Talk:Licypriya Kangujam

Could pronunciation of her name be added?

Chidgk1 (talk) 18:31, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

If you can find it, I think that would be a good idea. 122.107.80.18 (talk) 14:43, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Criticism

This is an article about her, not about her father. The article should write about her person. All this happened when she was less than 10 years old, so it cannot be blamed on her, but only on her father. When her father gets an article all criticism can get there, but for writing many paragraphs about her father? This is the wrong place. --Gereon K. (talk) 14:01, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Hai licypriya 2409:4066:D4D:22A5:DCF3:BAA:B7C5:BF68 (talk) 03:00, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Hai licypriya i like you r choice ei priyaluxmi khwairakpam ei manipur dagine ei Bishnupur district ki manung channa leiba ngaikhong khullen dagine 2409:4066:D4D:22A5:DCF3:BAA:B7C5:BF68 (talk) 03:06, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Please check my edit

I just did a top to bottom copy edit, and I hope I didn't make anything wrong. I'd appreciate it if someone watching this article could check behind me to make sure. Thanks. Yesthatbruce (talk) 08:21, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. Thank you. But her Instagram and Twitter is somehow superfluous and unencylcopedic when her website can be found in the weblinks. --Gereon K. (talk) 19:08, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

I think that she did not, in fact attend a UN disaster conference it seems to be a fake claim

i have read several articles concerning this topic and they seem to suggest that that her being selected to speak on the UN disaster conference was a lie crafted by her father.As I am not sure about the sources i would like to put this out there so more people can do some digging on this topic sice wikipedia wont allow me to paste the link here is the name of one of the articles------ ‘Indian Greta’ Licypriya Kangujam who ‘turned down’ PM Modi’s #SheInspiresUs honour may have faked her ‘achievements’ to stardom. Student fm (talk) 08:32, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Maldives 2019 prize

@Gereon K.: I'm trying to sort out whether the paragraph in "Recognition" on the 2019 Maldives prize is justified to be kept.

• Kangujam herself stated (archive) On 1st Sept. 2019, I received the 'World Children Peace Prize 2019' from Regional Alliance for Fostering Youth & Ministry of Youth & Sports, Maldives at Maldives National University, Malè. Mr. Charles Allen of Institute of Economic & Peace, Australia handed over to me. In that case, it is irrelevant whether or not the Institute for Economics and Peace (IEP) issues awards, because the person presenting the prize was (per Kangujam) presenting it on behalf of "Regional Alliance for Fostering Youth" (RAFY (archive)) and the Maldives Ministry, not on behalf of the IEP.
• RAFY (archive) ... every participant received a medal at the end of the program and there were 200 participants;
• The World Children Peace Prize does not seem to exist beyond the 2019 Maldives RAFY/Ministry prize for 200 participants; the closest thing seems to be this page that after following the links gets to the International Children's Peace Prize, which appears to be unrelated.
• Twitter/X is a poor sourcehttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Licypriya_Kangujam&diff=prev&oldid=1189549980 for a Times of India article and the "turned out to be sham" claim.

Boud (talk) 15:01, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

I removed the paragraph given the above arguments. Anyone wishing to restore it is welcome to add arguments for or against and, first of all, provide some high quality sources that are acceptable in a WP:BLP article. Boud (talk) 15:06, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello Boud. Twitter is indeed a source not to be used at all for anything on Wikipedia, so it should be discared as a reference. If it is undoubtable that she received an award, but it is not clear who issued the award, the mention of the award will be sufficient. Anything more would be original research. These sham allegations smell like a campaign against her imho. --Gereon K. (talk) 15:08, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

There can actually be some (rare) exceptions to allow Twitter as a source, but the onus is on justifying the exceptions, and I don't see any justification presented in this case. The current best source for the award itself is Kangujam's own tweet (linked above), i.e. it's not independent of the subject and it doesn't establish notability of the award. Boud (talk) 15:28, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

First name/second name

India has a range of naming traditions, but at least according to traditional European naming schemes, it seems that writing "Licypriya" everywhere in the article rather than "Kangujam", is like writing "Ursula" throughout Ursula von der Leyen. Kangujam is currently a child, but she's notable enough for Wikipedia, so it seems to me that we should replace "Licypriya" by "Kangujam" in most places, unless someone has evidence that people from Manipur have a naming convention like many people from Ethiopia (where Abiy Ahmed is normally called "Abiy"; a few Western mainstream media sources insist on calling him "Mr Ahmed", since they didn't think of checking the hatnote in Abiy's Wikipedia entry).

Are there any arguments against replacing "Licypriya" by "Kangujam" in the appropriate places (i.e. most) in this article? (Exceptions are where there is ambiguity, such as the personal life section.) Boud (talk) 16:02, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Since she is still a child merley writing Kangujam sounds odd. Replacing by Licypriya Kangujam could be a solution. --Gereon K. (talk) 17:03, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

I disagree with "Kangujam" sounding odd: see Adultism. However, as I expected, the Wikipedia consensus has long been established; your and my preferences are unlikely to shift that. Here are quotes from MOS:SAMESURNAME: When referring to the person who is the subject of the article, use just the surname unless the reference is part of a list of family members or if use of the surname alone will be confusing. This applies to minors as well as adults. and the footnote There have been repeated proposals to treat small children, or all minors, differently and to always refer to them by given name. These proposals have not gained consensus. Especially do not refer to notable minors by given name (in their own article or elsewhere) except as necessary to disambiguate from other family members.

So the open question is whether or not it's clear what counts as a "surname" in this case, and whether MOS:SAMESURNAME can be meaningfully applied at all. Indian name does not have an entry for the main Manipur ethnicity, the Meitei people, of which Kangujam is apparently associated with. There is the article Yumnak about traditional Meitei names, in which the first name - the patrilineal one - would appear to be the closest to the role of surname. On the other hand, research on how universal the traditional naming scheme is used is absent from the article. Whether Kangujam's family follows the Meitei tradition or rather Western-style naming should really go by the sources that we're aware of. And whether we should follow national Indian English-language media or Manipur English-language media is another issue.

The two non-paywalled sources for Licypriya Kangurajam's father that we currently use are Vice calling him "Kanarjit Kangujam" and generally referring to him as "Kangujam"; and Times of India, introducing him as "Kanarjit Kangujam" or "Dr KK Singh", and then calling him (per paragraph) "Singh"; "Singh"; "Singh", "Kangujam"; "Kangujam"; "Kangujam"; "Kangujam". I interpret this as an editor avoiding the issue of which name to use and choosing a "stylistic" compromise ...

On the other hand, The Frontier Manipur sounds like a newspaper in the state of Manipur itself, and would be more likely to respect local culture than national-level newspapers. These 22 May 2021 and 19 May 2021 articles from The Frontier Manipur uniquely use "Kanarjit" to refer to the father (except when they give a full name). Punshiba18 does not seem to have been recently active on Wikipedia, but I'll post a message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Manipur to see if we can get some input on the question. Boud (talk) 19:36, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

"I disagree with "Kangujam" sounding odd: see Adultism": Yes, and see also MOS:BIO footnote J: There have been repeated proposals to treat small children, or all minors, differently and to always refer to them by given name. These proposals have not gained consensus. Especially do not refer to notable minors by given name (in their own article or elsewhere) except as necessary to disambiguate from other family members.

SAMESURNAME probably needs some clarification, like a footnote that says something like 'For non-Western cultures that have different namving conventions, substitute for "surname", in "use just the surname", whatever portion of the name would be conventionally used in that culture for references to a person in a semi-formal register. [examples here] For some specifics, see Culture-specific usages.' "Culture-specific usages" = MOS:GIVENNAME a.k.a. MOS:PATRONYMIC. And obviously that section needs expansion to cover more cultures (possibly even a split-out to a sub-page after significant development; back in 2018, I loosely proposed centralizing this sort of thing at what is now WP:Categorization/Sorting names, or having some kind of shared transclusion or something between that page and an MoS page – see Wikipedia talk:Categorizing articles about people/Archive 10#A point needs clarification into guidance instead of non-guiding observation (and tacit approval) of conflict) – but in several years there has been no progress yet in this direction. It would take significant RS research.

All that aside, I have neither the cultural experience nor RS to answer the question how people (adults, since we write about children the same way and do not infantilize them) are properly referred to in semi-formal writing in this Indian culture. And I would not necessarily trust journalism on the matter, since approaches are apt to vary by publisher and even by writer. It would probably be most instructive to identify notable other people from this region, especially any academics, and see how they are referred to in journals and other non-journalistic material, in English.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  00:33, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Good suggestion: peer-reviewed journals where the authors and editors are aware of the culture and refer to notable individuals from the culture (Meitei in this case). Boud (talk) 19:43, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Removal of native name

In this edit, Marginataen removed "ꯂꯤꯁꯤꯄ꯭ꯔꯤꯌꯥ ꯀꯥꯡꯉꯨꯖꯝ" as Licypriya Kangujam's "native name", although mni:ꯂꯤꯁꯤꯄ꯭ꯔꯤꯌꯥ ꯀꯥꯡꯉꯨꯖꯝ is exactly what we have in the Meitei language Wikipedia written in Meitei script. The consonants per Meitei script include:

• ꯂꯤ - lai + diacritic
• ꯁꯤ - sam/sham + diacritic
• ꯄ꯭ - pā/paa + underline
• ꯔꯤ - rai
• ꯌꯥ - yang
• ꯀꯥ - kok
• ꯡ - ngou
• ꯉꯨ - ngou lonsum derived from Mapung Mayek letter + diacritic below
• ꯖ - jil
• ꯝ - mit/meet

I'll restore it, though someone who actually knows the language and script (not me; I only sort of know devanagari and read the Meitei script article) could improve the spelling if it's not quite standard. Boud (talk) 21:36, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

The underline in "ꯄ꯭ꯔꯤ" does look suspicious to me - it could be from someone copy/pasting from somewhere, but that would have to be judged by someone knowing the language + script. I don't think it justifies removing the name entirely, even if it's incorrect. Boud (talk) 21:43, 12 December 2023 (UTC) is unicode character U+ABED in Meetei Mayek (Unicode block), so nothing suspicious. I don't know what it's used for, but that's only my problem because I can't find a description of its role in Meitei script. Maybe that's the syllable that is stressed like in English? or a tone in that syllable like in Mandarin? Boud (talk) 21:48, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

I reverted their latest edit [1]. "Random boxes" sounds like Marginataen is seeing the .notdef character 􏿾 commonly displayed by systems when the font doesn't support the characters to be displayed. Alternatively some other replacement character like  or � or ☐. As I mentioned in my edit summary, editors should generally not edit scripts when they see these characters as it's most likely a problem with their device (OS or browser or something) rather than the script. Help:Multilingual support provides guidance for editors who want to try an fix problems but ultimately if you can't read the script anyway it may not matter a big deal for a case like this, just don't edit it if you can't see it. (For usernames it's more problematic if you can't see it.) Nil Einne (talk) 00:09, 13 December 2023 (UTC)