Talk:List of British Commonwealth Air Training Plan facilities in Canada

Missing Information

This page lacks alot of information... Not all Air Navigation Schools are listed and what about the Operational Training Units? I'm guessing that the North Battleford Service Flying Training School (#32 in the list) was actually the North Battleford/Hamlin Airport and not North Battleford (Cameron McIntosh) Airport. Looking at the satellite images, the former has the "runway triangle" while the latter does not. Can someone verify this?

Both of these airfields have a triangle shape, but the "Cameron McIntosh" field has been modified (like many surviving BCATP airfields were, St. Thomas, Centralia, Brantford, Hamilton, e.g.). My primary authority for the locations of the airfields given in this article is the Air Navigation chart for the area. I do not have the chart circa WWII for North Battleford, so I decided to accept the existing Wikipedia articles for these two airfields as an authority. My interpretation of the satellite images is that Hamlin was the primary relief field (R1) for North Battleford (Cameron McIntosh). The folks at the Commonwealth Air Training Plan Museum in Brandon probably have documentation circa WWII about the location of this airfield. Sorry for the long delay in responding SteveTheAirman (talk) 23:49, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Coordinate error

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There are a number of coordinates in the article, and in a hasty check I haven't noticed that any are wildly incorrect. Could you please clarify exactly what coordinates you think are erroneous and what the error is? Deor (talk) 00:56, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

In the absence of any response from the OP, I'm closing this as not done. Deor (talk) 19:15, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Relief fields

The list of relief landing fields is not complete. Does someone know of a more complete list that we can use as a source? For e.g., Kingston had a field at Sandhurst and Vulcan had relief fields at Champion and Ensign. These aren't listed. BC  _{talk to me} 19:17, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

I have a more complete list c.1942 for western and northern Canada. The reference is the RCAF Pilots Handbook of Aerodromes and Seaplane Bases, Vol 2. I have been working to update most of the actual articles on the primary air bases with this information. Unfortunately the reference doesn't list the Primary Station that the Aerodromes were attached to. Mech1949 (talk) 16:52, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

RAF stations

RAF stations (e.g. Kingston, Moose Jaw, Greenwood, De Winton, etc.) were technically not part of the BCATP until 1942. Until then they were just RAF training stations that happened to be located in Canada. It's a bit confusing since many of these stations trained RCAF personnel (e.g Kingston) for the BCATP and RAF trainees were often trained by RCAF contractors (e.g De Winton). Hatch, pg 68 mentions that these transferred schools were, however, subject to RCAF administrative and operational control. So, the RCAF had some say in how the RAF stations were operated. Hatch goes on to say that for all practical purposes they formed an extension of the BCATP but were not officially incorporated as part of the Plan until July 1942. Perhaps we should mention the status of these RAF stations and explain why they are listed as BCATP facilities (because they really weren't Plan facilities until '42). BC  _{talk to me} 00:40, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi Brian. This is Steve at U of G. Do you mean a further explanation is required beyond that in Section 1, "Planning and operation of facilities", and Note 2 in the "Notes" section? SteveTheAirman (talk) 21:29, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I think a further explanation is needed for the actual article text based on the info I stated above. Probably in the Planning section. It does mention "an expansion as a result of the Ottawa conference of May and June 1942", but I think we need to explain that the RAF stations became officially incorporated into the Plan in July 1942. When I have time, I can hammer this together. We don't want to give the illusion that the RAF stations were always officially part of the BCATP (implied by the listings of the RAF schools in the article).  BC  _{talk to me} 20:28, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Cleaning up the lists

I have done a few things on this page and I believe that we need to do more.

• I have removed all the flag emblems that were located on some of the EFTS and SFTS facilities, they were making things very hard to read.
• I think it might be worthwhile to reorganize the lists (especially of the SFTS and EFTS and relief fields) into a table rather than a list.
• Do we really need the coordinates added to the sites, I believe we are trying to put too much information per line. This information could easily be added to the associated articles.

I am sure I will come up with some other ideas. Mech1949 (talk) 18:03, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Aerodrome Name	Province	Type	School	Primary Station
Airdrie	Alberta	R1	No. 3 SFTS	Calgary
Aliston	Ontario	R2	No. 1 SFTS	Camp Borden
Blackfalds	Alberta	R2	No. 36 SFTS	Penhold
Boharm	Saskatchewan	R1	No. 33 EFTS	Caron
Burtch	Ontario	R1	No. 5 SFTS	Brantford and principal field for No. 4 Wireless School Guelph.
Butress	Saskatchewan	R1	No. 32 SFTS	Moose Jaw
Carp	Ontario	R1	No. 2 SFTS	Ottawa
Cayuga	Ontario	R1	No. 16 SFTS	Hagersville
Champion	Alberta	R2	No. 19 SFTS	Vulcan
Chandler	Saskatchewan	Relief	No. 38 SFTS	Estevan
Chater	Manitoba	R1	No. 12 SFTS	Brandon
Douglas	Manitoba	R2	No.12 SFTS	Brandon
Chicoutimi	Quebec	R1	No. 1 OTU	Bagotville
Dufferin	Ontario	Relief	No. 16 SFTS	Hagersville
Eden	Manitoba	R1	No. 35 EFTS	Neepawa
Edenvale	Ontario	R1	No. 1 SFTS	Camp Borden
Edwards	Ontario	Relief	No. 2 SFTS	Ottawa
Elgin	Manitoba	R2	No. 17 SFTS	Souris
Ensign	Alberta	R1	No. 19 SFTS	Vulcan
Farnham	Quebec	R2	No. 13 SFTS	St. Hubert
Frank Lake	Alberta	Relief	No. 5 EFTS	High River
Gananoque	Ontario	R1	No. 31 SFTS	Kingston
Grand Bend	Ontario	R1	No. 9 SFTS	Centralia
Goderich South	Ontario	Relief	No. 12 EFTS	Goderich
Gladys	Alberta	R2	No. 31 EFTS	DeWinton
Granum	Alberta	R1	No. 7 SFTS	Fort MacLeod
Halbrite	Saskatchewan	R1	No. 41 SFTS	Weyburn
Hamlin	Saskatchewan	R1	No. 35 SFTS	North Battleford
Hartney	Manitoba	R1	No. 17 SFTS	Souris

• Hawkesbury, Ontario — Relief for No. 13 EFTS St. Eugene 45°36′33″N 074°35′42″W
• Holsom, Alberta — Relief for No. 34 SFTS Medicine Hat50°01′40″N 110°51′30″W
• Innisfail, Alberta — R1 for No. 36 SFTS Penhold 52°04′43″N 114°01′39″W
• Inverlake, Alberta — R2 for No. 3 SFTS Calgary51°02′28″N 113°37′50″W
• Langley, British Columbia — Relief for No. 18 EFTS Boundary Bay
• Limoges, Ontario — Relief for No. 10 EFTS Pendleton 45°23′50″N 075°15′48″W
• Maitland, Nova Scotia — Relief for No. 31 OTU Debert 45°19′41″N 063°31′42″W
• Maurice, Quebec — Relief for No. 11 EFTS Cap-de-la-Madelaine 46°28′24″N 072°34′30″W
• Mount Pleasant, Prince Edward Island — R1 for No. 9 SFTS Summerside 46°36′00″N 064°00′00″W
• Netley, Manitoba — R1 for No. 18 SFTS Gimli 50°22′04″N 096°59′27″W
• Netook, Alberta — R1 for No. 32 EFTS Bowden 51°51′08″N 114°03′52″W
• North Junction, Manitoba — Relief for No. 10 SFTS Dauphin 51°12′41″N 100°04′55″W
• Oberon, Manitoba — R2 for No. 33 SFTS Carberry50°03′N 099°28′W
• Osler, Saskatchewan — R2 for No. 4 SFTS Saskatoon 52°22′N 106°31′W
• Outram, Saskatchewan — Relief for No. 38 SFTS Estevan49°07′47″N 103°15′54″W
• Petrel, Manitoba — R1 for No. 33 SFTS Carberry 49°58′00″N 099°21′00″W
• Pontiac, Quebec — Relief for No. 3 FIS Arnprior 45°29′07″N 076°15′53″W
• Pulteney, Alberta — R2 for No. 15 SFTS Claresholm
• Ralph, Saskatchewan — R2 for No. 41 SFTS Weyburn49°32′50″N 103°41′20″W
• Rhein, Saskatchewan — R2 for No. 11 SFTS Yorkton 51°18′00″N 102°09′30″W
• St. Aldwyn, Saskatchewan — R1 for No. 39 SFTS Swift Current. 50°23′25″N 107°45′30″W
• St. Honoré, Quebec — Relief for No. 1 OTU Bagotville 48°31′15″N 071°03′02″W
• St. Joseph, Ontario — Relief for No. 9 SFTS Centralia 43°25′25.7″N 081°41′18.6″W
• St. Thomas, Ontario — R1 for No. 14 SFTS Aylmer and No. 4 B&GS Fingal
• Salisbury, New Brunswick — R2 for No. 8 SFTS Moncton 46°02′54″N 065°04′00″W
• Sandhurst, Ontario — R2 for No. 31 SFTS Kingston 44°09′18″N 076°52′00″W
• Scoudouc, New Brunswick — R1 for No. 8 SFTS Moncton46°10′14″N 064°35′20″W
• Shepard, Alberta — R1 for No. 31 EFTS DeWinton50°56′31″N 113°58′03″W
• Sturdee, Saskatchewan — R1 for No. 11 SFTS Yorkton 51°11′19″N 102°22′05″W
• Tillsonburg, Ontario — R2 for No. 14 SFTS Aylmer
• Valley River, Manitoba — Relief for No. 10 SFTS Dauphin51°13′41″N 100°13′00″W
• Vanscoy, Saskatchewan — R1 for No. 4 SFTS Saskatoon. 52°01′00″N 107°02′00″W
• Waterville, Nova Scotia — Relief for No. 8 OTU Greenwood 45°03′07″N 064°39′06″W
• Welland, Ontario — R1 for No. 6 SFTS Dunnville
• Wellington, Prince Edward Island — Relief for No. 1 GRS Summerside 46°28′30″N 064°01′00″W
• Whitby, Ontario — Relief for No. 20 EFTS Oshawa 43°51′25″N 078°54′37″W
• Whitla, Alberta — Relief for No. 34 SFTS Medicine Hat49°59′15″N 111°01′40″W
• Willoughby, Ontario — Relief for No. 9 EFTS St. Catharines 43°00′00″N 079°04′30″W
• Woodhouse, Alberta — R1 No. 15 SFTS Claresholm49°59′24″N 113°26′51″W

Site of RCAF Cayuga, relief landing field built in 1941-1942. (2018)

H-Hut at RCAF Cayuga, abandoned relief airfield. R1 for No. 16 SFTS Hagersville. (2014)

Building Plan for RCAF North Junction, R1 for No. 10 SFTS Dauphin.(1941)

Sample of reformatted list vice old formatting, what is everyone's thought? Mech1949 (talk) 20:05, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

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