Talk:Droupadi Murmu/Archive 1

Archive 1

Adding a latest image

I have found a latest image of Draupadi Murmu, which is taken in June 2022. So can I add it ? Please let me know. VNC200 (talk) 04:13, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

No. The current one is much better. Hemantha (talk) 06:04, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Wrong date of birth in Wikipedia of 15th indian president

Please correct DOB of 15 th indian president 223.187.139.174 (talk) 14:53, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2022

Odhisa Legislative Assembly awarded Nilkantha award to Murmu for best MLA in 2007. Sheikhatickoo9 (talk) 02:22, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --Bears (talk) 08:06, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Infobox

Draupadi Murmu
Murmu in 2022
9th Governor of Jharkhand
In office 18 May 2015 – 12 July 2021
Chief Ministers	Raghubar Das Hemant Soren
Preceded by	Syed Ahmed
Succeeded by	Ramesh Bais
Member of Odisha Legislative Assembly
In office 5 March 2000 – 21 May 2009
Preceded by	Laxman Majhi
Succeeded by	Shyam Charan Hansdah
Constituency	Rairangpur
Personal details
Born	(1958-06-20) 20 June 1958 Uparbeda, Mayurbhanj, Odisha, India
Political party	Bharatiya Janata Party
Spouse(s)	Shyam Chandra Murmu ​ ( 2014)​
Children	3
Alma mater	Rama Devi Women's University
Occupation	Politician
Profession	Teacher
Other state offices 2000–2002: Odisha State Minister of Commerce and Industry 2002–2004: Odisha State Minister of Fisheries and Animal Resources Development

Personally, I can't see the purpose of adding the independent charges she held as Odisha state minister. Mentioning these roles in a political career section would serve better. I proposed that her infobox just indicate these roles in a footnote like Joe Biden's infobox. This is something that I'm suggesting. I think, seeing how her infobox will get longer pending her announcement as the president-elect, only major offices should be mentioned on the infobox (like Biden's infobox). Plus since there's no mention of a predecessor or successor in any of her independent charges as state minister, the footnote mention covers the same amount of info with less space. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:01, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Applying semi-protection to this article

It would be good to apply semi-protection to this article ( Wikipedia:Protection policy#semi ), in view of the ongoing 2022 Indian presidential election , in which Draupadi Murmu has won and is the 15th President of India.

Also, it has been noted that a lot of IP addresses have recently been editing this article with non-constructive intentions, including vandalism. PeterBehnam (talk) 15:53, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@PeterBehnam This needs to be requested at WP:RFPP. Venkat TL (talk) 16:10, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

PeterBehnam and Venkat TL, this has already been requested by someone. --Bears (talk) 16:16, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. PeterBehnam (talk) 16:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Early political career is not sourced

She became the Chairperson of Rairangpur Nagar Panchayat in 2000. She also served as National Vice-President of BJP ST Morcha.

Removed because no source was given. this only supported some, but not above. --Venkat TL (talk) 13:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Governor of Jharkhand section

Good to see her Governor of Jharkhand section was expanded, however it still ends at 2017 with no info about her tenure as governor from 2018, 2019, 2020 (COVID response maybe?) and 2021. The only thing that makes up this section is two paragraphs and a whole section about the Pathalgadi movement against tribal land law amendments and that's it. That's why I added a tag to explain this in that section. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:29, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@TDKR Chicago 101 I am not surprised. Governors lack executive power. Unless there is a big controversy like Pathalgadi movement where the approval of legislative bills comes into question, or there is a motion to challenge the majority of the cabinet, the Governors tenure is without major action. They will only feature in WP:ROUTINE news like inaugrations and lectures, and those are irrelevant to her bio. Pathalgadi movement deserves the size it has been allotted because Murmu had played a key role. Venkat TL (talk) 10:46, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

I see, I figured seeing how she was elected president right now, some news articles and reliable sources would have some more info about her tenure as governor around that time period that I mentioned. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:48, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@TDKR Chicago 101 yes, it is possible that there are things to add from the 2018-2021 period. So I am not removing the tag. At least her Governor term end should be added with a source. Venkat TL (talk) 10:51, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Murmu had a largely non-controversial stint between May 2015 and July 2021. https://indianexpress.com/article/political-pulse/the-sunday-profile-droupadi-murmu-raisina-calling-8033868/

@TDKR Chicago 101 There you have it. I will add this ref and remove the tag. After some searching there nothing to add in her governor ship. Perhaps we should focus on expanding her Political position section. Venkat TL (talk) 11:07, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

If there is nothing then it is best not to add anything. We include only major items anyway. Capitals00 (talk) 15:33, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Copy edit

@QueenofBithynia can you please do a quick copy edit for major grammar issues if any? Venkat TL (talk) 11:12, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL Hi, thanks for the ping! I'm on mobile right now so that might be difficult, but happy to have a quick look. QueenofBithynia (talk) 11:18, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

@QueenofBithynia thank you. Venkat TL (talk) 11:29, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

@QueenofBithynia The content is sourced to the refs cited, if you think there are POV issues in the governor section, please go ahead and fix it during the copy edits. But I must note Wikipedia:NPOV means neutral editing, not neutral content. Venkat TL (talk) 11:38, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL Fair enough, feel free to remove the tags if you want. I still think the way this is framed/worded in the article seems to favour a particular POV, but I am not knowledgeable enough about the topic area to say one way or another. QueenofBithynia (talk) 11:48, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Religion and land bill

The new religion bill made religious conversion with coercion or allurement, a punishable offence inviting three years imprisonment. Conversion of a member of the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes, a minor or a woman, would invite four years imprisonment, along with a fine. The bill also made it mandatory for a person willing to convert on his or her own volition to inform the Deputy Commissioner about the conversion along with the details about the date, place and the supervisors during religious conversion.

The amendments in the Land Acquisition Act, 2013, involved changes in the compensation duration and requirements for social impacts assessment. According to the new bill, if the tribal land is acquired by the government, the compensation would be given in a six month period to the tenure holders. Previously a Social Impact Assessment (S.I.A.) was required for infrastructure projects, this requirement for SIA was removed for at least ten specific kinds of projects like water supply, power transmission lines, roads, schools.

@Diannaa, @QueenofBithynia Please comment if this modified version is fit to be included? I have rephrased it. Venkat TL (talk) 14:23, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

This phrasing looks okay to me. QueenofBithynia (talk) 14:35, 24 July 2022 (UTC) Striking my comment per the below, which is better wording: I was merely commenting on the neutrality of the text. —QueenofBithynia (talk) 15:00, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

No, it still needs more work. How about this:

The new religion bill makes it an offence subject to a penalty of three years in prison to coerce or lure a person to convert their religion. If the person coerced is a member of a Scheduled Caste or tribe, a minor, or female, the prison term increases to four years. Fines can be levied in any case. The bill also made it mandatory for voluntary converts to inform the Deputy Commissioner about their conversion and to give full details about the circumstances.

The amendments in the Land Acquisition Act, 2013, involved changes in the compensation duration and requirements for social impacts assessment. According to the passed law, monetary compensation for government acquisition of tribal land must be paid within six months of acquisition. The requirement for social impact assessments was dropped for some types of infrastucture projects.

— Diannaa (talk) 14:49, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

References

Diannaa thanks for the link and improvements in copy edits, much better. I will now add this into the article. Venkat TL (talk) 15:02, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Draupadi vs Droupadi

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/presidential-election-2022-results-counting-votes-live-updates-yashwant-sinha-droupadi-murmu-8042430/

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/presidential-election-2022-yashwant-sinha-droupadi-murmu-results-live-updates-july-21-2022/article65663846.ece

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/droupadi-murmu-is-indias-new-president-3181043

Most reliable sources are using Droupadi, So the page has been renamed. Venkat TL (talk) 16:26, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

I think waiting for a talk page consensus before naming would have been more appropriate. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@TDKR Chicago 101 I noticed that all the reliable sources are using O, some of these same sources had been using A before. Looks like they were corrected. I cant find any new source using A. Even the official source from Election Commission is using O. I believe O will be the correct local spelling more common in the local language than A. Because of multiple overwhelming reasons, I felt it was not appropriate to keep it at wrong spelling for a week. If you disagree with my reasons, please give your reasons and evidence. Venkat TL (talk) 10:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm not disagreeing, I'm just saying that before moving the article's name there's usually a talk page discussion, something like this [1]. I'm neutral on this. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:18, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@TDKR Chicago 101 understood. That is why I started this talk page discussion to explain my move. I believe in WP:NOTBURO. If someone challenges me I am willing to self revert, although I think it is unlikely to happen. Venkat TL (talk) 10:22, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Gotcha, its just that usually a discussion happens (usually short is everyone is in agreement) and then the move happens. The move was seen as controversial by another editor and that is what caught my attention. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:24, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

You are right the official twitter handle for the president of India says it's Droupadi Murmu not Draupadi Murmu. Flashthomsom (talk) 04:55, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Tenure years in the section header

@Vsa111 Since she had only 1 term, so there is no need to mention tenure in the section header. Please do not add it again. Venkat TL (talk) 09:06, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

The presidential tenure can extend upto 2 terms, and knowing the timeline is important. Please restore your edits @Venkat TL MicroNibble (talk) 09:29, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

MicroNibble right now she has only 1 term. We will cross that bridge when we reach there. --Venkat TL (talk) 09:32, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Restore the timeline of Governor of jharkhand. Please have a look at other BLPs once and the format. 2022 presidential campaign has a separate main article. Is it necessary naming a section the same thing instead of "presidency". @Venkat TL MicroNibble (talk) 09:35, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

And you have said since she 'had' only one term. One term does not consist of 6 years of governor period. So do add it MicroNibble (talk) 09:37, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL Sure thing about the tenure! but I still recommend that a subtitle called "Presidency" to be created and keep super subtitles like "2022 presidential campaign" and other info related to her presidency under that. Vsa111 (talk) 11:20, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

@Vsa111 I think it is not correct to include Presidential election campaign in presidency section. Her presidency starts from today, so only events from today and future should be in the presidency section. What do think? Venkat TL (talk) 11:50, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL However the same format has been followed in all previous presidents’ pages. Including Pratibha Patil, Pranab Mukherjee and Ram Nath Kovind Vsa111 (talk)

Special:Diff/1100353259, Special:Diff/1100353633, Special:Diff/1100353995 Take a look at these edits. The second level section makes it look better and more readable. I think this should be followed on this page also. Venkat TL (talk) 13:36, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Politicial position

Why is there a need to include "political position"? She is a BJP politician, so she will follow BJP's political positions. No other president's article has such a section. AG47 ^Talk 19:26, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

AG47, It is not always that everything is supported by all party members. It is common and encyclopedic information. Please see Boris Johnson for example. Venkat TL (talk) 19:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@MN Shenoy this is not an irrelevant section. What is your disagreement? Please check the above article. Venkat TL (talk) 11:52, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat

Where has she advocated the use of Goumutra and supported Hindi as National language? MN Shenoy (talk) 12:13, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

@MN Shenoy In the given source. Venkat TL (talk) 12:17, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL

The article quoted is a premium member only article. If Murmu has stated on-record, her support for Gaumutra or advocacy for Hindi as natnl language, please quote any other article since it would be available. Her silence on issues cannot be construed as her acceptance of these views. MN Shenoy (talk) 12:27, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

@MN Shenoy, it is accessible to me. It mentioned her advocacy for Hindi. Indian Express is a reliable source and even has a quote from her on Hindi. None of this is surprising. I can share the express quote if you want. this is another source. Dont remove reliably sourced content. Venkat TL (talk) 12:51, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL

The article of Newsminute quoted is an opinion by author and not an input of news agency. MN Shenoy (talk) 13:07, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Regardless, IE supports the content. Venkat TL (talk) 13:14, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

On the farm laws, Hindi as national language, gomutra and nationalism, among others, she largely stuck to the BJP line.

In a video conference on October 15, 2020, she said, “Ek Hindustani ko kam se kam apni bhasha, yani Hindi, to aani hi chahiye, saath mein hamein Hindi ka samman karna sikhna hoga (Every Indian should know their language Hindi and also respect it).”

But there were also instances when she refused to hold back.

Hailing from a party that has a complicated relationship with Jawaharlal Nehru and his legacy, Murmu has on more than one occasion freely expressed her admiration for India’s first prime minister.

"The Sunday Profile | Droupadi Murmu: Raisina Calling". The Indian Express. 22 July 2022.

Here is another source where she is expressing her opinion about cow urine. "Cow ranch a viable mode of self employment: Jharkhand Governor Droupadi Murmu". The Avenue Mail. 31 January 2021. Retrieved 23 July 2022. @MN Shenoy you are now edit warring. Please stop. See the quote above. you can ask the full article at WP:RX. Venkat TL (talk) 14:17, 23 July 2022 (UTC) @MN Shenoy if you are not responding then I will restore the content with these sources. Venkat TL (talk) 07:24, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

In the given reference she said about the benefits of cow and related stuffs, it never said about alleged benefit of cow urine. Itzchampak (talk) 09:15, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

@Itzchampak in which reference ? can you share the quotes? Venkat TL (talk) 09:34, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

I couldn't find a clear reference where she supported alleged use of cow urine. In the given reference it is said how cow ranch, urine or other stuffs help in livelihood. The reference and and the article doesn't match. Itzchampak (talk) 09:36, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Itzchampak, Gomutra means Cow urine, see the first line in the quote I have copied above from Indian Express. Which source talks about worshipping cow? please share quote. Venkat TL (talk) 09:38, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Exactly, that's an opinion from Indian Express. Can you share a source with a direct statement from her about gomutra or any video reference? Both this article and the question you're asking me is misleading and not clearly indicative. It cannot be taken as a reliable source for her words. Itzchampak (talk) 09:47, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

No It is reporting.--Venkat TL (talk) 09:49, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

And not a direct statement. Itzchampak (talk) 09:51, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Please WP:INDENT your comments, a reporting from a reliable source is needed for WP:BLP and WP:V, a direct statement is not necessary. Venkat TL (talk) 09:57, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat The news minute article which has been quoted by you is actually an op-ed. An opinion piece can't be used as a source. And the IE article is only for those who pay for it. It may or may not be another op ed, which cannot be confirmed.

Still, I can believe the quote of IE article that you've provided us with. But, there's no mention of Hindutva or Hindu nationalism. Only nationalism is mentioned. And her support for farm laws is missing. Please provide sources/citations for her support of Hindutva, Hindu nationalism, 3 farm laws. FofS&E (talk) 13:44, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

@FofS&E IE article is quoted above, you can ask the full article at WP:RX if you want. It is reporting. Everything has been sourced to IE. Please check the quote in Green. If you have conflicting information to dispute the source, feel free to produce. Venkat TL (talk) 13:51, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat I ask again, where are the words Hindutva and Hindu nationalism mentioned in your quote? Don't see these 2 words.

Rest all can be accepted, if article is not an op ed like The news minute website. FofS&E (talk) 13:58, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

@FofS&E that is the "nationalism" of RSS-BJP. Article has been linked for you to check. Venkat TL (talk) 14:03, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat Sorry, but that seems to be a case of WP:OR.

Hindutva and Hindu nationalism not mentioned, yet you write it. The nationalism of RSS-BJP is not the topic of discussion here. Those two words are missing from the quoted article.

Thanks!

FofS&E (talk) 14:53, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat. Still waiting for your reply before removal, friend. FofS&E (talk) 20:47, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

@FofS&E The reliable source has been provided. There is no confusion about the nationalism of BJP. You are unnecessarily creating a dispute when there is none. I see that you have not provided any source saying something else to dispute the claims, what is there to discuss? Venkat TL (talk) 14:04, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 24 July 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Result:
Not moved per consensus garnered below. Early SNOW closure requested <permalink>. Thanks and kudos to editors for your input; good health to all! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 01:35, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

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Droupadi Murmu → Draupadi Murmu – This seems to be the most common English transliteration of her name: see this. —QueenofBithynia (talk) 19:30, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose [2], [3], [4] Most reliable sources are using Droupadi with O, some of these same sources had been using A before and now switched to O. Looks like they were corrected. Even the official source from Election Commission is using O. The subject also uses O in her name in her election affidavit. I believe O will be the correct local spelling more common in the local language than A. Because of these multiple overwhelming reasons I feel, the article title should include O.Venkat TL (talk) 20:09, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

• Strongly Support [5], [6], [7] Theses sources show use of A instead of O. I support that it needs to be changed to Draupadi, since it is cited in many of the books published too. Wikipedians need to rely on sources(books especially) and consensus opinion of other users, they cant be dictators asking their own edit to be true. MicroNibble (talk) 01:50, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

I think the answer is very clear SMT. DROUPADI MURMU , please visit official website : https://presidentofindia.nic.in/ Vivek2992 (talk) 11:12, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

I think the answer is very clear SMT. DROUPADI MURMU , please visit official website : https://presidentofindia.nic.in/ Vivek2992 (talk) 11:13, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

@QueenofBithynia I think it's time to close the discussion as Droupadi is the correct one instead of Draupadi. As all people have expressed their views.  Debjyoti Gorai  (talk) 15:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

@Debjyoti Gorai Happy to have the discussion closed, and given the evidence shown below (particularly the links to official sources) I would actually oppose a move anyhow.

As a side note: I think editors on the Simple English Wikipedia - and possibly other language Wikipedias that directly transliterated this article title without consulting reliable sources in their languages - should change their article titles to be consistent with the outcome of this discussion. QueenofBithynia (talk) 16:00, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. Although I don't worry about the articles written in languages present in the Indian subcontinent since they are adjusted to the regional differences but the rest I don't know.  Debjyoti Gorai  (talk) 12:05, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

And NDTV is not reliable for your kind information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MicroNibble (talk • contribs) 01:51, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

• Comment Waiting till the President website is updated. User4edits (talk) 05:01, 25 July 2022 (UTC) See vote below. User4edits (talk) 09:22, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

  @User4edits https://presidentofindia.nic.in/ says Droupadi Murmu. I call for a speedy closure and withdrawl of this move request. @QueenofBithynia @FofS&E Venkat TL (talk) 08:43, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

  @Venkat TLIndeed. Voting. User4edits (talk) 09:19, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

  @MicroNibble @QueenofBithynia please withdraw your comment. Venkat TL (talk) 09:08, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

I think both Draupadi, as well as Droupadi can be used. All over India, people use both. That's why one can see multiple news articles using both spellings from time to time. So, it basically comes down to the person writing those articles. As for me, I'm okay with both, but if I had to choose, I would choose Draupadi instead of Droupadi as Droupadi is mostly used in Bengali names and she doesn't come from a Bengali background, and Draupadi is used both in Northern & Southern India. Also, there was a woman named Draupadi thousands of years ago, and her name is written with 'a' instead of 'o'. She may be the first person with this name. FofS&E (talk) 05:33, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

She is from Eastern India where it's Droupadi instead of Draupadi. She is an Odia Santhal. In Odia it's Droupadi too. So in Assamese, Bengali, Kamtapuri, Rajbonshi, Chakma, Bishnupriya Manipuri, Maithili etc. Earlier official sources cited were using Draupadi but they all changed to Droupadi in order to make the correct pronunciation according to Eastern India. Government sites like ECI cites the name Droupadi instead of Draupadi. The President of India website also citing Droupadi. Thousands of years ago a person named Draupadi/Droupadi existed but she would have been pronounced as Dr'a'upadi in western and northern India and Dr'o'upadi in Eastern India and English didn't existed at that time. Debjyoti Gorai  (talk) 06:05, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Precisely. In Eastern India, the Northern au sound is often changed to an ou. The official spelling is Droupadi. Let it be. This is authentic. 128.230.210.20 (talk) 17:06, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

• Strong Oppose as per President's website User4edits (talk) 09:22, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. "O" is more commonly used than "A". --Bears (talk) 10:16, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose: Ridiculous move request!!! Hope folk can read the common and official spelling used by the person, herself und all of media world wide! In world biggest democracy people have at least smallest right to write their name as per own wish! This Indic script purification drama sounds more nonsense now! Ask lord Krishna to protest why Bengalis call him „Krishno“! Peace ✌🏻 −2A0A:A546:DF6A:0:69A2:595E:2672:A131 (talk) 11:33, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose: Simply the WP:COMMONNAME, per the number of Google hits using a "Droupadi Murmu" in quotes. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:18, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose as per the official website Kpddg ^(talk) 14:03, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

I think both Draupadi, as well as Droupadi can be used. All over India, people use both. As per she used her name Droupadi Murmu is the more clear for this request. Muhammad Majid Khan (talk) 15:16, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose but I suggest we could consider at least mentioning the different spelling, such as like this Droupadi Murmu (née Tudu, alternate spelling Draupadi Murmu, born 20 June 1958) per Times of India, a very recent source. Then there's no more confusion that it's wrong or missing. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:07, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

  Yes, this seems appropriate Kpddg ^(talk) 15:37, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose. Purabk (talk) 01:56, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The word indigenous is misleading

I removed the word indigenous word but someone just restored it. The word indigenous is extremely misleading. They probably migrated around 3000 years ago from the indo-china region and mixed with the local Indian population. Calling her the first indigenous president is extremely misleading. She is as indigenous as previous presidents of India belonging to both Aryan and Dravidian communities. A scheduled tribe doesn't necessarily mean the tribe is indigenous. So, I am removing the word again.  Debjyoti Gorai  (talk) 17:23, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

@Debjyoti Gorai you are proposing a WP:FRINGE theory. the word indigenous is widely accepted in the mainstream media. The quoted reliable source also supports this content. Please do not remove this. Venkat TL (talk) 18:08, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL What I proposed was an accepted and proven theory with the help of archaeology and linguistics therefore it is not a fringe. It is well established and known history in archaeology as well as in linguistics. Putting the word indigenous will make it fringe and will mislead the ancestry of the Indian people. The sources what you suggest are not Indian ones but rather foreign ones with maybe some Indian ancestry writers. The moment we mention she is from a tribal community they automatically assume the case similar to that of Native Americans of Northern America, Aboriginals of Australia, Sami of Nordic countries, Maoris of New Zealand and others. But in reality that's not the case. Ancestry of people of the Indian subcontinent and her diversity is under represented among the dominated western media and academics. For example Indian media is dominated by the Northern parts and Western parts and what led to the Draupadi vs Droupadi name debate even though the name means same. But one the official one came out they all have to change that.  Debjyoti Gorai  (talk) 19:18, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

@Debjyoti Gorai we follow what the reliable sources say. Not what you believe. Venkat TL (talk) 19:21, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL It's not what I believe it's what established history says about the Santal people. They speak an Austroasiatic language which has it's roots in Indochina i.e. around Vietnam etc. They have a facial structure of mixed Indian and indo-china people since they mixed with the native Indian people of that time when the first santals arrived. This is not a proposal this is an established and proven theory. Just change the official source to an Indian one then there is no necessary to put the "indigenous" word as you want paste the exact same thing as present in reliable media. By putting the "indigenous" word will lead to "bias" and will be contrary to the mainstream proven history. Just learn the history of the Santal tribe then only you will understand. Just don't copy paste everything what you see on the internet no matter how reliable the source is. Always verify it. If you are still not satisfied with my answer then I would call an admin who knows linguistics as well ancestry of humans ethnicity in Asia if you don't mind.  Debjyoti Gorai  (talk) 19:37, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Please see here

Santali society and culture - Museum of Cultural History (uio.no)

Santal | Encyclopedia.com

Family tree branches east - Telegraph India

You are quoting news sites which devoid of the history of the Santal people. I can keep quoting more. You are not still understanding. I may have to put you under Sanctions. Don't get involved in an editing war with respect to your previous history of doing so. Stop misusing sanctions template. I am calling an administrator to this issue. Immediately remove the word "indigenous" until the issue is fixed.  Debjyoti Gorai  (talk) 08:56, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

• https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/07/21/india-president-tribal/
• https://www.dw.com/en/india-tribal-politician-draupadi-murmu-wins-presidential-vote/a-62559372
• https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/21/world/asia/india-president.html
• https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/7/25/droupadi-murmu-takes-oath-as-indias-first-tribal-president
• https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2022/07/28/droupadi-murmu-india-s-first-tribal-president_5991733_4.html
• https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/india/draupadi-murmu-india-president-tribal-b2128395.html
• https://www.freepressjournal.in/weekend/president-droupadi-murmu-decoding-what-women-leaders-bring-to-the-table-at-the-workplace
• https://www.csw.org.uk/2022/07/27/press/5776/article.htm
• https://www.culturalsurvival.org/news/droupadi-murmu-sworn-indias-first-indigenous-president
• https://www.northeasttoday.in/tag/draupadi-murmu/
• https://www.mansworldindia.com/more/news/droupadi-murmu-makes-history-by-becoming-indias-first-tribal-female-president/
• https://jharkhandstatenews.com/article/top-stories/5563/india-s-first-adivasi-president-droupadi-murmu-may-be-a-star-attraction-on-the-world-indigenous-day-2022/
• The evidence is overwhelming. These are international reliable sources. Venkat TL (talk) 08:17, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Presidency of Droupadi Murmu into Droupadi Murmu

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The result of this discussion was Not Merged. Venkat TL (talk) 11:16, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

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The presidency is indivisible from the person, and should thus be part of the biographical article on the person 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 11:52, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

• Not necessarily. In fact, their presidency can be more notable then the individual person. But divisibility has to be looked at technical point of view as well. Example, a Ram Nath Kovind is 46MB and his presidency is 91MB. Over period of time, same is going to happen here. I would hence Oppose such merger. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:55, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose – I agree with Dharmadhyaksha. --Ratekreel (talk) 04:37, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. The very premise, "the presidency is indivisible from the person," is wrong. Presidents of different countries have their Wikipedia pages separate from their "presidency of ..." articles. And this page is clearly an article of that sort and that is building up. Chhandama (talk) 13:48, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
• Strong oppose - as per above reasons. Every president/prime minister has this corresponding article, which is clearly notable. This one does not have anything more or different only because these are the initial days of her presidency; it will get better eventually. Kpddg ^(talk) 14:10, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

• Strong Oppose: I do agree with the statement of D

Dharmadhyaksha. Imperfect Boy (talk) 07:34, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose as per above, and Presidency of Ram Nath Kovind. User4edits (talk) 00:56, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

• Strong Oppose: I do agree with the statement of D

Dharmadhyaksha. (I ame Shears (talk) 13:21, 10 August 2022 (UTC))

I strongly oppose this merger because just like other presidents and prime ministers across the globe, President Droupadi Murmu also deserves a separate article purely based on her personality. Gaurav6523 (talk) 02:41, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose as per above, and Presidency of Ram Nath Kovind. MicroNibble (talk) 03:12, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

  I agree. Soumil1234 (talk) 04:36, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose per Dharmadhyaksha.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:58, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

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