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Religion

Kurt Cobain wanted to convert to Catholicism (a process that involves commitment and time. Time was something he had little of while in Nirvana) according to his wife, Courtney Love, who publicly stated that he wanted to become Catholic before reading his suicide note. I did not see any mention of this in this article, though it does mention many other religious interests that I had never observed said of Kurt while he was alive. Courtney was Buddhist. I also cannot find a reference siting her pre-suicide note ramble. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.237.102.30 (talk) 10:08, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Source? I think he just had some ideas from Buddhism, but I am not sure if he is. 189.89.156.99 (talk) 17:30, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

If you read his biography it says that he was not catholic, he went to church for a little while he was sleeping at the hospital and was even about to be confermed, he said it was bullshit and moved onto the next religon. Kurt tried many religons but he decided to be a buddhist towards the end of his life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.150.166.56 (talk) 21:31, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

There are a few Kurt Cobain biographies; but from what I understand he never really had any religion, since they involved too much time and effort for him. He liked the idea of Buddhism but never really studied any of it's teachings in depth. --Connelly90[AlbaGuBràth] (talk) 10:11, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

I'd like to remove uninformative religious expressions like "born-again" from text. "While living with the born-again Christian family of his friend Jesse Reed" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davipswiki (talk • contribs) 22:08, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

It was Protestantism he converted to, not Catholicism. He later renounced Protestantism along with Christianity. 60.224.160.185 (talk) 08:17, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

LGBT portal?

Why is the LGBT portal on here? He was neither gay nor a big advocate for gay rights. He liked the idea of being gay, but that seems like a huge stretch to quality that. --TheTruthiness (talk) 03:06, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 18 May 2013

Any documentary you'll watch will tell you Cobain grew up in Aberdeen. 69.4.118.251 (talk) 20:40, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. The article mentions this in the "Early Life" section. You haven't specified a proposed edit to be made to the article. If there is something specific you think needs to be changed, please give the details in a "Change "X" to "Y"" format, explaining what should be added, changed or removed, and include details of any necessary reliable source(s) needed to support the change. Thanks. Begoon ^talk 02:27, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Pictures

the ones here are terrible. --69.125.2.186 (talk) 22:51, 22 October 2009 (UTC) I agree, the one that is currently there is horrible, They had a better one but now its been replaced by the crappy one. Megabar09 (talk) 00:09, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

We have no choice due to copyright violations. Sir Richardson (talk) 13:00, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

So were did that one come from? I was wondering, if someone had a Nirvana album or poster, and if their was as picture of Kurt on it, would there be any copy right if they took a picture of it with a camera and then uploaded it on here?. UnivoxDude15 (talk) 22:44, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

I believe that such a picture would be considered a derivative work, but that original copyright holder would still retain their rights to the original image. So to use it here, you'd now need the permission of both, which would not improve on the situation of just needing the original person's permission. Tarc (talk) 23:58, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

hard to find any PD images of him. i've long been searching and managed to find just one so far. Cramyourspam (talk) 20:22, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Painter listed under occupation?

He did the artwork for the Incesticide cover, and he wanted to be a painter. According to Charles R. Cross, he always thought he'd be a famous painter.

Should we add painter or artist or something along those lines to his occupations? ISeriouslyNeedALife (talk) 20:41, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

No. --CAVincent (talk) 05:40, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

There should be more of a reasoning against this than just "No". While he never for example had his paintings displayed in an art gallery, he is by any standard considered to have been a visual artist by many reliable sources. His role in Nirvana's music videos and album artwork can be held accountable for this. Personally, I don't think it would be particularly objectionable for "artist" to be listed as an occupation in the article's infobox. Sir Richardson (talk) 17:07, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't think that it should be listed as one of his occupations, If you did that you would probably need to put "heroin" in there also :) But joking aside, I think that it was more of a passtime for Cobain than an actual occupation; I think, he was constantly looking for ways in which he could fully express himself and used painting and sculpture as a way to acheive this in ways in which music couldn't. That's just my thoughts. --Connelly90[AlbaGuBràth] (talk) 13:51, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, your occupation is your career, and given that I doubt he even earned money from any painting then I don't think it counts as an occupation. Real N0 1 (talk) 16:49, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

You could say painting was more of a vocation for him than an occupation. It was, without a doubt, Important to him and it wasn't done purely for money. --Connelly90[AlbaGuBràth] (talk) 09:35, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

he's not notable for his painting. he's notable for music and only because of that is there any interest in his art hobby/unfulfilled pipedream. certainly he was not ever supporting himself with art earnings. it is interesting trivia --just as it would be to hear that he liked hiking or cooking or playing soccer. could be ok to mention it, sure, but it shouldn't be puffed up bigger than it is. Cramyourspam (talk) 20:27, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 6 June 2013

Under 'Health history' there is a piece of text which does not appear to have been cited by a specific source: 'Cobain's stomach condition was emotionally debilitating to him, and he intermittently tried to find its cause, usually from the insistence of Love. None of the many doctors he consulted were able to pinpoint the exact cause though some suggested he was suffering from a rare form of cancer. He suffered from an acute self-consciousness and developed a poor body image, due to his low body weight; which was primarily due to malnourishment caused by his stomach condition, medicines taken as part of treatment for cancer and poor diet (attested to by numerous doctors), or a combination of all three.' from the text above, I take strong issue with the lines: 'Cobain's stomach condition' which should be changed to: 'Cobain's apparent stomach condition'. The line following that also seems dubious: 'He suffered from an acute self-conscience and developed a poor body image, due to his low body weight; which was primarily due to malnourishmant caused by his stomach condition, medicines taken as part of treatment for cancer and poor diet...' I believe this line should be changed to: 'Suffering an acute self-conscience and poor body image, due to his low body weight, there is a belief that the malnourishment was caused by a stomach problem (though this is not completely proven), medicines taken as part of a possible cancer and poor diet... ' I also believe the line: '(attested to by numerous doctors)' should be removed completely and not replaced unless this can be cited by the primary source, since much of this text appears to be nothing more than assumption & speculation. Personally, unless there is any substantial evidence to the entire text, I think it should be removed completely. 90.197.251.229 (talk) 18:35, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Done I have removed the paragraph completely due to lack of sources, but might not object to re-adding it if accompanied by a reliable source(s). —KuyaBriBri^Talk 20:37, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Authenticity of recent image additions

Cramyourspam, can you please provide a bit of background/history/etc... for the following two images?

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2. File:KurtCobain.jpg

For #1, personally I cannot say for certain that that even is Kurt Cobain, the scraggly hair and downturned face make it difficult to tell. By markign it as "own work", are you stating for the record that you took this photograph yourself in the early 1990's? If not, where did you download it from? The metadata at commons:File:Man chows down on crabs.jpg is a bit curious, taken by a Panasonic DMC-ZS8 on May 27 2013.

For #2 I see you copied from this Flickr stream, but is there any indication that that Flickr user is the rightful owner? This image is also currently up for deletion.

I am all for more images of Kurt in this and other articles, but we have to ensure that the licensing is what it says it is. Tarc (talk) 21:46, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

thanks user tarc for taking it to talk. i worked for a few years in technical theatre including concerts and film. i was in on the creation of the eating photo (your #1) and that's all i can say about that. his hair did change a bit over time --nothing unusual there. the modern-day camera metadata is easily explained: the original is a real black-and-white photograph on photo-paper --not usable on a website. i snapped a digi-cam photo of the original photo for use on WP after seeing that there is a sad lack of cobain photos --they appear but keep winding-up deletion-worthy. you threw an inaccurate but good faith accusation at me with your #2 photo item: "I see you copied from this Flickr stream" --but it wasn't me who loaded or took or had anything to do with that photo. i can see how it might have looked that way since i was doing a lot of tweaking of the existing photos in various page edits --moving imgs around, standardizing the random thumbnail sizes. anyway, #2 is not my doing and i have no comment on it --except the above bit about the hair. #2 looks like a professional shot --unless some concert-going kid somehow smuggled in a giiiiiiant telephoto lens past the 'no photos or recording devices' patrol and THEN managed to pop off a photo with no camera-jitter in a concert crowd. not likely. now i'm inspired to trawl around a bit for the source of #2. looks like yet another non-free deletion-target. cheers.Cramyourspam (talk) 22:17, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

and an update on the mysterious #2 whose origin i hoped to find out: people all over the net have been stealing it (google-img-srch) but i still can't find an image-author. i still think it is a stolen pro shot and will be deleted soon. Cramyourspam (talk) 22:46, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

These two photos are terrible for the page, mostly because it is difficult to tell if they are of him, especially the first one, which is why I deleted it. Yes, I know he had a stomach illness, but why would you put a picture of him eating crabs to go with it? Would you put a photo of Michael J. Fox shaking because it goes along with his Parkinson's or a picture of Lindsay Lohan tripping on the ground because it goes along with her drug addiction? Plus, I have to say, as a heavy follower of Cobain's work and life, as someone who often does things related to him online in my spare time (Tumblr, Youtube, etc.), I can honestly say I have never seen that photo in my life. And looking at it closely, I really don't think it's him at all. Arilicious (talk) 00:31, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

I also have doubts the first image is even Kurt Cobain. It looks very little like the majority of pictures of Kurt from that time period. Viewed out of context, I would definitely say that was somone other than Cobain. Yankees76 ^Talk 13:18, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

@Cramyourspam...So, you possess the physical black & white crab-eating photo, took a picture of that with a digital camera and uploaded that as your own work? You can't do that, any more than you could take a pic of the Mona Lisa and release it as your own original. As Arilicious notes above though, even if it is him (sorry, still rather doubtful), it is a poor accompaniment to a section on health issues. The 2nd photo is a lost cause, really; whoever owns that Flickr account in all likelihood does not have copyright permission to publish that. Tarc (talk) 01:04, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

re (user tarc) : So, you possess the physical black & white crab-eating photo, took a picture of that with a digital camera and uploaded that as your own work? You can't do that, any more than you could take a pic of the Mona Lisa and release it as your own original. derp. really? i've been on fb for a few years and know about not-taking a mona lisa photo. thankyou. apparently i need to say again: i worked for a few years in technical theatre including concerts and film. i was in on the creation of the eating photo and by that i mean the photo-paper original.

re (user arilicious) I can honestly say I have never seen that photo in my life yep, dang right. i haven't ever published it. it has sat in the photo album alongside other behind-the-scenes images of other performers i was lucky to get over a few years of concert work. after such flak, i rather regret bothering to make a digital version to contribute to wikipedia.

as for not looking like him (user arilicious, user yankees76): srsly? here's a dozen examples (sorry from one of those infernal "rare pics of kurt cobain websites") of him in "long-hair + short fuzzy facial hair" mode: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13. "long-hair + short fuzzy facial hair" was a frequent look for him --even more typical i'd say than the short-hair one in the current infobox. sorry he's eating and not looking at his music-hero best. but it is something. i put it in the section where it best seemed to fit. go ahead and try to get a record company to release copyright to you on a kurt photo. in the meantime, my something is better than everyone else's nothing (in the form of copyright-restricted professional or news media shots that get immediately taken down for copyright.) Cramyourspam (talk) 18:04, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm very familiar with his goatee/long hair look, but that doesn't mean that because Cobain frequently adopted that facial hair and hairstyle that this picture is Kurt Cobain. The only thing preventing me from pulling the picture down is a dark spot a few inches up from his watch that might be the K-records sheild tattoo he put on himself in 1991. If that is the tattoo, the date on your photo summary (1990ish) would then be incorrect. Looking through pics of Kurt in 1991, he seems fairly clean shaven though. Also, has anyone ever seen another picture of Kurt Cobain wearing a G-Shock? Most images of Cobain with a watch were with a promotional novelty watch for a Seattle-area car dealer,[1] or no time piece at all. The watch in this photo is another red flag. Yankees76 ^Talk 20:09, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

About the hair, it looks way too shiny. We all know Kurt was not very into washing his hair, but the main thing that doesn't make me believe it's him, isn't so much the hair; it's mostly his body type. Kurt was very frail, he was never that big, and his shoulders were never that wide. And like I said before, what really is the point of having a picture of someone eating in a Wiki article? If the article was about a chef or a professional eater, maybe, but never for a musician! Like I said before, just because he had a stomach illness, that automatically means he should have a picture of him eating to go along with it? And what others have said, it's just not a very good photograph, and it's simply not appropriate for this article. The second picture now, while I do believe it's him, it just does not look that good with the article, mostly because of the poor quality. The photo from the '92 VMAs in the "Nirvana" section of the article, (which used to be in the infobox), I think it better as the main photo because the quality of the photo is better. Arilicious (talk) 01:12, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

my photo-summary date is fuzzy. sorry. i doubt that's a g-shock (vs some generic cheapo thing ya put on just to keep track of departure times and such). this is not a studio publicity shot or an on-stage view, so the 'usual' about brands of watches worn/not worn goes out the window. some fans might be surprised to learn that backstage activity among hosts or in the friends/crew only zones can differ from the on-stage persona. cheers. Cramyourspam (talk) 20:44, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

hair shine is prolly more due to my digital contrast-tweaking of the image i made from the old paper photo. sorry if that distorts things a bit. yeah he was no breck girl that's for sure. Cramyourspam (talk) 18:03, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Still, I have yet to see a single image of him with this or any similar watch on - promotional or not. Only the one in the link above that was recently auctioned by Kat Bjelland. Do you have a higher resoluton image of this shot or a time/place where it was shot? It might clarify wether or not the K-Records tattoo is present and it might allow us to pull other images from the same show to compare. Is it possible this picture is of a roadie or other backstage personel? I didn't intend for the watch to be a strawman argument - it's just that there are a number of things on this pic that don't look right: the moustache, the uncharacteristic plain white t-shirt, the huge upper body mass in relation to the size of his head - Kurt had a small shoulder girdle - the guy in the pic has a larger chest and has large traps - even compared to the other pic in question you can see how slight Cobain is vs. the guy in your pic. Also look at his arms they're big and hairy compared to skinny/clean arms seen in most pics and home movies out there. The list is fairly large. I'm not trying to nitpick, so you'll have to forgive me for not assuming good faith on this one. Yankees76 ^Talk 21:30, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Ok, so if we accept this, then what we're still left with, honestly, is a poor-quality photo, wholly inappropriate for the article. Like I said, I appreciate that there is a dearth of free-license Cobain images out there, but that doesn't mean we should let quality be checked at the door. Tarc (talk) 18:57, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Per discussion above, I am removing the crab image. Unclear origin, not good quality, doesn't even show the subject's face. Will await the outcome of the Commons deletion discussion before acting on the other. Tarc (talk) 16:37, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

I support that. Afer further review of the image and countless others of Cobain from 1990-1991, I'm convinced it's not him. Yankees76 ^Talk 12:56, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

well allrightey, you two. i guess you're a consensus. Cramyourspam (talk) 01:25, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Arilicious has also commented that it's not Cobain. Until we can examine the picture in further detail (higher resoluton) or you can provide a definitive time/place where it was shot that would help us determine that it's Cobain, we can't allow the image to remain in the article. Yankees76 ^Talk 14:52, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Uploaded another image with correct licensing status. I'm definite this is Cobain: [2]. As soon as an administrator gets to the current one, it's gone so might as well replace it now and get it over with. --Mick man34 (talk) 23:05, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Yea, that's an obvious copyright vioation and I have marked the image for a speedy deletion at the COmmons. Michel Linssen is a professional photographer, his Nirvana-related works can be found at http://rockarchive.nl/artists-4/nirvana/nirvana-kurt-cobain.html You can't just scrape stuff from FLickr without checking to see if it is really free-to-use. Tarc (talk) 23:56, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Kurt Cobain Ancestry

On a point of accuracy relating to the note about the Cobain ancestry . Inishatieve is not a village but a 'townland'. Additionally this townland is closest to the village of a Carrickmore and not Pomeroy as stated.

86.143.98.91 (talk) 00:09, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

To add a Further Reading section and to put this book under the new section

==Further reading==

• Howard Sounes. [http://www.amazon.com/27-History-through-Morrison-Winehouse/dp/0306821680 27: A History of the 27 Club Through the Lives of Brian Jones, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison, Kurt Cobain, and Amy Winehouse]. Boston: Da Capo Press, 2013. ISBN 0-306-82168-0.

Kllynnclntn (talk) 18:12, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Not done: This does not seem to be closely enough related to the subject to merit inclusion. Also, please read WP:BOOKSPAM. Regards, Celestra (talk) 22:35, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Cause of death in health issues section

Cobain was detoxed unsuccessfully many times by questionable physicians in the now-infamous celebrity detox programs in posh hotels before relapsing and dying of a drug overdose and self-inflicted gunshot in 1994. This doesn't make sense. He died from a self-inflicted gunshot, not a drug overdose, he just had drugs in his system. You can't shoot yourself once you've overdosed or the other way around. Littlecarmen (talk) 09:36, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

I removed it, it was poorly-worded and not really relevant to the section anyways. Tarc (talk) 12:34, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Homeless?

Why was this category removed? I tried to put it back in, but someone reverted it again, and said it was removed for a reason? Why? He was in fact homeless. It may not have been for a long time, but you have to remember, he didn't live that long. The description in the category says "or otherwise famously associated with past or present periods of homelessness". Was it removed because his primary reason for fame is his homelessness? In that case I understand, and I apologize. But, a reason why I find this bit of information important is because it did affect his later life. Arilicious (talk) 05:17, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

As noted in the edit summary one of the times the category was previously removed, it's intended for people who were "homeless all or much of the time, or otherwise famously associated with past or present periods of homelessness". My understanding is that Cobain was neither homeless a significant amount of the time nor is famously associated with being homeless. If you disagree you are welcome to provide a reliable source to bolster your perspective, but it appears that other editors would be inclined to dispute your categorization. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 13:36, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Kurt was indeed homeless on and off for some time. He was kicked out of his parents house when he was in high school. He was taken in by the principle off his high school. It was only supposed to be for that one night, it ended up lasting a few months. He helped out around the house to earn his stay. He was also know to sleep in the waiting room of the local towns hospital. He would sneak in at night and make it seem as if he was waiting for a family member. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.88.140.236 (talk) 20:55, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Kurt did at least claim to be homeless for a period of time. He said he had spent some time sleeping under a bridge and that this was the inspiration for the song "Something in the Way". This claim has been challenged tho, and since Kurt did have a slightly causal relationship with the truth at times, it's easy to see how he could be making this up. --Connelly90 11:59, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Age when his parents divorced

In this article it says he was 7. In Cross' book it states it was in 1976 after his birthday, which would have made him 9 , not 7. If he was 7, it would have had to be 1974 or early 1975.60.224.160.185 (talk) 07:54, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2014

Current: On April 8, 1994, Cobain's body was discovered at his Lake Washington home by an electrician named Gary Smith[87] Suggested: On April 8, 1994, Cobain's body was discovered at his Seattle home by an electrician named Gary Smith[87]

Explanation: The article is factually incorrect, because the sentence reads like Lake Washington is a place where a house could be, instead of a body of water.

The house where Kurt was found was/is on Lake Washington Blvd. in Seattle's Madrona neighborhood.

The source shows:

Seattle Times article "Neighbors recalled that police cars had appeared at the couple's Madrona home on several occasions, including twice in one day, since they had purchased the handsome $1.1 million shake-covered 1902 house on Lake Washington Boulevard East in January.

Their next-door neighbors in the old-money Seattle neighborhood along the west shore of Lake Washington lived with some apprehension about what it would be like to live near one of the most famous rock stars in the world."

Ssylli (talk) 05:47, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Done Added Blvd. Sam Sailor ^Sing 19:37, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2014

121.220.0.203 (talk) 10:26, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Request appears to be empty. Please re-submit. Tarc (talk) 13:13, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

THE PHOTOS WERE RELEASED by PD!!!!!!! Edit it!

The police have been showing the photos over the past week or so.

heres one of the articles WITH pictures so don't say they won't be released because you don't know.

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/kurt-cobain-death-scene-photos/

Yes, I saw them, as most people interested in this topic area probably have by now. If this is about the possible usage of the pics in this or similar articles, it'd probably depend on copyright law. Works created by the federal government are automatically entered into the public domain, but as far as I recall, individual states have different laws regarding this. So, there will have to be some research done to see what the situation is in Washington state, regarding works created by a state authority. Tarc (talk) 14:45, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

actually I'm saying this because the wiki page says they will not be released publicly but that's bullshit because they were in fact released to the public, I want it edited it so it states that they were released under "death" on k Kurts page. Spaceman1978 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spaceman1978 (talk • contribs) 09:08, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

The Concert Photo of Kurt Cobain is Redundant and Should Be Replaced By a Straight-On Portrait

I created this portrait of Kurt Cobain to solve the issue of redundancy in this article. Does anyone have any objection to this portrait of Cobain replacing the first instance of the side-shot "Nirvana 1992"?

File:Kurt cobain3.jpg

Kurt Cobain

I like the portrait but to use a painting when we have a real photo is nonsense. --Cyclopia^talk 13:23, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

When the original infobox image was deleted, someone just copied this band image to the infobox, leaving behind the 2nd copy. I just removed that one, as we generally do not repeat images in an article. As for the portrait...I'd really have to say no. While it's far better than anything I could paint, it looks more like a stereotypical 15-yr-old California skateboard kid than Cobain IMO. Outside of sex-related articles where it was deemed more practical to include artistic renderings rather than porn stills, I don't believe this sort of thing is done. Tarc (talk) 14:36, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

while it is hard to find PD photos of him, it isn't the common practice to make illustrations based on copyrighted photos and then try to use them. if it becomes widespread, we'll soon have all sorts of high-profile portrait photos (john lennon, michael jackson, elvis, etc) replaced by illustrations by ambitious artists hoping to promote themselves thru a celebrity's fame. except for user tarc's (above) example --and of course for historical figures alive before photography existed-- using artwork instead of photography is problematic. Cramyourspam (talk) 20:44, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

that picture that's up there now is horrible, can't somebody change it to a normal picture of him? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spaceman1978 (talk • contribs) 09:11, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2014

Kurt Cobain worked at the "Polynesian Inn Resort", not a "Polynesian coastal resort". 121.200.231.29 (talk) 22:04, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

The source used says "Kurt got a job at the Polynesian Hotel in Ocean Shores, a coastal resort about twenty miles from Aberdeen, as a janitor, fireplace cleaner, and "maintenance butt boy."" I can't find any reliable sources saying the resort was called "Polynesian Inn Resort" but I think it should be changed to either "Polynesian Hotel", "Polynesian Hotel, a coastal resort" or "a coastal resort". Littlecarmen (talk) 23:05, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Done According to the resort's own website, http://www.thepolynesian.com/index.htm, it is called "The Polynesian Resort" and I've updated the article to be more clear. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 19:25, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Pages 43 and 44 of Kurt Cobain Journals, he has handwritten his resume, to wit: page 43 at top labeled "Part time janitorial position in the Olympian newspaper" "1 year at Polynesian Condominium Resort in Ocean Shores 4.00/hr Nov". Page 44: "Polynesian Condominium Hotel Resort Ocean Shores $5.00/hr // Sept - 86 -- June 87 c/o Betty Kaales (housekeeping) // maintenance basic odd jobs, windows carpet cleaning. Moved to Olympia" He also lists several other places of employment covering Sept 85 to Feb 88 including at the Lamplighter Restaurant as a dishwasher, prep, clean up, busperson; Aberdeen YMCA lifeguard; Polynesian Condominium Hotel Resort; Lemons Janitorial. Additionally on page 43 he lists Weatherwax High School --submitted by Helen Satterlee, July 5, 2014, gypsyneleh@sbcglobal.net — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.104.96.152 (talk) 11:15, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Kurt's Favourite Cigarette Brands

I have been curious to find the exact brands of cigarettes Kurt Preferred for many years now and have managed to find the answer on the Benson & Hedges wikipedia page. "Kurt Cobain of Nirvana smoked Benson & Hedges Ultra Light Menthols as well as Winston Lights 100s." I'm thinking this could be added to Kurt's Wiki Article somewhere so other people who are curious about all aspects of his life dont have to look so hard to find this. Thanks, Erik Nachtigahl.

Erik Nachtigahl (talk) 19:57, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Punk rock

I don't see why punk rock keeps getting taken off of his genres. Can someone explain their side of this? ISeriouslyNeedALife (talk) 21:00, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

• Your statement here is literally the very first time I have ever heard Cobain described as punk rock. His genre was grunge. If you can find a source to support this, then that would prevent it from being removed. 68.146.81.123 (talk) 05:52, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
• He definately is a punk rock because in interviews considers him self to be a punk rocker and in the allmusic.com profile it says nirvana popularized punk, post-punk, and indie rock. plus he always admired punk in his quotes http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:hifexqr5ld6e174.54.122.131 15 August 2010
• He was 100% punk rock in philosophy if not music. His motto was, at least at one point; "Punk rock is freedom" --Connelly90[AlbaGuBràth] (talk) 13:38, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
• kurt cobain said himself that it was punk rock, the image of true punk rock has just been distorted so much that people think its grunge! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.238.187.60 (talk) 02:18, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

> honestly his genre was considered grundge even though he didnt like to be labeled, grundge was best known for a sad kinda dark vibe filled with lyrics unknown to some eyes, he wasnt punk rock at all he just came from it and brought a new genre of music to the world - Gio Jacobs —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.91.251.160 (talk) 19:09, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the above; that he was deffinatly grunge and the inclusion of punk rock into his genres is probably not appropriate, however, I do think that it should get a mention somewhere in the article that he was heavily influenced by punk rock, so that stuff should stay. --Connelly90[AlbaGuBràth] (talk) 13:11, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Grunge was a term the media came up with, punk rock absolutely influenced Nirvana.--72.24.207.77 (talk) 08:25, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

>I agree Punk Rock should definitely be included. Even if you don't think any Nirvana songs are close to being Punk, Fecal Matter was Punk so it should be mentioned. Nirvana wasn't the only thing Kurt was ever a part of. Kurt himself constantly mentioned Punk in interviews and refereed to his own music as Punk. He accepted the term Grunge but rarley ever refereed to himself as such. Borinquen252 (talk) 22:21, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Anyone who thinks that Nirvana wasn't a PUNK BAND needs to watch the documentary called "1991: The Year Punk Broke". Nirvana is one of the bands. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991:_The_Year_Punk_Broke — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.61.91.74 (talk) 03:34, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

As already mentioned this is a Kurt Cobain page not a Nirvana page and Kurt was in a Punk band Called Fecal Matter prior to Nirvana Skit85 (talk) 12:55, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, as previously stated Fecal Matter was considered a Punk band. Pretty sure Kurt Cobain had something to do with that band being the songwriter and all. He was in a Punk band. I don't get why putting Punk as a genre that he dabbled is such an absurd suggestion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Borinquen252 (talk • contribs) 04:09, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Kurdt/Kurt refereed to himself and all of his bands as Punk.. He never called himself Grunge, Society did! Therefore, The True "Genre" Should be Punk, but Grunge should also be mentioned. I think it should read Genre: Punk/Grunge as grunge is basically a sub-type of punk. Erik Nachtigahl (talk) 20:06, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 August 2014

HEY GUYS AND GALS. JUST SOMETHING I NOTICED WHILE LEARNING A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT KURT COBAIN (JUST WATCHED "KURT AND COURTNEY"). IN ONE OF THE "EARLY LIFE" PARAGRAPHS, IT SAYS THAT KURT'S FIRST LIVE CONCERT WAS POSSIBLY SAMMY HAGAR AND QUARTERFLASH IN SEATTLE IN "1983." I'VE ATTACHED A LINK BELOW THAT SHOWS THAT QUARTERFLASH PLAYED IN SEATTLE IN "1982," NOT 1983. IF MY SOURCE IS CORRECT, YOU MAY WANT TO FIX THAT :) \/ \/ \/

http://rocktourdatabase.com/artists/quarterflash

THANKS FOR ALL YOU DO,

Ryan B Charlotte, NC detry06@gmail.com

2600:1004:B009:C79C:64AD:A705:C624:1FCF (talk) 00:23, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Not done: I do not think rocktourdatabase.com can be treated as reliable. I checked the existing source, and 1983 is clearly listed and the concert is in the chapter pertaining to that year. -- ferret (talk) 20:23, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Wrong language

I'm not a member, and I'm pretty sure I can't edit, but it says that Kurt's mother was "(née Fradenburg)". Nee (with the accent) is French for born but this is an English article so could somebody fix that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.12.217.52 (talk) 17:19, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

It appears that "née" is the accepted term in English-language contexts as well. Regards,--Soulparadox (talk) 01:53, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Kurt Cobain's picture

Please update the concert picture of Kurt. It isn't the greatest picture of him and he is hardly visible. If you're open to suggestion here is a link to his MTV'S Live and Loud concert http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2014/03/25/Kurt-Cobain-Nirvana.jpg thank you, I am a big fan of Kurt Cobain and would only like his image to be expressed loudly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ddinkins94 (talk • contribs)

We can't use copyrighted images when freely-licensed alternatives exist, sorry. Tarc (talk) 04:13, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

A more reasonable suggestion would be to simply stop using this image as he's barely recognizable here. Unless, of course, you can find an appropriately licensed photograph that's better. I've found absolutely no satisfactory freely-licensed photographs of him and if there aren't any now, there won't be any ever. 9³ 17:29, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 April 2015

In the intro of the page, it says that Kurt died on the 8th of april, while he actually died on the 5th LodeP1 (talk) 17:18, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Kharkiv07^Talk 17:39, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2015

Although uninterested in sports, ....

Replace "disinterested" with "uninterested." Misuse of "disinterested" I believe. Kinrossus (talk) 00:12, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

 Done --I am k6ka ^{Talk to me!} _{See what I have done} 01:19, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

The following reads like an opinion and should be removed.

This- He challenged Nirvana's audience with its final studio album In Utero (1993). It did not match the sales figures of Nevermind but was still a critical and commercial success. Reads like an opinion and should be removed. Also using the word he, shouldn't the sentence start with Cobain, instead of he? And where is the proof that he was challenging the audience? 98.240.76.78 (talk) 17:38, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Removed; while the statement in the lead was supported by information later in the article, neither occurrence was sourced. DonIago (talk) 13:14, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Edit request: correct Kurt's age at time of his parents' divorce, in "Early life" section

Our source, Charles R. Cross's biography Heavier Than Heaven says Kurt was nine years old when his parents divorced, not seven years old. It's our footnote number 7, page 20. I can't confirm the page number from Googlebooks preview because there are no page numbers, but it's on the 4th page of Chapter 2. Can someone check it out and correct the error? Thanks. 108.28.105.194 (talk) 18:42, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

I actually have this book, but not with me at the moment. Will check tonight. Tarc (talk) 18:57, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Tarc. 108.28.105.194 (talk) 20:11, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

According to Cross, the divorce was finalized on July 9th, 1976. Fixed. Tarc (talk) 12:16, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you again, Tarc. 108.28.105.194 (talk) 05:18, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Date Kurt Cobain 'found dead' incorrect

Kurt Cobain's body was found on April 6, 1994 (not April 8, as stated on the Wikipedia page). It's a date that I am 100% sure of -- I was out of town on a special trip with friends & in a bar that evening celebrating my 50th birthday & wondering why there were only Nirvana videos on the video screen. The next morning, April 7, 1994, the newspaper had a front-page story...

198.8.80.205 (talk) 03:08, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Your recollection contradicts my own recollection and that of every reliable source in the world that reports the discovery happening on the 8th. Tarc (talk) 03:36, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 July 2015

In the "Death" section of this article there is a claim that is the whole second paragraph talking about Kurt Cobain's "first suicide attempt" which claims that Courtney Love said certain things and then changed her story. There is no source for this paragraph. If this very important piece of potential information does not have a source to prove it, it should be removed. This could lead people to unsubstantiated conclusions. (Not sure how to use this section of wikipedia so I hope it's not too wrong.)

Okimhyper (talk) 04:04, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi there Okimhyper. This article by CBS contains the stated information. It's about 60% of the way down the new report. Stickee (talk) 04:34, 30 July 2015 (UTC) Stickee (talk) 04:34, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

But now that we have a source, is there some way a verified user could insert the source into the article to avoid future confusion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Okimhyper (talk • contribs) 09:18, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Done Stickee (talk) 00:34, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

New documentary "Soaked in Bleach"

A documentary from 2015 called Soaked in Bleach should be added to the section "Books and Movies on Kurt Cobain". It deals in detail about the suspicious death of Cobain, focusing on the private investigator Tom Grant, who was then hired by Courtney Love to find Kurt Cobain.

Please add this movie to the appropriate section, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.1.204.134 (talk) 00:26, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Strange that my request just gets entirely ignored. Talking about Wikipedia being a democratic platform where anyone can participate... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.1.204.134 (talk) 00:36, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

And this request has still been ignored for 2 solid months now. Am I making a fool out of myself for trying to participate at Wikipedia or should the Wikipedia mods and admins actually look at the talk page to include relevant information or at least make the article open for editing? This is getting ridiculous. It is after all just about the inclusion of a documentary which has at least the same right to be here as "Montage of Heck".

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Looks good — MusikAnimal ^talk 23:29, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Crab eating guy?

Apologies if this is not in the correct syntax. But the guy eating crab image used within the "Musical influences" section is clearly not Kurt Cobain or is it relevant to the section and should either be removed completely or replaced with another suitable image. I just thought I'd raise awareness of the issue, even though the vandalism seems to have been on this page for 2 years according to the page history. Ojdon (talk) 22:56, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Done Removing image for now. I really can't tell either way if it's him or not but given that it's purportedly a picture of him eating crabs, which really has nothing to do with his notability, am removing it. Cannolis (talk) 23:28, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. Thanks for pointing this out, Ojdon — MusikAnimal ^talk 23:29, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Where did that image come from? The file name says "Cobain" but it's categorized as an "unidentified man" on Commons. If it's not him, the file needs to be renamed. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:32, 24 September 2015 (UTC)