Talk:Geogaddi

Pronunciation

Would one pronounce it "Gee - o - GADDY," or "Gee - O - gaddi?" (The capitalized syllables would have the emphasis)

I don't believe it's ever been clarified; they have specifically left the meaning of the title ambiguous. Personally, I use the former pronunciation. Pimlottc 13:19, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

The Critical Reception section

It's disastrous. Somebody simply quoted several media critics and slopped them all together. If somebody ever has the opportunity, he or she should tidy that portion up. I can't do it at the moment because I'm quite busy, but maybe I will in the future if no one else does. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nutterbutterz95 (talk • contribs) 02:20, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Removal of "trivia"

Apparently someone thought it a good idea to bastardize a well written Boards related article by removing information relative to the record, including its thematic concept. This edit can only be undone manually, obviously, and while the unsourced information should not be retained, I believe far more properly sourced information was cut out than necessary. The point is to be informative, at least enough so that your average listener doesn't need to head on over to a band-specific wiki to get information that has a place here - the quote describing the concept behind the record is not exactly "trivia", even if it is not absolutely necessary - there is no reason to cut down the relevant, well written and sourced pieces of information. Countless albums of varying notability follow the standard format that often includes at least one section for information re: theme, tone and composition, influences, events that occurred during the conception and production of the album, etc. - this is preferable.

The article should be improved upon with the omission of that which is not relevant or sourced and that's about it. I would suggest working to restore the article to its previous state with that in mind this time around. I would also suggest that

Just my two cents. I would also like to suggest the genre remains as it is, despite the fact that it is effectively without a genre, as requiring sources for these labels (applied not by the band but by other publications or critics here, which apparently makes more sense than just putting down what the consensus is) means that in most cases, you can't say much more than "Boards of Canada" in response to the genre. The previous descriptions of Ambient Techno/IDM, Dark Ambient and Downtempo are all perfectly applicable, just as much as any other similar descriptor, but it is better the 'genre' stays "Electronic", as someone will unquestionably cry "genre warring", which remains one of the most pointless and redundant things people do around here, but whatever.

-Swim Jonse (currently not logged in) 72.200.69.99 (talk) 17:00, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

@Swim Jonse: We might as well ping the person who made the edit you're talking about, Andrzejbanas. It doesn't look like any of the material that was sourced was removed -- except for one line which cited only a forum. One could argue the red pen was pressed a little hard, but in general the removals don't look inappropriate. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 13:47, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Pretty much what was said above by Rhodo! Whether or not the information was correct, valid, or well written. Its unsourced and was placed there, had tons of time to be sourced, never was. So it should be removed. If you want it back, find the source instead of trying to support articles that fail WP:RS and WP:OR. Andrzejbanas (talk) 01:11, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Spinixster (talk · contribs) 02:35, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

@Davest3r08: I'll be reviewing this article. This may take a while.

• Infobox and lead
  • As opposed to putting references in the infobox, I'd recommend switching it to prose in the body.  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 21:03, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
  • It was released on 13 February 2002 in Japan, then five days later in Europe, by Warp. I'd rephrase it to something like It was originally released on 13 February 2002 in Japan and in Europe five days later by Warp Records. With this sentence, it is clearer that Warp is a record label. The sentence may change depending on who released the album in Japan (see Release section below)  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 21:03, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
  • It was recorded between 1999 and 2001 at Hexagon Sun. I'd recommend expanding the sentence with details of Hexagon Sun (where is it, clarify that it's a studio, etc.) I'd also link Hexagon Sun.  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 21:03, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
  • The album is darker in tone than their debut studio album Music Has the Right to Children, released in 1998. Per WP:SYNTH, I'd recommend rephrasing to imply that the band wanted a different approach to their previous album or the album is intended to be darker in tone (the quote does not say that it is meant to be darker in tone than the previous album), if that's what the sentence is based off.  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 21:03, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
  • The album contains references to the Branch Davidians, Satanism, and numerology. This sentence can be expanded to include how these references are made.  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 21:03, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
• Background and composition
  • Per Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Album article style advice#Background, I'd recommend reintroducing the duo and adding information regarding their previous records that correlates with this album.  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 21:29, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
    • Does this prose work?

    • Boards of Canada are a Scottish duo composed of brothers Michael Sandison and Marcus Eoin (born Marcus Eoin Sandison), formed initially as a group in 1986 and later as a duo in the 1990s. They started making music during their childhood, using tape decks to do so. Boards of Canada takes their name from the National Film Board Of Canada. They released their debut album Music Has The Right To Children in 1998 to critical acclaim.

      Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 16:33, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

@Davest3r08, that works. Spinixster (chat!) 00:49, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

• • Boards of Canada have claimed that the title is a combination of different words with a particular significance, but also that they wanted listeners to decide on their own interpretations of the title as well as the album in total. I suggest making the sentence clearer, because the meaning of "with a particular significance" is lost on me. The original text seems to imply that they want listeners to decide on their own interpretations on the album only, unless I'm missing something.  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 13:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Michael Sandison, half of the duo, stated that much of the album features acoustic instrumentation, though it may not be immediately evident because of how processed and often faint it is, blending with electronic elements. The original text seems to say "previous records" and not this album specifically. Is there a source that says this album specifically? I suggest replacing the original source with that, if not, it would violate WP:SYNTH. I'd also rephrase so it's based on his point of view because currently it implies that though it may not be immediately evident because of how processed and often faint it is is a fact, which violates WP:UNDUE.
    • @Spinixster: maybe something along the lines of According to Michael Sandison, half of the duo, stated that a majority of the album features faint acoustic instrumentation? I read the source and it seems to only say that Geogaddi has acoustic instrumentation. Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 15:20, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
      •  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 23:39, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
  • They additionally received the idea to make the total album length 66 minutes and 6 seconds from Warp Records president Steve Beckett, with his reasoning being to joke around with listeners and imply that the Devil had been involved with the album's production. This can be condensed to something like Warp Records president Steve Beckett also suggested to make the total album length... so that it's more concise.  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 15:41, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
• Release
  • Do we know which record label or who released the album in Japan? I'd recommend adding it in.

This AllMusic page that is possibly about the Japan version claims it was released there by a label named Vivid. Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 13:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and added the source either way so I'm  Done— Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 14:05, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

• • Suggest merging the first two sentences and rephrase Warp as Warp Records as stated above  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 14:30, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Side F of the vinyl package, with the track "Magic Window" (which consists of nearly two minutes of silence), is uncut and contains a visible etching of a nude nuclear family.[10] The artwork of the album carries a distinct kaleidoscopic motif. The original source does not say this (it seems to contain only an image), so this would be a personal observation, violating WP:OR. I'd suggest adding sources that describe the album cover (see Blackstar (album)#Artwork and packaging, Future Nostalgia#Cover artwork and Vultures 1#Cover art for examples) or remove it entirely. I'd also move parts about the album cover somewhere else since it does not correlate with the release.  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 14:30, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
• Reception
  • It'd be preferred to get what critics thought about the album rather than just a sum-up of what they said. The Professional ratings box has a lot of reviews, but most are not used in the section. See Vultures 1#Critical reception, Blackstar (album)#Critical reception and 1989 (Taylor's Version)#Critical reception for examples.

 Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 23:39, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

• Track listing
  • According to the source, the duo also produced the tracks. That should be clarified.

 Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 19:41, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

• Personnel
  • As opposed to using one source three times, you can do something like Lover (album)#Personnel and Future Nostalgia#Personnel and say the credits were adapted from AllMusic.

 Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 19:41, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

• Sourcing seems okay, no sources seem to be immediate red flags, I just have a few concerns.
  • I do recommend following WP:CITEVAR and make the style of the references consistent (some are missing authors, dates, publications, wikilinks to publications if there are ones, etc.) and switching primary references to secondary whenever possible.
    • @Spinixster:, I've opened a request for these sources, so it might take some time for me to reformat the citations.
  • What makes Speakeasy.org (reference 8) or its author a reliable source?
    • I've replaced that source with more reliable ones.  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 13:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Reference 5 is a compilation of interviews taken from different sources. I'd recommend replacing it with the original ones.  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 13:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Overall, the article has a lot of potential, but parts can definitely be expanded and changed. Source 2 (Stereogum) definitely seems like it could be used a bit more. I'll put this on hold for now. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask. Spinixster (chat!) 09:56, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for chiming in while you are still in the process of editing the article, but I'd like to point out that per WP:NOTRSMUSIC, AllMusic genre listings are not reliable. Spinixster (chat!) 13:59, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

 Done— Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 14:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Additional comments below.

• For the reception section, opinions should be attributed to the original critic. Ex: Comparisons were drawn between the album and Music Has the Right to Children, especially with both albums' cover art. > John Bush of AllMusic drew comparisons between the album and Music Has the Right to Children, including both albums' cover art.  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 00:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
• It was also praised the use of samples, as critics felt that it fit the tone of the album. This is misleading, as only one critic has said this. And like above, opinions should be attributed.  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 00:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
• Critics at Q compared Geogaddi to the album Drukqs by Aphex Twin. More information on why critics at Q compared the album to Drukqs would be nice, as currently there's no information as to if they compared it favorably or not and why they think the albums are similar, etc.  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 00:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
• There are still a lot of sources that can be used for reception, like those listed in the Professional ratings table and perhaps the Stereogum source. You can include reception on songwriting, themes, composition, etc. Wikipedia:Copyediting reception sections and Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Album article style advice#Critical reception may also help here.  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 16:50, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
• The AllMusic review says that there are samples in the album. Which songs used samples, if there are sources? I also notice some sources describe the composition/style of the album. This can be used for the Composition section, like Blackstar (album)#Composition and influences and Future Nostalgia#Music and lyrics. If there are sources, the compositions/styles of individual songs can be included, too.  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 00:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

After these comments are resolved, I have no problem with promoting the article. Spinixster (chat!) 02:10, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Okay, just one more tiny thing, I promise. Mark Robinson's Pitchfork review is unsourced, and you can add the Hexagon Sun detail in the body, too, so citations on the lead won't be needed per WP:LEADCITE. Spinixster (chat!) 01:11, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Spinixster,  Done— Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 10:57, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Alright, passing now. Spinixster (chat!) 11:25, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 07:59, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that Geogaddi is 66 minutes and 6 seconds long? Source: https://www.stereogum.com/2175272/boards-of-canada-geogaddi-turns-20/reviews/the-anniversary/amp/
  • ALT1: ... that Geogaddi's CD release when ripped to an audio file is 666 megabytes? Source: Murray, Robin (13 July 2021). Listen to This If You Love Great Music: A critical curation of 100 essential albums • Packed with links for further reading, listening and viewing to take your enjoyment to the next level. Ivy Press. p. 195. ISBN 978-0-7112-5609-5. Retrieved 15 March 2024. If you rip the audio from the original CD version of Geogaddi it comes to... 666 MB.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Dora and the Fantastical Creatures

Improved to Good Article status by Davest3r08 (talk). Self-nominated at 14:07, 15 March 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Geogaddi; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• Article was promoted to GA and the nomination was put in at the proper time. Article is within policy. The only issue here are the hooks, neither of which are of any interest and both of which make a tenuous connection to the number of the beast that isn't supported by the sources. I note that the article itself does not wiki-link to that page. Sometimes a number is just a number, and neither source specifically connects the megabyte size and CD length to the number of the beast. The length of a CD and the megabyte downloads is not particularly interesting. Please propose a better hook.4meter4 (talk) 18:02, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

4meter4, ALT1a: ... that Geogaddi makes references to the Branch Davidians and their former leader, David Koresh? Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 13:45, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Approving hook alt1a which is verifiable to the cited reference and is both interesting and the correct length. This hook can be promoted.4meter4 (talk) 14:10, 18 March 2024 (UTC)