely a better representation of the character than just holding a barrel. MimirIsSmart (talk) 00:52, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Donkey Kong's best friend

Hi there. I was wondering if we could add information about Donkey Kong's best friend, Diddy Kong. He doesn't have his own article nor the main villain of the franchise, King K. Rool. I'm also perfectly sure that both Diddy Kong and King K. Rool should have their own articles. They were the most popular characters in the franchise only behind Donkey Kong himself and are even playable in Super Smash Bros. I Hope that both Diddy Kong and King K. Rool will get their own articles in the future. Thank You. 2605:B100:143:3B0F:C012:DCAA:79F8:D5AE (talk) 02:10, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

I agree that it would be great if those two characters had articles, but Wikipedia doesn't work like that. We need significant coverage from reliable sources to have an article on a character. These characters sadly do not have enough significant coverage to meet our requirements. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:39, 16 October 2024 (UTC)