Talk:Historic Hotels of America/Draft articles

This was a list of articles that have been moved to drafts in accordance with the discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1036#Proposal 2. Struck-through entries have been independently sourced and moved back to article space. If you improve a draft and move it to mainspace, feel free to strike out the corresponding entry. (Mainspace links showing more definitively which have been restored, now also included. --Doncram (talk) 01:36, 22 December 2020 (UTC)) And seven deleted draft ones restored to draft again. --Doncram (talk) 03:19, 23 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

about deletions

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I don't see any point in deleting a draft that might become an article. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:58, 23 December 2020 (UTC)Reply
Draft:NOPSI New Orleans was twice deleted by "user:Liz", November 2020 and July 2022. What shows when go to create article there:
  • 18:35, 21 July 2022 Liz talk contribs deleted page Draft:NOPSI New Orleans (G13: Abandoned draft or AfC submission – If you wish to retrieve it, please see WP:REFUND/G13)
  • 23:33, 22 November 2020 Graeme Bartlett talk contribs undeleted page Draft:NOPSI New Orleans (8 revisions) (requested by Doncram)
  • 00:37, 22 November 2020 Liz talk contribs deleted page Draft:NOPSI New Orleans (G13 -Candidates for speedy deletion as abandoned drafts or AfC submissions)
User:Deor, as an admin with some familiarity here, could you possibly please restore/refund Draft:NOPSI New Orleans (current HHA) and also Draft:Campbell House (Lexington, Kentucky) (former HHA)? Both were twice deleted by User:Liz, with the second time being immediately after they had been restored by my requests at wp:Refund, for reasoning I can't fathom. (Although time-stamps above would make more sense if Liz's 2nd deletion was at 00:37 on 23 November rather than 22 November... i suppose those are their local times not GMT.) sincerely, --Doncram (talk,contribs) 20:40, 15 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
@Doncram: I don't know what your second sentence is supposed to mean, since both pairs of deletions by Liz (more them 112 years apart) were more than six months after either draft had been edited and were thus proper WP:G13 speedy deletions. I'll restore the drafts again, but if you have no intention of improving them and submitting them to AfD, I don't really see the point. I'll be putting the drafts on my watchlist to see what happens. Deor (talk) 23:09, 15 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. Oh, i see i was interpreting the timestamps wrong. I thot it was in chrono order but with mistake somehow in the last two of three items. Makes sense now as in reverse chrono. Doncram (talk,contribs) 02:22, 17 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

[list below being re-organized by state --Doncram (talk) 18:33, 29 April 2021 (UTC)]Reply

As of May 24, 2021, about 29 of 53 remain in Draftspace; about 24 have been promoted. Goes towards supporting expected notability of all. --Doncram (talk) 02:26, 25 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
As of 09 November 2021, 28 have been restored to mainspace, and one (Campbell House (Lexington, Kentucky) is no longer HHA-listed. --Doncram (talk) 15:32, 9 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
As of January 2022, only 21 of 53 have not been resolved, basically 32 have been restored, either as separate articles or as sections elsewhere or similar. --Doncram (talk) 22:09, 11 January 2022 (UTC) --23:44, 25 January 2022 (UTC)Reply
As of June 2022, more than 2/3 done, only 17 of 53 remain.--Doncram (talk) 23:42, 23 June 2022 (UTC)Reply
As of July 22, 2022, two more recently promoted, so 15 or fewer remain. NOPSI draft and perhaps another one or two recently deleted, unhelpfully. --Doncram (talk) 16:02, 22 July 2022 (UTC)Reply
13 remain, less than 25% of 53.--Doncram (talk) 14:13, 29 August 2022 (UTC)Reply
10 remain, less than 20% [if Campbell House (Lexington, Kentucky) considered resolved due to it no longer being HHA]. --Doncram (talk) 08:54, 24 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
10 remain, less than 20% [even including Campbell House as one of the 10, after NOPSI moved to mainspace]. --Doncram (talk,contribs) 18:02, 28 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

Alphabetical by state (Alabama to Wisconsin)

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There were 53 in total. 47/53 done

not done as of 5/24/2023
  1. Draft:The Wigwam (Litchfield Park, Arizona); The Wigwam (Litchfield Park, Arizona)
  2. Draft:Tubac Golf Resort and Spa; Tubac Golf Resort and Spa, Tubac, Arizona
  3. Draft:Terrace Hotel (Lakeland, Florida); Terrace Hotel (Lakeland, Florida)
  4. Draft:Lodge at Wakulla Springs; Lodge at Wakulla Springs, Wakulla Springs, Florida
  5. Draft:Silver Birches (hotel); Silver Birches (hotel), Pennsylvania. Draft was deleted by User:Liz, who also tried deleting others. [List of sources was developed here, then moved to restored Draft, in January 2022.]
  6. Draft:Newport Beach Hotel & Suites; Newport Beach Hotel & Suites, Middleton, Rhode Island


done as of 5/23/2023
  1. Draft:Admiral Hotel (Mobile, Alabama); Admiral Hotel (Mobile, Alabama) (later developed somewhat by Doncram). Developed by User:Bkissin, User:LordDewi and User:MB, and promoted by Bkissin, thanks! --Doncram (talk) 02:17, 25 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
  2. Draft:Hacienda Del Sol Guest Ranch Resort; Hacienda Del Sol Guest Ranch Resort (expanded 15 May 2020 by User:Cbl62, restored by them to mainspace 15 May 2020). In or near Tucson, Arizona.
  3. Draft:Royal Palms Resort and Spa; Royal Palms Resort and Spa, Phoenix, Arizona
  4. Draft:White Stallion Ranch; White Stallion Ranch, in or near Tucson, Arizona
  5. Draft:Stonepine Estate; Stonepine Estate, Carmel Valley near Carmel, California
  6. Draft:Napa River Inn; Napa River Inn, California. In mainspace before July 22, 2022.
  7. Draft:Hotel Constance Pasadena; Hotel Constance Pasadena (expanded 15 May 2020 by User:Cbl62, restored to mainspace by them 15 May 2020)
  8. Draft:Ojai Valley Inn; Ojai Valley Inn (developed 12 May by User:Cbl62, restored to mainspace by User:Deor 12 May, although not leaving behind redirect as could be done --doncram) California
  9. Draft:Hotel Whitcomb; Hotel Whitcomb (expanded 15 May 2020 by User:Cbl62, restored to mainspace by them 15 May 2020), San Francisco, California
  10. Draft:Hotel La Rose; Hotel La Rose, Santa Rosa, California Was getting multiple sources, turned out to be separately nrhp-list, too.--Doncram (talk) 14:13, 29 August 2022 (UTC)Reply
  11. Draft:La Valencia Hotel; La Valencia Hotel, La Jolla, California; accepted and developed by User:Bkissin and User:MB, thanks!
  12. Draft:Norwich Inn; Norwich Inn, Norwich, Connecticut
  13. Draft:Inn at Montchanin Village; Inn at Montchanin Village (developed 15 October by User:Bkissin & restored to mainspace by them 15 October 2020), Montchanin, Delaware
  14. Draft:Casa Faena; Casa Faena (developed by User:Doncram, submitted to AFC 19 December, was eventually accepted), Miami Beach, Florida
  15. Draft:National Hotel (Miami Beach, Florida); National Hotel (Miami Beach, Florida)
  16. Draft:Belleview Inn; Belleview Inn, Florida. Moved back to mainspace, but then merged to Belleview-Biltmore Hotel article (pre-existing from 2006) which covers the topic. Belleview Inn now redirects to there, which has the term bolded.--Doncram (talk) 23:44, 9 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
  17. Draft:Greystone Hotel; Greystone Miami Beach, Florida
  18. Draft:Partridge Inn; Partridge Inn, Augusta, Georgia. Accepted by User:CNMall41, thanks! --Doncram (talk) 02:22, 25 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
  19. Draft:River Street Inn; River Street Inn New article created by another editor; material merged. --Doncram (talk) 23:17, 13 April 2021 (UTC) Savannah, Georgia. Article needs renaming from "124 East Bay Street".Reply
  20. Draft:The Cotton Sail Hotel; The Cotton Sail Hotel, Savannah, Georgia, a accepted 5/2022
  21. Draft:The DeSoto; The DeSoto (developed 23 May by User:Bubba73 & restored to mainspace by them 23 May 2020), Savannah, Georgia
  22. Draft:Hilton Orrington/Evanston; Hilton Orrington/Evanston, Evanston, Illinois Was AFC-approved at Hilton Orrington, when want it at title which includes a slash (/) character. Requested move at wp:RM, which was done.
  23. Draft:The Sherman (Batesville, Indiana); The Sherman (Batesville, Indiana) (developed somewhat 23 November by user:Doncram) AFC accepted 2021-04. --Doncram (talk) 23:17, 13 April 2021 (UTC) Batesville, IndianaReply
  24. Draft:Campbell House (Lexington, Kentucky); Campbell House (Lexington, Kentucky) No longer HHA-listed, in 2021.
  25. Draft:NOPSI New Orleans; NOPSI New Orleans, New Orleans, Louisiana. Promoted.
  26. Draft:Portland Regency Hotel & Spa; Portland Regency Hotel & Spa (developed 11 May by User:Namiba & restored by them to mainspace 11 May 2020), Portland, Maine
  27. Draft:Hotel Brexton; Hotel Brexton, Baltimore, Maryland. Modified by JSwift49 and Bkissin in May 2023 and promoted by Bkissin
  28. Draft:Concord's Colonial Inn; Concord's Colonial Inn, Concord, Massachusetts (developed by User:Seasider53 on August 21)
  29. Draft:Kendall Hotel; Kendall Hotel, Cambridge, Massachusetts. Good source found by Bkissin; to mainspace July 22, 2022.
  30. Draft:The Saint Paul Hotel; The Saint Paul Hotel, Minnesota. Gangster haven. submitted by Bkissin. Developed out greatly by User:MB, even for DYK. --Doncram (talk) 02:22, 25 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
  31. Draft:Omni Bretton Arms Inn; Omni Bretton Arms Inn (material merged 15 December into Mount_Washington_Hotel#Omni_Bretton_Arms_Inn by User:Doncram, draft properly moved to mainspace to hold edit history, allow for re-separation), New Hampshire
  32. Draft:The Queensbury Hotel; The Queensbury Hotel, Glens Falls, New York (developed mostly by Doncram, restored by Bkissin to mainspace 29 April 2021) TURNS OUT TO HAVE BEEN NRHP-LISTED in 2018, though this was not detectable by websearching. NRHP doc not available at NPS or NARA.
  33. Draft:Jefferson Clinton Hotel; Jefferson Clinton Hotel, Syracuse, New York
  34. Draft:Hotel Skyler; Hotel Skyler (expanded 20 October by User:Bkissin & restored by them to mainspace 20 October 2020; further developed somewhat by User:Doncram and User:MB) Syracuse, New York
  35. Draft:Graylyn Estate (Winston-Salem, North Carolina); Graylyn Estate (Winston-Salem, North Carolina) (restored to mainspace but merged to Graylyn, which is fine IMO -doncram)
  36. Draft:Atherton Hotel at Oklahoma State University; Atherton Hotel at Oklahoma State University (expanded 19 Nov 2020 by User:Doncram, submitted to AFC, no review yet as of 21 Dec 2020, was eventually accepted)
  37. Draft:Penn Wells Hotel; Penn Wells Hotel (developed somewhat by User:Bkissin & restored by them to mainspace, October 2020), Wellsboro, Pennsylvania
  38. Draft:Hotel Viking (Newport, Rhode Island); Hotel Viking (Newport, Rhode Island)
  39. Draft:Kings Courtyard Inn; Kings Courtyard Inn, Charleston, South Carolina
  40. Draft:The Dewberry; The Dewberry Charleston, South Carolina (soonish after Doncram added a citation, Bkissin restored to mainspace)
  41. Draft:Wentworth Mansion; Wentworth Mansion (expanded somewhat by User:Doncram, restored to mainspace by AFC) Charleston, South Carolina
  42. Draft:Hotel on Phillips; Hotel on Phillips, Sioux Falls, South Dakota, in NRHP-listed Sioux Falls National Bank Building. NRHP article moved to "Hotel on Phillips" and expanded a bit. Not all material in the Draft has been merged yet, though. --Doncram (talk) 00:53, 29 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
  43. Draft:Crockett Hotel; Crockett Hotel (expanded somewhat by User:Doncram, restored to mainspace by AFC) San Antonio, Texas
  44. Draft:Georgetown Inn; Georgetown Inn, Washington, D.C.
  45. Draft:Hotel Lombardy; Hotel Lombardy, Washington, D.C.. Edited and promoted by User:JSwift49, May 2023. Leaves only 8 of these drafts unresolved. --Doncram (talk,contribs) 16:12, 11 May 2023 (UTC)Reply
  46. Draft:Phoenix Park Hotel; Phoenix Park Hotel, Washington, D.C. (expanded by User:Star Mississippi and then more on Sept 21 2021 by User:CanadianShoe and then promoted by Bkissin.)
  47. Draft:The Edgewater (Madison, Wisconsin); The Edgewater (Madison, Wisconsin)

Thank you, to User:Bkissin, User:Cbl62, User:MB, User:Bubba73, User:Namiba. --Doncram (talk) 02:35, 22 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

You're welcome Doncram! I think the editors listed here have a good sense of WP:RS and WP:THREE to bring a lot of these articles to mainspace. I know I've looked at some where finding good reliable sources is difficult. Bkissin (talk) 14:07, 25 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

What is difference in revision that gets through AFC?

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  • For Draft:Royal Palms Resort and Spa, sourcing that is useful, makes significance more clear, in multiple outlets detailed coverage upon 70th anniversary event, prompted probably a press release and/or other promotion (or did they follow each other?), that happened in 2018 but i hadn't found. Maybe difference was that in September, 2022 i tried searching on "Royal Palms Resort, Arizona" (without "and Spa"), and found:
--Doncram (talk) 21:02, 24 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ^ Amanda Christmann (2018). "Royal Palms Resort: 70 Years of Grandeur". Images Arizona try Images.
  2. ^ Kellie Hwang (September 19,, 2018). "10 fun facts (and a party) to celebrate Royal Palms Resort's 70 years in Phoenix -- Royal Palms Resort and Spa in Phoenix celebrates its 70th anniversary with a party on Sept. 20. Check out 10 fun facts about the luxurious resort". The Republic, azcentral.com. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  3. ^ {cite web|url=https://azbigmedia.com/lifestyle/resorts/enchanting-royal-palms-resort-and-spa-celebrates-70th-anniversary/ |publisher=AZ big media? |title=Enchanting Royal Palms Resort and Spa celebrates 70th anniversary |date=September 20, 2018 |author=Alyssa Tufts}}