Talk:List of Dragon Ball Z Kai episodes/Archive 2

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Releases Section

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Please take all further discussion to Talk:List_of_Dragon_Ball_soundtracks. Thanks. –turian^talk 19:11, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

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Someone keeps on deleting the "Releases" section I've made so many times. I'm being accused of vandalizing the page, but this information on the soundtrack and home releases needs to be written. Now the page is locked and all it says is "DVD compilations will..." People need to know that the series was remastered in 4:3, so your little sentence on the releases is "reduntant." Unlock the page, I've done nothing wrong. I run my own Dragon Ball fan site, so I know I'm not vandalizing. User:DBZfan29 12:24, 05 August 2009 (EDT)

Maybe you should quit trying to readd it then and actually, oh I don't know, DISCUSS something or ASK why it keeps getting removed. The relevant information is already in the lead and it does NOT need to be repeated. No, people do not need to know it was remastered, it is common and irrelevant. The page will not be unlocked so long as you continue to edit war, refuse to follow consensus, and continue acting in a disruptive manner. Your running your own fan site means nothing except it shows you are far from neutral about the topic and are likely only attempting to use Wikipedia as a personal web host rather than editing out any real desire to be a valid contributor.-- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 16:40, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

The article does not include information about the soundtrack at all, and one of the main points of the show is the remastering (making it "relevant"). Also, why do you keep on deleting my work there, too? What about "Dragon Soul" and "Yeah! Break! Care! Break!" That was me, too. It seems that you are only after my work. I OWN the CD singles so my information would be relevant. "CHA-LA HEAD-CHA-LA" has a page, so why can't they? Sorry to get off topic, but it does seem like you are following me on Wikipedia! I am a big Dragon Ball fan, once again have my own site (which means I don't need Wikipedia as a web host), and am writing legitimate facts. Sorry about calling you an "idiot" earlier I just hate that all my hard work that I have done on some pages keeps on getting deleted by you. User:DBZfan29 13:10, 05 August 2009 (EDT)

Keep in mind things need to comply with WP:N. Also, read over WP:OWN. Just because you start them doesn't mean you own the articles. –turian^talk 17:13, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't think I own the articles. I just great contributed to them and my legitimate work is getting deleted by the user "AnmaFinotera." If you say that to me, then say that to her. She does not own any of the pages, either yet she puts a lock on this page, deletes my discussion topic, as well as many of my other page edits. I do not vandalize, and she's going to get me blocked from editing when I did nothing wrong. I'm not an expert at Wikipedia (which is why I'm going to read the above articles), but I know enough not to vandalize it. User:DBZfan29 13:17, 05 August 2009 (EDT)

Then learn consensus. Be the bigger person and stop reverting edits and take it to the talk page. Wikipedia will be here tomorrow, so there is time. Also, it isn't a good idea to remove tags placed on articles. If you feel they shouldn't be there, then suggest on the talk page that they should be removed if added again. They way you handled edits seems to be disruptive. Just be a little bit more careful when your edits conflict with someone elses. –turian^talk 17:20, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I thought the tags were just suggestions so I tried to follow them. I added references, then thought the tag should get deleted. I will walk away and stick to updating my own site (which has no other editors - thank goodness!) where I won't have my legitimate work deleted unless I want it to. Once again, thanks for the advice - and please put the first message above into consideration. This had nothing to do with edit warring, I just REALLY wanted to add the release information. User:DBZfan29 13:28, 05 August 2009 (EDT)

You don't have to leave Wikipedia. We enjoy your edits and have been doing great work. It is just that sometimes you get people to disagree with you ;) I am still thinking about whether or not the articles should be withheld; it will take a little bit more research for me to decide. Also, keep in mind that just because you have the CDs, doesn't mean that they don't need to be cited. Basically everything needs to have one form of citation or another. Good luck! –turian^talk 17:36, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

One more thing: Last sentence on article says "the series will also be ANNOUNCED to Blu-ray in season box sets." I think it's an error, might be wrong. Also, they really aren't seasons, they are really just combinations of 12 episodes (like first set includes episodes 4-15, when Saiyan arc doesn't end until 16). User:DBZfan29 13:40, 05 August 2009 (EDT)

Feel free to edit. Take WP:BB into consideration. If there is a dispute, just take it to a talk page. –turian^talk 17:43, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but I can't. Page has been locked by "AnmaFinotera." I would be able to if I hadn't (unknowingly) started an edit war. I guess the person with a high Wikipedia status takes the cake... User:DBZfan29 13:51, 05 August 2009 (EDT)

AnmaFinotera is not an admin, and is unable to protect ("lock") pages. The page was protected by Tedder. Also, no talk pages have been protected. Please stop accusing people of favoritism without knowing exactly what you are talking about. Tan | 39 18:22, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

If you feel the page should now be unprotected, please make a request at RFPP here. Momo san ^Gespräch 17:58, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

The article does not have information about the soundtrack because it doesn't belong here. This is an episode list, not a series article. Soundtracks are covered in the *gasp* list of soundtracks! The remastering of the original episodes is already noted in the lead and does not need repeating. A releases section is also unnecessary, the relevant info is already summarized in the lead. No releases have even been done yet. You have a mistaken idea that because something exists it should have an article and that every tidbit of information belongs here, when it does not. This is an encyclopedia, not your fansite. If you want to write from a fan perspective, I suggest going to the DB Wikia. If you actually want to be a good contributer here, I suggest reading the many guidelines and policies that have been pointed out to you repeatedly, starting with WP:3RR, WP:OWN, WP:N, and WP:CIVIL. I also remind you that "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed for profit by others, do not submit it." No matter how much "hard work" you feel you put into something, that does not mean you can demand it stay there or have any control over it after you have submitted it. And just because you think it is a great contribution does not make it so. Others can, and will, correct errors and inappropriate content. And, FYI, no one removed your comment once you stopped calling people idiots, it was moved to the bottom of the page with a reply. All new topics go to the bottom of talk pages, not the top. It would help if you actually LOOKED at what was done before blinding reverting. I've requested the page remain locked until you show better behavior on the other DB articles where you are acting in the same disruptive manner. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:21, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Merging with the soundtracks list is nonsensical. The article links to MAIN articles about the soundtracks. So, I do not see reason enough not to restore them. –turian^talk 18:25, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

How is merging an unnotable soundtrack with a list of soundtracks nonsensical? This has been a consensus approved method of dealing with these things for awhile now and how the anime/manga project frequently addresses articles like the Kai soundtrack that will never be anything other than a tracklist and a "yep, look it was released" statement. Same is often done with video games and are good articles. However, all of this is irrelevant to the issue here. Soundtrack information is not included in an episode list. Look at any featured episode list and the episode list guidelines. Soundtrack information is covered in the soundtrack list and, where relevant, the main article. This is not a main article. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I do not see why the soundtracks cannot be their own article. Every single article in List_of_Dragon_Ball_soundtracks sans five of them has their own page. They should be left as their own article and stubbed if there is more information on them. –turian^talk 18:34, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Because they are not notable. There is no more information on them and they fail every relevant Wikipedia notability guide. Hence the reason for a merge discussion. Again, however, that has nothing at all to do with the topic here. Whether the soundtrack has its own article or not, they are still not listed in the episode lists. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:39, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Was joking about favoritism. I just noted that my request was declined and hers was accepted. I think the lock should be removed because I have not been disruptive since the incident on any other DB page. Remember, like I was told, you are not the only one editing. Your lock prevents everyone else, too, not just me. I think I just made myself a point! One more thing, I keep saying I'm going to shut up but this is all just fun to me - replying to people's comments! User: DBZfan29 too tired to list date... —Preceding undated comment added 18:45, 5 August 2009 (UTC).

AnmaFinotera, please provide reason as to why the articles should be merged. If not, I will go ahead and restore them without the redirect. I still see no reason as to why they should not be (when all of the others have been). And yes, I know this isn't the article about the soundtracks. Feel free to move it if you would like. –turian^talk 18:50, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Turian, do you mind not marking your comments as minor? Asking another editor to provide a reason, and stating you will take action otherwise, is certainly not minor. Thanks! Tan | 39 18:51, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me, but I HAVE provided reason. They completely fail notability guidelines, and per WP:MUSIC, merging with the list is the appropriate way of dealing with them. I will ask you not to summarily decide to undo months if not a year of clean up effort in the DB articles if you do not even seem to understand WHY they were redirected or what the whole picture is. Just because the others still exist is not a valid reason to continue the trend. A merge discussion for the rest has already been started. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:57, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. If its been done before, we should just continue the trend. By combining the whole list, we'll never know what the covers look like and the what the track-listing is. If you were to do this, why not just link the Daizenshuu EX music database as the list instead of having that as a page, too. Same goes with "Dragon Soul" and YBCB. Every other single is up - and let's just take this to the soundtrack page. Isn't this what you've been getting at before? THIS IS NOT THE SOUNDTRACK PAGE! User:DBZfan29 15:05, 05 August 2009

Can we delete this whole section now and start a new one!? I'm getting dizzy because of so many words and indentations! User:DBZfan29 15:00, 05 August 2009

Delete? No. Start a new one? Only if there is a new topic to be discussed. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 19:03, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Please continue the discussion at Talk:List_of_Dragon_Ball_soundtracks. Thanks. –turian^talk 19:11, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.