Talk:List of Dragon Ball Z Kai episodes

Season 5: Buu Saga

Does anybody have any idea when the 5th Season of Dragon Ball Z Kai, the Buu Saga, is going to air in America? If yes, please add a link here. Thanks. LightandDark2000 (talk) 03:04, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

International Vs. The Japanese Version of the Buu Arc

Hey guys, I thought I'd bring this up, as we are going to be coming across some complications probably over the next couple of months, that need to be resolved.

First off, let me start of by saying this: We are probably going to need to make two separate episode lists because it has been confirmed that the Buu Arc that is airing in Japanese and the one that will be airing Internationally, will be entirely two different versions. The International cut is reported to be longer (69), while the Japanese airing will be shorter (not confirmed, but Nozawa apparently threw out the number around 49 episodes).

A list of sources are here:

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=794728#p794728 http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=27510

So far, only Korea has started airing it, but Chinese, European, and Latin American broadcasts have been confirmed to happen soon.

Both threads contain a number of resources that would help identify the differences between the two, though we still are limited in what is available, information wise. Opening and Endings have been confirmed to be different, done by different singer all together, plus the episode titles so far do not match with the Japanese titles, except the very first one.

The problem we face here is we will have two sets of Japanese titles, plus the chance that the American version will not be based off the Japanese airing cut, given reports of voice actors from FUNimation starting to record the series back early last year. Thus, listing an American air date, might not be possible for the Japanese cut, so we would need to separate these regardless.

Given the fact Japan is continuing to use "Dragon Ball Kai", while Internationally is using "Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters", it might even be best to treat it as an entirely separate thing all together, perhaps even it's own Episode List page, rather than under there.

I don't know, we need to address, as soon as possible. Any one have any ideas how this should be handled? Mendinso (talk) 11:47, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

First off, the English Dub will dub the episodes exactly the same way as they have done so before. They will base the episodes off of the Japanese release, but they will still use English Dubbed names and etc. Also, we follow the English Dubbed order, so there will be no article splits or renamings, since Dragon Ball Z Kai's fifth season is still part of the main show. Also, it's been confirmed that the English Dubbed version will begin airing in fall 2014 (probably in America as well), but other than that, we have no official confirmation for anything else regarding the episodes themselves. Additionally. There is only 1 Japanese title listed per episode (not including the various translations that go withrough them), so I don't really get how there are 2 different sets of episode titles. In conclusion, what we need to do here is wait for the English Dubbed episodes to begin airing this fall instead of coming to the wrong conclusions and making rash decisions. The truth is, we shouldn't implement any changes at all. We need to wait for the English Dub bed episodes to be released before adding any more information on them (unless their websites release some information early). LightandDark2000 (talk) 20:42, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

And if it's true that the English Dubbed version will include more episodes, then just add them in (after we get their titles, of course). And in this event, the Japanese titles would be translated directly from the English Dubbed titles, unless the additional episodes also include the Japanese titles. LightandDark2000 (talk) 20:53, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Also, 69 episodes means that there will be a total of 6 seasons. As such, I'm renaming Season 5 to Majin Buu Saga, because Season 6 will obviously revolve around Kid Buu. And FYI, you can't use forums or blogs as reliable sources for anything we add to Wikipedia. LightandDark2000 (talk) 20:59, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Oh, and if any episodes don't air in Japan, we'll just plunk in "N/A" for the Japanese airdates. LightandDark2000 (talk) 21:08, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Clearly you haven't read the threads to understand what is going on. There are two different versions being produced, one for the international market and one for the Japanese market. They had already recorded these episodes back in 2012 (and probably into 2013), and we recently confirmed with the Korean broadcast that the episode titles and what they correspond is different, also the manner in the episodes are cut is also different. For example, Japanese Episode 100 seems to correspond with International Episode 100 and 101. This isn't a simple we can "Plug" in the titles, as the Japanese on air titles will be different than the Japanese International titles. They're essentially two different cuts of the series. Once we start getting in the episodes that air overseas with the Japanese audio, which some European broadcast do with Dragon Ball Kai, we will have access to two different titles of the original Japanese names, plus whenever other territories release it on DVD that include the Japanese audio track. Applying these to the list will only make is messier. Further more, the Japanese translations won't be based off the English titles, as Toei originally produced these episodes in JApanese, only to further cut them down for the Japanese broadcast, so there should exist the titles with the original Japanese names in existence, especially once we start getting airings overseas and for the video releases.

Another thing, the Dub will NOT air in the Fall of this year. Demarco on his AMA page confirmed they are starting from the beginning, from episode 1. So not sure where you got your information about us getting it this Fall. I had to correct the Episode list, because of that.

Further more, we can not disregard the titles printed on TV Guides that are produced online for Dragon Ball Kai's Korean broadcast, which are different than the Japanese broadcast titles. Mendinso (talk) 00:05, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

It hasn't been confirmed anywhere that the Buu Saga will be airing in the US this fall. It is no longer airing on Nicktoons, the Vortexx block will be ending this September, and Adult Swim, the only network that will be airing it this fall, has stated they will be starting over from episode 1 of season 1. Any statements that it will air this fall in the US are entirely speculation. Gibshamari (talk) 00:21, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

After the English Dubbed episodes begin to broadcast, then we will make changes to the episode listing as necessary. When time comes, we will use the (English) international version as the default, and translate the titles into Japanese as necessary. And even if Vortexx ends, Dragon Ball Z Kai will most likely continue to air. By the way, do you have any proof that Vortexx is ending this September? Even if Vortexx is termimated this September, Saban will most likely replace it with another cartoon block. LightandDark2000 (talk) 06:53, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it's all laid out and confirmed by Saban themselves here:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-06-02/the-cw-to-air-live-action-shows-in-vortexx-current-saturday-morning-slots/.75076

Vortexx is being replaced by an E/I block run by Litton Entertainment. Dragon Ball Z Kai does not fall under E/I guidelines, so it will have no reason to continue running, and Saban will have no involvement with this new block, nor do they have plans to make a new block of their own. Dragon Ball Z Kai will only be airing on Toonami, where it'll be starting from the very first episode. Gibshamari (talk) 16:35, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

What???!!!! I can't believe it! I sure hope that they air some good shows, or else I won't be very happy when that time comes. We've already got confirmation that the English dubbed version is close to being completed, so it should only be a matter of time. LightandDark2000 (talk) 21:14, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

We need to resolve how we're going to handle the "The Final Chapters" episode list.

I had made an attempt earlier to resolve this as early as possible (see above discussion), but unfortunately was met with push back. However, now that it's confirmed without a doubt (plus clips show footage of FUNimation clearly using the International cut), we definitely need to resolve this as soon as possible.

Now, the issue is as follows: Japan has never aired this variation of the show, as is cut down from the International cut's 69 episode run of Final Chapters. What this means is we're going to have to resolve how the Episode titles are handled in this section as a result. Basically, thanks to the Catalan airing, it seems we have all the missing episode titles that do not match up with the Japanese broadcast, so we wouldn't just have to rely on the audio presented on the French box sets as a result.

Either way, we need to figure out how to approach this. Some episodes are merged. Episode 1, for instance, has footage of Episode 2 on the Japanese cut, because the episode ends a lot sooner, due to the longer recap on the International cut, so there's really no clean way we might be able to implement this (I'm kinda glad the original planned 49 episodes of the Japanese cut didn't go through, otherwise this would've been a lot more messier) .

I don't know, anyone have any proposal how we should handle this? Mendinso (talk) 17:49, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Just noticed this today. Watching the last five episodes, and the last episode of the Funimation dub contains footage described at the end of the second to last episode (Pan's fight starts out the last episode of the Funimation dub). This is very confusing, and needs a resolution.24.47.204.97 (talk) 22:23, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Seems that the changes to the title list have caused a bit confusion with the footnote made about the episodes Japan did not broadcast in that way... the note (2) claims that there are 8 episodes missing from "the Boo arc" but in the table 7 of the (N/A) comments are to be found in the World Tournament Season and only one in "Evil Boo". Can anybody say how it is really supposed to be/ what is correct? --176.199.184.48 (talk) 20:40, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

The note means that a total of 8 episodes are missing from the Japanese Dub's version of Seasons 5–7. I can go back and clarify it, if I find it. LightandDark2000 (talk) 04:38, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Season vs. Saga

Hello. An IP, 191.249.119.81 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), has been repeatedly changing the "seasons" to "sagas" and ignores the hidden comment regarding The Final Chapters. However, Funimation has used the season terminology and I propose we change it back to the way it was earlier with the Japanese airdates. In accordance with WP:3RR and the edit war policy, I'm opening up a discussion on this situation. Thoughts? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 05:59, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

I would say keep the original division (by seasons). This is the way the episodes were originally divided by both Funanimation and the DVD marketers, and we should keep this formatting as well. Any further changes that deviate from the previous formatting style pretty much constitute personal bias, and we should not tailor the article to suit one person's preference over the official episode divisions. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 06:07, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

In Japan, Dragon Ball Z Kai was aired year-round continuously, without seasonal breaks (with the exception of The Final Chapters). The "sagas" divide the series by story arc according to Toei Animation's promotional material, and do not reflect the pattern in which the series was broadcast or produced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 191.249.119.81 (talk • contribs)

That doesn't mean that we should keep the last 2-3 seasons together. Japanese seasons are often longer than English Dub ones - even if they aren't, Japanese TV stations tend to keep airing entire seasons year-round without breaks (with a few exceptions). We cannot change the formatting or episode divisions just because of some differences in how the episodes aired. By the way, on the English Wikipedia, we refer to the English Dub for our formatting and names, which means that we will use the English Dub numbering for the episodes. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 06:15, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Also, the seasons may have "Saga" in their names, but that doesn't mean that we are going to divide them that way. There are around 9-10 sagas in Dragon Ball Z Kai, under 7 seasons. It's easier (and more convenient) to use the season formatting, as we have done on pretty much every other episode list article. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 06:18, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Season seems the best option. I guess, dividing by sagas would be difficult due to Japan not having a clear a division of how the sagas are arranged. I think it's actually more of people would rearrange by their selves rather than the staff. At least that's how I divided List of D.Gray-man episodes.Tintor2 (talk) 14:56, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

7 Seasons?

What's the 7-season division (and Saga names) based on? The series aired as two runs in Japanese and English, and the list doesn't follow the home video releases either. The only official arc names as can see here are the Japanese home video releases diving the series into three. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LostTL (talk • contribs) 13:34, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Edit

Hello if I edit this page not the whole thing or half just a quarter or a lil bit pls don't delete I need your permission Rahulsaiyan (talk) 21:18, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Title name

Hello there. Why is this Wikipedia article known as such and not "Dragon Ball Z Kai"? If this article talks about the series itself, it should be called just and only "Dragon Ball Z Kai". Thanks.

This is because the article focuses mainly on just the episodes and not the TV show as a whole, unlike Dragon Ball Z. However, it wouldn't take much to convert this article into a TV series article, and should that happen, the article will be renamed accordingly. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 04:00, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

I would say it would probably be better to split Kai from the Dragon Ball Z article to be more in-line with other animanga articles. Link20XX (talk) 04:06, 25 June 2021 (UTC)