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BBC Cuts short semi-final 1?

Is it worth mentioning in the Incidents section the BBC cutting short the first semi-final because of technical problems? There are reliable sources to confirm this from several news outlets however is it notable enough to include it? C. 22468 Talk to me 15:48, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

As it's something which relates to the viewing experience in United Kingdom alone, it seems to be very appropriate, and interesting, to the article focusing on UK-in Eurovision 2019. אומנות (talk) 17:02, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Against: I agree with אומנות. Better in the UK page. —Dimsar01 ^Talk ⌚→ 21:32, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Comment: The BBC has done this for years where they air their own produced shorts during the breaks designed for other broadcasters to take commercial breaks. For example 2016 while Europe saw "The Grey People" viewers in the UK saw a skit about Joe and Jack going on a tour of Sweden with Lynda Woodruff. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 09:21, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

As far as I'm aware there is no rhyme or reason as to why they do this unlike in the United States Logo TV was forced to air "The Grey People" from the first semi-final during Justin Timberlake's performance due to rights issues. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 09:27, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

@Alucard 16: That's not what Coolguy22468 is referring to, at the end of the results BBC Four cut to black and a minute late an apology caption was shown for the loss of picture.[1]. -- AxG / ✉  09:35, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

@AxG: Ah I added that to the article because multiple broadcasters had issues with the semi-final 1 broadcast. I was unaware of this discussion when I added it. I don't think I added specific details from the UK but it is worth mentioning. See the section Eurovision Song Contest 2019#Semi-final 1 technical issues. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 09:43, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

I expanded the UK example and added what Coolguy22468 asked about since the technical issues were not related exclusively to just the United Kingdom which merits inclusion on the main Eurovision page. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 09:50, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

TVP is Polish broadcaster

In the section Semi-final 1 technical issues, it is written that TVP is the Portuguese broadcaster. It is the Polish one. Yoyo 360^{Wanna talk?} 12:10, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

@Yoyo360:  Fixed —Dimsar01 ^Talk ⌚→ 14:08, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

guest appearance by Quavo

Madonna is going to perform "Future" alongside Quavo. DuduB (talk) 13:24, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

@DuduB:  Already done Can't you see it? It's there since yesterday. —Dimsar01 ^Talk ⌚→ 14:09, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Official Channels of Kan 11 in YouTube

All the three channels of Kan 11 in YouTube are official, and were intended to broadcast the accessibility, because the EBU did not permit interpreters on the stage. If you watch the Kan 11 channels on YouTube, you will see the official logo of Kan 11. Here you see the channel of the final contest. It would be opened in two days. Now it is closed. You may see that it has 285,000 subscribers.
Avoiding the YouTube channels in WP is against copyright violations, but these channels are fully official.
It is impossible to remove three sources, then put {{Unreferenced section}} template. The description of the clothes was intended to identify the five different Israeli interpreters. Dgw (talk) 11:51, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

@Dorian Gray Wild: Nobody said that the Kan channels are not official. We just can't use YouTube as sources in WP. You have to find written articles and add them as sources. What I did is possible, but if no sources are added in a few days, I or someone else will remove the unsourced sections (the last two specifically).

"The description of the clothes was intended to identify the five different Israeli interpreters." Yeah, there's no need for that. —Dimsar01 ^Talk ⌚→ 21:37, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

The relevent policy is here at Wikipedia:Video links: This page in a nutshell: Videos on user-submitted sites can sometimes be used as references or external links, but copyright infringement and unreliability will rule out the use of many of these videos. -- AxG / ✉  21:45, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

As AxG wrote, there was nothing wrong with the YouTube channels which broadcast the contest in an accessible mode. It is not "user-submitted sites", because it broadcast the contest as is, without any additions or commentaries, except the accessibility itself. For now the opinions are 2 vs 1. Therefore nobody may remove the accessibility chapter. By the way, I did not know that the Israeli interpreters had to remain anonymous. The French television has already interviewed them. Dgw (talk) 23:00, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

@AxG:, Deaf relates to people who are culturally Deaf, i.e. sign and share other cultural events, like the movie The Tribe for example. Hard of hearing relates to deaf people who prefer to talk than sign. It is explained in Deaf culture. Dgw (talk) 03:17, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

I'll have to look but I believe KAN's accessibility broadcasts were reported on by press in which case we can use here for sources. There was even an incident with one of the accessibility feeds during Semi-Final 1 while unique to Israel it relates to the "call to boycott" section. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 04:12, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

When the press reports the channel, it does it briefly, as you may see here at minute 58:08. The video quality is worse, and no press would show a video of more than two hours. Only Kan 11 displays it. I know nothing about boycotts, and the contest is fully broadcast on these channels. Are not they accessible to you? It is the broadcast of yesterday (the second semi-final). Dgw (talk) 06:57, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Dorian Gray Wild I found an English source from Jerusalem Post about Kan's accessibility feeds. I re-worded the section and integrated the source into it along with the article from Kan. This should elevate any souring issues. What I was talking about earlier was anti-Israeli hackers attacking the accessibility feeds to display anti-Israeli messages. I found English sources along with a reliable source in Hebrew and created a section about it under Incidents. I also included a section about where multiple broadcasters had issues with the broadcast of semi-final 1 around Europe. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 09:25, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Alucard 16, I saw your edit, and explained it in my edit summary: Tomer Levi was the leader of the accessibility project, which was paid by Edmond de Rothschild Group. Without Levi, there was not accessibility for blind people neither.

It is also clearly written in the Jerusalem post:

"The sign language interpretation is being provided by Sign Now, an initiative born out of the Edmond de Rothschild Foundation, through graduates of its leadership programming.

"Our sign language interpreters, who will lead the initiative, are practicing all of the Eurovision songs," the foundation told The Jerusalem Post this week."

May I know your answer about YouTube links? Is it proper to put the links of Kan 11 YouTube channels? Why does WP have this template {{YouTube|id=VIDEOID|title=TITLE}} if it is impossible to use it? Dgw (talk) 10:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

@Dorian Gray Wild: My views about YouTube links in general line up with WP:YOUTUBE when it comes to the links to the channels themselves I don't think they would be suitable for Wikipedia as they are live stream only links from my understanding. As I'm in the United States these links are also geo-blocked to me and thus I'm unable to check them for myself. I hope this answers your question. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 10:39, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

The links are not only live stream, because the video content is also reserved for further documentation. I am so sorry that the links are blocked. It makes them useless for the English WP. Tough luck. Dgw (talk) 11:19, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Here is another link (not accessible). It is made by Eurovision Song Contest (not by "Kan"), 16 hours ago. Is it also blocked? Here is an explanation how to watch it. Dgw (talk) 11:34, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes all live stream links are geo-blocked for United States/Canada due to a rights issue. I have a way around it which I can't say here. Are you wanting to use the YouTube links as sources or link to them in the External Links section? If your wanting to use the contest as a source you can use {{cite episode}} instead. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 11:47, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

It is not a live stream. The broadcast ended 16 hours ago. I put it as external link. I hope it would not be deleted by another editor. Thank you, Dgw (talk) 12:19, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Alucard 16, AxG, please see it. It is not accepted, especially not the "?" sign. We are three. He is one. There is nothing harmful with this link. Please see also this. It is not Israel. Israel is the Israeli singer (Kobi Marimi), the pre-contest in Israel (Rising Star (Israeli TV series)), Shalva band and Shabbat etc. Dgw (talk) 14:26, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Dorian Gray Wild I'll have to re-read this discussion as I'm still not sure what the purpose of having the link to watch the second semi-final has to do with the article. I wasn't feeling very well last night. I'm in the process of starting a new section about the other edit you mentioned. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 02:38, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

I wish you will feel well. The link of the second semi final has 1,949,198 views since May 16, 2019. It is the regular link to Eurovision.tv, not to Kan. If you think that it is not needed, you may say it. Dgw (talk) 02:53, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Madonna confirmation

Although Madonna's performance was initially confirmed in early April, it wasn't official until 16 May (source 1); prior to that, her appearance was in doubt through contractual issues. (source 2) — MouldyFox (talk) 14:23, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

It was officially confirmed yesterday so Madonna will appear at the Grand final Sammyham84 (talk) 16:54, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

I wasn't doubting her appearance, just the details of how it came about. The interval acts paragraph begins with "On 8 April 2019, it was confirmed that Madonna will perform...", but mentions nothing of the doubt over her appearance, or precisely when it was official. I would have thought such details—the contractual concerns, etc.—were pertinent to the section. — MouldyFox (talk) 06:19, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Ah I see what you mean Mouldyfox the way it reads now someone would think that on April 8th that Madonna was on lock and the songs she was performing was already known. We did not know at that time Future would be one of the two songs. The bit about Madonna does need to be re-written or at the very least the date changed from April 8 to May 16. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 09:26, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

@Mouldyfox:  Done The date was changed and the text was changed to "confirmed by the EBU". —Dimsar01 ^Talk ⌚→ 10:02, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Televote problems

There seem to have been severe problems with the televote during the 1st semifinal. For some numbers, people did not get through or received error messages. It seems to have affected mainly Portugal and Hungary. At the moment it's eveywhere in the Portuguese newspapers. There is even a petition on change.org to recount the votes or revote. --92.78.249.48 (talk) 23:06, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

IP I found 1 source on this topic from Eurovoix so far if you could post some sources here about this topic it would be appreciated. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 02:50, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Here are some, only in Portuguese, though:

https://www.cmjornal.pt/famosos/detalhe/fas-alertam-eurovisao-para-falhas-na-votacao-de-conan-osiris https://mag.sapo.pt/showbiz/artigos/justiceforconan-fas-indignados-com-a-eliminacao-de-conan-osiris-da-eurovisao https://www.noticiasaominuto.com/pais/1253424/fas-indignados-dizem-nao-ter-conseguido-votar-em-conan-osiris https://www.informamais.pt/fas-com-problemas-na-hora-de-votar-em-conan-osiris-erros-estao-a-ser-reportados-a-chefe-de-delegacao/ In this tweet people are posting the error messages they received, but I fear that is not an accepted source: https://twitter.com/jonolasand/status/1128603695288078336 --92.78.249.48 (talk) 11:33, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

If possible, English-language or international sources as Portuguese ones might not be objective because they wanted Portugal to qualify. And yes, Jon Ola's posts doesn't say anything; only the point difference between the countries in the 10th and 11th place. —Dimsar01 ^Talk ⌚→ 11:42, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

It is not in the twitter post itself, but people are posting the error messages beneath it as a comment. --92.78.249.48 (talk) 11:46, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Oh I didn't read them. But yes, comments are obviously not sources. —Dimsar01 ^Talk ⌚→ 12:22, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Spokespersons

Have every countries spokesperson for tonight not been announced? I see only 28. Regards.94.234.55.140 (talk) 07:26, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

All the spokespersons were obviously revealed at yesterday night's second dress rehearsal. But if there isn't a source with a list of them we can't add them. —Dimsar01 ^Talk ⌚→ 10:07, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Most of the spokespersons at the ESC 2018 article are unsourced still. So I see no problem in adding them all.--BabbaQ (talk) 12:31, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

@BabbaQ: All of them are sourced (check the reference above – https://eurovision.tv/story/spokespersons-grand-final-eurovision-2018). Plus, that's wrong and any unsourced content will be removed. —Dimsar01 ^Talk ⌚→ 12:38, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Maltese spokesperson

Ben Camille, best known for presenting the 2016 Junior Eurovision Song Contest, is returning as the spokesperson for Malta in tonight's Eurovision final in Tel Aviv. – https://eurovoix.com/2019/05/18/malta-ben-camille-returns-as-eurovision-spokesperson/ Shiruba98 (talk) 14:39, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done Sammyham84 (talk) 15:29, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Belarusian jury dismissal

I think this sounds like a good topic to be put in the "incidents" section. LexPro4 (talk) 15:45, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Obviously; I have added it. —Dimsar01 ^Talk ⌚→ 16:27, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Slovak commentators

According to post on Facebook page of Radio FM Radio_FM and website of Radio FM https://fm.rtvs.sk/rubriky/podujatia_fm/193967/finale-eurovizie-s-balazom-a-hubinakom, the final of Eurovision was commented by Daniel Baláž, Pavol Hubinák, Juraj Malíček, Monika Midriaková and Oliver Rehák. The main commentators were Daniel Baláž and Pavol Hubinák

Madeinslovakia (talk) 12:25, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Slovakia

Slovakia's RTVS are missing not "due to financial difficulties" - they are the state broadcaster and are not in financial difficulties.

It's just they don't want to spend the money on this competition, which is not "iconic" here in the same way as it is elsewhere, when there are other things to spend money on.

Can we change this to "for financial reasons" as that would also be better supported by the source given. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.212.36.193 (talk) 22:31, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

 Not done Sorry, what's stated is sourced. —Dimsar01 ^Talk ⌚→ 18:08, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Winner of Contest

In recent moments the Winner of the contest has been the Netherlands, with the victorious song “Arcade” by Duncan Laurence. Feel free to add information on certain developments. Heroe Of Time (talk) 23:11, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

 Already done —Dimsar01 ^Talk ⌚→ 18:09, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Norwegian issues

Would it go to the Norway in the Eurovision article or the main one as their song had technical issues during the jury final.[2] [3] Matt294069 (talk) 00:05, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done —Dimsar01 ^Talk ⌚→ 18:09, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Other awards/OGAE section

The end of the opening sentence of the Other awards section reads "Additionally, the OGAE voting poll took place before the final." -- this seems to suggest the main OGAE poll took place between the semi-finals & final, when the OGAE results were announced at the end of April. Perhaps a better way to put it would be:

"In addition to the main winner's trophy, the Marcel Bezençon Awards and the Barbara Dex Award were contested during the contest, and the OGAE poll results were announced on 30 April 2019."

— MouldyFox (talk) 08:22, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

 Fixed —Dimsar01 ^Talk ⌚→ 18:11, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Hatari Palestinian banner

"During the unveiling of results, members of the Icelandic entry Hatari were also seen presenting a banner containing the Palestine flag, eliciting a negative reaction from the audience."

Suggest altering the latter part of this sentence: it is not supported by either of the citations; rewatching the BBC's coverage on iPlayer, you can hear that the audience makes a lot of noise after the banner is displayed, but it sounds a lot more like a mixture of boos and cheers than a straightforwardly "negative reaction".

 Done: Has been removed all together —Dimsar01 ^Talk ⌚→ 18:14, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Removing content from main article

Dimsar01 please explain this edit. I am fully aware that country specific issues or incidents should be placed on the country specific page (like the controversy surrounding Poland's music video). However the cyber attacks that were made to Kan's online broadcasts were reported on by English sources and affect this specific contest as the cyber attacks were done in opposition to the Eurovision Song Contest being hosted in Israel according to the sources. It ties in with the calls for boycott section in this article. Therefore it should be included in this article not Israel in the Eurovision Song Contest 2019

Also you have a habit of removing stuff and stating in edit summaries that it should be moved somewhere else like in this edit above. If you feel it belongs somewhere else then be WP:BOLD and move it there or at least leave a message here on the talk page so the editor knows what you did and your reasoning. If it wasn't for Dorian Gray Wild pinging me in another discussion I would have not known what you did. I'm reverting your edit for now until a discussion and consensus is reached. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 02:45, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

@Alucard 16: As you said, I removed it because it's a country specific issue. In my opinion, it could be merged with the other section which is about problems in multiple countries. —Dimsar01 ^Talk ⌚→ 10:04, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

I wouldn't be opposed to merging the two sections about the first semi-final technical issues however due to the general opposition of Israel hosting Eurovision and the fact their online broadcast of this specific contest was the one that was hacked is why I initially put it here instead of Israel in the Eurovision Song Contest 2019. Had this been any other year and this happened I would have put this incident in the specific Israeli article. It honestly makes no sense having the sections about boycotting and Pro-Palestine demonstrations in the main article and not mentioning anything about the cyber-attacks that were done to Kan's online broadcast of semi-final 1. Next time Dimsar01 all I ask is you at least make an editor aware when you remove something like this in the future because the system did not send me an automatic notification. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 09:21, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Image

Hi Alucard 16 and AxG, this edit was reverted. I went by it. I did not find a rule against image in infobox. Jjj1238 could be bold and put it in the article instead of reverting it. Dgw (talk) 19:56, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

We here generally don't put other images in the infobox other than the logo, map and flags. The image is very welcome to be put in the article though. -- AxG / ✉  20:23, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Pretty much what AxG said usually the infobox isn't the place for images except for logo, map and flags. It can be incorporated into the article near the presenters section however. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 01:29, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Error Belgium/Belarus in semi final 1 scoreboard

I spotted some errors in the scoreboard for semi final 1. The 4 points from the televoters from Serbia are for Belarus, not Belgium. Also the total jury score for Belgium is 50, not 40. Samaritaan (talk) 22:18, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done and corrected Samaritaan thanks for spotting that! Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 03:04, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Final results have been adjusted, if you have editing rights please edit the page to reflect this.

The votes from the Belarusian jury have been discarded and a new official vote tally has been made to reflect this. I suggest a new column on the far left of the two Voting Results tables called "Corrected results". Official statement here. 81.229.78.249 (talk) 18:38, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Belarus jury votes

While I do not oppose the change, I would be remiss if I didn't mention that a similar situation happened in 2016, where a Danish juror sent in her votes incorrectly, which changed the results as well. For the 2016 page, however, there was consensus not to change the results outlined on the actual page, instead having the section about that in the controversies section explain the important differences in the result as a result of that change. I was wondering if we're going to do the same here or change how the results are displayed entirely to comply with the EBU statement. --PootisHeavy (talk) 19:01, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Jury irregularities

There have been reports of jury votes being presented incorrectly or jury members supposedly voting backwards.

Some sources (1, 2) are reporting that the Belarusian jury points in the final were decided through an aggregate of the other countries' points in their semi-final allocation pot: Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Russia. However, the points presented in the final were the aggregate backwards, and this is what led to North Macedonia placing second in the jury vote behind Sweden. The sources for this are not as substantive (I haven't checked every Eurovision site), and there has been no word on it from the EBU or the Belarusian broadcaster, but it still is quite shocking and makes sense.

Many sources, however, are commenting on how it appears two jurors presented their points backwards in the semi-finals (Jitka Zelenková of Czech Republic in SF1, and Lina Hedlund of Sweden in SF2). Numerous sources are published about this alleged instances (Czech 1, Sweden 1, Sweden 2, Sweden 3), but once again, there has been no confirmation from the EBU, Zelenková, Hedlund, the Czech broadcaster, or the Swedish broadcaster. If Zelenková did vote incorrectly though, and her points were corrected, Poland would've qualified instead of Belarus; that is significant.

Should these incidents be included or mentioned in the incidents section, or should we wait for official statements (if they ever come)? { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 16:02, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

In my opinion, they all may be worth mentioning, but for the belarusian votes, it should be well-indicated that this is a very speculative statement. From what they say, ESCXtra has contacted the EBU so maybe an official statement will come, though I doubt about it. Yoyo 360^{Wanna talk?} 22:12, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Yeah I would mention all but the Belorussian jury unless the EBU issues releases an official statement about the Belorussian vote. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 01:26, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Actually strike my previous comment might be worth adding the Belorussian jury voting issue now that a producer has threatened to sue the EBU. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 10:38, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm adding the incidents now. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 16:16, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

A statement from the EBU has been released : https://eurovision.tv/story/ebu-issues-statement-on-eurovision-2019-grand-final-result Yoyo 360^{Wanna talk?} 16:48, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Alucard 16, it seems that it was written twice and was also in the openning paragraph of the article. Dgw (talk) 08:52, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Adjusted final votes

I know everyone if gonna have their own opinion on the handling of the adjusted scores, but I personally think it would be appropriate to do that dotted line thing I see on Wikipedia sometimes that triggers a pop-up with info on it (not sure what it's called but I hope I've made myself clear), so that you can show the broadcasted vs official results of countries whose jury/overall total has changed. This should be implemented in the Participating Countries > Final and Scoreboard > Final sections (inc. the 12 points section).91.84.84.134 (talk) 19:20, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

I feel like that gives undue weight to the incorrect scores. While it's definitely noteworthy that there was an adjustment later, I don't see why the incorrect score needs so much prominence. Grk1011 (talk) 20:28, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

In the final, the Israelian jury gave 12 points to the Netherlands, which is missing from the table. Alex1 (talk) 22:40, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

I can see it there now. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:22, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

If Ernst & Young can't even get a "substitute aggregated result" for Eurovision right, what hope is there for their audits of the accounts of various multinational companies? But interestingly, the official statement says this "This had no impact on the calculation of points derived from televoting across the 41 participating countries and the overall winner and Top 4 songs of the Contest remain unchanged. Just the Top 4, eh? So, not exactly a trivial change to the over results table? The UK entry suffered a 31.25% score reduction. Scandalous. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:30, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Israel got 12 points from Belarus, and not 0 like it show in the table!!!

Azerbaijan's map

I think we should add the contreversy regarding Azerbaijan's map. Basically, according to official complaint by Ictimai TV, Eurovisiob didn't showed Karabakh and Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic as part of the country, the latter being an exclave of Azerbaijan. It caused a massive outcry in Azerbaijan. Sources in Azerbaijani: [4] [5]; Sources in English: [6] [7] --► Sincerely: A¥×aᚢ ⚔ Zaÿïþzaþ€ 22:04, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Personally, I think the truth should always win. But looking at those sources.... that image is "a map" of Azerbaijan?? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:19, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

As it only relates to a specific country's concerns and not the contest as a whole, I would suggest it instead be included in this article. Grk1011 (talk) 23:00, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

@Martinevans123: and @Grk1011: for comparison – real vs. Eurovision. Although Ictimai TV mentioned Karabakh, I can clearly see Karabakh shown as part of Azerbaijan in the picture. Maybe a confusion arose due to style of the map. It doesn't involve the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict. --► Sincerely: A¥×aᚢ ⚔ Zaÿïþzaþ€ 15:52, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

How do they afford so many street lights? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:12, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

It looks like a careless mistake done by KAN or the visual designers. As an example, if you look at the map animation of Norway before the jury vote was distributed, it can be seen that the country is missing the archipelago of Svalbard. The notable sized archipelago is clearly shown in the animation, but at the same time not colored in gold. Only the mainland are highlighted. Svalbard, just as Nakhchivan is for Azerbaijan, are an integral part of Norway. --Volum-ion (talk) 16:34, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

For now I would include this Azerbaijan in the Eurovision Song Contest 2019 since only iTV has publicly issued a statement on the matter, it has been reported on by English sources and seems to have caused controversy in Azerbaijan. If the EBU issues a statement and includes other countries (i.e. Norway) then it should be moved to the incidents section of Eurovision Song Contest 2019. Since Armenia didn't do anything and from my understanding iTV hasn't mentioned Armenia at all then this should not be included in the article Armenia–Azerbaijan relations in the Eurovision Song Contest. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 17:32, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Italian televote in semi 2

ESCXtra have released a new article regarding mistakes in the Italian televote points, comparing them with the Italian televote results published by RAI and noticing they are different. I think it deserves a section. See the article here. Yoyo 360^{Wanna talk?} 21:31, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Yeah we will need to add it at some point with all the other voting irregularities considering Wiwibloggs has picked up on it as well so that makes 2 sources. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 15:55, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Hungarian commentators

Please, edit the Hungarian commentators, because Bogi Dallos wasn't in Tel Aviv. Instead of her, Krisztina Rátonyi commentated the Hungarian transmission along with Freddie. Bogi Dallos was originally suppose to be in Tel Aviv, but she moved to a private channel in late April, thus she quitted MTVA, and wasn't able to do her job at the song contest. Thanks so much! MrSilesian (talk) 15:43, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

@MrSilesian: can you provide a reliable source for this? Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 15:53, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

It can't be more reliable, but check the transmission on Duna's webpage. MrSilesian (talk) 18:00, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Italian televotes error

Another section to Jury voting issues could be added Italian televoting results of 2nd semi-final mismatch results published by Italian broadcaster RAI disagree with EBU published results. https://escxtra.com/2019/05/26/semi-final-voting-error-in-italian-televote-identified/ This error has the same consequence as Russian inverted voting issue, the Lithuania failed qualify to the final because of the error. Another link on the topic http://esctoday.com/176033/lithuania-did-error-in-italian-televoting-cost-jurij-veklenko-a-grand-final-placement/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.244.71.239 (talk) 21:27, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

I see some protection in English wikipedia articles exists, so I'm unable to add section myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.244.71.239 (talk) 21:25, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Returning contestants

Can we add that ZENA, the singer representing Belarus, hosted the previous Autumn's Junior Eurovision Song Contest in Minsk? 86.10.244.159 (talk) 15:03, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

 Not done She was not an artist we only add host if they previously competed for the country and hosted it later Sammyham84 (talk) 20:17, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Lithuanian spokesperson

Can someone please mention that the Lithuanian spokeperson actually represented them in Eurovision 2006 as part of "LT United"? Thanks. KobiNew (talk) 20:22, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

 Done Thalaja (talk) 20:28, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

I actually watched the voting again and I think Lithuania replaced him at the last moment and someone else was actually giving the votes but I'm not sure who he is...Does anyone know? KobiNew (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:03, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

 Not doneSo far there has been no source mentioning that so there is no reason to change that for now Sammyham84 (talk) 20:01, 5 June 2019 (UTC)