Talk:History of Sikhism

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Old NPOV discussions

"Those of Rustems family" is not a neutral way to refer to hindus. This whole article seems to be written from a sikh POV. Zazaban 03:26, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Well it wasn't just Hindus who Kabir was revered by, I can change this to Hindus, Muslims and other faiths if there is a concensus for it. You are quoting as if the word Hindu is not mentioned and "those of different faiths" is used to describe any non-Sikhs mentioned in the article, that is not the case. Jsu 11:57, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Well you can write as "people in general" or "commonly worshipped by people of all religions"Ajjay (talk) 15:55, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Well no Christians were around in medieval India so that would be false and Muslims only consider Mohammad as their final Prophet, so to be correct I used Sufis as some but NOT all Sufis recognise Kabir as a Saint.

The article is as usual pretty anti-Hindu, .mI will ask some senior administrator of Wikipedia to look deeper into some biased 'contributors' Thanks, D.Green —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.3.244 (talk) 17:49, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

are u still alive Ynully (talk) 11:49, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Content

This entire page needs to be revised due to the lack of Guru Ram Dass, and comments on the page which say "Where is Guru Ram Dass" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.106.174.131 (talk) 20:45, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

As well as this, there is writing which lacks any citation and is written very informally, as if from the hand of a child.

This article lacks the history of Sikhism post the creation of Khalsa. There is no mention of the Akali Dal movement, British Empire Rule over Punjab and its effects on the Sikh history, or any mention up to the present day. This article does not embody the entire history of Sikhism.Singh (talk) 21:20, 3 September 2008 (UTC)indiantrumpet

r u still alive lol Ynully (talk) 11:50, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

The following sentence ends bizarrely, as if to imply that there is some form of Hindu Islam: "During the Mughal rule of India (1556–1707), Sikhism was in conflict with the Mughal empire laws, while it cherished saints from Hinduism Islam". I am no expert, but after a quick search on the web I think I can safely conclude that this must be a typo.

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This isn't a history of Sikhism

This isn't a history of Sikhism, it's a series of short biographies of the Gurus. How did Sikhism grow from the following of one man to a numerous enough religion to form the basis of an empire? When did this happen? Was it an ongoing process, or is it particularly associated with a specific period? What were the reasons for this growth? This article seriously needs to be fleshed out with some solid historical material before it matches its title. Jamrifis (talk) 13:49, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

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Incomplete Information

Hello,

Just pointing out that the info. regarding the Sikhs' conditions during the Indian Partition period seems incomplete to me because it does not say much about what conditions the Sikhs were going through at the time? What issues were faced by the Sikh leaders at the time? etc. So those who may know anything about the Sikhs' conditions during the Indian Partition scenario if could please fill the void left by incomplete info. on the matter, thank you. User:Wjkk20 February 15, 2018. —Preceding undated comment added 09:11, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

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Azad Hind Fauj contributions

Hello, asking that a sub-section be added in the Sikh Revolutionaries section that includes the contributions of General Mohan Singh, Gurbaksh Singh Dhillon, Gulzara Singh and others who fought alongside Punjabi Hindus such as Prem Kumar Sahgal for the Azad Hind Fauj and the impact of the Red Fort Trials on the Sikh community? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2406:3003:2073:2DAB:4924:322E:38F6:FE89 (talk) 06:56, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2021

The term "Sikh" was used even in the times of guru arjan dev ji u can read gurubani Guru Gobind Singh ji formulated and made more improvements to it the word sikh was present from first sikh guru. 2409:4054:201F:1DBC:469F:630D:5402:A9EC (talk) 15:10, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Bestagon (talk) 15:28, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2021

The term sikhism was coined by first guru, Guru Nanak Dev Ji. It is evident in the holy scripture of sikhism, Guru Granth Sahib. The term khalsa was coined by the tenth guru, Guru Gobind Singh ji. 2401:4900:40F0:B19B:0:56:8015:9F01 (talk) 09:58, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. J850NK (talk) 18:10, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 March 2021

The following section should be removed. I does not have any source material cited and seems to be based on an opinion only.

"Hindu absorbtion Hinduism is not a religion. It is a cult that expands through merciless assimilation. Under threat from Buddhism, the Hindus branded the Buddha as an avatar of Vishnu to check the spread of Buddhism. When Islam threatened to wipe out the Hindu existence, they started saying that Muhammad was a Vishnu avatar. To fight Christianity, they claimed that Christ (Krist) and Krishna (Christna) are one and the same.

To stop the spread of Sikhism, they started classifying it as a sect of Hinduism. They claim that he Gurus were Vishnu and Shiva worshippers to continue to colonise the Sikh homeland of the Punjab. The garb of tolerance is just another way to conceal the cult's secret plans of worldwide expansion mentally and through mass scale genocide." Bendiggn (talk) 04:56, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

 Done. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 07:01, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

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Titles of Eras

Does anyone have background on the titles of the eras? In particular, why "Golden Age" for (1849–1919 CE) and "Dark Ages" for (1978-Present CE). Do we feel those are the most accurate descriptions for these time periods? Are these terms being used in either academic literature or are they commonly known and referred to as such? Are there better more neutral descriptions for these time periods? --Joiedevivre123321 (talk) 20:18, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

They seem to have been added in mid-December 2020 along with a lot of other "POV" material that has now been deleted (e.g. "There are barely any true Khalsa Sikhs who fight for Justice in the world except the Sikhs in Canada, United Kingdom and United States of America", 14 December 2020). Mporter (talk) 00:31, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2021

Fix section title names. Golden Age and Post Golden Age are incorrect and insensitive section titles. Replace it with Post Empire Years and Post British Raj Years. 73.226.148.234 (talk) 00:27, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2021

I would like to request to edit the article due to there being a discrepancy amongst some parts of it. Mostly regarding the information within the article that has to edited properly. 2600:1700:2F20:5D00:CCEE:69D4:7780:C171 (talk) 03:17, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

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Multiple unexplained names/titles for Guru Amar Das

In the "Guru Amar Das" section, paragraph 2, the narrative suddenly shifts, like this:

"It is recorded that before becoming a Sikh, Bhai Amar Das, as he was known at the time, was a very religious Vaishanavite Hindu who spent most of his life performing all of the ritual pilgrimages and fasts of a devout Hindu. One day, Bhai Amar Das heard some hymns of Guru Nanak being sung by Bibi Amro Ji, the daughter of Guru Angad, the second Sikh Guru. Bibi Amro was married to Bhai Sahib's brother, Bhai Manak Chand's son who was called Bhai Jasso. Bhai Sahib was so impressed and moved by these Shabads that he immediately decided to go to see Guru Angad at Khadur Sahib. It is recorded that this event took place when Bhai Sahib was 61 years old."

Wait, wait... we were reading about "Bhai Amar Das", and now the subject has changed without any transition to "Bhai Sahib". I'm unfamiliar with the words "Bhai" and "Sahib", so I go look up their definitions elsewhere. I learn they are both honorifics, not personal names, so "Bhai Sahib" can be understood as an epithet for "Bhai Amar Das". This is a lot of work for even native speakers of English that are unfamiliar with Indian English.

3 paragraphs later, we read:

"However, as a result of Bhai Sahib's commitment to Sikhi principles, dedicated service, and devotion to the Sikh cause, Guru Angad Sahib appointed Guru Amar Das Sahib as third Nanak in March 1552 at the age of 73."

Still a bit confusing, but now that I know "Bhai Sahib" refers to "Amar Das", I can connect the dots by context. I think a similar sentence could be useful in the very first paragraph of this section, except replace "Bhai Sahib" with "Amar Das".

Compare the preceding with the previous section "Guru Angad Dev", paragraph 1:

"In 1538, Guru Nanak chose Lehna, his disciple, as a successor to the Guruship rather than one of his sons. Bhai Lehna was named Guru Angad and became the successor of Guru Nanak."

Ah, that's very clear! Bhai Lehna became Guru Angad.

Would someone who understands the religious and cultural nuances please create a similar transition in the "Guru Amar Das" section? It currently leads to confusion unless one is already well versed in specific details of both Indian English and Sikh traditions of epithetical periphrasis. An encyclopedic entry should assume the reader has minimal background in the subject. No disrespect is intended. Thank you for your attention. 2001:1C04:4003:8900:25BA:CC52:B236:43C5 (talk) 11:39, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing this up, I will look into the prose of the article to ensure it is understandable to a larger audience of readers. MaplesyrupSushi (talk) 22:13, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Possibly WP:TOOBIG.

I am considering adding the WP:Too Long tag, but since the article's substantial nature might justify its current length, I'm curious about what others think. StarkReport (talk) 19:26, 7 August 2024 (UTC)