Talk:List of European countries by average wage/Archive 3

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Median salaries

I'm considering to add a table of median (rather than arithmetic mean) incomes as well. Would it fit in this article, or should I create a new one? I believe it belongs here, as median is a type of average as well. Rouen DS (talk) 12:16, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

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Using 2021 PPP rates com 2022 data seems completely useless

As 2022 inflation rates are skyrocketing, using 2021 PPP multipliers on 2022 data makes comparisons impossible.

I propose that until 2022 PPP rates are available, any PPP driven info to be limited to 2021 data.Tafinho (talk) 12:35, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 July 2022

Change Spanish Gross average monthly salary from 2,648 euro to 2,007 euro (from labor cost to wage cost). Currently, the provided salary is labor cost (not wage cost / gross salary), which is inconsistent with other countries. E.g. Germany and Poland include in their data wage cost / gross salary. Then net average salary should be updated as well.

Reference: https://www.ine.es/dyngs/INEbase/en/operacion.htm?c=Estadistica_C&cid=1254736045053&menu=ultiDatos&idp=1254735976596 Ma0pla (talk) 11:37, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: The data you provided is the latest average gross wage, while the article uses data from 1998~2018. Aaron Liu (talk) 14:09, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Following [99] which is a reference to the average gross salary for Spain provided in the article, I see that your data are still wrong. We could calculate the average gross salary for 2019 as you suggest.

For the latest provided data in [99], ie. 2019, the average gross salary for Spain is 21682,02 euro/year, i.e. 1806.83 euro/month gross for women and 26934,38 euro/year, i.e. 2244.53 euro/month gross for men. https://www.ine.es/jaxiT3/Datos.htm?t=10882

Change the Spanish gross average monthly salary from 2,350 euro to 2,007 euro (data for 2022, latest) or 2,350 euro to (1806.83+2244.53)/2 = 2025.68 euro (mean over genders) (data for 2019, based on the current reference in the article [99]). Then the average net salary should be updated as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ma0pla (talk • contribs) 05:48, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: You have misunderstood the article. Data from 2019 does not represent data from 1998~2018. Also, Wikipedia is not mine. Aaron Liu (talk) 12:48, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

No numbers and statistics from the reference [99] for the gross average salary do give you 2,350 euro (or even 2,648 euro, as it was before). Even if you include only men salaries (and ignore women) or choose maximum salaries from 1998-2019. It is impossible to provide such a high gross salary for Spain based on these data. And I think you do not understand these data (for Germany or Poland there are provided the gross salaries), so please give a chance to correct the article by a person that understands the problem I have pointed out. There are plenty of references that the gross salary for Spain is around 2000 euro, e.g. https://www.enterat.com/actualidad/salario-medio-espana.php

The reason for the disproportion is probably a lower number of working hours per week. Spanish people work on average about 36h per week, while 2,350 euros probably refers to 40h. But taking into account full-time job only, for Germany there should be reported 4160*(40/35)=4754 euros in the article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ma0pla (talk • contribs) 17:38, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

 Done Aaron Liu (talk) 13:59, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

also, you should be autoconfirmed by now. Aaron Liu (talk) 14:00, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Hungarian flag

Hungarian flag is wrong (it displays Sweden flag) 94.247.88.95 (talk) 11:48, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Romania data

It is absolutely a shame that on the average income per month, again Romania is not present, even if it is the biggest country in East Europe, UE block, but smaller like North Macedonia or Georgia are on the list. No excuses for the person who made the list. Shame 94.247.88.95 (talk) 11:51, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 August 2022

Avarage gross salary in Armenia June 2022 is 235195.0 AMD (577 euro), exchange rate to Euro is 0.00245 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tigran007 (talk • contribs) 21:19, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

References

UK Data on salaries

Somebody keeps changing UK salary data to Average Weekly Earnings (EARN01 AWE) instead of Annual Survey of Hours and Earnings (EARN02 ASHE) which is incorrect. The article headline clearly states Average (mean) salaries for Full-Time employees. Sources for other countries such as Germany and Poland clearly say full-time employees.

EARN01 AWE (the previous source) very clearly states no distinction is made between part-time and full-time employees, zero hour contracts, informal employees etc.

The lower number of 611 a week (as of today) should not be used as it is an average across all employees, as opposed to the higher number of 728 per week (as of today) which is full-time employees only. RevolutionizeSeven (talk) 18:56, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Romanian data

Someone named AndrewMr2 updated the romanian tab and inflated the wage with 80 euros without providing a source. Real number is 820 euros instead of 902. Source: https://insse.ro/cms/en/content/earnings-1991-monthly-series Mascarpone1337 (talk) 20:12, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Moldovan data for Q2 2022

Please change Moldovan Wage for Q2 2022 from €508 (9767 MDL) to €536 (10376.2 MDL). And NET Wage from €345 (6638 MDL) to €429 (8309.26 MDL). according to the National Bureau of Statistics of the Republic of Moldova - https://statistica.gov.md/newsview.php?l=en&id=7523&idc=168 91.163.222.239 (talk) 14:48, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2022

https://www.czso.cz/csu/czso/prace_a_mzdy_prace 91.231.30.254 (talk) 18:43, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Nythar^T.C 00:46, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 September 2022

Romania's netto average wage is hardly 807 EUR, not 1000 EUR, please check the official data from the national bureau of statistics https://insse.ro/cms/en/content/earnings-1991-monthly-series 188.26.77.48 (talk) 07:25, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Already done. This has been reverted (related to the section below). Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 21:44, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Follow-up to romanian data

@AndrewMr2 did it dirty again. He just pulled out another 100 euros increase in the romanian, hungarian and slovakian average wage tab. Can nothing be done to stop this guy from further discrediting this page? Mascarpone1337 (talk) 11:49, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

This asshole must be russian. It is doing his best to not update the Moldovan data. 91.163.222.239 (talk) 18:59, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Don't worry about him, he's banned. Mascarpone1337 (talk) 15:42, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Cool. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.163.222.239 (talk) 14:38, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 November 2022

Kindly update the data for Bulgaria, as follows (link to Statistical Office's press release - https://www.nsi.bg/sites/default/files/files/pressreleases/EmplsSalary2022q3_en_0TCS7YP.pdf):

Gross BGN from 1,730 to 1,787 (Sept 2022) Net BGN from 1,342 to 1,387 (as linked: http://www.calculator.bg/1/zaplata_bruto_neto.html#pog) Date Q2 to 2022-09 Gross € from €885 to €914 (conversion rate stays the same, BGN 1 = €0.5113) Net € from €686 to €709 Nep PPP in Int$ from $1,863 (this has not been updated for a while, the conversion rate is 0.720) to $1,926

Kindly make the same updates to the tables. Thank you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.10.148.99 (talk) 14:55, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Albania data for Q2 2022

Please change Albania's Gross Wage for Q2 2022 from €465 (56,710LEK) to €520 (60,666LEK). And NET Wage from €384 (46,887LEK) to €483 (56,680LEK). According to Instat.al http://www.instat.gov.al/media/10484/wage-statistics-q2-2022.pdf and tatime.gov.al https://www.tatime.gov.al/c/4/96/108/tatimi-mbi-te-ardhurat-personale 188.164.221.18 (talk) 19:07, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Dispute, serbian average net salary is not €727

I don't know how the editor came up with that number, even his reference says differently. The latest publication from the Serbian national agency for statistics (10 days ago) says that the average salary for October was 75353 RSD, which is €642.07 https://publikacije.stat.gov.rs/G2022/HTML/G20221353.html Dedaloodak (talk) 03:59, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Serbian average salaty

Last published serbian neto average salary was for october 2022 and weighted 75 353 din or 641eur. 86.33.80.45 (talk) 12:50, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 January 2023

The "average monthly wage" data for Serbia is incorrect, both in terms of net wage and gross wage. According to today's Statistical Office announcement, the average gross wage in November in Serbia was 108001 RSD (920 EUR) and in net terms (after taxes and social contributions) it was 78326 RSD (667 EUR). Anthol (talk) 13:38, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

@Anthol:  Done, but I've used the cited euro conversion rate instead of the conversions you provided. I would also appreciate it if you could double check my PPP conversion for the net monthly wage, 1,848. small jars tc 17:44, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Net salary data for Serbia as of Q4-2022

The 'Net average monthly salary' lists a value of 727 euro for Serbia, whereas the table beneath lists a value of 665 euro. They can't both be right -- I'd allow the table to take precedence as the number there has a source. Toucanmax (talk) 21:06, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Belgian net salary is wrong

The belgian net wage is wrong. 3832 brut results in net 2449 eur net in case of a single and 2437 eur net in case of a married person. Please correct this. https://www.jobat.be/nl/art/hoeveel-blijft-er-van-mijn-brutoloon-netto-over — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A03F:8CFD:8700:C8B5:7C05:CAB7:621F (talk) 15:55, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 February 2023

The data of "Net average monthly salary (adjusted for living costs in PPP)" for Denmark don't match in the table and the corresponding figure. The value in the table should be correct as by the given source. 2A02:908:E845:3C60:181C:9E71:AF6B:D12C (talk) 08:42, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

 Done GiovanniSidwell (talk) 23:33, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2023

North Macedonia - Very old data. New data: 34.500 MKD = 550 EUR https://centar.mk/blog/2023/02/22/silen-rast-na-prosechnata-plata-dostigna-34-364-denari/ 62.162.52.66 (talk) 13:46, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

 Partly done: updated per original official source (which is slightly different from the number you cite) GiovanniSidwell (talk) 23:33, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Average salary in Slovakia - new data

There is new data for Slovakia - https://slovak.statistics.sk/wps/portal/ext/products/informationmessages/inf_sprava_detail/!ut/p/z1/jdDLCoMwEAXQb_ELcjX10eVEMKYNQmrjI5viSoTWdlH6_RWhy0ZnN3DuZRjmWMfcPHymcXhPz3m4L3vvkptJVSZESIDQHOp0rqsyLyJpY9auIJdUHlINZFrGUFTay9FwDuLM7cnjzxD25T3A-etb5lZCxphaNw1kExVQPJSorF36kg1w_QHfD7aueD2s7TCpkYLgCz0mXzw!/dz/d5/L2dBISEvZ0FBIS9nQSEh/

Brutto salary for Q4 is 1418, salary for the whole 2022 year is 1304 eur. Using brutto-netto calculator (https://www.podnikajte.sk/vypocet-cistej-mzdy) one gets sums 1072 (Q4) and 992 (whole year). Using PPP-calculations from IMF (https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WEO/weo-database/2022/October/weo-report?c=914,911,122,912,913,124,963,918,960,423,935,128,939,172,132,915,134,174,944,176,136,916,941,946,137,181,921,943,138,962,142,964,182,968,922,942,936,961,184,144,146,186,926,112,&s=PPPEX,&sy=2021&ey=2023&ssm=0&scsm=1&scc=0&ssd=1&ssc=0&sic=0&sort=country&ds=.&br=1) the PPP-sums using their 2023 PPP (0.536) are 2000 (Q4) and 1850 (whole year). If one uses 2022 PPP (0.504), one gets 2146 (Q4) and 1968 (whole year).

Please update the tables and maps accordingly. 147.161.234.123 (talk) 09:19, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Average wage in Turkey

How can the average wage in Turkey be €303, whereas the minimum wage is €430?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:43, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

I was also looking at that as well, it seems source of data is https://tr.talent.com/en/tax-calculator?salary=11613&from=month&region=Turkey, I am not familiar with the website, but it seems according to them average pay in Turkey it is quite low, I say it's time for revolution in Turkey or data according to that website is wrong. How can you live on 11300 Turkish lira in Istanbul is beyond me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.78.116.26 (talk) 18:58, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Average salary in Serbia - wrong

According to the newest data of the Serbian statistical office, in December 2022 the average NET salary in Serbia is 84227 RSD (717 EUR) and the average GROSS salary is 115315 RSD (983 EUR). In purchasing power values, the NET salary would be 1.874 (according to the IMF purchasing power exchange rate, which is 44,94 for Serbia). Please fix this so that we can have a more realistic picture. Anthol (talk) 14:17, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Feel free to directly make the change, as long as you include the appropriate citation ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 23:11, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Actually data for Serbia is from its national statistics office. And average pay is €642 net, https://publikacije.stat.gov.rs/G2022/HTML/G20221353.html , naturally if this individual knows better than the national statistics office and government of Serbia, be my guest. IMF data are estimates and never accurate, they tend to be accurate with in 10% margin. EU Stats which publishes data for almost all of Europe is far more accurate and relevant here. IMF data normally has mid-year correction in May and year end estimates, year end estimates often gives more rosier economic assessment. 81.78.116.26 (talk) 19:04, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Median salary in Serbia is wrong

According to https://publikacije.stat.gov.rs/G2023/HTML/G20231046.html, median salary in Serbia is 60413 RSD, not 78326 as written in the table. It's about 515 eur. 147.161.234.123 (talk) 09:26, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, Serbia data is bit strange. https://publikacije.stat.gov.rs/G2022/HTML/G20221353.html - according to their own statistics office, average NET pay in October in Serbia is 73.650 dinars or €627.5 and GROSS pay is 104.000 or €887.5 , Data published in Jan 2023, for October 2022. Wiki should try to keep data accurate as possible, also EU stats publishes good data sets on all European countries, should also be a source of comparison. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.78.116.26 (talk) 19:15, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2023

There's an error with average russian wage in rubles as well as exchange rate requires updating as it dropped from 0.012 to 0.011 since last edit. Average wage is listed as 88,468 rubles which is a very suspicious spike of 40% increase per month. January's average wage is back down to 63,260 rubles: https://i.imgur.com/H0w6K3m.png JorisLTU (talk) 07:08, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. An image hosted on imgur is not a reliable source. Actualcpscm (talk) 09:12, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

The source is the one that's already listed as the source for those figures. Specifically https://rosstat.gov.ru/storage/mediabank/tab1_zpl_01-2023.xlsx

Already updated with latest data, cheers.

P.S. the screenshot provided is that same data graphed. JorisLTU (talk) 22:15, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Moldovan data for Q4 2022

Please change Moldovan Wage for Q4 2022 from €553 (10,376 MDL) to €579 (11539.1 MDL). And NET Wage from €443 (8309 MDL) to €464 (9240,51 MDL). according to the National Bureau of Statistics of the Republic of Moldova - https://statistica.gov.md/en/statistic_indicator_details/2 (talk) 14:48, 3 September 2022 (UTC) 91.163.222.239 (talk) 07:47, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Can anyone update these data OR NOT? 77.159.236.130 (talk) 14:26, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

14 days and noone is updating data, is it normal? The data will become obsolete! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.158.155.130 (talk) 07:18, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Noone updated the topic, so I made the same for much more visibility.  Done

Moldovan wages for Q4 2022

Change the Moldovan Wage for Q4 2022 from €553 (10 376 MDL) to €579 (11539.1 MDL). NET Wage from €443 (8309 MDL) to €464 (9240,51 MDL). According to the National Bureau of Statistics of the Republic of Moldova - https://statistica.gov.md/en/statistic_indicator_details/2  Done Kornelius111982 (talk) 15:50, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Sweden data

Sweden data is based of wrong source. Its source for academic people in private sector, not the population on avrage. As one might figure, this number is consideraly higher than they one for the population at large.

The tax bracket is also wrong. It only ads the local tax while the nation tax is not included. This will effect the average (but not the median). Also it seams like the tax bracket is cherypicked. 77.107.39.235 (talk) 12:27, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Kazakhstan data

Please, update data for Kazakhstan. According to the Bureau of National Statistics the current gross average wage is 340'636KZT (~709 EUR) - [1]https://stat.gov.kz/en/industries/labor-and-income/stat-wags/. Caspkaas (talk) 03:25, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Conversion rate

I found there are incorrect conversion rates from Xe.com. For example the real conversion rate for Belarus is near 0.3 (https://www.belarus.by/en/travel/exchange-rates) 93.125.107.14 (talk) 11:02, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 July 2023

Nort Macedonia 598 EUR, June 2023 https://www.stat.gov.mk/PrikaziSoopstenie.aspx?rbrtxt=40 - Official report 62.162.52.66 (talk) 11:39, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Source stated "Average monthly net salary paid per employee, May 2023" instead of June 2023 and also doesn't mentions "598 EUR" hence failed verification. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 17:37, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Median wage

Old data for median wage for Croatia. Newest one is 970 €, and average wage 1133 €, May 2023. https://dzs.gov.hr/vijesti/prosjecna-neto-placa-u-svibnju-1-133-eura/1616 MystSky (talk) 13:10, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Finland Gross vs Net salary

Based on reference https://relocate.me/net-pay-calculators/finland has been used for calculating net salary in Finland based on gross wage. In the article 3315€ has been used as gross wage and 2035€ as net wage. Gross wage seems to be correct. However net wage is wrong. Based tax payer association (https://www.veronmaksajat.fi/tutkimus-ja-tilastot/tuloverot/palkansaajan-veroprosentit/#d6201a07) the actual tax percentage for this income bracket is about 26,0%. This includes income tax, municipal tax, church tax, broadcasting service tax, health "insurance", employee pension cost, unemployment "insurance"). Based on this data we get 3315*(1-0,26)=2453,1€ that is totally different than 2035€. So, if https://relocate.me/net-pay-calculators has been calculating all net wages there is risk that all data is wrong. 151.105.40.39 (talk) 06:32, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

The median wage is around €3300. The average wage, however, is €3734 a month. https://yle.fi/a/3-12647274 Syfes (talk) 11:51, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Net salary Belgium is wrong on the map

In the article the net salary is around 2450 euros net, which corresponds to the tax bracket. However the number on the map is wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.66.155.64 (talk) 15:41, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 August 2023

North Macedonia: 36000 MKD is 600 EUR not 560 (You can check on calculator). Please change this error asap. 62.162.52.66 (talk) 12:13, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: No idea where you got the 36000 from, but 34364 MKD is closer to 558 euros. M.Bitton (talk) 12:26, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Sweden average salary

The data for Sweden is wrong. The average salary of sweden is 37100sek/month. SCB Faja99 (talk) 21:03, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Czech Republic

Who is editing this website? Horrible! It is absolutely useless to watch the informations here. CZ salary is WRONG! lol 85.160.21.199 (talk) 05:49, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Moldovan wages

Who is diminishing moldovan wages? Acording to the National Bureau of Statistics of the Republic of Moldova. The Average monthly gross earning for Q2-2023 is 12 175,9 MDL, which represents 630 EUR. STOP changing these values. Kornelius111982 (talk) 10:42, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Slovakia average salary for 2023-Q2

Please update the average salary of Slovakia. In the Q2 of 2023 it was 1,419 EUR as brutto salary, which is 1,073 EUR net salary. Calculating the net PPP salary using the conversion rates of 2022 from OECD gives 1,073/0.539 = 1,991 EUR.

The average salary of Slovakia of 2023-Q2 can be found here - https://slovak.statistics.sk/wps/portal/ext/products/informationmessages/inf_sprava_detail/a82474d8-0b96-46ed-b6ce-988458cda543/!ut/p/z1/tVNNc5swFPwtOXAUekYCyb1hTwO4jqfYwR9cOoAVUG0-AirU_fWVk14y05j0UF0kzey-t_u0wjHe47hKepknStZVctb3Q-x8C1nAZ7OJCzBbEggWXzYrf35veZGNd28BfLX-DMGj-9VbL-gEqI3j2_wtjnGcVapRBT7UaZcUqDshWT2h5KQM0Ie6LbWavhKoa9qkvxjQd0Kd9J5wizJ65AjSqYOoI44odTKBppxTm2fHxKbkWr7J5BEfPoTejfm92oF3lgt_-HPP9SlbAvClZ0Pg-tF6GhICLhkbxyv_RoNRfvwCuaVgzMMrwA3DcLPcbsHbWvcQkIkHqyjSLZ0RwKODD9oFe1fmhOFdL8WAo-r6tme8-cdH8gEvxgahg2u1D_OHXFdOVHFNVI33HyqvqfL783Ps6mDWlRI_Fd7_j2RqDzItzSErTTAZZ0AY49SiU8cmLyrcKiVcG2jFk2hFa_5o9YcslGq6TwYYMAyDmdd1fhZmVpcG_I1S1J1W_xaJmzIqOblIiU5r_9dshbwdV_xCzvnd3W8EQ_XZ/dz/d5/L0lDUmlTUSEhL3dHa0FKRnNBLzROV3FpQSEhL2Vu/

There is a website for the calculation of a net salary from a brutto salary in Slovakia in 2023 - https://www.platy.sk/en/calculator — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.169.154.200 (talk) 16:14, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2023

Romania's PPP value should be higher. As of August 2023 the net wage was 4600 RON, and the most recent PPP coefficient from OECD is 1.779. 4600/1.779=~2585, not the current value, which I edited 4 years ago and is outdated. 109.100.15.244 (talk) 18:14, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Can you supply a source? PianoDan (talk) 21:13, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 11:39, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Update Polish figures because of changed exchange rate

• 1 USD = 3.97 PLN
• 1 EUR = 4.35 PLN

2A00:F41:1C04:D98F:7D88:DB4F:1C1E:524B (talk) 21:46, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Add back list of European countries by median wage

As it stands now the only lists are those of "average" or mean wages, which as the article acknowledges, are heavily right skewed. Median data is much more realistic in terms of describing what the typical person in each country actually earns.

Hopefully this wasn't deleted in an attempt to make all of these countries appear richer to the average person who may not understand the distinction between "average" and "median." 50.32.215.28 (talk) 16:27, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

This is an article about AVERAGE WAGES not MEDIAN, for MEDIAN WAGES another Wikipedia Page should be created weather it's more or less accurate. Average and Median are 2 distinct mathematical operations, thus the pages in Wikipedia should be distinct. Kornelius111982 (talk) 19:38, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 January 2024

1. change

€3,239

to

€2,932

. This correction is necessary because the net salary is inaccurately calculated here using tax class 3 (Steuerklasse 3), which is applicable only to married individuals, where one person can opt for tax class 3, leading to considerably lower taxes, while the other person is placed in tax class 5, resulting in higher tax deductions. The majority of individuals fall under tax class 1 (Steuerklasse 1), so a gross income of 4625EUR would yield a net income of 2932EUR (source: https://www.brutto-netto-rechner.info/). 2. change

€2,885

to

€3.277

. This adjustment is needed because the gross salary for Sweden (€4213) has been inaccurately calculated. Currently, 4213 EUR is equivalent to 46819 SEK. Upon recalculating the gross salary in Sweden to 46819 SEK, the resulting net income is 36432 SEK, which equals 3277 EUR. The correct calculation can be found here: https://rakna.net/berakna/lon-efter-skatt/.

I know this information is correct cause I have lived and worked in both countries. Thank you! Justasas (talk) 11:42, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 16:45, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Hungarian brut and net salary need to be updated

https://www.ksh.hu/gyorstajekoztatok#/en/document/ker2311

HUF 621,200 brut in november, which gives  HUF 427,700 net  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.139.19.143 (talk) 16:33, 13 February 2024 (UTC) 

Exchange rate

Due to the long-term decline in the exchange rate of the Czech koruna, the stated amounts are out of date (too high) in the Czech Republic. In Poland, on the other hand, the currency has been strengthening for a long time, when converted, Polish wages should be higher than shown in the maps and the overview table. Kuceras (talk) 00:11, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Information about median wage not found

There is text "Thus, the median figures provided further below might be more representative than averages.". But no such information is present on the page. 86.114.9.190 (talk) 13:29, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Turkey: using unreliable numbeo source and bogus conversion rates

22 February 2024

Edit in question

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage&diff=prev&oldid=1209555103&title=List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage&diffonly=1

Numbeo source

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Turkey

Claims average wage is 19,393.75TL that is 578,61 euro as of February 2024, yet editor has history of posting illusory values

There are plenty similar cases most probably 2A02:587:7246:A000:231:111F:5DC9:8AE8 (talk) 16:32, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

I have reverted Turkey's data to November of 2022 which is what's listed in the source. Edited exchange rate to mid November as well to have it more accurate given that it changed a lot since then and we don't have updated data on wages. In the same governmental site I only found average wage of entire 2023. JorisLTU (talk) 21:35, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

They have been reverting the changes back to the same bogus 2A02:1388:20F5:D518:2CCD:7C27:3A8D:E4B0 (talk) 02:40, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

1 euro is 33,64 TL as of 22 Feb 2024 2A02:1388:20F5:D518:2CCD:7C27:3A8D:E4B0 (talk) 02:42, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2024

I want to update Lithuania’s data based on the most recent publishing by Lithuanian Statistical Office (data for 2023 Q4). Gross wage: 2110.3 EUR Net wage: 1303.8 EUR

Source: Daniusas (talk) 10:52, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, I usually update it, will do :) JorisLTU (talk) 00:09, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2024

North Macedonia old data. There is new data, 650 EUR official statement https://www.stat.gov.mk/PrikaziSoopstenie.aspx?rbrtxt=40 185.83.252.88 (talk) 11:43, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Updated, thanks :) JorisLTU (talk) 00:34, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Belarusian wages

As of December 2023

Gross 644 euros (2,271 BYN) Net 554 euros Net adjusted for PPP 2,029 dollars 73.208.184.231 (talk) 17:48, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

December wages with Christmas/end of year bonuses are not representative as they increase sharply and then decrease sharply in January. These fluctuations are one of the reasons why quarterly salaries should be used instead. JorisLTU (talk) 00:44, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2024

North Macedonia new data: https://www.stat.gov.mk/PrikaziSoopstenie.aspx?rbrtxt=40 39 998 MKD (651 EUR) <https://www.stat.gov.mk/PrikaziSoopstenie.aspx?rbrtxt=40</> 185.83.252.88 (talk) 12:00, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

 Already done --TheImaCow (talk) 14:01, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Incorret Russian wages

As of December 2023

December wages with Christmas/end of year bonuses are not representative as they increase sharply and then decrease sharply in January. These fluctuations are one of the reasons why quarterly salaries should be used instead. Please correct the Russian wage to around 720€. Which are the real values of the situation in this country! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kornelius111982 (talk • contribs) 21:57, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

For example in Russia in September 2023 the average wage was 70922 RUB(700EUR), October 73830 RUB (720 EUR), November 73383 RUB (716 EUR), December 103815 RUB (1000 EUR). So over 30 000 RUB of difference (300EUR). That's HUGE! And not Coherent. An average should be calculated: (70922 + 73830 + 73383 + 103815) / 4 = 80 487 RUB (800 EUR)! You have one day to perform the changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kornelius111982 (talk • contribs) 22:20, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

In Russia, according to Rosstat, for the year 2023, the average wage is, in RUB (EUR): Jan 2023: 63260; Feb 2023: 65094; Mar 2023: 71334; Apr 2023: 71204; May 2023: 72851; Jun 2023: 76604; Jul 2023: 71419; Aug 2023: 69439; Sep 2023: 70922; Oct 2023: 73830; Nov 2023: 73383; Dec 2023: 103815; Average 2023: 73709 RUB (737 EUR) according to Rosstat.

Completely agree. Checked the data and at least in russia December wages are roughly 40% higher than the yearly average every year, it takes multiple years for yearly average wage to catch up to December. Using monthly data that includes all year's bonuses into a single month would skew the data wildly. JorisLTU (talk) 12:03, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

References

Data correction for Poland

The Polish currency has greatly strengthened over the past year. The average gross salary (PLN 7.767) converted to EUR is therefore 1,813.53. 62.177.111.116 (talk) 22:18, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Problematic approach of using monthly wages

Some countries release monthly updates for average wage but using those is problematic given that some countries got highly varying wages mostly in December. December introduces yearly bonuses and are not representative as an average wage figure. Next January's average wage can be as much as 20-25% lower than December and the bonuses are given out for an entire year meaning that they're not December's compensation almost at all, roughly speaking 1/12th of the December bonus is for December. For that reason quarterly wage updates are just more accurate. I just noticed there's already a topic about this on the talk page. JorisLTU (talk) 11:56, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

100% agreed. Would be great. Mavreju (talk) 06:41, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Turkey: the bogus of Orange-Puppy-2221 and Mavreju edits

Insist on using the archived version from https://web.archive.org/web/20240114171733/https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Turkey

because for now the current version has become an unreliable source, conviently https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Turkey

Even so, the archived version has as avg net monthly 21,702.23 TL for Jan 2024, that in no sensible conversion rate does it reach the 800-1000 euro range that they claim

Edits in question: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage&diff=prev&oldid=1209679779&title=List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage&diffonly=1

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage&diff=prev&oldid=1209680250&title=List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage&diffonly=1

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Asian_countries_by_average_wage&diff=prev&oldid=1209771976&title=List_of_Asian_countries_by_average_wage&diffonly=1 2A02:587:7246:A000:1C45:DDA1:B9C9:C6E8 (talk) 20:43, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Archive is from 14 January 2024, that one euro according to google traded for 32.9 TL then, so 21,702.23 TL is 659 euro 2A02:587:7246:A000:1C45:DDA1:B9C9:C6E8 (talk) 20:49, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

These individuals are getting out of hand :( JorisLTU (talk) 00:47, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Even though we talked about this already, I want to clarify that most countries here used Numbeo as a source before too. What seemed to be more bogus that day was using an "average" data that is lower than minimum data.

Plus, I don't know anything about Orange-Puppy-2221, but all my edits were based on reliable sources (or other Wikipedia articles), I even reverted his/her contributions for not having any source(s). Mavreju (talk) 10:44, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm not a nationalistic person, but a realistic one and it's just that writing an average data that is lower than minimum seemed absurd to me so I tried to add every latest source that I can add. I never vandalised or used bogus sources. I even archived/translated my sources for future usages. But anyway, I'm done with this article. Feel free to update as you wish. Mavreju (talk) 10:47, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

There was official source listed in the page. When updating use the same source and latest data instead of non official sources with future (Like Q3 of 2024) data. JorisLTU (talk) 08:56, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

There was Numbeo source long before I added it and there was never a Q3 of 2024 in my sources. Please get your facts straight.

I've been an editor for 12 years. I don't remember but I could've made a typo and if I ever made a typo, I would immediately revert it.

Saying average data being lower than minimum is normal does not suddenly become normal when you say it many times. Like I said, I'm done with this article. Set it to €1 if you wish. Mavreju (talk) 09:24, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Ukraine data correction request

In Ukraine, Income Tax is 18%, and Military Tax is 1,5%. So 17973 UAH brutto, leaves 14468 UAH netto, which is 347 euro, not 391. Please change this. 88.155.51.139 (talk) 12:40, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Spain salaries are wrong

Gross anual salary. most updated one is 25.896,82€/year ==> 2.158,07€/month.

I would suggest to review all salaries, because almost all of them are wrong. 90.169.34.82 (talk) 07:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Poland's net and gross in local currency is wrong. Now it is: 6,061 PLN net and 8,408 PLN gross

https://stat.gov.pl/sygnalne/komunikaty-i-obwieszczenia/lista-komunikatow-i-obwieszczen/obwieszczenie-w-sprawie-przecietnego-miesiecznego-wynagrodzenia-w-sektorze-przedsiebiorstw-w-marcu-2024-roku,56,125.html Jakespoon9 (talk) 18:55, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2024

Jakespoon9 (talk) 13:46, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

 Not done you didn't provide any source backing your claim ,if you still wish for the change to be made please make an another edit request that is backed by a reliable source :) The AP (talk) 14:38, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Dear Sirs

The amount of net wages and salaries in Poland has recently changed sharply. The Implied PPP conversion rate (national currency per current international dollar) for Poland has also changed, which is now 2.029 (USD/PLN in PPP) according to data from the International Monetary Fund. As the net amount of the average salary in Poland is PLN 6,061, this gives USD 2,987 (PPP). It is therefore necessary to update where appropriate.

Jake Spoon

These are appropriate links:

Report for Selected Countries and Subjects (imf.org)

Statistics Poland / Latest statistical news / Communications and Announcements / List of Communiques and Announcements / Average monthly wage and salary in enterprise sector excluding payments from profit in August 2014

PPP values based in the IMF data are wrong

I did some calculation and it looks like most of the PPP-s are not aligned with the IMF source 2A02:AB88:2B85:A880:5D04:7F01:3858:5835 (talk) 07:30, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 May 2024

I am asking for permission to edit the data on the salary calculated according to this purchasing power parity for Poland because the converter used from the International Monetary Fund (Implied PPP conversion rate) is no longer valid, the current one is 2.029 (from IMF). With the current conversion rate, this wage will be $2,876 $PPP (not 2753 $PPP). This is big difference. Jakespoon9 (talk) 18:16, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 22:32, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 June 2024

Hello, this is regarding the calculation of gross to net salary in Sweden. The link used to be towards: https://statsskuld.se/en/berakna-nettolon Which is the Swedish site that uses the Swedish Tax Auth for their calculations and the results are correct. While now after someone edited it and changed it into salaryaftertax.com

Statsskuld.se is more detailed when it comes to what is what and also provides the correct numbers.

. Richard.andersson (talk) 18:53, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done Geardona (talk to me?) 01:03, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Average salary in Turkey

Incorrect salary data for Turkey - 20910 TRY equals to some 633 EUR, not even close to 927 EUR. 188.255.181.195 (talk) 22:00, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

 Done Romania421 (talk) 10:24, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 June 2024

1. Belgium "Gross in local currency" is incorrect. Change €3832 to €3886 EUR as per Statbel link

2. Belgian annual salaries need to be calculated on a 13,92 monthly basis (not 12x €3886). Current salary calculator link does not take this into account. Change https://salaryaftertax.com/be/salary-calculator to https://techjobs.be/en/belgium-salary-calculator?salary=3886#TaxCalculationSummary 2A02:A03F:E2EF:7F00:E86C:FBB:2214:9E12 (talk) 05:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

 Partly done: I couldn't figure out what you wanted on request 2. Are you trying to change the supporting citation? ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 03:26, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Belgian salaries are offered to the employee as a gross monthly amount. The current salary calculator used calculates the net salary by taking the gross salary and multiplying it by 12. This is incorrect. It should be multiplied by 13,92. Employees receive 13,92 times the monthly salary, including statutory (double) holiday pay (+1 is holiday pay, .92 is double holiday pay).

1. Use of the calculator linked above accounts for this, so adjust link.

2. Under "net in local currency" adjust 2463 -> 2834 EUR (3886 gross p/m equals 2,443 net p/m x 13,92 = 34,006.56 / 12 = 2833,88 net) 2A02:A03F:E2EF:7F00:E9E3:3221:A246:5AF4 (talk) 17:55, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Poland, Brutto --> netto calculator

The website used for converting gross to net wages shows wrong data for Polish salaries. For the correct conversion, the following websites are suitable, which are the most used in the country: https://zarobki.pracuj.pl/kalkulator-wynagrodzen/8169-brutto https://wynagrodzenia.pl/kalkulator-wynagrodzen

English one, that shows correct data is, for example is: https://accace.com/payroll-calculator-poland/ 2A00:11B1:1037:FDF8:D67:A6C:1F79:1198 (talk) 21:09, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Thus, the median figures provided further below might be more representative than averages.

This seems to be a no longer needed sentence, as the median figures were removed at some point — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.190.130.114 (talk) 19:56, 2 October 2024 (UTC)