Talk:List of National Sports Award recipients in Olympic sports

Latest comment: 3 years ago by Yoninah in topic Did you know nomination

DYK Advice

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@Yoninah:, as per your advice on DYK talk, I wanted to ask you whether a hook with 10 bolded links will work? The below example contains all new pages created on or after 11-October. If all of them have more than 1500 unique characters, will it work? Also is the hook interesting enough to pass? The hook itself has less than 200 characters.

... that most Indian national sports awards have been given in Olympic sports: athletics, hockey, wrestling, boxing, shooting and badminton, in Non-Olympic sports: cricket and in parasports?

Would appreciate your advice. Thanks. Roller26 (talk) 13:35, 16 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Roller26: yes, we certainly have a history of multi-nomination hooks. As long as each article has 1500 characters of unique text, it's fine. The 200-character hook length does not apply to multi hooks. But the colons are unnecessary. You could write:

Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by Yoninah (talk17:02, 12 December 2020 (UTC)Reply
None of the articles meet DYK criteria at this time; no response from nominator

Created by Roller26 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:53, 18 October 2020 (UTC).Reply

  • Before we go any further with this, please may I request that the word, "Indian", is included in all of these article page names? This is an international site, and I'm guessing that if you don't include "Indian", anyone reading any of those pagenames will at first think that it refers to their own country. You would need to ask an administrator to move the pages to new titles for you. Storye book (talk) 15:15, 21 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
  • Storye book, request you to go through Talk:National Sports Awards#Requested move 12 October 2020 as I believe the discussion there is relevant for what you are proposing. I am curious as to how someone randomly comes across such pages. The term "National Sports Awards" is only used by India and Bangladesh. The first line of all these pages plus the infobox (numerous times) makes it pretty evident that the award is given by Indian government. I believe the only way readers can come across these pages (other than the DYK listing) is though other Indian sports awards or their templates linking to them, or by direct search in WP or Google. Roller26 (talk) 06:55, 23 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
  @Roller26: I think there is a problem with this nomination in connection with supplementary rule A5 which states "New text seven days old or less can only count toward the 1500 character minimum in one article; if it is duplicated in other nominated new articles, it is ignored for the purpose of character count." So basically, most of the articles are too short. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:37, 1 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
  •   Marking for closure since the nomination has gone stale, with no progress in over three weeks. Furthermore, seven QPQ credits are still outstanding and it has been over a month since the nomination was submitted. Flibirigit (talk) 17:59, 19 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
  •   No progress has been made in the last week. If the nominator had provided more QPQ credits I could see extending the nomination. QPQ should be supplied within a week of the nomination. This nomination is now over five weeks old and QPQ requirements have not been met. It is time to close this and move on. Flibirigit (talk) 17:30, 26 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
Overall status
Number Article Review status QPQ supplied
1 List of National Sports Award recipients in Olympic sports   Edward G. Faile
2 List of National Sports Award recipients in athletics   Eurasian wolf
3 List of National Sports Award recipients in hockey   Budots
4 List of National Sports Award recipients in wrestling   This Is My Story (memoir)
5 List of National Sports Award recipients in boxing   This I Remember
6 List of National Sports Award recipients in shooting   On My Own (memoir)
7 List of National Sports Award recipients in badminton   The Autobiography of Eleanor Roosevelt
8 List of National Sports Award recipients in non-Olympic sports   Meenakshi Pahuja
9 List of National Sports Award recipients in cricket   Florence Lewis (activist)
10 List of National Sports Award recipients in parasports   Eric Kimaiyo
List of National Sports Award recipients in Olympic sports review

General eligibility:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited:  
  • Interesting:  
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   This review is for List of National Sports Award recipients in Olympic sports only. I am taking it that the first paragraph in the header of all of these articles is common to all, therefore we have to exclude that paragraph from readable text in assessment for DYK. This article has 1480 characters of readable text allowable for DYK assessment, so we need at least 20 more characters. Storye book (talk) 17:14, 27 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

List of National Sports Award recipients in athletics review
  New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. Image is freely licensed. QPQ done. I'm only unsure how the hook is verified in this article; perhaps it isn't. Yoninah (talk) 22:28, 28 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
List of National Sports Award recipients in hockey review
  The text is so close and repetitive to the other articles that there is not 1500 characters of anything new. Yoninah (talk) 22:31, 28 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
List of National Sports Award recipients in wrestling review
  The text is so close and repetitive to the other articles that there is not 1500 characters of anything new. Yoninah (talk) 22:34, 28 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
List of National Sports Award recipients in boxing review
  The text is so close and repetitive to the other articles that there is not 1500 characters of anything new. Yoninah (talk) 22:35, 28 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
List of National Sports Award recipients in shooting review
  The text is so close and repetitive to the other articles that there is not 1500 characters of anything new. Yoninah (talk) 22:50, 28 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
List of National Sports Award recipients in badminton review
  The text is so close and repetitive to the other articles that there is not 1500 characters of anything new. Yoninah (talk) 22:50, 28 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
List of National Sports Award recipients in non-Olympic sports review
  The text is so close and repetitive to the other articles that there is not 1500 characters of anything new. Yoninah (talk) 22:50, 28 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
List of National Sports Award recipients in cricket review
  New enough. Since most of the lead text is repeated in the other articles, I'm only looking at the Recipients section and seeing only 1356 characters. Yoninah (talk) 22:50, 28 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
I should also note that about 340 characters of text about Sachin Tendulkar has been copied from List of Arjuna Award recipients (1990–1999). Per Rule A5, this text needs to be expanded 5x in the current article, which would push the required length to at least 1700 characters of new text. Yoninah (talk) 11:42, 29 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
List of National Sports Award recipients in parasports review
  The text is so close and repetitive to the other articles that there is not 1500 characters of anything new. Yoninah (talk) 22:50, 28 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
General discussion
  • @ Flibirigit. I have only done one review because I am distracted with decrypting a collection of encoded postcards for Commons right now. However I should be able to do one or two more article reviews if necessary (ask me if you need to). You will need to call in more reviewers for the rest, though. Storye book (talk) 17:14, 27 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
  • Is the hook really that interesting? I don't think so. The way the articles are bolded, they could be about the generic sports rather than the National Sports Awards for those sports. Yoninah (talk) 22:21, 28 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
  •   The nominator has not responded to multiple questions about length of the nominated lists. The issue has been outstanding since November 1. This nomination should be marked for closure if no meaningful progress is made within a week. Flibirigit (talk) 22:01, 4 December 2020 (UTC)Reply