Talk:Janatha Garage

Cast order

@MesopotemianVulture: You listed some films such as Jilla, Gopala Gopala and Seethamma Vakitlo Sirimalle Chettu for proving that cast is arranged per seniority of the actor. Cast is arranged per film's billing block. If those films did not follow it, then there must have no dispute in the cast order either. In case of Janatha Garage there is a dispute in cast order and there is no billing block available. So the fair solution is to follow the credits order in the sources. The lead actor should be placed first, which is Jr. NTR. And about the poster, any image of the film can be used in the space for image. Posters are commonly used, and there is rule for the type of poster. --Charles Turing (talk) 20:28, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

• When you say //those films did not follow it, then there must have no dispute in the cast order either//, it's again a 'probability'. Secondly, Jilla credits Mohanlal first. Thirdly, you asked me where it is mentioned in Template:Infobox about the screenshot of title card. I must say that you must read it patiently (and completely) before asking such stupid questions. It is clearly mentioned that the 'screenshot' can only be that of the film's title card. MesopotemianVulture (talk) 20:33, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Theatrical poster is not released. There is no rule against adding an official poster. Then cast, especially disputed cast should be always arranged in an order. --Charles Turing (talk) 20:44, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

• Your logic for ordering is baseless. See Jilla. Besides, read WP:FILMPOSTER. It clearly states 'theatrical poster' should be ideally used. //If a poster image cannot be found for the film, or if the film did not have a theatrical release, then a cover image of the film's display case (VHS, DVD, etc.) may be used instead. // THis film does not have a dvd/vcd release cover yet. It states that // In the absence of an appropriate poster or cover image, a screenshot of the film's title card may also be used.// We don't have the screenshot of the title card yet. So, stop P.O.V vandalism. Read WP:FILMPOSTER.

See billing block of Jilla in the poster, Vijay is placed first. But there is no dispute in placing Mohanlal first in the cast order, otherwise show me. We don't need a cover image or any other images of the film as it already has an official poster. --Charles Turing (talk) 21:01, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

• Read WP:FILMPOSTER. It clearly states that it has to be a theatrical poster. It states what else can be used in the absence of a theatrical poster. The official first look is not a theatrical poster. The film is due for its theatrical release. Now, secondly, the film JILLA has Mohanlal's name first in the opening credits. Do proper research before making hasty claims. Vijay's name appears second in the film's opening credits. And again, I am telling you Read WP:FILMPOSTER.MesopotemianVulture (talk) 21:10, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

You missed the point. It states 'theatrical poster' should be ideally used NOT "should be used", Here we don't have theatrical poster so we are using an official poster. Cast is arranged per "billing block" of the poster not per opening credits. --Charles Turing (talk) 21:20, 8 July 2016 (UTC).

• • User:Charles Turing You are the one who actually missed the point because you are hasty. You did not read what should be used when a theatrical poster is not available. Read WP:FILMPOSTER. In my previous responses to you in this talk page, I quoted excerpts from WP:FILMPOSTER since you were so impatient to read and understand it. You did not read it. Now that you have read the first sentence, you have not read the remaining sentences. Let me quote that again, though again you may not be in any mood to understand/follow it. The remaining sentences in the paragraph clearly state: MesopotemianVulture (talk) 21:36, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

• • • 1: //If a poster image cannot be found for the film, or if the film did not have a theatrical release, then a cover image of the film's display case (VHS, DVD, etc.) may be used instead. // - THis film does not have a dvd/vcd release cover yet.. - MesopotemianVulture (talk) 21:36, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

• • • 2: // In the absence of an appropriate poster or cover image, a screenshot of the film's title card may also be used.// - We don't have the screenshot of the title card yet. - MesopotemianVulture (talk) 21:36, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

• • • 3: Also, read this article : Billing, before you find a personal meaning to the word. Wikipedia does not follow random posters. The credits in the film are considered the source for cast-ordering. In Jilla, actor Mohanlal officially had the top billing. MesopotemianVulture (talk) 21:46, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

You should read my comment above. You are only concentrating on the point against adding the poster. You should ask a third person about the guideline which you did not understand yet properly. --Charles Turing (talk) 21:47, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

You are deviating, Jilla is not the issue here. It is a released film. Janatha Garage is not released and don't have billing block in the poster and obviously no opening credits. So another order should be used for the cast. --Charles Turing (talk) 21:51, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

• • • Another order? What order? A billing border according to your P.O.V? Wikipedia would rather use existing conventions. Like in Jilla, Seethamma Vakitlo Sirimalle Chettu, the senior star will be credited first. Jilla was an example. So is Seethamma. And regarding the poster. You were blatantly reverting ignoring WP:FILMPOSTER almost 10 times. That is why I was specifically concentrating on it. Your should have asked a third person if you could not follow the guidelines written in WP:FILMPOSTER. MesopotemianVulture (talk) 22:02, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

You are again going to the same place. Cast is not ordered according to the seniority of actors. And why are you again mentioning Jilla (you already said it's ordered per opening credits).? And it's not the same case as Seethamma Vakitlo Sirimalle Chettu or Gopala Gopala. There is no evidence of a dispute there. Here there is a dispute, so there should be an order. Lead actor is NTR Jr as per sources, it is fair to place him first. You are acting like a fan trying to save actor Mohanlal's stardom. --Charles Turing (talk) 22:14, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

.. I have full-protected the article for three days due to the edit-warring between the pair of you. Don't fight with edits while you're discussing here. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:16, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

• Comment - If a poster is not yet available with a billing block that would indicate starring order (which is unlikely anyway, considering Indian films rarely use proper billing blocks) then the logical solutions are: 1) Omit the content from the infobox. 2) Find an authoritative source that lists the starring roles. Of course this is likely to result in editors finding sources that support their POVs, which is ultimately not helpful. But by no means as per this edit summary would we order cast based on "the senior superstar" being credited first. That has zero basis in Wikipedia film article norms. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:15, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

• There should be a third man's voice on the poster issue also. He is not willing to add the official poster. He was reverting it even before he had the knowledge about the WP:FILMPOSTER (see page history). Because the poster features NTR Jr, Mohanlal is not there. Commonsense. --Charles Turing (talk) 22:21, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

The user has been indeffed as a sock of Kichappan. His behavior smelled of socks to me from the get-go. I'm still not clear on what order the cast should be presented in. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:23, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

I think we can wait until we get a poster with billing block or any other material which can give an order. --Charles Turing (talk) 08:46, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Telugu link

change ((Telugu)) to ((Telugu language|Telugu))

 Done Thanks for pointing that out - Arjayay (talk) 16:53, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Dubbed or bilingual

The censor certificate of Janatha Garage's Malayalam version issued by Central Board of Film Certification shows that it is dubbed. That means the IBTimes source is possibly wrong. Also I see two sentences from this article from them contradicts within itself. First one says: Superstar Mohanlal is awaiting the release of his bilingual movie Janatha Garage, the very next para says: The Telugu movie, Janatha Garage is expected to be one of the biggest releases among the dubbed Malayalam movies in the state [Kerala].--Charles Turing (talk) 18:16, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Casting

This marks Mohanlal's Fourth Telugu film after his cameo appearance in the 1994 Telugu film Gandeevam, and also his first back to back release of a Telugu-Malayalam bilingual after his recently released Manamantha directed by Chandra Sekhar Yeleti. Honest edits (talk) 00:28, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Crediting Order

The film released today. Mohanlal's name is credited first in the opening credits. NTR Jr.'s name appears second. Kindly follow the same pattern in the infobox. 115.249.188.97 (talk) 07:22, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Is Idelbrain a reliable source?

It has been cited once in this article. Can we verify its credibility? Nairspecht (talk) (work) 07:44, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

I've never heard of it. Looking at the link, I don't see anything about it that would indicate it's a reputable mainstream source. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:00, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Cast list

Hello! According to this, Mohanlal is credited only as the 4th cast member. Shouldn't we follow this instead of general POV of fans? Have a look, Sauerstoffliebe! Best, Nairspecht (talk) (work) 08:32, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

That is possibly a mistake by website admins. The official YouTube trailer credits him second! So that too can be followed! But ultimately, it is the FILM title card that has to be followed. Everything else is POV. The film title card has Mohanlal's name appearing first. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sauerstoffliebe (talk • contribs) 08:37, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

You must surely be not serious here. "A mistake by website admins"? I don't think so. Let other editors clue in. Also, you are warned; please do not revert edits without reaching a consensus. Best, Nairspecht (talk) (work) 08:40, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

• Mohanlal name appeared first in listing order.......as he is the most senior compared to Jr. Ntr!! So no issues about order now ! NIKE 01 (talk) 10:53, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Per WP:FILMCAST:

A film's cast may vary in size and in importance. A film may have an ensemble cast, or it may only have a handful of actors. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, so it is encouraged to name the most relevant actors and roles with the most appropriate rule of thumb for the given film: billing, speaking roles, named roles, cast lists in reliable sources, blue links (in some cases), etc.

For the purpose of ordering cast in the Cast section, the on-screen billing would be the way to go. Has anyone here other than Sauerstoffliebe seen the film? Not sure if I understand NIKE 01's bizarrely excited and gloat-tainted response. "Most senior" has no bearing on cast order, and we're not here to perpetuate a Mohanlal fandom agenda. If he's listed first, it's because he negotiated to be listed first--or maybe they flipped a coin--you don't know. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:10, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Since Sauerstoffliebe has been CU-confirmed as a sock of Kichappan, the question still remains as to how the actors were credited in the film. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:46, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

I saw the film. But the film already started when I entered the hall. Also forgot to notice the end credits. But it doesn't matter. You all are missing a very important point. The film showed in Kerala was a Malayalam dubbed version of Janatha Garage, edited and distributed by Mohanlal's "own" company. So his name showing first may be right. The question is, did anyone noticed the credits in the original Telugu film ?. Because that is our order. --Charles Turing (talk) 16:59, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 September 2016

after current tracking i got to know that collections have added up with days

Aravind498 (talk) 14:25, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Note: I'm not entirely sure what this is, but I'm pretty sure it's not an edit request. Topher385 (talk) 16:14, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:07, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

box office

Collections of janatha garrage are 76 crores (share) and gross of rs 135 crores

Anandpolu (talk) 11:11, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

box office

[(andhraboxoffice.com)]13 days collections of janatha garrage.

Anandpolu (talk) 11:47, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Cast order revisited

@Ab207 and Cyphoidbomb: Now I know that there have been previous discussions on this, but looking at the official movie link on Mythri Movie Makers (the production house) [1], Hotstar [2], Google Play Movies & TV [3], and Youtube Movies [4] they credit Jr. NTR before Mohanlal. Now I know that everyone will say the title cards are more important but in the movie itself (if you have seen it) Jr. NTR is in the movie more and the film is centered more around him. Also I believe that Mohanlal's name is presented before NTR's is due to Mohanlal's popularity in India (both of their names are not in the end credits either). I will leave this decision up to you guys. I also believe that the Malayalam fans prefer to have him before Jr. NTR. SP013 (talk) 02:48, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

@SP013: I was not part of earlier discussion but I can see there's a consensus to follow billing order, so let's stick with that. Changing the order with "ifs and buts" sets a bad precedent. If the discussion has to be restarted, you'll have to invite all the earlier participants as well. I personally think its not worth the effort to make a special case for this film. -- Ab207 (talk) 07:48, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ab207: The only reason why I raised this issue is due to IP's preferring Mohanlal over NTR in the cast. SP013 (talk) 14:56, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

@SP013: The edit is inline with earlier consensus and community guidelines, I see no reason to dispute it. -- Ab207 (talk) 15:21, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ab207: I don't actually know I mean the edit had Jr. NTR on top until recently till IP's had changed it. I think the consensus of the earlier discussion was that it was Jr. NTR to be placed on top due to him being at the top of the credits everywhere except in the film itself. SP013 (talk) 15:39, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

@SP013: Huh no, Here are some comments by various editors AFTER the film is released

"ultimately, it is the FILM title card that has to be followed. Everything else is POV"

"For the purpose of ordering cast in the Cast section, the on-screen billing would be the way to go"

"did anyone noticed the credits in the original Telugu film ?. Because that is our order"

So more or less, everyone agrees to follow the billing order.

Also Template:Infobox film says "Insert the names of the actors as they are listed in the billing block of the poster for the film's original theatrical release. If unavailable, use the top-billed actors from the screen credits." -- Ab207 (talk) 15:50, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

For what it's worth, virtually all of the people who previously engaged in discussions were sockpuppets of other editors, evading previous blocks. So I wouldn't place too much stock in what they say or think. If the IPs were arguing something stupid like "Mohanlal is more senior in the industry!" then I'd tell them to pound sand, because we're not beholden to observe some subjective order. That said, Indian film posters rarely list stars' names, which is irritating, so we often have to use film credits instead, which would be my instinct here. (Imagine how difficult this becomes with films starring both Mammootty and Mohanlal, which sometimes have different credits depending on where the film is released.) Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:31, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Whoa, that's really a peculiar situation. In this case, Mohanlal is credited first for reasons unknown. Better to stick with it, instead of getting into the nitty gritty. -- Ab207 (talk) 19:13, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Jr. NTR might be the lead actor, but Mohanlal is credited first in the movie, watch from 2:52 to 3:07. Makers billing the cast based on seniority happens also in Hollywood, best examples are Robert De Niro over Ray Liotta in Goodfellas, Jack Nickolson over Michael Keaton in Batman, Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher over Daisy Ridley in Star Wars: The Force Awakens. Speaking about Mammootty, he played a supporting role in Kandukondain Kandukondain, but is credited over lead actor Ajith Kumar. They do that out of respect. The reason why some actors appear top-billed is because there was consensus among the cast and crew. If they don't have any problem, then why do we have ? 2409:4073:11E:9D5E:B183:87DD:A7A7:B59C (talk) 09:17, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

If you are responding to my comments, I wasn't arguing against observing the producers' choice to order by seniority. I was arguing against listening to the complaints of ignorant anonymous editors who shake their fist and holler about Mohanlal's seniority as if Wikipedia is legally obligated to follow some sort of unwritten law, which we are not. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 13:25, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: Now I don't know what do with it. One side the production house when they released the movie on Youtube and other platforms they have Jr. NTR before Mohanlal but in the movie itself they have Mohanlal before Jr. NTR. However from what I remember, in the US (where I am from) some movies for example Sarileru Neekevvaru had a different way of portraying the credits than the Indian/Prime version. Maharshi (no inclusion of Telugu overlay at the beginning) and Bharat Ane Nenu (beginning title cards for production houses) for example was also different in the US than it is on Prime Video. Now coming to Janatha Garage the credits at the beginning was different in the US and there was no presentation of the CBFC certificate and when it came to the credits they had Jr. NTR before Mohanlal. So now I am puzzled on which choice as the movie was presented differently in the US in theatres. SP013 (talk) 17:06, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

@SP013: Youtube and other platforms are superficial, only poster or on screen credits are authoritative. I believe US cut has no bearing on this because its clearly not the country of origin. -- Ab207 (talk) 17:23, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

@SP013: Unless we know for sure that there is a discrepancy with how the credits are presented, I would go with the onscreen credits that we can find. Of course maybe it could also be argued that Mohanlal's credit is a boring white serif font, whereas JR NTR's CG-modeled credit looks like an advertisement for a pick-up truck, so maybe he's more important... That's a joke, of course. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:33, 26 July 2020 (UTC)