Talk:El Salvador/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Colon vs Dollar, Census

Whom ever is updating this article is not being presis. El Salvador did not "elimante the Colon" the law states that both currencies are legal tender side by side. [1]

On the census, the oficial number is 5.8 Million inhabitants. [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.67.140.84 (talk) 17:50, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

CAFTA ?

"To take advantage of CAFTA, the Salvadoran government is challenged to conduct policies that guarantee better conditions for entrepreneurs and workers to transfer from declining to growing sectors in the economy." um. ok. that is corporate libertarian propoganda if i've ever heard it. i am changing it, and if anyone has a problem, we can take it outside. :) Lequis (talk) 22:27, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Somaya Reece

An established celebrity who was originally from El Salvador is Somaya Reece. To my amazement, she still has no entry in Wikipedia. How could this be? Any of you guys want to take this project on? here's a recent press release about her: [3] http://press-releases.blogspot.com/2008/08/somaya-reece-no-1-latina-on-myspace.html Johnalexwood (talk) 21:27, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

i'm salvadorian and i live in el salvador, but i don't know who somaya reece is, can you tel me??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.87.166.99 (talk) 03:55, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

2007 Salvadoran Census

I noticed that there was a recent census done in El Salvador (VI Censo de Población y V de Vivienda 2007), but I can't find a direct link to a Salvadoran government agency with the stats online? Does anyone know if they publish these online or where they could be found from a reliable source. I know the CIA Factbook shows the recent stats, but I have found that some people don't trust this source, so I would like to find a government source if there is one available online. The stats seem to be updated in this article, but there is no inline citation provided. Thanks. Kman543210 (talk) 06:45, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I have added the link to GovPubs which includes a link to the Salvadoran government agency (census and statistics) (Spanish only) which may help you. Flatterworld (talk) 23:17, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Corrections to be made

The article states that a "peasant uprising" was a cause of the civil war, this never occur, I'm a salvadoran and I had participated in the left during this war. Who is Somaya Reece? You can find the 2007 census at http://www.digestyc.gob.sv/

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.87.102.174 (talk) 02:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

External links

I added the GovPubs and Factbook links because those in, along with ODP which was already there, pretty much cover all the relevant links. I left the last two links (unofficial tourism) in place, but they look iffy to me. Perhaps one of you would like to take a look at them? Flatterworld (talk) 23:21, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

NPOV

"Due to its rapid industrialization El Salvador has seen a notable rise of immigrants from neighboring countries, this due to a better economy and specially to the elimination of its currency (Colon), hence adopting the U.S. Dollar as national currency." - Does anyone else not see a problem with this? I think the word "better" is questionable, the rest (if true) is in dire need of sources.Baina90 (talk) 04:51, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Economy

In the economy section, it says that they had "mixed" results from their economic liberalization, but according to this CATO article (a biased source, I know), El Salvador's liberalization has been nothing short of amazing for their economy: http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10026

Cameron Nedland (talk) 19:45, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Andres del Valle,

hello, i would like to know why the wiki article on "Andres del Valle". a very comprehensive one, is not added as a link here? I found it under the German Wiki? Brian Skinner(fernandodelvalle@t-online.de) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.199.85.9 (talk) 09:40, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Black Salvadorans/Afroguanacos

BLACK SALVADORANS/AFROGUANACOS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.238.54.2 (talk) 16:30, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Deleted a block of long all-caps text. Dlamblin (talk) 02:42, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I have fixed the all-caps item by 69.238.54.2 to sentence case, and tried to make it legible. Dlamblin (talk) 02:36, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

The question about Black or African presence in El Salvador is a question that needs deep excavation because when you research "popular" Salvadoran history books you come across the very old [and] very beaten same little story of how the Spaniards found the [Pipils (native people)] and that when they mixed they gave birth to a Mestizo population. And that today that's all that there is in El Salvador. Well in looking for the black ancestry in Salvadorans most people only know what was commonly taught in s school and or what was [imposed on] them by the powers [that] be. [Which] is that because El Salvador does not have an Atlantic/[Caribbean] coast [then] here was no slave trade and that in the [1930s] a general Martinez [expels] all Blacks from the country and created laws banning Blacks from El Salvador. When looking deeper into the subject though you find that in fact there was a large or at least very sizable population of black slaves that entered El Salvador in colonial times. The Atlantic ocean was not the only place where slaves were transported; they were [transported] wherever there was money to be made off of them, and in El Salvador the colonists and wealthy [Latino] Salvadorans found a way to make [a lot] of money in the the anil/indigo business. At time many Pipil/Maya/Lenca indians were dying from different [sicknesses] given to them by the Spaniards and so the only other way to get free labor was by [importing] black slaves into the country.....And during these indigo times (1600s) is when the largest population [of] Blacks lived in El Salvador. [There] was even a black slave rebellion with over 2,000 black slaves that tried to kill there white slavers in 1625 and it is reported in old scensus in san salvador that there were over 8,ooo blacks and mulatos living there at the time. So it is from this black slave population brought to El Salvador in the [1600s] to work as slaves or servants in the production on anil/indigo that we Salvadorans can trace our very little known black history and small as it may be roots. Now [of course] the Black population was much smaller than the Indian population and so as time passed the black descendants intermarried with the Indian population for the next several hundred years afterward slowly but surely diluting the Black presence in there blood and also diluting the Black [physical] features. Later in the 1930's general Martinez Hernandez was the person who put the lid on the situation by implementing racist laws against everything ethnic, especially anything Black or indigenous, but especially Black. It was in general Martinezs time that the last Salvadoran citizen recorded himself as Mulato or Afro-salvadoran in the [census]. Well hopefully this will answer a few questions as to what happened to the Black Salvadorans. Are there any Blacks? Well the truth is that the Black genes remain in some Salvadorans. [That's] why many Salvadorans have thick lips, very tight curly hair (colocho) and the women have very nice curves. :)

And here's the summary:

The question about Black or African presence in El Salvador is a question that needs deep excavation because when you research "popular" Salvadoran history books you come across the very old [and] very beaten same little story of how the Spaniards found the [Pipils (native people)] and that when they mixed they gave birth to a Mestizo population. ... The Atlantic ocean was not the only place where slaves were transported; they were [transported] wherever there was money to be made off of them, and in El Salvador the colonists and wealthy [Latino] Salvadorans found a way to make [a lot] of money in the the anil/indigo business. ... [There] was even a black slave rebellion with over 2,000 black slaves that tried to kill there white slavers in 1625 and it is reported in old scensus in san salvador that there were over 8,ooo blacks and mulatos living there at the time. So it is from this black slave population brought to El Salvador in the [1600s] to work as slaves or servants in the production on anil/indigo that we Salvadorans can trace our very little known black history and small as it may be roots.

Meaning of name

Does anyone think that defining the Spanish nomenclature might be appropriate within the history scope of this page? Compare to Ecuador. Assume I do not know and cannot guess, though I can. I'm specficialy referring to the meanings and origins of:

• El Salvador
• Ciudad Vieja
• Villa de San Salvador

Dlamblin (talk) 01:55, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

External link to embassy

The first external link, to the London embassy, is described as "Content rich site about every aspect of Salvadorean life, government, business, and politics." Actually it contains virtually no information about the country and is comprised mainly of music files. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.172.186.229 (talk) 18:40, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Many people judge about el salvador being a samll country and has many murdering, butif you really look closely el salvador is a beatiful place to visit espically the places most people might not think they well see. el salvdor is the smallest country in the world. el salvador is also an tropical contry,the climate is very hot,humide. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.65.244.64 (talk) 01:10, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

good food

Some of the good food you will like and eat is Tmales and Pupusas There are different kines you can eat it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.222.248.12 (talk) 14:48, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Location

El Salvador is located in the southernmost, isthmian portion of the North American continent. Geographically speaking, Central America is not a continent. Why the introduction of the country doesn´t show North America as its location? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bono983 (talk • contribs) 19:26, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Two reasons (1) There is some cultural disagreement about whether North and South America are one continent or two. Specifying "Central America" as the location neatly sidesteps this argument on this article. (2) Our current definition of "Central America" is currently given as "southernmost, isthmian portion of the North American continent". Since nearly everyone uses the term "Central America" for this region, it is more useful for our readers to use that term as well. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:26, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Día de la Raza

Hello fellows who wish to make Wikipedia as truthful as possible. The "Día de la Raza" is NOT in honor of the natives, it celebrates the arrival of Christopher Columbus. The least that is celebrated is the native population. By the way, I am Salvadorian, I know. Melara... (talk) 00:36, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Some comments about '20th Century' section

I first wanted to point out that this section could use some grammar touch-up.

However, my larger comment is that the section describes 'La Matanza' (the 1932 Salvador peasant uprising). The section has a link to: 1932_Salvadoran_peasant_uprising where the events are discussed in more detail.

My concern is just that the perspective of events in the 'El_Salvador' article are much different than the perspective in the '1932_Salvadoran_peasant_uprising' article. It might be nice if the information could be reconciled or at least if both perspectives could be presented in one place.

I recently visited Izalco in my current El Salvador trip, including visiting a monument concerning this issue. That's why I looked this information up.

I don't consider myself to have enough perspective to contribute further than just noting the discrepancy.

Thanks so much! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Erikja (talk • contribs) 00:24, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

History Section

The history section of this article has very little citations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tarmstrong (talk • contribs) 23:46, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Tours

"Contact a Responsable Tour Operator and design your own travel itinerary! Salvadorean Tours: www.salvadoreantours.com Hotel Reservation, Tours, Transfer, Tourism Packages, Transport, Travel Insurance[1]" This seems to be an advertisement. I might have just deleted it, but instead I wanted to bring it to the attention of those who are more knowledgeable than I am about El Salvador. Tumblecat (talk) 03:44, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Salvadoran or Salvadorean?

I see both terms in the article. Is one correct or more preferred over the other? Lbbzman (talk) 16:04, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

In spanish is Salvadoreño so in english should be Salvadorean... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pekaxmon (talk • contribs) 04:19, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

It's quite unclear. In English-language dictionaries you can find Salvadoran, Salvadorean and Salvadorian, all three of them, though not necessarily the three at the same time. (And when I say "English-language dictionaries", I mean dictionaries such as the OED, the American Heritage Dictionary, the Canadian Oxford Dictionary, etc., together as a group.) As a Salvador(e/i)an myself living in Canada nearly all the time, it seems to me the first two are more common than the latter though. I would say that they are equally acceptable, I guess.--Neqitan (talk) 02:29, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Balance of content, quality of citation, strong points of view

This article seems rather unbalanced in both its format and quality of content, which shows in the quality of the sources in the citations. More importantly, the article vents strong points of view - especially with regard to politics - without this being supported by sources of an academic character. This needs to be amended. Michel Doortmont (talk) 22:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Colón being legal tender.

Just a small thing regarding the introduction of the article. I am Salvadorean and although I don't have any source but my experience as being born and lived all my life in El Salvador, I have to say that claiming that the "colón can still be used as legal tender" is a misguiding concept. It is true that you can still take colón currency to banks but only for it to be exchanged to dollars. It is not as if you could go walking around with your wallet full of colón currency and be able to buy things on the street or in stores. Most salaries are still paid in colones BUT they are converted to dollars automatically when you withdraw from the bank, meaning you lose a certain amount because of fluctuations regarding the value of the dollar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.93.138.58 (talk) 17:40, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Issues

Three main issues with this article:

Photos: these are all over the place, and make the article hard to read. I would recommend sticking all the photos at the bottom of the article, and just have a few representative pictures accompanying the text. Otherwise the text itself gets shifted down the page in favor of pictures of San Salvador, Miss El Salvador, and Monica Lewinsky (!).

General Editing: I only looked through the demographics section, but I noticed that statements about the indigenous population are repeated twice, and that overall the grammar and writing style is very weak. It would help if someone with a good command of writing in English could edit this section (perhaps others?).

Basic facts: again, all over the place. I will take one example: the population figure for El Salvador. In the introduction the population is listed as 5.7 million. In the infobox, the 2009 population is again given as 5.7 million in 2009, but 6.1 million by July 2009 (strangely this is from a UN source dated 2008). So apparently 400,000 Salvadoreans were created in 6 months? Then the text in the demographics section states that the government estimated a "surprisingly low" population figure of 7.1 million! Can we try to get more accurate and consistent figures? For the record, the CIA (admittedly historically not the best friend of many Salvadoreans) says that the 2010 population of El Salvador is a little over 6 million. 209.6.89.252 (talk) 01:02, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

I totally agree, it seems a bit pretentious rather than giving actual information. one exaple is in demographics, where a long list of all the countries that make up for the white percentage of people, All white, I dont think that if one person moved from Denmark there should be added to the list of WHITE people that moved there, What about other Central Americans?, NO REFERENCES WHATSOEVER... and lots of speculations. I agree with the pictures why is a person DJ KEOKI listed in the demographics section? or the pictures descriptions also without references general statementes with no verification like"before the civil war, El Salvador had the best coffee in the world"., I repeat very pretentious and not enough citations and references...

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.87.100.37 (talk) 13:19, 22 March 2011 (UTC) 

Improvement Project (IP)

There is way TOO many pictures in the article and the information is everywhere; I would like to invite any users to assist me in getting the article in better shape. I would like to also request the article be blocked because unregistered users many vandalize and revert any works. Any questions, do not be afraid to ask. Thank you, House1090 (talk) 20:35, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Salvadoran Demographics

Editors continue to vandalize the contents of this article. Under this article, when given race information, the statistics are always incorrect. There is no legitimate source suggesting El Salvador is 86% Mestizo 12% white and 1% Native. In Fact, if you are able to do some basic arithmetic, you'll see that 86 + 12 + 1 doesn't even equal 100. Therefore is no need to discuss if the information is incorrect, its common sense that it is. All legitimate sources including the CIA World Fact Book list the racial demographics of El Salvador as being 90% Mestizo, 9% white, and 1% Native. Even so, there is an inconsistency in the information presented in this article as the top of the page gives the numbers 86% Mestizo, 12% white, and 1% Native, while later stating the white population is 17%. So which one is it according to the uncited information of lies? Is it 12 or 17 percent? Why are people trying to aggressively trying to make the country whiter with no sources for their claims? There's only one source given for race and its exactly what I already said it was. 90, 9 and 1. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.53.252.28 (talk) 18:12, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

 Wikipedia should be shut down this is such a dumb place that is edited by uneducated idiots that don't know anything. Everything on this is opinion based and by what I can see in the El Salvador discussion and page people that don't like El Salvador are the ones writting and ruining the article. I see other countries with many pictures on their pages and nobody complains and the bad is left out and people write only good but when it comes to El Salvador I see nothing but bad. You oughta be ashamed of this website it sucks shut it down or actually use some facts for once and STOP letting the public edit because it is not helping.

Thats why there is a new source, from the salvadoran government... and it does not add to 100 because I percent is other. The article is under a major renovation, thats why somethings may not make sense. Please instead of doing disruptive work, discuss it. I have left you warnings on your talk page but you have not be cooperating. House1090 (talk) 21:11, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

That's interesting because I've never seen a single piece of statistical data represented as 99% even with "other" being a measurement. If "other" is a measurement it needs to be stated as a responsible editor would do. What would "other" be anyway? We know it can't be African because of the anti-African laws placed in El Salvador before the 80s. So 1% of El Salvador is Asian? This piece of data is incorrect and a source is still yet to be given for your 12% European claim. The link given doesn't work. Even IF what you claim is given a source, the data is STILL inconsistent considering one part of the article claims a 12% white population and another part claims a 17% white population. Whats your explanation for that? Apparently El Salvador is 5% French, German, Italian, Portuguese? Where is the source given for THAT claim? Everything I correct, I correct because I've come to a very reliable source and feel there needs to be a revision. I back up everything i revise and if you don't, then perhaps it is YOU that is vandalizing the article. The article being under renovation is no excuse to knowingly add obvious inconsistent material without adding any sources. If that's not "disruptive work" I don't know what is. Why are you trying to make El Salvador whiter than what it actually is anyway? Since when is white superior?

Stop being the problem, instead fix it. The 1% is Afro-Salvadorans, Asian-Salvadorans, Immigrants! Can't you comprehend? The source is far more correct than you will EVER be. Why would I want to make ESV whiter? What do I get out of it? Who said white is superior? You are putter words in my mouth. The white population is comprised of the people from Chalatenango, Santa Ana and other parts. The white population includes the LARGE NUMBER of Palestinians, like Antonio Saca. Do research please. Thanks, House1090 (talk) 06:54, 30 September 2011 (UTC) :)

I've been trying to fix the problem. You're the one causing a problem. What do you mean the source is far more correct than I? What part of your "source doesn't work" did you not understand? Click on it, it doesn't work. I guess the only thing left to do is contact Wikipedia. Once they see that you're source doesn't work for your white and mestizo demographic claim, and that you have ZERO sources for your claim that El Salvador is 5% French, Swedish, Italian etc and that I DO have a legitimate source from the CIA that the white population is only 9% I'm sure they'll know who is vandalizing. Not to mention once they see the obvious contradictions in your claims your respect as an editor will be devalued. Try some responsible editing next time. Just some advice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.53.252.28 (talk) 22:19, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Outdated/Inaccurate information

I wanted to make some changes to some parts of the article, specially about some incorrect information regarding the tourism section (and also remove two out of the four pictures which does not add any substance to the article or are of great importance either) but turns out that it shows as blocked until May 2012. How can I submit a change to put it to be reviewed? Also, seems like there has been allegedly some "major renovations" going on since 2011 but none of them seem to reach the Article. Please send me a message if you need help proofing information and some translation, since I am a Salvadorean native. Thanks. -- Quitex (talk) 04:28, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

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Salvador natives

Why do they have that the Salvadoran natives are only 1%? the actually number for the natives in their country is only between 10-12% natives while the 1% remaining is only white this is according to their very own country, what a shame that they try to make their natives in their country lower "Según la PDDH, en El Salvador entre el 10 y 12 por ciento de los 5.744.113 de habitantes son aborígenes, repartidos en cuatro pueblos indígenas (Maya, Kakawira, Lenca y Nahua-Pipil)."

When they talk about European immigration, they never received any, only a few Jewish refugees but thats about it, the Europeans never made in impact on that country, there are no european communities and yes I have been there, what a shame also that they make it sound like its very european and when I went there, the people look very much indigenous, something like Guatemalans

where are those 12% whites that this site was speaking of? I didnt see any out there

According to their genetics, they are on average 50-60% indigenous, yet its funny how they do not have their genetics out there, pretty strange also back then in the 80's, their country reported that the whites out there were only 1%, there is no way in hell that 1% went up because no European ever immigrated out there in great numbers, or is there a source that you can prove of all that immigration they speak up, please write down REAL information and dont blind the people, I was one of those blinded people who thought I would see that 12% whites, yet I never saw anything, more like short brown indigenous people, in all due respects but thats what majority of that country is made of, there are no european communities and never have been

In the late 1980s, the ethnic composition of the population was estimated as 89% “mestizo”, 10% Native American, and 1% “white” http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0006882 However, there is a general belief that much of the Salvadorian population in the 1980s had a predominantly Native American ancestry — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dawson714 (talk • contribs) 22:18, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

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Food

El salvador's main and most popular food are the pupusas — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.66.47.78 (talk) 17:13, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Revision made by House1090 (talk)

The user reverted my edits to a previous version that did not include all the proper and constructive copyedits I made to the text. Contrary to his assertion that the article is not a gallery, I added no gallery. I moved several images and added only a couple. I moved some to the Culture section where there was room, so as not to delete them and possibly offend whoever inserted them. Many of the images in the version he reverted to had no relation at all to the adjacent text; also, several of them were redundant pictures of some unrelated geographical feature. The ones I moved or used are pertinent to the text. I think anyone with an eye for layout can see that my version is more visually pleasing and has better flow than his revert, and the text was certainly improved. Carlstak (talk) 20:41, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

House1090 continues to make destructive edits that delete intervening constructive edits by users. He thinks that the article is crammed with too many pictures. It has fewer now than the version he keeps reverting to, and the images are relevant to the adjacent text, unlike many of those in the previous version he prefers. Carlstak (talk) 15:19, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 September 2012

The infobox should mention El Salvador's independence from Mexico on July 1, 1823. 92.99.19.229 (talk) 08:19, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Not done:. Contradicts article text. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 14:40, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 September 2012

Spain's recognition of El Salvador's independence is not necessary to have in the infobox since it was way after its actual independence and did not make any difference.

92.99.19.229 (talk) 08:24, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed.  TOW  talk  15:53, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

"Census" misused

The text reads, "As of 2009 ... approximatley" Implying that the population figure is from a 2009 estimate. The number, 5.7 million, is the result of the 2007 census. In the table on the right of the page, the text reads "2009 census: 5.7 million", but the census was conducted in 2007. I'd fix it myself but I dont have an account right now. Thank you 198.134.91.9 (talk) 01:04, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 12 December 2012

In the "Pre-Columbian" section of this article in the line "...Pipil people of Cuzcatlán, which means The Place of Precious Diamonds and Jewels..." you will need to change "Cuzcatlán" to "Cuzcatan" for the following reasons: 1. Cuzcatlán is not in the language of the Nahuat-Pipil, it is actually Nahuatl (Classical, also known as Aztecan), this is easily recognized notably by the /tl/ sound that the Pipil did not have, this sound was reduced to just /t/ in Nahuat-Pipil, thus "Cuzcatlán" is a nahuatlism (Amaroli 1986:4; Las Casas 1958:153) 2. This nahuatlism was adopted after the conquest of El Salvador and should be considered pejorative, early on the Pipil were considered to “speak a corrupt language” even though the linguist Lyle Campbell has argued that the /t/ sound is older than the /tl/, the labelling of "Cuzcatlán" only promotes the later. In the very same line "...which means The Place of Precious Diamonds and Jewels..." is partially false. The toponym Cuzcatan translates to “tierra de preseas”, (or land of preciousness or rich land) the word is a combination of cuzcat and the locative -tan. Cuzcat does not mean collar, but ultimately meaning jewel, rounded precious stone, so "The Place of Precious Diamonds and Jewels" should be at least changed to "The Place of Jewels" (Amaroli 1986:4), since there are NO references to diamonds. El Salvador due to its rich volcanic soil was rich in agriculture, it stems to reason that the richness refereed to their ability to grow large amounts of cacao (Fowler 1989), as the Pipil were known for. I am shocked that there are no reference to the claims made in the original text and that the error keeps replicating. please change X to Y because Guanaco 22:09, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Pol430 talk to me 23:31, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 24 December 2012

Hello, I have one simple request to change the demonym which is currently being used for El Salvador from "Salvadoran" to "Salvadorean." It is a common misrepresentation of a person from El Salvador and I am absolutely aware of it since I am from El Salvador. I have no text or article that I can point you to though. I hope you can understand that my only supporting evidence is actual people like myself. One simple letter "e" comes in between the letter "r" and the letter "a" and it establishes the appropriate way to pronounce the term, as well. I have no other requests. Thanks for your time,

Oscar Marroquin

108.56.244.201 (talk) 19:45, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Could you please find a citation for this? Thanks! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 02:51, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Comment. The Oxford American Dictionary agrees with the requester, listing only the '-ean' spelling. However, American Heritage and Random House list "Salvadoran" and "Salvadorian" (with an 'i') but not "Salvadorean". Merriam-Webster and Collins list all three spellings. Imo all three spellings should be listed in the infobox and one consistent spelling used throughout the article. Rivertorch (talk) 09:11, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Infobox  Done. --Canoe1967 (talk) 22:55, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

False Information

I would like for you to add their genetic studies done on the people of El Salvador According to a genetic research by the University of Brasilia, Salvadorian genetic admixture consists in a 75.2% Amerindian, 15.1% European, and 9.7% African ancestry. bdtd.bce.unb.br/tedesimplificado/tde_busca/arquivo.php?codArquivo=3873

Also where do you get that El Salvador is 12% white? And also why are you not providing any source with its European communities? They do not have those communities, they do not exist unless you can provide your sources

I would like to mention that 1% is not made up of native americans, the real number is 10%-12% according to PDDH http://www.soitu.es/soitu/2008/08/09/info/1218307640_720352.html Según la PDDH, en El Salvador entre el 10 y 12 por ciento de los 5.744.113 de habitantes son aborígenes, repartidos en cuatro pueblos indígenas (Maya, Kakawira, Lenca y Nahua-Pipil). Translation: According PDDH in El Salvador between 10 and 12 percent of the 5,744,113 inhabitants are aborigines, divided into four tribes (Maya, Kakawira, Nahua-Pipil and Lenca).

In the late 1980s, the ethnic composition of the population was estimated as 89% “mestizo”, 10% Native American, and 1% “white”. And as you can see, it hasn't changed one bit http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0006882 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barzie (talk • contribs) 14:55, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Christy Turlington

With all due respect to Mrs. Turlington, I cannot presume to know how she identifies herself, I believe her prominent picture in the Salvadoran people section is undue weight because she is only of only partial Salvadoran descent through her mother, she was not born in El Salvador, and as far as I know she does not hold the Salvadoran nationality. I think Mrs. Turlington's picture would find a better home in a Wiki page about the Salvadoran people or diaspora and not one about the Republic for the reasons stated above. I know that Christy Turlington is a world-wide fashion icon and probably as sucessful as any Salvadoran has even been, but she is as Salvadoran as Monica Lewinsky, whose father was born in San Salvador in 1943 to German-Jews parents rescued from the Nazi Holocaust by the Righteous Among the Nations Jose Arturo Castellanos. I think Col. Castellanos, who rescued thousands of European Jews by giving them Salvadoran citizenship would make a fitting replacement for Mrs. Turlington. I hope someone agrees with me and makes the change. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.247.172.49 (talk) 21:33, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 31 January 2013

Done Carlstak (talk) 13:40, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit Request on March 1st, 2013

Please fix everything that reads ""Republica del Salvador" with "Republica del Salvador". Republica de El Salvador is grammatically incorrect in the Spanish language. the 'de' and the 'el' should be joined together creating 'del', thus making "Republica del Salvador."

All the El Salvadoran government websites use the form "Republica de El Salvador". See [4] Carlstak (talk) 05:08, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Gender Equality in El Salvador

The current information on El Salvador does not address women’s rights in the country. For a class that I am in, I will be posting a new article entitled, “Gender Equality in El Salvador.” The article will discuss women in El Salvador, with the main sections being legal rights, politics, employment, domestic life, education, health care, and crimes against women. It will look at current figures from the UNDP's Gender Inequality Index, as well as present views from academia on moving forward. With high rates of violence against women, including femicides, the article is needed to shed light on gender inequality in El Salvador. I would appreciate any feedback on the proposed article, as well as any direction on finding feminist academic sources that are relevant to the country.

Nelson Gladwell (talk) 06:57, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Forest in El Salvador

I see that my change has been reverted so I would like to elaborate a little bit on my motives. I don't mean that there should be no mention of tropical forest at all but right in the lede of the article on the whole country, on a par with human development index and before any information on history or politics? The question is not really if that's important or not but rather if it is one of the 5 or 10 key facts that one needs to know about the country and I still don't see it.

Furthermore, if there must be something about this topic, it must be some overview of the state or importance of forest in El Salvador. A rate of change over some arbitrary time period is not informative at all. Does it reflect a large increase in a country with significant forest cover? A moderate increase in absolute terms from a very small baseline? And what does it mean? Demographic decline? Successful conservation effort? Forest plantation for industrial exploitation? Urbanization and decline of traditional agriculture? Finally, the current statement is simply false and contradicts its own source. Forest cover is in fact growing in many countries around the world and the whole point of the article cited is to point out that fact. No matter what's actually happening in El Salvador, this source cannot possibly support the idea that it is “one of the few countries experiencing” anything.

At the end of the day, I am still unconvinced that this topic is important enough to figure so prominently but if someone more knowledgeable than me thinks it is, I don't have a problem with that. However, the disputed sentence is worse than nothing. It is factually inaccurate, implying some things without any actual information and, pending improvements, I think it should remain out. GL (talk) 18:01, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Constitution

It is unclear to me from the article whether El Salvador is a federal state. There are "departments", but what is their status within the state of El Salvador? Thank you. Andrew H. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.148.15.142 (talk) 13:47, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Incorrect Human Development Index information in lede

According to this ranking of HDI for 2010 http://hdr.undp.org/en/media/HDR_2010_EN_Table1_reprint.pdf, El Salvador's 2010 HDI score is behind Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, Panama, Mexico, Costa Rica, Peru, Brazil, Ecuador, Belize, and Colombia; making it twelfth-highest in Latin America and not in the top 10. I am removing the incorrect information and replacing it with twelfth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VmZH88AZQnCjhT40 (talk • contribs) 16:12, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Economy

"Compact" in the following sentence should be changed to "contract." "In late 2006, the government and the Millennium Challenge Corporation signed a five-year, $461 million compact to stimulate economic growth and reduce poverty in the country's northern region, the primary conflict zone during the civil war, through investments in education, public services, enterprise development, and transportation infrastructure." Levikeene (talk) 16:46, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 July 2014

change

'the origins of many of El Salvador's ruins is controversial'

to

the origins... are

or

the origin ... is

because, as currenly written, the subject 'origins' (plural) does not agree with the verb 'is' (singular)

Mewly2hams (talk) 21:52, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for pointing that out - Arjayay (talk) 08:18, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Secular state?

According to Article 26 of the El Salvadoran constitution, the Catholic Church is recognized by the government and given legal preference. Does that mean El Salvador is not a secular state? Illegitimate Barrister 21:50, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Environment Section

The environment of El Salvador can be cataloged into one sub-section. This area would organize content already in the article about the government's role. It would list the natural capital available and current usage, population mapping urban-rural communities: Thematic-Population, and issues about pollution.

Usulutan86 (talk) 01:28, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

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I strongly suggest that the article should mention the historical campaign that ended in the ban of mining for metals in the country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.71.142.102 (talk) 21:43, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

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Indian reservations

Does El Salvador has Indian reservations like this: Lands inhabited by indigenous peoples--Kaiyr (talk) 16:16, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

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Please completely remove under the Demonyn section " Serotes (Informal)"

This is an extremely derogatory term to use to refer to people. I'm pretty sure the person who wrote this did it as a joke. Apserrano (talk) 19:23, 21 November 2017 (UTC) Apserrano (talk) 19:23, 21 November 2017 (UTC)aserrano

@Apserrano:  Done. I Googled it and, while it's obviously an insult, I couldn't find a clear explanation. What does it mean? (And if you're not comfortable translating it, that's fine; it's gone either way.) Thank you for finding this. CityOfSilver 19:53, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Rapidly

We are told that the number of evangelicals is growing rapidly. Wikipedia is not an advertisement for anyone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C0:7C80:8401:4874:DDAD:C8EF:64AE (talk) 15:34, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

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Human Development Index out of date

Why use 2010 HDI numbers when 2016 ones are now available? Per my reading of the 2016 report, El Salvador has fallen to 16/21 of the Latin American countries, and remains at 4/7 for Central America. Also worth noting is that it currently leads the world's intentional homicide rates (see here).--124.150.79.29 (talk) 11:38, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

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| GDP_PPP = $59.226 billion | GDP_PPP_year = 2018 | GDP_PPP_per_capita = $9,256 | GDP_nominal = $28.776 billion | GDP_nominal_year = 2018 | GDP_nominal_per_capita = $4,497

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Oscar Romero

change ((Oscar Romero)) to ((Óscar Romero)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:541:4500:1760:8ca3:45fe:8592:bc0f (talk • contribs)

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Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2018

Change "El Salvador has one of the highest murder rates in the world." to "El Salvador has the highest murder rate in the world."

• The source cited, as well as the wiki page on global murder rate, indicates that El Salvador has the HIGHEST murder rate, not, "one of the highest" 68.41.73.176 (talk) 21:51, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

 Done L293D (☎ • ✎) 00:01, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Given that this sort of statistic is not static and constantly changing from year to year it makes more sense to make a generalized statement in regards to it. According to this website there are several other countries with a higher rate: http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/murder-rate-by-country/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.6.176.88 (talk) 13:53, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

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Nahua-Pipil the people and language

I'll try to be clear on this. My issue is that I constantly see fallacious information concerning El Salvador's indigenous past. I would like to address two: 1. Civilization in El Salvador... ...by the Native American Pipil people, who were descendants of the Aztecs. Rebuttal 1: First and foremost the Pipil are not descendants from the Aztecs, the term Aztecs is usually reserved for the Mexica people of Tenochtitlan. In fact, based on oral history (mainly of the Nicarao, who arguably spoke a very similar language to Nahua-Pipil), and anyone can look this up by reading William Fowler, Lyle Campbell and Paul Amaroli (I'll list the references below),it clearly suggests that the people migrated south from central Mexico and arrived in Central America by 900 AD, well before any existence of the Mexica hegemony or as they are known, the Aztecs. So that has to be changed, the Nahua-Pipil are a distinct people and not Azteca. 2. They called their territory Kozkatlan, a Nahuatl word... Rebuttal 2: No this is fallacious. First Nahua-Pipil is not Nahuatl (or Classical Aztecan) it is different, and perhaps an older form of Nahuat (see: Lyle Campbell), and referred to as Nahua-Pipil or Nawat. Second Kozkatlan, is normally spelled Cozcatlan and not with a 'k' (that is ever with a), so this is an orthographic problem (from cozcatl [jewel; necklace] and the locative suffix -tlan [land of]) (you can see any Nahuatl dictionary to verify this). Okay now that that is out of the way, the Pipil called their land Cuzcatan, please notice the "t" instead of the "tl" sound, in fact look up Nahuat in wikipedia for further information to verify this. So quite literally the name means "place of jewels", I admit the exact meaning is lost, but may have referred to the rich soil in the department of San Salvador. So saying that its Aztecan or Nahuatl is misleading. In fact the right toponym was abandoned more than 150 years ago, in favor of Cuzcatlán and Cuscatlán, in preference to the Classic Nahuatl spoken by the Mexica.

This corrections have to be made, they are not my opinion, they are factual. It also delegitimatizes the legacy of the Nahua-Pipil and in my opinion, extends the final blow of Alvarado, the eradication of the original inhabitants of western El Salvador of the 1500's.

References:

Amaroli, Paul E. 1986 En La Busqueda de Cuscatlan: Un Proyecto Etnohistórico y Arqueológico. Unpublished manuscript, Patronato Pro-Patrimonio Cultural, San Salvador. (you can get this in the FUNDAR website)

Campbell, Lyle 1985 The Pipil Language of El Salvador. Berlin: Mouton.

Fowler, William R., Jr. 1989 The Cultural Evolution of Ancient Nahua Civilizations: The Pipil-Nicarao of Central America. Norman: University of Oklahoma Press. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fmoreira (talk • contribs) 05:47, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

From reading other articles there are no reliable sources that support the notion that indigenous populations anywhere in the American continent ever perceived European foreigners as any kind of deities as a paragraph in this article asserts about natives from Mexico and Guatemala. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.6.176.88 (talk) 14:02, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Common Name Salvadorean People are know as...

Can someone please edit the common name that supposedly salvadorean people are known as...? It is very offensive and not accurate... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chirpapatella (talk • contribs) 01:19, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

indian reservations

Are there any indian reservations?--— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaiyr (talk • contribs) 17:36, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

No longer country with highest homicide rate in the world

I think the section on crime in needs an update, El Salvador hasn't had the highest homicide rate in the world since 2016.

--JFlord (talk) 04:56, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Glad to hear it (at least for the Salvadoreños). Do you have a reliable source to cite, per Wikipedia's verifiability policy? Thanks. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 09:26, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

People list and surfing

We seem to have a problem of a big list of people being added that is not the norm in articles of the nature pls it's barely sourced. Also not sure why we are advertising surfing in the first section?--Moxy 🍁 20:53, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Article looks much better since you removed that unnecessary, unsourced clutter, and now the first mention of surfing is in the tourism section, which is appropriate. Thanks. Carlstak (talk) 15:47, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Think we need administration intervention here.....huge unsourced list of people that we don't see in articles of this nature and a copy pasting of the tourist article here in the first section you see.--Moxy 🍁 00:53, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Well, it appears that I was right with my first removal, before reverting myself; sorry about that, Moxy. I was checking with Earwig's Copyvio Detector. Ironically, I had done some heavy editing years ago on some of the content that was copied by others from this article. I trust your vigilance implicitly.

Diannaa, a Canadian also, is the one to go to about copyvio and revdel issues. She gets things done. Carlstak (talk) 01:20, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

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Never ever has fallen snow in this country

In the pital it has never snowed, the most that has fallen is frost https://chalatenango.sv/el-dia-que-callo-nieve-en-el-salvador — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.86.109.13 (talk) 04:57, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

people of el salvador civil war

El salvador's civil war: 1979-1992, government death squad leaders, also responsible for killing people's hero bishop oscar romero: general hector regalado, roberto d'aubuisson, alvaro rafael savaria!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.31.92.251 (talk) 20:41, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 June 2021

Update Currency to include Bitcoin in addition to US Dollar

https://twitter.com/nayibbukele/status/1402507224916836352?s=20 Pathofkarma (talk) 06:20, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

• Add « bitcoin » in currency 2A04:CEC0:10C4:9F6D:6CA0:2795:685:2BF4 (talk) 06:31, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done (this page is not protected, and may be edited directly as appropriate). — xaosflux ^Talk 10:06, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Article Population Problem

This article seems to be "having a problem" in some of the places where the population of the country is referenced. . . . the opening paragraph . . . the "thing" on the right side where population is referenced/displayed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kibbled Jive Elk Zoo (talk • contribs) 08:07, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Kibbled Jive Elk Zoo, can you be a bit more explicit as to what the problem you see is? Is there a display issue? CMD (talk) 08:30, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

This was due to an error with the population template used in the infobox, it has now been resolved. CMD (talk) 08:07, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Suggestion for section on science and technology

Hi, just a suggestion, many country articles have sections or subsections for 'science and technology', this could be a section on this article as well.

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 11:41, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of "Template:Largest cities of El Salvador"

Template:Largest cities of El Salvador has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 10:04, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

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