Talk:Hawkeye (Clint Barton)

AVENGERS/ JLA MEMBERSHIP

Maybe you guys should talk about hawkeye joining the justice league in jla/ avengers #3. He is the only marvel hero to join the team. Marvel and dc was going to "swap" him and green arrow for one year but they changed thier minds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaastra (talk • contribs) 00:33, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Solo Avengers/Armor

Perhaps someone should add some details about what happened to the character in Solo Avengers, and also mention the Iron Man-ish armor he wore briefly in that series. I mean, if the Goliath stuff is worth a mention, surely this is as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.75.31.10 (talk • contribs) 04:11, 26 February 2006

Reply: Well, I've been considering writing up some of the more "significant" stories - such as the Collector arc and a few others - and I was thumbing through Solo Avengers to try and find something "significant" and I'm not sure much in there applies. The armored costume lasted about an issue and a half, whereas the Goliath ID and costume stretched through a couple years' worth of Avengers V1.

So what's the view on what needs to be covered?

-- We've got how he came to "superheroing" and the Avengers in the first place.
-- The Collector arc (aka "Hawkeye cheats")
-- Brother Barney and the killing of Egghead?
-- His stint with the Defenders
-- The Gruenwald miniseries where he meets Mockingbird (this is already covered in the article).
-- The miniseries with Trickshot, "Rover" and War Machine
-- The Nicieza miniseries.

Not trying to make the article 500 pages, but what highlights should we hit here?

--MoS 01:03, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

About the only really suignificant thing from Solo Avengers is the revised origin with Trickshot. Lokicarbis 11:44, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Comparison to DC Comics' Green Arrow

Several of the Wikipedia comics-related articles include some sort of analysis of how a character is similar to (or perceived to be similar to) another character, especially when the two characters are seen as comptetitors. E.g.: Superman vs. Captain Marvel, Moon Knight vs. Batman, etc. I know there is a similar contention about Hawkeye and DC Comics' Green Arrow (both are acrobatic unerring archers with outlaw tendencies, both are/were romantically linked with black-clad blonde martial artists with avian themed identities, etc.), but I have no reliable sources ("blogs" and message boards don't count). Shouldn't this be mentioned here? Canonblack 15:44, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Might be worth mentioning a bit - I don't think anybody would be shocked to hear that Hawkeye was inspired in large part by GA. While their MO's are awfully similar, they are very (IMO, anyway) distinct characters - at least much more so than Captain Marvel and portrayal of Superman at the time.

Don't know of any reliable sources off-hand.

??? If someone like say Neal Adams, wrote an article on this topic, sure, reference it. But just -saying- the two are similar is original research and thus verboten. Lots42 (talk) 21:43, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree, this article needs the comparison, especially mentioning the time which each character was introduced -- was Green Arrow before Hawkeye? Maybe just a statement of the years they were introduced respectively would be enough (1941 vs. 1964). I looked for an article but it's not like comic books are discussed in mainstream very much. Not sure what we could use for a source. JettaMann (talk) 22:11, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

She-Hulk

I read an online issue of She-Hulk where he is brought to the present from the (near) past and She-Hulk starts to plot keeping him this era. I guess this would only work if it was an alternate reality's past as if he disappears then the whole Hawkeye's death would never be able to happen in the first place! whew! All this time travelling stuff is tiresome. Anyway maybe a She-Hulk reader could help out? He status may not be so "unknown" and if this never came through then surely it should be "deceased". Thanks— ChocolateRoses ^talk

Reply: Hawkeye's appearance in the latest volume (issues 3 and 4, I think) of She-Hulk was as a juror in a time-travel case, and he was drawn out of the past at some point prior to his "death" in Disassembled. Although She-Hulk intended to warn him (and, in a later scene, earlier versions of the Wasp and the Scarlet Witch) of upcoming events, she wasn't succesful. The story line doesn't seem to have affected his past, present or future. MoS 21:03, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

And it shouldn't, either, as I'm sure Dan Slott well knows - per the Marvel Universe's laws of time travel, you can't alter the history of the main timeline, only create a branching point where another timeline begins. So even is Shulkie was successful, it would just had led to the creation of a parallel timeline in which Hawkeye lived. Chris McFeely 01:11, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, i understand that but my original point was that a HAwkeye would still possily be arounf in the 616 mainstream universe if she kept him after jury duty. Also these rules seem to be ignored with the first volume of Young Avengers. hmmm...— ChocolateRoses ^talk

Meta-human

the meta-human article refers to this as a DC term. should it show up in an (ultimate) hawkeye article? i thnk not, but is thee a better word? does it matter? was just wondering...— ChocolateRoses ^talk

--metahuman marvel-wise just means invulnerable, i have discovered. click here for more details. meta-human— ChocolateRoses ^talk

I seem to remember "Post-Human" being used to describe non-mutant superhumans (-sigh-) in the Ultimates...Can anybody back me up?

More to the point, the descrip for Ultimate Hawkeye says that he is meta/superhuman, in terms of aim ability- and the 'abilities' sidebar says he isn't. Which is it? -Toptomcat 23:15, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Status?!?

WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE STATUS BOXES ON SUPERHERO BOXES?? IS THIS A CHANGE IN WIKIPEDIA POLICY??? IT USED TO SAY "STATUS: DECEASED? ACTIVE..."ETC ETC — ChocolateRoses ^talk

See discussion here. --Newt ΨΦ 03:21, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Ultimate Hawkeye- metahuman or not?

The descrip for Ultimate Hawkeye says that he is meta/superhuman, in terms of aim ability- and the 'abilities' sidebar says he is 'merely' Olympic-level. Which is it? Is it ever difinitively stated? -Toptomcat 23:15, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

REPLY: back in V1, in the issue in which he and the Black Widow were introduced, the two of them are talking on a comm network as they run around, creating havoc. Finally he breaks off talking, telling her that he doesn't have any of her "million-dollar" enhancements and can't fight and talk at the same time. So he's not physically enhanced and he's not a mutant. That's about all you know from reading the comics. Millar has stated in interviews that Hawkeye's just human. MoS 18:23, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Post-Ultimatum, He tells somebody "I have augmented vision. How do you think I make ALL my shots?", although that could be Loeb playing fast and loose with actual story and facts like he is wont to do... ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.17.245.4 (talk) 17:58, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Hawkeye (Clint Barton)

Since we now have another Hawkeye in the person of Kate Bishop, shouldn't this get renamed? CovenantD 18:53, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Then again, with Bishop's comment in the Fallen Son series that "if Hawkeye were alive, I'd call myself something else", it might be better to wait and see, since Hawkeye is indeed alive. -- Pennyforth 12:13, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

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Hawkeye naming convention

It occured to me that Hawkeye has been published for about a year, under the name of Ronin; in addition, Clint has gone by Goliath in the past. Finally, with the YA Hawkeye, it might be time for the page to be named Clint Barton versus Hawkeye (comics), with this page becoming a disambiguation. -66.109.248.114 (talk) 21:32, 12 January 2008 (UTC).

I'd be shocked if Clint did not reclaim the name at some point. Also, the Young Avengers version hasn't been seen regularly in how long? Seems odd to make this change based on one storyline in New Avengers Dstumme (talk) 21:59, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Regardless of current or future publication plans (which is all speculation anyway), the article should be moved to Clint Barton by Comics Project naming conventions. Because that already exists as a redirect, this will require admin assistance. Pairadox (talk) 22:21, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

NB - the broader issue of comic entry naming is currently being discussed here so if you have any thoughts on the wider issue then feel free to add it there. (Emperor (talk) 12:23, 3 April 2008 (UTC))

This seems to be pretty much a no consensus discussion, maybe it can be revisited down the line, but lets close it for right now. -66.109.248.114 (talk) 22:17, 1 May 2008 (UTC).

Oppose

• Oppose - This character is Hawkeye. That would be like moving Captain America to Steve Rogers just because he has ocassionally been known by different names. -- 69.182.199.231 (talk) 07:26, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I'd actually wait. It is even money he'll be Hawkeye again.

Asgardian (talk) 06:10, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

How long of a time period did you have in mind to wait? The next bench mark would be likely after Secret Invasion, and while there is no deadline, the character has been operating for over a year not as Hawkeye (and reliquished the title to a teenaged girl). 66.109.248.114 (talk) 21:02, 5 March 2008 (UTC).

• Oppose - Looking at WP:COMMONNAMES, there is a very strong, valid point for keeping this article title as is. Searches for this article are much more likely to be done with "Hawkeye (comics)" by the general user. That's how the character has been used in licensed products and "re-boot" series. - J Greb (talk) 15:21, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Please note my following response is based strictly in opinion, base on content quality: I just don't see the real world context and supporting media that features Clint as Hawkeye as carrying nearly the same weight as the likes of Cap or Superman. I see the gen user seeking the comics version, the 616 version that shares multiple identities and currently reliqueshed the role to a teenage girl. -66.109.248.114 (talk) 22:08, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose - Reasons above. Rau's Speak Page 18:46, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

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Improper Link

The internal link to the article on the Civil War arc was incorrectly entered and led to the page defining what a civil war is. I've fixed it. 71.87.186.236 (talk) 16:28, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Zombie

Yes, I added in the 'zombie head female cyborg' bit. Hawkeye is awesome. Even as an insane zombie. Lots42 (talk) 21:44, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

"Fan favorite"

Ever since Bendis wrote the death of Hawkeye, he's been constantly referred to as a "fan favorite" character. Really? Or was that one of the many cases where he was only popular after he wasn't around..?! Anyone got any reasonable sources for either side of that debate? Surely Hawkeye was always a relatively minor Avenger...? ntnon (talk) 00:36, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

??? Anyone fictional is always someone's favorite. Does the term 'fan favorite' really mean anything? Lots42 (talk) 02:37, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

...a very good point. I just saw "relatively minor" changed to "fan favorite" at Brian Michael Bendis, and wondered whether it would be reasonable to change it back, accurate to leave it or 'other'. ntnon (talk) 16:35, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Other Media

Someone added in a lot of 'citations needed' on the other media section. I am very confused. What kind of citations is this person expecting? Clicking the link -confirms-, sometimes via the main pic, that Hawkeye is in the 'media' in question. What am I missing? Lots42 (talk) 09:43, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

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Ronin picture

I think the article needs a picture of Barton as Ronin somewhere.--Marcus Brute (talk) 17:37, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

As Goliath

The "Powers and abilities" section begins, "While Hawkeye has no superhuman powers (with the exception of the period when he was using Pym particles to become Goliath)...." Note the singular, so that this appears to refer to the c.1969 run in The Avengers only. However, the article on another sometimer user, Erik Josten, states that Barton was Goliath again in Avengers West Coast #92, March 1993. Given the fact that when that series started (as West Coast Avengers) just about everybody who had used Pym's formulas up to that time (with the definite exception of Janet van Dyne, and maybe Scott Lang) was present (I dropped the series around #50) , it seems unlikely that Clint used some other means of growth. And this would count as another exception for the above quote even if he did. Can someone who knows more about this than I fix that? --Tbrittreid (talk) 22:25, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

New Main Image?

I would like to propose that a new image is used in the infobox. Currently, the front cover of Hawkeye #5 from the 2003-2004 series is being used. This image is a great illustration of the character. But the recent series, Hawkeye: Blindspot has produced some fantastic images that captures the character's history.

• On the front cover of issue 1, Hawkeye is surrounded by supporting characters, key figures in his origins, and arch rivals.
• On issue 4, Hawkeye is surrounded by the various costumes the character has worn over the years such as Ronin and Goliath.

I feel that these two titles are a perfect visual introduction to Hawkeye and would improve the article. Would anyone agree? And if so, would there be a preference to issue 1 or 4? - Caged halo (talk) 20:22, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

I think the solo image is better suited for the character article. There are also images of Ronin and Goliath already present.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 19:36, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough - Caged halo (talk) 17:38, 08 May 2011 (UTC)

Green Arrow distinguish

I realize that there are a lot of fanboys who jump in and out of these pages and some are Marvel guys and some are DC guys. I get it, you like your character/brand. However, with the new Green Arrow series and his recent involvement in Smallville coupled with the new hype for Hawkeye due to his being cast in the recent Avengers movie and its predecessors there are a bunch of new fans whom DO NOT really know the difference between the two similar characters. Both are masked (traditionally) archers whom have no true superhuman power and are role players within their teams, which are similar in and of themselves and have crossed over in the past. I would imagine that a general novice does not really know about the differences between Justice League and The Avengers as much as those with a history of reading comics do. In addition, some years back Marvel and DC actually discussed "swapping" G.A. for Hawk. Thus I re-added the distinguish tag for both characters, as well as Bullseye, just to be clear. I think it is rational and effective and in the spirit of NOT wanting to get into an edit conflict with unregistered users I am putting this up for vote here so if anyone has an issue with a rational distinguish tag please post it here for admin decision and do not revert. Wjmummert (KA-BOOOOM!!!!) 20:08, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Beyond being fictional archers the characters are not very similar. It seems arbitrary and sets a precedent for long, unwieldy hatnotes on these pages. Should we mention all fictional archers? Should we mention all characters that wear purple costumes? Should we mention all characters with the first name Clint? They are distinct characters. I don't see how linking the other at the top helps. If the reader assumes this is the archer from Smallville they will presumably realize it is not when they notice Smallville is not mentioned anywhere on the page. And then they'll go to the Smallville page and find a link for Green Arrow. -Fandraltastic (talk) 20:28, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

But why not have a distinguish? Why not save all our valued readers the time and energy. You are making an inference based on an assumption that is clearly biased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.138.13.98 (talk) 18:17, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Fandraltastic with no disrespect you are clearly a "Marvel guy" based on your edit history. I think you have a little bias. Wjmummert (KA-BOOOOM!!!!) 18:29, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Bias for what? I'd take the distinguish off any page. It makes no sense. You're distinguishing two distinct fictional characters who share a fictional skill. Do you understand how crowded the hat notes would be if we listed every fictional archer because people might momentarily mistake them for each other? -Fandraltastic (talk) 18:40, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

First off to everyone, please assume good faith, accusations of bias is not helpful. Secondly we do not need hat notes with this many entries, that is why we have disambiguation pages (see Wikipedia:Hatnote#Linking to a disambiguation page). The top of the page looks extremely cluttered. Also I don't think we need the distinguish note either, comics are full of stock characters and most articles do not have notes that distinguish these characters between different companies, especially if the similarities are not even stated in the article.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 19:26, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm not even sure who the hatnote is supposed to help. It doesn't tell readers "for the character from Smallville and Justice League, see Green Arrow". People who don't know the difference still won't know the difference after seeing a link to another page at the top. The people who know the difference between DC Comics and Marvel Comics are likely people who wouldn't confuse the two characters. People who would confuse the two would still need to see that the page doesn't mention Smallville, go to the Smallville page, and click on Green Arrow. Which makes the hatnote useless. -Fandraltastic (talk) 19:50, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Why are you so angry about this Fandralistic? Is it really that terrible of a thing? Your tone makes it very difficult for me to assume good faith, I mean no disrespect, but you have to admit you are getting a bit flustered about something so simple. Wjmummert (KA-BOOOOM!!!!) 15:16, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

So if its not that terrible, can we go ahead and clean-up the hatnotes now per Wikipedia guidelines? I only ask out of respect, because it appears consensus is against you.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 15:21, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Wjmummert, I'm not at all flustered, nor angry. I wish you would read my replies as written and respond to my points instead of trying to find some angle through which to discredit me. The ad hominem responses are silly. -Fandraltastic (talk) 16:22, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Here is a question for Wjmummert. Do you have any way of determining how many people come to "Hawkeye (comics)" looking for Green Arrow? If that number is extremely small or even non-existent, then why do we need to point people there from this page? If you feel that the number of people coming here to find Green Arrow is reasonably high enough to justify needing such a hatnote, then what you base that assumption on? Is it more than "Just because, why not?" 129.33.19.254 (talk) 20:20, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

I can easily turn that battery of questions around. Do you want it gone "just because?" I'm done with you guys, you are obviously too narrow-sighted to see any logic, so go ahead and ruin it for everyone else. I don't care anymore. My 6 year old bickers less. Leave me out of it and deal with the peer review like adults. Wjmummert (KA-BOOOOM!!!!) 22:33, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

If I wanted to remove things on Wikipedia "just because", then I could go around removing all sort of things at random. The downside is that this would almost certainly get me blocked, and before long. There are standards and policies here, and the right thing to do is add or remove things based on their appropriateness. See Wikipedia:Hatnote for an idea on when it is or is not appropriate to include a hatnote of a particular type. 129.33.19.254 (talk) 00:29, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Without wishing to reopen this conversation again, I am new to this page. I am generally a DC Comics person who has developed an interest in the MCU. I have come to this article to see if he is "like Green Arrow" and to see how similar their backstories are. I found what I was looking for. Comes.amanuensis (talk) 10:21, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Situational Awareness

In the Avengers film, Hawkeye is portrayed as having superhuman or nearly superhuman situational awareness (with the amusing exception of when he runs out of arrows). He frequently shoots targets that he cannot see and/or doesn't bother to look at, as well as other behavior. I'm not suggesting that this be added to the article simply because it's in the film, but I'm wondering whether this ability was accidentally overlooked in the abilities section or whether it's never actually mentioned in the comics and the filmmakers just decided on their own to augment Hawkeye a bit. -- Fyrefly (talk) 04:17, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source or is this simply original research?--TriiipleThreat (talk) 14:50, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

It's original research, hence why I said that I wasn't suggesting it be added to the article just based on my observations. I only asked the question in case the ability was actually mentioned in the comics, but was accidentally left out of the article. -- Fyrefly (talk) 16:27, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps his hearing impairment allows for a preternatural "sixth sense"? Maybe he can smell his opponents coming.... Also, if his hearing aid were damaged, would Hawk be at a disadvantage with someone like Dr. Doom or Spider-Man, since their masks cover their mouths, making lip-reading impossible? --The_Iconoclast (talk) 00:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Mockingbird/The Phantom Rider

Rather than "and forces her to engage in a sexual relationship" should it be made more explicit that this is a rape? This is the context for her letting him die and the resulting argument with Hawkeye and I would be loathe to gloss over it by not making the situation clear enough. Inlaid (talk) 13:10, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

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Move to Hawkeye (Clint Barton)

It's the logical thing to do. Hawkeye is the name of several fictional superheroes appearing in comic books published by Marvel Comics. Hawkeye (comics) is a misleading title as it indicates that this Hawkeye is the only Hawkeye to be found in comics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Impending IP (talk • contribs) 12:28, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

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Title?

Isn't it counter-guideline to have a parenthetical disambiguator that doesn't fully disambiguate? English Wikipedia includes coverage of at least four comics characters who have used this name, as listed at Hawkeye#Book and comic characters (I say "at least four" since two others on that list are only not "comics" characters if we assume Japanese comics are not comics by virtue of being Japanese). I was originally of the opinion that the title Hawkeye (comics) could have a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC in which case this would obviously be it, but then I RMed closely related article and was shut down; I don't see how this doesn't apply here. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:09, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

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Requested move 30 May 2019

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The result of the move request was: Page not moved. (non-admin closure) Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 18:17, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

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Hawkeye (comics) → Hawkeye (Clint Barton) – More WP:PRECISE title that already redirects here. Current disambiguation is incomplete and should simply redirect to Hawkeye#Book and comic characters where there are at least four comics characters with this name. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 12:58, 30 May 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. bd2412 T 17:25, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

• Move to Clint Barton - Since this article largely a fictional character biography and Barton has used other aliases like Ronin and Goliath, there's no need for excess disambiguation beyond the character's name (see recent RM for Miles Morales). Since "Hawkeye" is also the title of the comics series as well as a codename used by multiple characters, it might be good to build a WP:DABCONCEPT page at Hawkeye (Marvel Comics) to mirror the Ronin (Marvel Comics) and Goliath (Marvel Comics) pages. Hawkeye (comics) should at least redirect to Clint Barton until incoming links can be fixed. -- Netoholic @ 19:59, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose move to Clint Barton: His other alias' were brief and relatively obscure to the lay person.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 15:26, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
• Comment: Given that Marvel Comics has a female character associated with Clint Barton, who is also named "Hawkeye", having the generic disambiguator ("comics") on this article presumes that readers looking for information about the Hawkeye from the comics are only looking for the male character and not the female one. Thus it seems like a clear, if minor, example of gender bias on Wikipedia, hence the requested move. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 02:47, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Utter nonsense - a total misunderstanding and incorrect application of gender bias. People are looking for the "male" Hawkeye only because he is, vastly, the most well-known to use that codename. Definitely though makes it seem like this skewed POV is the ulterior motive for requesting this move. -- Netoholic @ 03:24, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
    • Whether the Clint Barton character is the most well-known isn't the issue. It's that we are implying that character is the default "comics" character when there are several others in comics with the same name. That it reflects certain assumptions rooted in gender is not an outlandish idea. There's no "ulterior motive" when the motive is openly acknowledged. Kindly stop with the WP:ASPERSIONS. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 08:55, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
      • It can just be simply a bad, WP:INCDAB title without it being about "gender bias". Tempted to switch to "oppose" if only because you've tainted this RM with such a ridiculous claim. -- Netoholic @ 10:15, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
        • That would be very WP:POINTy. Something can be an INCDAB and an instance of gender bias at the same time. If you agree with one and not the other, why not just say so and move on? —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 23:39, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
          • You could argue its trying to make a point, but changing my vote is not a disruption to Wikipedia, so WP:POINT doesn't apply - see WP:NOTPOINTy. In fact, your spurious comments about "gender bias" is stronger evidence that this RM itself is WP:POINTy, and so opposing it solely on that basis isn't controversial. -- Netoholic @ 21:52, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
            • You've already expressed support for some kind of name change, and given policy-based reasons for it. Unless you've changed your mind about all that, then going back on it because you disagree with a separate, unrelated reason for the RM would absolutely be POINTy.

              Achieving consensus involves attempting to persuade others with reasons based in policy, sources, and common sense, which is what I have tried to do. The fact that you disagree with my reasoning does not make it either "spurious" or disruptive. Nice try though. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 23:10, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

              • I support only the exact move I'd voted for not "some kind of name change". But if, as it seems, that you have an ulterior motive and are being WP:POINTy in making this RM, I'd feel no qualms about fully opposing on that basis alone. Someone else in the future can propose the move without the ideologically taint. -- Netoholic @ 02:51, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
• Leaning oppose as to any move at this time. The Clint Barton version is the clear primary topic for the term at this tile. However, I support Netoholic's suggestion to create a WP:DABCONCEPT article at Hawkeye (Marvel Comics). bd2412 T 17:27, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Since parenthetical disambiguators like (comics) are Wikipedia-specific it's unclear how the term Hawkeye (comics) could even have a primary topic, unless we're going by pageviews alone. Even in that case, I don't see how a more precise title is going to inconvenience anyone. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 10:59, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
• Support Clint Barton, per Netoholic's suggestion. ╠╣uw [talk] 13:56, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Hawkeye (Clint Barton) seems like the most user-friendly option, although I'd be fine with that redirecting to a Clint Barton article. I do not support a DABCONCEPT article, as there appear to be just two characters who have used the name notably. I don't have the interest or the time, but Hawkeye (comics) should be kept as an article about the comics titled Hawkeye. Argento Surfer (talk) 20:08, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per bd2412, as he is the primary topic. BOZ (talk) 14:04, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Even if there can be a primary topic for a DAB'd title, which is a questionable proposition, MOSCOMICS is clear that (comics) is for articles about publications, and (character) is for articles about characters. Argento Surfer (talk) 22:43, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - Hawkeye's only notable identity is obviously Clint Barton. 111.68.115.165 (talk) 02:52, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

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Requested move 8 October 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Hawkeye (Clint Barton). (closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre (talk) 21:07, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

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Hawkeye (comics) → Hawkeye (character) – I understand a recent proposal to move the article to Hawkeye (Clint Barton) failed, but the current title does not pass WP:NCC at all. I'm really not sure why anyone felt it acceptable to leave it at this designation. Unless the article is suddenly about the comic book publication, it needs to be moved to Hawkeye (character) or Hawkeye (Marvel Comics) at least. DarkKnight2149 20:42, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

• Move to Hawkeye (Stan Lee comics character)?, as the suggested name is ambiguous with Hawkeye Pierce, Natty Bumppo, Hawkeye (Kate Bishop), and other characters that are known as Hawkeye. We should do something, since the current name is ambiguous too (WP:INCDAB with Hawkeye (Kate Bishop) and others). —BarrelProof (talk) 01:52, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

That subject was already debated above. Our priority right now should be moving the article to a designation that doesn't outright violate WP:NCC. Referring to the article as (comics) doesn't fit the bill. As for whether or not it should be named Hawkeye (Clint Barton) or something, that debate was closed with no result. DarkKnight2149 05:26, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

• Move to Hawkeye (Clint Barton) to bring it in line with Hawkeye (Kate Bishop). It is in no way true that this Hawkeye is primary over Hawkeye Pierce or Natty Bumppo, although he probably is primary over Kate Bishop. Contributors to the above RM either supported including Clint Barton in the title or appeared not to realise that there were two non-comic characters that were equally well-known. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:21, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
• Move to Hawkeye (Clint Barton) per Necrothesp. Requires further disambiguation than merely "character"._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 14:26, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
• Comment: If the page needs to be moved, then I will agree that Hawkeye (Clint Barton) is the right move. The (character) disambiguator should only be used when there are no other notable characters with the same name, and as shown above, there certainly are in this case. Hawkeye (Marvel Comics) does not even work here because of Kate Bishop. BOZ (talk) 14:59, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
• Comment: I am perfect fine with Hawkeye (Clint Barton) as the new title. However, the reason I am nervous that it is being suggested is because it was proposed in the previous move discussion, which was closed with no result. I don't want the same dispute breaking out here, because our primary concern should be getting it to a title that doesn't violate WP:NCC. Hawkeye (Clint Barton) fits the bill, but was recently heavily disputed. DarkKnight2149 19:52, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I don't think it was especially heavily disputed. Hawkeye (comics) is clearly a bad disambiguator, which wasn't really acknowledged in the previous RM, and he certainly isn't the primary topic for Hawkeye (character), so this is the obvious and least verbose solution. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:48, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
• Move to Hawkeye (Marvel Comics) to be in line with several similar articles. Fictional biography can be split to Clint Barton, leaving this article about the comic series and history of the shared moniker. -- Netoholic @ 05:37, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

This is Clint Barton's article, the only thing in question here is the title. If you want a Marvel Hawkeye hub article to be created, that's an entirely separate discussion to have. DarkKnight2149 07:01, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

In fact, Hawkeye (Marvel Comics) is free right now. Maybe be bold and create one yourself? DarkKnight2149 07:16, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

No. Hawkeye (Kate Bishop) is also a Marvel Comics character, so that title would still be incomplete disambiguation. —BarrelProof (talk) 13:55, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

@BarrelProof: Hence why it would work for a Hawkeye hub article. Netoholic was suggesting that we transform this article into a hub article and name it Hawkeye (Marvel Comics). I informed him that this is specifically Clint Barton's article and he would have to create that separately. DarkKnight2149 16:03, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. —BarrelProof (talk) 14:32, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

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{{admin-help}} Requesting move to Hawkeye (Clint Barton) per above as page is move-protected — IVORK _Discuss 22:57, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

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Sincerely, The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 04:14, 29 April 2020 (UTC)