Talk:Jennifer Hale

Bastilla Shan

"the character of Bastilla seems to be based of Hale's looks." Is this an observation made by the editor? If so, it should be removed. If not, a reference is needed. 90.230.138.210 (talk) 18:30, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

As no reference seems to be forthcoming, I will delete.--90.230.138.210 (talk) 09:28, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Lists

The <div> doesn't work on smaller displays/windows - I'd suggest removing it, as the results are Really Ugly. Having the long lists isn't the end of the world. Noel (talk) 17:50, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

• Really? Hmm, I considered it for 800x600, didn't think there would still be smaller then that except for pda's, wasn't sure how it would work on that. No harm in long list I think, just tried to make it look better :) ∞Who?¿? 19:31, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

What's her birthdate?

Google doesn't help :( --MaxSem^talk 21:52, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

• This person changed it from '65 to '72. This site says '65. I don't know of any authoritative source. -LtNOWIS 08:42, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=7642 seems to sugest '72 so will edit the article acordingly Golden Dragoon 22:06, 26 February 2007 (UTC) What I meant to say is edit the article acordingly if I can find another source to back up either date, don't quite know why the last bit got cut off Golden Dragoon 22:09, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

IMDB says '72 as well so am changing. 88.111.85.125 01:18, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Birth year is 1972 according to the New Yorker article. The month and day are yet to be confirmed. Nintendo Power article might have listed it fully though. I would suggest checking that article as well as her tweets around her birthday time to confirm. -AngusWOOF (talk) 20:10, 31 December 2014 (UTC) updated 22:45, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

The birth year has now been removed because of this alumni newsletter from her high school [1] which lists her as an alumni with the year 1982. Granted the school is a K-12 school, so she could have graduated from 5th, 8th, or 12th grade and marked that as the year, but it's good enough to question it. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:27, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Found some more interviews that confirm high school graduation. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:12, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

It's a shame that a properly-sourced date of birth can't be found yet for this person :( Xboxsponge15 (talk) 15:04, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Her name

Apparently, she's sometimes credited as "Carren Learning", but there's no explanation given as to why. Is it a nickname? A maiden name? An assumed name, a middle name, an attempt to hide her identity? The article really should clarify. JBK405 04:49, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

It was an alias Jennifer Hale used in the past for certain projects (like Metal Gear Solid for the Playstation) in case they weren't Union-sponsored (something similar to the Screen Actor's Guild).Dibol 3:20, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Origins are now explained in the Personal life section. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:30, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Triva

Perhaps it should be mentioned that many of the characters she's voiced(more than half, probably even 3/4) are redheads. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.156.14.10 (talk) 03:02, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

 Not done Unless there are articles and interviews of video games that use her actual appearance as a reference for their character, or a critics' comment making that association, this is not notable and does not need to be added to the article. -AngusWOOF (talk) 20:14, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Jennifer H. in KOTOR II

was the character she played, Bastila Shan, in Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II? I never got the chance to beat the game, but I did get pretty far. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.31.9.72 (talk) 17:40, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Check out the Bastila Shan page for your answer. It's in the last section. Zidane4028 (talk) 17:51, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Short answer, yes, under certain circumstances. Morte42 (talk) 04:25, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Samus Aran

I've looked through videos of the credits for the Metroid Prime games, and I haven't seen her name or Carren Learning anywhere. In addition, it's not listed in her video game roles on her website. Was there any actual documentation of her voicing Samus, ecause if not, the credit should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Batwing321 (talk • contribs) 01:13, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Hale is the voice of Samus in Metroid Prime, Prime 2 and Prime 3 (Samus has no voice in Hunters). The proof is in this video interview in which Hale herself confirms she voiced Samus (at about 2:10 into the video). I added this reference to this article, as well as to the Samus Aran page. As for Hale's official website not listing Samus as one of her roles, I don't find this to be proper evidence, as many of her known roles aren't listed on her site. Also, the first two Prime games don't list any voice actors in their credits (probably because there is only very minor voice work in those two games). As for Hale not being listed in Prime 3's credits (which does list its voice actors), this is likely due to the fact that Prime 3 features extensive spoken dialog. Crediting Hale's grunts and yelps in the same list as those voice actors that performed actual lines of dialog might have seemed unbalanced. -Sesu Prime (talk) 02:18, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Huh, Samus does have a line in Metroid Prime 3 actually, I mean an actual line that is not just grunt, why is not credited I have no idea but still (look up Metroid Prime 3, the passage where the alien planet Norion is under attack and the 4 hunters take an elevator and they all say a line in turn ending with Samus). 81.80.239.162 (talk) 08:59, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Video games

I don't think this should be considered a part of a filmography, being a bit irrelevant. Thoughts? 70.101.182.149 (talk) 21:18, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Why do you feel it is irrelevant? For one thing, this article lists the works of Jennifer Hale, and that includes all mediums that she performs in, including video games. This also holds true for articles for other voice actors. Additionally, a bulk of the work that Jennifer Hale has done is in video games, with some very notable roles (Bastila Shan in KOTOR for one). Zidane4028 (talk) 05:47, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Zidane. Her voice work in video game is a large chunk of her career. Why would you not include it? Caufman (talk) 00:40, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't get it, why would somebody want to exclude it? Makes no sense. 80.195.234.209 (talk) 20:07, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Singer?

Says she is in the first sentance, but nowhere else. Is it true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.100.56 (talk) 13:37, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

She sings as characters like Thorn from Scooby-Doo and the Witches Ghost — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.137.84.254 (talk) 23:49, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

She is a singer, as that is part of her background. But since she has not released any major singles or albums, it is not notable for the infobox. And singing an occasional insert song for a cartoon or video game does not count unless that part is notable. -AngusWOOF (talk) 20:18, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Credits lists

I think they should either be split into a new article OR just SELECT things she's done. The list is getting to be too long. Crash Underride 17:12, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

It has since been put into a table format. Many of the episodic and guest characters have been grouped as Various characters. -AngusWOOF (talk) 20:21, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Query

There appears to be an image of her already in the Wikimedia Commons, will it suffice for the article? —T-borg (T | C) 15:33, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Removing Metroid credits

I'm removing all references to Metroid in this article. We went through a long and sordid discussion about this at the Samus Aran article, but what it comes down to is that she is not actually credited as Samus in any official documentation or websites anywhere. Most resources online that claim she voices Samus are user-submitted or WP:V-questionable websites like TV.com, IMDb, Rotten Tomatoes, Giant Bomb's encyclopedia, and a barrage of forum and blog posts. Meanwhile, Jennifer's own websites, as well as the credits for all the 3D Metroid titles ([2], [3], [4], [5]) don't credit her. Neither do any websites considered up to professional WP:V standards by Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources#List, such as IGN, Gamespot, and the like. To make absolutely sure, I did a Google search for "Jennifer Hale Metroid" and "Jennifer Hale Samus", and after 50 pages in, I was still coming up with only forum and blog posts. So until a proper source legitimately credits her, the claim that she voiced Samus should be removed. Arrowned (talk) 03:31, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

In this very recent video interview with Jennifer Hale, check at about 2:10 in and she pretty much confirms that she is the voice of Samus in the Metroid Prime. Zidane4028 (talk) 07:27, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Scroll up a bit to the Samus Aran section of this talk page and read what I wrote on this matter (hopefully that settles this once and for all). Thanks to Zidane4028 for pointing out this video interview in the first place. -Sesu Prime (talk) 02:35, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Total Drama Island?

Errr it says she plays Heather from TDI but on the main Article for the list of Total Drama island characters it says Heather is voiced by sombody completely different —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.235.90.11 (talk) 04:42, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Her Age?

I beleive that her current age is 41 now as of Febuary 2011. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm making tribute videos for her and I don't want to get her age wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.196.75.17 (talk) 02:37, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

That doesn't sound right. See previous note and sources about her birthday. -AngusWOOF (talk) 20:27, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Children?

Does she have any children? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.216.243.219 (talk) 21:46, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

She does but I'm unsure of how many their are, gender, and who the father is. If you go on youtube and type in Jennifer Hale, you'll see a comic con video, in the video she is pregnant — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.139.254.246 (talk) 04:21, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

yeah Im asking this question because I saw that video. --98.216.243.219 (talk) 21:53, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Okay I found out she's married to Barry Oswick, and has a baby boy named Shane that was born June 2010 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.137.84.254 (talk) 00:17, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

I found a video of them together on the internet okay thanks --98.216.243.140 (talk) 16:52, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

The New Yorker article mentions a son. The Personal life section could be beefed up with more information. -AngusWOOF (talk) 20:22, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Biography

A lot of her credits in the filmography section are repeated in the biography section. I think that might be too much and should be removed. Anybody else think so? Zidane4028 (talk) 03:35, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

The Biography section is being rewritten so that the credits mentioned there have some context and notability. They should only mention her most important works. -AngusWOOF (talk) 20:25, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Video interview

http://screen.yahoo.com/secrets-success-jennifer-hale-003000783.html

An interview with Jennifer Hale giving background on how she got her start in show business.

Majinsnake (talk) 20:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

This is now part of the External links. Thanks for finding this! AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 04:52, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

League of Legends

I removed this again. Please add a clear source for this before adding it again, I cant find any for it except references in the lol forums. That is NOT a viable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.74.56.251 (talk) 00:11, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

and removed once more! please add a source before you randomly add this again! i cannot find any. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.106.219.166 (talk) 05:02, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Soulcalibur contested

Soulcalibur credits have been removed as they have been contested. The game does not list voice actors and the references given are generic ones from conventions. If she tweets that she does voice in the series, or interviews show her involvement in the series, then that can be brought back. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:18, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Edits of this date

The two variant birth years were added to the main text, and the January 1 date, based only on self-published tweets is removed. Argue here based on WP policies that self-published is acceptable, but from my reading of WP:VERIFY, it is clear that we do not re-report self published DOB information from celebrities, for obvious reasons. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 08:26, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Take a look at WP:SELFSOURCE. Where does it say this doesn't apply to "celebrities"? Sro23 (talk) 08:30, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Also, you just used your IP to get around WP:3RR. I would suggest self-reverting. Sro23 (talk) 08:32, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

I have not used IP to get around anything. I have made clear that I was editing from IP when I began. AGF. You are the one sitting in ownership of this article, not I. If the lack of respect continues, we will go to an Admin. Rest of response to follow after I look to your argument. Leprof 7272 (talk) 08:36, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

How about this—return of the tweet source, but with affixed. Otherwise, we go to the Talk pages of WP:VERIFY and WP:SELFSOURCE and get further opinions. I can see that January 1, absent year, is innocuous. But tweets are not good biographical sources, and a better source is needed, to keep the article moving toward encyclopedic. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 08:44, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Please stop reverting before discussing. The edits stating the variant years of birth is fully BLP compliant. It states what the sources clearly state, nothing more. The New Yorker is a fully reputable source. The high school publication less so, but still clear enough to raise question. What are your arguments otherwise? We are to report what sources say, not what we want or think. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 08:51, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

I reverted back to when the article does not discuss the birth year. Please do not tag the article for {{better source needed}}; it is not necessary when there is no contestable information published about the birth year. The high school newsletter publication prints graduation year of 1982; she can't fake an earlier graduation year, so that implies born earlier than 1972. However, she provided born 1972 for the Tom Bissell article to make her appear to be younger than she is.

@AngusWOOF:, @Sro23:, @Grayfell:, @BU Rob13: There is no question, per WP policy, that a fact solely sourced in a self-published tweet reasonably demands a better source, and so I suggested, as a middle ground, between omitting the tweet-sourced fact, and keeping it, that we keep it with that tag. You reverted this, unjustifiably. Moreover, your arguments regarding year of birth are WP:OR—how can you possibly justify your stating "she provided born 1972 for the Tom Bissell article to make her appear to be younger than she is" as anything other than your unsourced opinion, and so OR? No, a thousand times no. Sources say what they say, and we report what they say. One can graduate very young, and to infer that this did not take place is just that, inference/your OR. As long as the Applause content is only suggestive, and not clearly definitive, all that one can do is state that there is a question raised about the clearly verifiable and clearly valid report from The New Yorker. There is no basis, outside editorial self-authority/WP:OR, to dismiss the TNY Bliss article. Note, also, that in doing the blanket reversions that you and Sro23 prefer, you also threw out the work I did to complete the Applause citation, which briefly included, for the first time, an editor, publisher, volume, page, etc., until you reverted. Finally, you give no policy/guideline-based justification for not wanting a better source tag to follow the tweet, whatsoever. More of your imposed opinion and authority. Fine, keep the article looking pretty, but being less encyclopedic. Control is all yours. Life is too short. See also below. Leprof 7272 (talk) 10:06, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

It does not mean her other information provided to Bissell is bad nor that it is suddenly unreliable, but it does raise contradictory claims for the year. As this seems to be very sensitive to BLP, and that she has neither self-publicized her birth year nor provided it to copyright.gov for music compositions and books, it is best to remove the year and leave it unknown. WP:BLPPRIVACY As for birth month and day, that falls under self-pub and not an extraordinary claim. Per WP:DOB "sources linked to the subject such that it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object." That she is correcting her month and day is reasonable for self-pub. If you want a footnote to discuss the contradicting birth years posted to the article, I'm okay with that too, as long as it is not tagged as unreliable. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 09:00, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

In case you need another one, here's a tweet from this year for birthday: "HBD to me" [6] AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 09:33, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

@AngusWOOF:, @Sro23:. @Grayfell:. @BU Rob13: See also above. With this heavy-handed, status quo-directed article protection, I give up. Let the month and day of birth remain based on a self-published tweet, and the year of birth, from a third-party published article (Bliss, The New Yorker), be omitted as unreliable. Life is too short to argue with clearly overly interested parties about their favourite articles. The article returns to its prior ownership.

But please do not try to give the impression this is policy-driven editorial control, or that my earlier editing was anything other than WP quality interested. The edits (i) presented two sources and years of birth, because that is what the sources say, and (ii) represented the January 1 tweet source as needing a better source. These were justified with extensive Edit summaries, and through the intiation of this Talk section. The knee-jerk, owning reverts were completely without full edit summaries, or reasonable justification here. (And when the discussion finally did start here, the productive, justified, policy-based, non-OR edits were again reverted, by a newcomer to the discussion, over the ongoing discussion.) And then, the protection was imposed.

Bottom line, the two separate edits I did—to infobox and main body—hone more closely to WP policies than do the reverting edits (see inserted comment above). Now, with return to status quo, the article fully omits a birth year (based only on WP:OR arguments), and sources the month and day of birth with only s self-published tweet, unqualified even by even a tag! What an article you have. Last time I respond to a young person's request to look in on a pop culture piece. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 10:06, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

The protection aims only to prevent edit warring. The alternative would have been blocks. Discuss, reach a consensus, then make an edit request. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 13:54, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Leprof 7272, I am fine with your explanation of her contradictory birth year and citing both articles as either a main article line or a footnote. It helps inform the reader that her birth year is not pinpointed and that an earnest attempt was done to verify it. It's not OR to apply WP:CALC on the birth year and conclude that 1982 graduation and 1972 birth year is a contradiction. Graduating at 10 years old would be an extraordinary claim and would need to be mentioned at either article. So I disagree that would be OR or Synth. With the listed section, the citation to the Applause! newsletter is fine to add, and you formatted it fine. The month and day is as sourced as it can get; from the person's official twitter account, self-pubbed over multiple years, and not an extraordinary claim. This is the same as with Jason Statham who Facebooked his birth month and day after the wrong one had been published and even then the birthday question still made news [7]. What do you think? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:22, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Labrador vs. Goose Bay birth place

Agreed with Leprof 7272 and recent edits that anything related to Happy Valley - Goose Bay can be stricken from the birth place. The New Yorker article says Labrador. That's about as specific as the RS can state. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:37, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Well, there's this article [8] which mentions Goose Bay. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:35, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Father

Hale has tweeted recently in support of her father Jim Learning who was imprisoned in 2013 and was recently moved to another facility. I've added Jim to the infobox, but not in the article section itself as it is not that clear she means her biological father or her stepfather. He's most likely the biological one as the Bissell article says he lives in Labrador. This book article does mention Jim's daughter Carren Dujela [9] so this is likely where Hale's Carren Learning alias come from. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:34, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

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Characters from Scooby-Doo shows

How come characters Jennifer voices can't be shown on certain remakes of Scooby-Doo?

(e.g. Honey Hunsecker in What's New, Scooby-Doo?'s Safari So Goodi)

Alonso Torrejon (talk) 23:42, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

There's no source to confirm her specific roles, see BTVA [10] and What's New, Scooby-Doo has none of her roles checkmarked to screenshots of the closing credits. Also if she's just doing utility roles of guest characters that differ over multiple episodes there's no point in listing the name of every single character there, so hence: Various characters AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 01:20, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Birth month and day reference

I'm placing the birth month and day here for reference:

• Jennifer Hale [@jhaletweets] (January 30, 2015). "I've gotten a few Bday wishes, much appreciated just between you & me, the actual day is Jan 1 😎 ❤️ you guys, thx much for thinking of me" (Tweet). Retrieved January 2, 2016 – via Twitter.

Note: birth year is still disputed. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:08, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Website unavailable?

Website on main page - www.jenniferhale.com - seems to be inactive. Remove? Gprobins (talk) 14:30, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Gprobins, yes, looks like it. We can replace it with Twitter. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:59, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

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Image request

@Radiohist: Please don't do this. I know Hale requested that that image be used for her article, but that photograph was taken by Scott Garfitt and has not been released under a free license. It will be deleted from Commons for being a copyright violation. Besides, the image by Gage Skidmore is high quality and more recent. gobonobo ^{+ c} 07:17, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Jennifer Hale purchased the rights for the photo. Is there something she needs to do to prove this? 67.161.99.143 (talk) 19:27, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

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