Talk:Lea Michele

Michele's bullying accusation

Michele's former castmates including Abigail Breslin, Heather Morris, and Yvette Nicole Brown also supported Ware.

~~covudx44 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Covudx44 (talk • contribs) 16:49, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes, more stories about bullying here:

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/lea-michele-reaching-out-former-co-stars-accusations-poor-behavior

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12337713

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8388563/Lea-Micheles-former-understudy-says-terrifying-work-just-12-YEARS-OLD.html

https://www.kctv5.com/lea-michele-accused-of-making-traumatic-microaggressions-against-glee-co-star-samantha-m/video_dd714d04-c278-538b-a6b9-e82580ff1de1.html

Yes, this should be added to her article. It is a monumental event. Daleylife (talk) 10:24, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

References

ancestry

her father is of Spanish-Sephardic Jewish ancestry sepharadic means "arab jew" and so it's from the "maghreb". There is no sepharadic jews in Spain but rather they come from the maghreb (tunisia, algeria, and morocco) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.97.198.50 (talk) 14:57, 3 March 2014 (UTC) Her second surname Sarfati is a Moroccan Jewish surname so her father is from MOROCCO. Doesn't Sephardic mean from Spain? --85.181.230.77 (talk) 09:56, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

'Sephardic Jews' can also be from Portugal. 'Spanish-Sephardic' is simply more specific. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.67.44.132 (talk) 05:22, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

"Sephardic" is from the Hebrew word, "Sefarad," which means "Spain." Sephardic Jews are those who originally were of Spanish ancestry but were expelled from Spain in 1492 by Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand, "Los Reyes Catolicos," and shortly afterwards from Portugal. Most ended up fleeing to Northern Africa, the Netherlands, and the Ottoman Empire (Turkey). Many who escaped to the New World were burned at the stake, as the Inquisition set up shop in Mexico City and other places.

BTW, because her MOTHER is not Jewish, Ms. Michele is not a Jew, under Jewish law. She may undergo a conversion under Jewish law and become a Jew, as can any non-Jew.76.255.108.107 (talk) 04:53, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

She's not of Spanish ancestry, unless you think the fact her ancestors may have lived in Spain 500 years ago makes her Spanish. You shouldn't assume that a site called "Jvibe" is accurate. Also Sephardic Jews aren't Spaniards who practiced Judaism, they're Jews who lived in Spain.184.59.7.32 (talk)

Technically, Sefardi means Iberian, but I think Spanish is an over specification, as there were little differences between various Iberian communities prior to the Expulsion of 1492. However, in this case it might mean that her father is actually from Spain, which is rare for most Sefardim today. Just like most Ashkenasim are not from Germany anymore (Ashkenas = Germany in Hebrew) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.144.26.242 (talk) 20:24, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Loreal True match Ad says she's Turkish too, kinda makes more sense now. Also I deleted the "Hispanic/latino actress/singer" category, I don't see any evidence that she was ever considered one. Anyone has evidence supporting this?--76.213.236.108 (talk) 15:31, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Religion

Lea Michele was raised a Jew by her father and a catholic by her mother (she experienced both religions). Should we also add her to the category of American Roman Catholics?74.167.245.190 (talk) 19:56, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

• Yes.173.51.69.138 (talk) 06:10, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

• No, because there is no sourcing for the claim that she's a Catholic. If there's reliable sourcing for such a claim, fine; if not, we should recall that "raised by one or more Catholic parents" =/= "Catholic." - Simon Dodd { U·T·C·WP:LAW } 17:30, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

No, because who's to say she's a Catholic or Jew now?

Relevance of tattoos and cats

I fail to see the encyclopedic value of including information about tattoos and cats. Just because "data" is sourcable to a reliable source doesnt mean that it should be included in an article. Active Banana ( ^bananaphone 14:44, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree its not encyclopedic and more suited to a fanpage.--SabreBD (talk) 14:58, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Mistake on page!!!!!!

Under Lea's film and television credits it says that lea is in glee from 2009 to 2012, however co-creator Brad Falchuk revealed at comic con 2011 that season 3 would infact not be Lea's last season, i include a link to a video which show glee co-creator brad falchuk clearly state that lea would not leave glee after season 3 and there fore she will be in glee till after 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSyAbCagsjY&feature=player_embedded (start watching the video 2 mins 49 seconds into the video and brad makes it clear that lea will not be leaving glee as previously reported)

I therefore propose that in lea's tv credits the year for glee should be changed from '2009 - 2012' to '2009 - ' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hahjafhkjfhkj (talk • contribs) 00:52, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Agreed, the credits should not have an end date until it actually happens and done now Jnorton7558 (talk) 01:53, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Spanish?

Shouldn't she be Spanish-American too? Jewish people need to decide whether it's a religion or an ethnicity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.222.238.38 (talk) 22:55, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

No, she's not Spanish. While Sefardi (Iberian) Jews lived in Spain for over millenium and a half, that all ended in 1492, when they were expelled from Spain. Since which time few if any Jews lived there. Also, her fathers last name means French (in Hebrew) which implies that his ansestors came to Spain from France (or more likely Provance). On the issue of Jewish identity, we decided a long time ago, that we are a people. As such, while we do have a national religion, it is not practiced by everyone. There are Jews practicing most other religions without losing their status as such. Unlike other nations, we consider being born to a Jewish mother to be a minimum requirement for natural membership. Someone not born Jewish can join by converting to the national religion. 216.144.26.242 (talk) 20:16, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

No. In this case Spanish is a Nationality/country of origin of her father, not an ethnicity since Sephardi is considered a different ethnicity from that of Spanish. Would the Jews that escaped from the Nazis be German-Americans even though that's the country/nationality they came from?--Anen87 (talk) 00:09, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

So I would think that the category for 'Americans of Spanish descent' should be removed. The only thing the links that are purported to support this assertion say is that her father is of Sephardic Jew descent. Not Spanish. Depor23 (talk) 07:07, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Personal Life

It's well-documented that Lea Michele dated Theo Stockman. They appeared in public several times and she acknowledged the relationship in several magazine interviews. She also made a statement that the relationship had ended in September 2011. Wikipedia regularly publishes this type of information about other celebrities... perhaps it would be relevant to some readers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.241.72.196 (talk) 05:50, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

In the information box it was decided Cory Monteith was not a partner to be include in that box so therefore I do not see why five years after his death and Lea having two long term relationships after him why he is still included in her personal life section. If she married will it still warrant one old boyfriend in that section? If it had been a non famous BF to pass away would he be included doubtful. I propose Cory mentions fit better within her music section and the two songs written for him. Sorry I probably did this wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Attmcb (talk • contribs) 00:43, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Public Image

The quality of the writing here is at times, in my opinion, low and biased. It reads like it is straight from Lea's publicist along with a bunch of selected citations to support the claims. For instance, "She is known to take fashion risks at public events,[189] and, in the past, has been made fun of because of her ability to pose on the red carpet."

This article is an example of why many say that Wikipedia has some issues. It's a great site but this article reads like press material instead of a neutral look at the many great contributions and artistic achievements Lea Michele has achieved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.237.238.124 (talk) 06:01, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Again she is now married. There is no reason to continue to mention Cory in her personal life because he is not part of her personal life. There are other places he can be mentioned in relation to her. Her old house use to be in the personal life box but when she got a new house we did not keep that info on wiki so why have just this one relationship that ended almost 6 years ago? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Attmcb (talk • contribs) 07:30, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Again, this article is not about the present day. If it were, we would remove her tenure on Glee! (which ended years ago) and delete our articles on World War II {which has been over for, like, decades).

This article is about Michele, covering important aspects of her life, personal and professional. Primarily, we judge how important something is to a topic by how much coverage it receives in independent reliable sources. Yeah, relationships begin and end. Some of them are of comparatively trivial importance to a topic. Others are a meaningful piece of their story.

That the relationship is not part of her personal life today is not relevant. Using your criteria, we would remove most of the article, deleting shows as they end and removing people who die or are no longer part of her life. This is an encyclopedia where we record the past and (to a limited extent) the present. Magazines and newspapers are focused on the present. Wikipedia is not a newspaper or magazine. - SummerPhD^v2.0 16:51, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

But who are we to decided which were the important readerships and which ones were not? She actually lived with Theo Stockman and Matthew Peatz but they have been randomly determine not to be important to her story. Cory still had a house with friends so it was not at the same level at lea tin that respect as two other relationships.

We've been through this. Repeatedly. The last advice on your talk page still stands: "Over the course of a year and a half, you have removed the section 6 times. You've been reverted 6 times by multiple editors. It is time to either drop it or take the issue to an appropriate venue." - SummerPhD^v2.0 12:38, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Is there going to be a re-write of the Personal Life section? There are sentence fluency, grammar, and punctuation issues with the part about her diagnosis and diet (?) change. Nithink94 (talk) 08:24, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

You should feel free to WP:BEBOLD and fix any grammar or punctuation issues you see. Cerebral726 (talk) 13:53, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

The page is semi-protected and I don't have the access to fix it. Anyway, it looks like someone else fixed it. Nithink94 (talk) 00:20, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello: I am a novice on Wikipedia; I would just like to know if her son's name, Ever Leo, could be added? Thanks. Dan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8807:484C:F800:15CC:3D92:8E9C:5508 (talk) 19:34, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Main Photo

Please update the main photo for this article. Right now, it's from over a year ago. It would be so much more relevant for readers to see a recent photo of Lea for the main photo. This link will take you to a photo of Lea that she posted on her Twitter at the 2011 Emmy Awards on September 18, 2011 - http://twitter.com/#!/msleamichele/media/slideshow?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyfrog.com%2Fh3k2bzxj Please take this into consideration. I think it's important for the main photo to be recent — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tedroxie0222 (talk • contribs) 15:48, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Cory Monteith

The information "| partner = Cory Monteith (2012-2013; his death)" keeps being removed from Michele's Infobox. It was removed, reverted and then reverted again which means the issue comes to the Talk Page to be decided. So the question is was Monteith considered Michele's "partner" (meaning a committed relationship) or did they casually date? I'm sure that Michele's fans have a better idea of the state of the relationship than I do, so please weigh in. This delete also seems to be going on on the Cory Monteith article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:00, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

You make it sound like I am censoring the article. I am not. The infobox guidelines clearly states: "For unmarried life partners". The article does not state that they did anything more than dating. Nymf (talk) 20:52, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

I haven't seen any reliable source that states that the two had reached the stage of becoming life partners. Absent such a source—which should be included in the article, if found—I don't see that the infobox can be justifiably include this field. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:42, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Recently on ellen, she discussed her relationship with Cdory. Not sure if this is a "reliable source", but it is certainly worth noting. Bojo1498 (talk) 22:08, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Song in animated movie

I think that her song was great. Include somewhere? See the publication. My very best wishes (talk) 04:20, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

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Deactivated twitter account

I the aftermath of the disappearance of Naya Rivera, Lea deactivated her twitter account due to harassment and trolling. If it was considered relevant enough to be reported on Naya's article, would it be relevant enough to be reported here as part of the controversy around her? Not A Superhero (talk) 05:54, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 April 2021

82.2.224.18 (talk) 21:58, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Getaway (2013 film)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Deauthorized. ^(talk) 22:23, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 July 2022

Parispv (talk) 02:57, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

"Mistreatment of fellow cast members and allegations of racism"

First of all, no one accused her of being a racist, not even Samantha. I quote her own words: "Am I calling Lea a racist? No."

[Source: ]

The word 'controversy' would be somewhat more convenient as a title.

It would be good if you don't give people bad information.

References

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 09:40, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Literacy

@Parispv: The rumor/conspiracy about Michele's literacy is widely discussion and well sourced, including her making a statement on the situation in the NYT in addition to WP:BUZZFEEDNEWS and WP:RSPDEADLINE covering the topic. It is well deserving of inclusion in the article and is far from "Totally irrelevant". Cerebral726 (talk) 12:42, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

For the record, she’s had a number of opportunities to read in interviews and refuses. Due to her lack of traditional education it is entirely possible she’s illiterate or aliterate. == — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:4041:5802:1000:B9A9:D793:4DAB:624C (talk) 12:19, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

@Parispv:, I also think their should be subheadings in the personal life section for clarity (especially if the literacy rumor is to be added). Please explain your reasoning for removing them.--Cerebral726 (talk) 19:26, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

@Parispv:, you cannot unilaterally remove well cited content without engaging in a conversation on the talk page, see WP:STONEWALL. None of your reasoning has justified removal of the addition on literacy.--Cerebral726 (talk) 20:10, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

The fact that you consider a stupid internet meme to be an important part of an actress's "personal life" is really weird. Parispv (talk) 02:07, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

The Wikipedia article is supposed to reflect the available sources. Numerous reliable sources including an interview in the NYT, Deadline, and BuzzfeedNews all discuss extensively the rumor. It is completely WP:DUE, and that fact you find it to be a "stupid" internet meme or "weird" is not a valid reason to consistently blank it from the page, nor remove the headers. Cerebral726 (talk) 02:12, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Do you have any policy based arguments on why the addition should not be on the page? If your primary concern is it's location in "personal life" I would be fine with creating a "Public image" section for the literacy, bullying, and philanthropy parts of the article. Cerebral726 (talk) 12:42, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Although she has talked about it, it is not relevant enough to belong in one person's life. In that case, you should create an additional page where that conspiracy theory is discussed. Parispv (talk) 23:38, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

What specific justification do you have to think it is not relevant enough to include on this page despite the number of reliable sources that have discussed it: [1][2][3][and more below]? An article has to have WP:DUE coverage of all major aspects of the subject, and a small paragraph on her literacy is needed to meet that standard. I do not believe this topic deserves it's own article, as it is not a large enough subject or distinct enough from the life of Lea Michele to meet the needs for it's own article. It would be nonsensical to start an article that would inevitably be merged. Cerebral726 (talk) 12:42, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

For clarity, the above discussion is on this edit, with the text I would like to add reproduced below. --Cerebral726 (talk) 20:36, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Response to third opinion request:

Based on the below, it appears there's plenty of independent news coverage of this in reliable sources, and as such, it is relevant enough for inclusion, and perhaps even more relevant considering her line of work. For those who disagree, you're welcome to pursue other forms of dispute resolution. DonIago (talk) 19:27, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

@Doniago:, thanks for your help. Would you be willing to weigh in on the related topic if there should be subheadings for the "Personal life" section [4]. Seems like a fairly clear net benefit to me. Cerebral726 (talk) 14:47, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Literacy

Michele has been the subject of rumors, conspiracy theories, and jokes that she is illiterate since 2017, with the rumor becoming a popular Internet meme in March 2018 and again in 2022. The rumor started with Jaye Hunt and Robert Ackerman of the podcast One More Thing as they were discussing a scene from Naya Rivera's memoir Sorry Not Sorry in which Michele refused to improvise scenes with Tim Conway. Michele responded in an interview with The New York Times in September 2022, saying, "I went to Glee every single day; I knew my lines every single day, and then there's a rumor online that I can't read or write? It's sad. It really is. I think often if I were a man, a lot of this wouldn't be the case."

References

Photo choice

Since it has been switched around recently I wanted to start a discussion. The two options that are not clear copyright violations are on the right below. Relevant pings: Parispv Wiki-nPhoenix

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  Option A from 2015
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  Option B from 2022
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  Option C from 2022

• Option A is my vote. While Option B is much more recent, her appearance has not changed significantly in the last 7 years. Option B is not as flat, focused (shallow depth of field for artistic photos aren't as useful in an encyclopedic context), or well lit a photo for the intended purpose. Cerebral726 (talk) 19:38, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Update my vote to Option C, which Wiki-nPhoenix recently added as an option but was reverted by Parispv. Option C is up to date, high quality, and fully in focus to be used for encyclopedic purposes. --Cerebral726 (talk) 13:02, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

    Option A is my vote too. Additionally, the one I like the least is option c since she is not looking directly at the camera, in that case I prefer option B instead. Parispv (talk) 23:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

    I prefer Option B or C - I believe her face/hair has changed enough to merit an update, and she is not looking at the camera in Option A either Wiki-nPhoenix (talk) 22:24, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

@Wiki-nPhoenix:, could I convince you to go for just Option C, which has more even focus and lighting across the entirety of her face, along with the good points you made? I’d like to break the current deadlock we have and reach a consensus and believe that C is the superior option for encyclopedic purposes. Cerebral726 (talk) 01:08, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Fine with me! Wiki-nPhoenix (talk) 03:34, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Headers

@Parispv:, can you explain why you do not think there should be headers in the personal life section? It is pretty standard when there are a number of disparate paragraphs that are lengthy to include subheaders for easy navigation. Cerebral726 (talk) 21:08, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

@Cerebral726 In this case, headers are not necessary since the information is too short to separate it into sections. Parispv (talk) 05:18, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

@Parispv:, if you do not have any objections, I will add the headers back, since they seem like an improvement for navigation. --Cerebral726 (talk) 12:54, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

In this case, headers are not necessary since the information is too short to separate it into sections. Parispv (talk) 05:17, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

At MOS:OVERSECTION, it states "Short paragraphs and single sentences generally do not warrant their own subheading." The 3 subsections I introduced were either two short paragraphs or one very large paragraph each, which hardly seems too short to separate into subsections, and is plenty in line with similar sections in other articles. Additionally, in one of your edit descriptions you said "Illiteracy? As if she really was." I want to clarify the section header I introduced for that one was "Literacy" not "Illiteracy". Cerebral726 (talk) 13:22, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't think it's necessary to separate with subtitles having such short information and with such irrelevant titles, like "Literacy" implying as if the actress really didn't know how to read, it seems like a joke. Parispv (talk) 07:27, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Cite Check

@Beccaynr:, which specific aspects of that section you tagged do you consider misinterpretations? Cerebral726 (talk) 19:34, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

"Unreliable sources"

@NintendoTTTEfan2005:, could you be more specific about your concerns, either here on the talk page or by using "Template:Unreliable source?" inline? Tagging at the article level when the article has 182 sources doesn't make it easy for any other editor to try to address your concerns. Schazjmd (talk) 19:15, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

ok, I am referring to there being a reference to BuzzFeed, which is a source known for being unreliable. NintendoTTTEfan2005 (talk) 20:19, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

@NintendoTTTEfan2005, there are two BuzzFeed News refs; BuzzFeed News is generally reliable. Schazjmd (talk) 20:57, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Ok, I didn't know that BuzzFeed and BuzzFeed News were separate. NintendoTTTEfan2005 (talk) 21:42, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Edit request 12 September 2024

Description of suggested change: Add that Lea Michelle gave birth to her daughter at the end of the paragraph mentioning that she is pregnant with her second child as the child is now born.

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On March 27, 2024, she announced she was pregnant with her second child, a daughter.

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On March 27, 2024, she announced she was pregnant with her second child, a daughter, later giving birth to the child in August 2024.

107.115.203.10 (talk) 22:47, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

 Partly done: I added the latest birth with a ref. I've removed all of the "announced" (engagement, pregnancy, pregnancy) as they were no longer needed. Schazjmd (talk) 23:03, 12 September 2024 (UTC)