Talk:List of cyberpunk works/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Films and TV

I've added to the list of films and tv series here according to most lists formed by sites dedicated to the Cyberpunk culture. I know that most people have their own opinions as to what is truly cyberpunk and what is not, however I have added films which have been important in terms of the influence and recognised in the cyberpunk community on the Net. I will attempt organising the page slightly more by placing the films and tv series in an alphabetical order and by the year they were released so as not to look too sloppy as it does now. I know people will argue that certain films should not be in this list but I have carefully researched and from my own knowledge including what I've found from on the Net I have gathered the movies that are considered to be the most definitive in cyberpunk. I also have added two external links which verify my contributions, one which is a dedicated site for research and gathering information related to the cyberpunk sub-culture. Piecraft 18:34, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Though I know it's controversial to mention films like The Crow and Batman in regards to Cyberpunk, it might be interesting to have a segment on films that have some theoretical or thematic relation to some of Cyberpunk's themes. I wrote extensively about "Cyberpunk" Films for the R. Talsorian website at this link. Aeonite

Hi, I think it's relevant perhaps to note that Batman, The Crow and even films like Barb Wire have influences stemming from Cyberpunk. However as to whether they are related is another question. Batman has been listed as more of a Dieselpunk movie compared to cyberpunk - but this is also debatable. What I know for sure is that most cyberpunks do take into account the Batman movies as being particularly important in terms of the style and 'world'.

At some point a place should be found for Gibson's early fiction at short length. Cyberpunk emerged in sf magazines such as Omni, and in short stories such as "Burning Chrome" before Neuromancer appeared. I think it is more important to reflect this point than to list a whole lot of works that are more or less tenuously connected. I'm not saying to delete anything, and I don't want to disparage all the good work done here, but let's find a way to incorporate this material. Metamagician3000 14:24, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Also, some material by Joanna Russ should definitely be in the precursors section. Russ's heroines, such as Alyx, certainly influenced Gibson's and Picnic on Paradise could easily be considered a cyberpunk work. This is more like anything else on the list in tone, feel, and the handling of sexuality. I'm sure that someone has made that point somewhere (I'm sure I have, if it comes to that :) ). Metamagician3000 14:27, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Could the Red Dwarf episode Back to Reality be considered for addition? Although the episode is a fantasy brought on by hallucinogens, the world which they fantasise is quite cyberpunk. In fact, the show in general is quite heavily cyberpunk influenced, so maybe the whole show is worthy of addition? magnius (talk) 15:41, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey, just wondering, could the movie Paprika be considered for addition to the cyberpunk list of films?... 22:34, December 2008

Paprika is on the list. It fits well. Dhechols (talk) 03:29, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

I know it just came out, but I think the movie "Gamers" fit perfectly into the cyberpunk mentality, high tech gaming, nanotechnology used to control humans being played by the players in the game without any reguard to human life, I'd say Gamer's is pretty cyberpunk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.141.149.78 (talk) 16:47, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I'd agree from a personal point of view, but wikipedia doesn't work that way. It could be added if you a have reliable source that states that it is a cyberpunk movie, otherwise it is original research and would be deleted from the article. magnius (talk) 16:50, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Agree to not include it. Gamer (2009) is recognized more for science-fiction action than anything else. Even if it was thoroughly in the cyberpunk genre, it's not a great movie, and would be a bad example to include. Dhechols (talk) 03:29, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Does the movie Tron fall under the category for cyberpunk? Should it be added? BenW (talk) 08:52, 28 December 2008 (UTC) It is added. Dhechols (talk) 03:29, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Should the Documentary film Cyberpunk be included in the documentaries section? Sabrinageek (talk) 06:49, 24 November 2010 (UTC) - Perhaps. There isn't a ton of info about it and it isn't rated highly, so it might not be wise to include. Dhechols (talk) 03:29, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

For God's sake, Tetsuo is not cyberpunk. It is nowhere near cyberpunk, it does not deal with cyberpunk themes and does not have particularly cyberpunk-like imagery. It belongs on the "Japanese cyberpunk" page, and I should point out that "Japanese cyberpunk" is not cyberpunk from Japan but a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT genre entirely!!! The only similarity between "Japanese cyberpunk" and genuine cyberpunk is in the name! Just because that Film4 review (used as a reference) calls it cyberpunk does not make it so. Anyone who wanted to explore the genre of cyberpunk and came to this page to find a movie to watch and happened to end up watching Tetsuo would not learn anything about genuine cyberpunk!

I'm not arguing over a difference of opinion here, this is fact, that film and its sequel should not be listed as examples of cyberpunk film, any more than Venetian Squares should be listed as 'ambient electronica' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.140.208.250 (talk) 14:17, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

- You're right. Tetsuo, at best, belongs in a "related to cyberpunk" section. It belongs more in the experimental art genre than anything. I've cleaned this up. Dhechols (talk) 03:29, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Bands

Is there any solid criteria for determining what is/isn't a "cyberpunk band"? It seems to me a lot of what's on the list is 'evocative' of cyberpunk, but is really just run-of-the-mill EBM or industrial music, in which case, a link to those articles would suffice. I propose that only bands that *lyrically* refer to cyberpunk should be included on this list. --Tellybelly 02:48, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I'd say cyberpunk isn't a music genre, people using it usually confuses it with EBM and similar genres, that sound like electronic punk music, and since the word cyberpunk contains "punk" they think it's some kind of subgenre. Music shouldn't be classified as cyberpunk based on how it "sounds", but rather by the themes in the lyrics (a classical, or country, adaption of Neuromancer would still be cyberpunk to me, while harsh, electronic punk with lyrics about the iraq war wouldn't). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.216.158.20 (talk) 03:57, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Does the movie Tron fall under the category for cyberpunk? —Preceding unsigned comment added by BenW (talk • contribs) 08:51, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I can't affirmatively about the music displayed in this thread being 'cyberpunk' music as I can't say its been formed as a distinct style of music. Yet I think the term would very aptly describe many of the themes and songs involved with the ghost in the shell theme with their electronic influence and computer reminiscent music sounds in the background as well as somewhat uniquely abstract form. But as I said its really just a name for a realm of music that is waiting to be claimed.66.254.246.78 (talk) 12:23, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Before deletion

I suggest that before an editor decides to edit this article and delete certain titles they should try and discuss it first here as it may lead (as it stands now) to nowhere without a civil debate.

I have personally added (again) 1984 and Brazil because I feel they are important atributes to the cyberpunk genre, the book of Nineteen-Eighty-Four has been listed, so it is fitting that the film should as well seeing as it one of the major influences to the genre along with Brazil. If anyone can prove me otherwise that these two should not be listed than by all means explain your reasons. Thank you. Piecraft 17:04, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Piecraft, while I agree with you, please note that Wikipedia takes a strong stance that the burden of evidence is on those who add material. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:PROVEIT#Burden_of_evidence Dhechols (talk) 03:48, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Re-evaluation of list

Seeing as there are now decent articles for the different sub-genres of Cyberpunk and the Steampunk genre I believe there should be some re-administration as to the list of Cyberpunk films seeing as of now it is in a constrcutive form of chaos. Piecraft 21:20, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

• There does need to be some criteria for this. I'm seeing things like Transformers listed as cyberpunk, and it clearly fits none of the ethos.Gnrlotto

• Fully agree on the criteria statement. Without a criteria for determining inclusion, a list of cyberpunk movies and animes becomes a complete mess. For instance, what separates out a post-apocalyptic disaster film like Escape from New York, from an actual cyberpunk film? As a starting point, I would suggest the criteria I use for determining inclusion of cyberpunk movies and animes at my website, cyberpunkreview.com. This list has already undergone significant revision and comment. --Sfam 22:00, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

• • Agreed. What seems like a first step is to categorize what we've got here (precursor, influence, influenced, full-fledged -like blade runner-, vaguely connected, irrelevant, etc). Then we can sort which categories stay, and if there is anything to do with the others.--SidiLemine 13:00, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

• There certainly are some highly questionable entries. Clockwork Orange is not a cyberpunk novel or film. It may be set in a dystopian near-future but cyberpunk needs the 'high technology'/cybernetics which do not feature in this story to any real degree. --Neon white 20:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Quick Edit

The MMBN series was never even close to cyberpunk, as its themes were WAY too happy at any point to even begin to go there(in fact, the only thing it has in common with cyberpunk is the hacking aspect). Shadowrun 2007 is not cyberpunk, especially when compared with the other games and its source material; the colors used in the game are bright, the bleakness is gone... in fact, it has little to do with the source material. I'll leave it to someone else to decide on the music, but if Turmion Katilot is not listed and Rammstein is, it needs fixing.

I agree. Shadowrun 2007 is not cyberpunk. The only reason for being called so is that is 'based' on the Shadowrun universe, which is cyberpunk. Why isn't it, if it is based on Shadowrun. Because everything that relates to Shadowrun/Cyberpunk has been removed. What stays are the name and the characters. However, since the characters don't have any background it is like adding an elf-like model to lets say Quake and call it a fantasy game. I know, this may not sound like a good argument, but honestly that's what the game is. It is a (fun) action game with models based on Shadowrun (RPG) and the name. Because of the lack of any background or story in the game it doesn't really have a genre. Only a game type genre (Action/Shooter). There is nothing like a setting. Again, besides the character models. So the question is, if that's enough to call it Cyberpunk. I (and I think many people would agree) don't think so. --212.17.86.234 (talk) 21:59, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Original Research

Unless I'm misreading the original research policy there ideally shouldn't be anything on this list that isn't described as "cyberpunk" by some reliable source (and cited). --P4k 00:13, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Personal Choices

On this list as in others I have seen there seems to be a great deal of entries based on what the person posting believes was an influence to/for a particular writer. This makes for horrible genre based lists.

As an example, Nineteen Eighty-Four (a novel I enjoy tremendouosly) could be added to practically any list of modern fiction novels. Dystopian, oppressive and controling '1984' has all the Lego blocks that were used years after on countless works. As such, yes I agree it should be here two-fold, the content itself and how it influenced Sci-Fi and the view we have in the future.

On the other hand, there is Rammstein, whos industrial music and aestetics might, to some, be an expression of cyberpunk are no more cyberpunk than The Stooges or New York Dolls. It is loud, hard, industrial rock that readers of cyberpunk equate to the decaying societies (sometimes) represented by the genre.

I am not bashing Rammstein, Du Hast is a great song, I am questioning the validity of entries made by individuals based on what they 'think' should be included here due to the work's connection, gossamer at times, to cyberpunk.

Start the article with a definition of cyberpunk, remind people of what it is, that might clear a path to works that should be posted here.

Where is the movie 'Escape from New York' on the movie list? The thing borrowed from the Neuromancer plot heavily (or vice versa). It's much more cyberpunk than The Matrix trilogy ever was.

Also, I would not consider Rammstein to be industrial, let alone cyberpunk. As much as I like them, they are just german heavy metal. Nothing makes them cyberpunk or even industrial. The heavy sound of their music is very common among a lot of german bands. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.24.15.44 (talk) 13:28, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Dystopias

Please, stop adding movies just because they're dystopic science fiction. Cyberpunk is about hackers, artificial inteligence, megacorporations dominating the world, not crazy totalitarian dystopias in the future. Totalitarian dystopias have existed way before cyberpunk and have nothing to do with it. 201.9.91.136 00:03, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Re:Dystopias

--What about the online move "Zeitgeist" that seems to meet all the aforementioned criteria, and being that Wikipedia does not acknowledge the existance of a film with said qualifications and millions of viewers as something of significance is a bit odd to say the least.-- Parasite Twin - August 23, 2007 12:23 est.

The "Heavy Metal" movie.

I'm against having the Heavy Metal (1981) movie in this section. It precedes the landmark releases of the cyberpunk (Blade Runner and Neuromancer) and is mostly associated with the Heavy metal music genre. 201.50.230.195 13:42, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Reworking the lead

The lead seems to suggest that this list is about written works only yet it covers more than that. I think the lead needs to clarify that. --neonwhite user page talk 00:19, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Serenity

Wouldn't Serenity be considered Steampunk? My reasoning is that Steampunk by nature is found in a more Western/Victorian setting which is closer to where Serenity is set. Also, the Firefly/Serenity universe doesn't place as much emphasis on technology as other iconic works of Cyberpunk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.22.104.18 (talk) 14:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

The Serenity/FireFly series don't feature a certain important factor that is steampunk: namely, technology driven by steam. Instead, it features quite a bit of genetic/biological warfare, biohacking and megacorporations, which all have to do with cyberpunk. Cyanid (talk) 15:49, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Philip K. Dick

Why is there a consensus on Wikipedia that Philip K. Dick is not a cyberpunk author, yet Blade Runner -- which was based on his book -- is considered the premiere of the genre in cinema? If it's simply because the term didn't exist during his lifetime, then that's like saying Thespis wasn't an actor.
--Amwestover (talk) 03:08, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm of the opinion that Phil K. Dick is NOT a cyberpunk author, and Blade Runner is NOT a cyberpunk movie. Not every dystopian fiction must be cyberpunk. There are no hackers of any sort in BR, for example. But I'm not under the illusion I can battle the Wiki-drones and remove it from the list. Oh well, I can try... 201.216.245.25 (talk) 15:30, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Who cares about your opinion? Verifiable sources are all that matter, take your personal opinions elsewhere. magnius (talk) 18:47, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Woah, calm down. Aren't you breaking the "Assume Good Faith" guideline? Consider this: if verifiable sources is *all* that is required, if some mainstream newspaper calls Blade Runner or Alien a fairy tale, can I put them in a list of "works involving fairy tales"? ;-) 201.216.245.25 (talk) 19:14, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

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None of these have references, and look to be entirely OR:

List of films borrowing some cyberpunk elements

• Alien (1979), Aliens (1986), Alien³ (1992), and Alien: Resurrection (1997) — more horror/sci-fi related, however the environment, people and narratives portray a cyberpunk attitude. Also there are direct references which have inspired the Rivet Industrial culture, especially from the third sequel.
• Heavy metal (1981)
• Tron (1982) — perhaps more of a technology-themed fantasy. Tron does involve a hacker physically entering the world of cyberspace, a realm full of video games (fittingly, since video games were Gibson's inspiration behind his cyberspace concept). However, the movie's world is not dark or dystopian nor its corporation evil; arguably, one could retroactively designate Tron postcyberpunk.
• Runaway
• Brazil (1985)
• Back to the Future Part II (1989)
• Bunker Palace Hôtel (1989) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.155.16.22 (talk) 16:29, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
• Sneakers (1992) — perhaps better categorized as a technothriller or mathematical science fiction
• Universal Soldier (1992)
• Demolition Man (1993)
• Dragon Ball Z: The History of Trunks (1993) a special set in an alternative future with androids, post-apocalyptic cityscapes and timetravel.
• Sci-Fighters (1996)
• Space Truckers (1996)
• Gattaca (1997) — an SF film noir, this movie's emphasis on genetic engineering over computer technology might make "biopunk" a better term. It also includes a motif of space travel.
• The Fifth Element (1997)
• Cube (1997)
  • Cube 2: Hypercube (2002)
  • Cube Zero (2004)
• Cowboy Bebop (1998) a space western setting with themes relating to biopunk and cyberpunk, such as genetic modification, cybernetics and hackers, and a film noir way of storytelling.
• Soldier (1998)
• Ichi the Killer (2001)
• Code 46 (2003) — also biopunk
• Godzilla: Final Wars (2004). The designs of Gigan, the Xilians and their technology show cyberpunk influences.
• Final Fantasy VII Advent Children (2004)
• I, Robot (2004)
• Firefly/Serenity (2005) a space western with elements of cyberpunk and biopunk.
• The Island (2005)
• Children of Men(2006)

It is interesting to note that the more recent Star Trek movies, particularly Star Trek: First Contact (1996) and Star Trek Nemesis (2002), draw upon cyberpunk themes: malevolent cyborgs in the first case and malevolent clones in the second. Oddly, the Borg — arguably the most widely recognized cybernetic organisms in popular culture — originated as space opera villains in a distant-future story, not as characters from a dystopian near-future Earth. This may serve as a testament to the difficulty of categorizing science fiction.

The Gene Generation

The film has an official myspace page that calls it a cyberpunk film[1] and it has banners on the pics page that call it a "Cyberpunk film"[2]. They know better than anyone here, so it stays on wiki fully cited. magnius (talk) 19:06, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

the reason three (or 4?) editors are reverting the addition is that myspace is not a relaible source, as there is no way to know who is writing it. We need a cite from a reliable source )ie, one with editorial oversight), preferably that is independant of the films advertising. The other uncited members of the list are in the process of being removed or cited, so it is a backwards step to add an example with the same problem.Yobmod (talk) 22:25, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I have re-added Gene generation again with the same source that seems to be acceptable for the Metal Gear Series. Although why you are being so damn picky when nothing on this page actually has a source is questionable. you cannot have one rule for one and another for everything else. This page may as well be blank if you are going to be so damned picky. magnius (talk) 00:10, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Look at the history - the uncited texts are being gradually removed.Yobmod (talk) 08:33, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Btw, Cyberpunk review is currently undergoing comments at the Reliable sources noticeboard - it is possible that it will be deemed to be simply a blog (that's the way consensus is going), hence is not reliable.Yobmod (talk) 13:37, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

May as well wipe the entire page then, because it is the only site that comes close to being a source...unless you can find others. The only other two sites that are linked are pretty useless and updated rarely.magnius (talk) 14:00, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

There are thousands of sites that reliable sources and review films, and even books that do so, i've heard. I added one from the BBC for Lawnmowerman, and Locus magazine for a book. There is no need to assume that all the films will come from one meta-source. I wont delete them, just letting you know, so you don't end up using it for the whole list, only to have it declared unsuitable.Yobmod (talk) 14:58, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I think that this film is not cyberpunk by one simple reason - its idea so ignoramus from science point of view that it not fit to cyberpunk genre. Its better fit for fantasy genre - not sci fi and therefore not cyberpunk. 78.138.171.168 (talk) 17:31, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Games

I was wondering if the "Blade Runner" and "Neuromancer" games really need citations? They are based on already cited material, so can they get by without cites? "Hell" is obviously still in need of a source though. magnius (talk) 21:53, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

That is the reason i didn't remove them. But i did tag them, because remakes do not always keep the genre of the original - the classic example being Blade-runner being cyberpunk after massive changes from Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, which is not. I don't think gamre writers can be trusted to stick closely to the original genre, both due to the nature of the media, and them simply (often) being cash-ins with little thought put into the writng. Does the Neuromancer keep the tehemes that make the book cyberpunk? I have no idea!

Hence, I think the examples can remain until at least everything else is cited, but they should still be cited in an ideal world. I don't mind about removing the tags so much, as long as we continue to police additons of other games - the tags currently show less experienced editos that cites are expected, even if we havn't gotten around to it yet.Yobmod (talk) 09:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Eg. I have no mouth an i must scream (which i just removed) - the cite does not call the game CP, it mentions that the story the game is based on preceded cyberpunk - this does not even mean the story is CP (note there is no cyber, no punk, no evil corperations), let alone the game.Yobmod (talk) 17:44, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, not sure how I let that one through lol...must have been tired. magnius (talk) 18:37, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

No probs. Great work on the rest though - who knew people were still really interested in making games in a 30 year old genre with very little fan interest! .-).Yobmod (talk) 18:59, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Ever been into Second Life? That place proves that there is a HUGE interest in Cyberpunk still :) Insilico is a great example magnius (talk) 19:21, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I tried second life, but it was too laggy :-). I agree people are still very interested in the "cyber-" part of living vertual reality lives, just that it no longer seems to have anything to do with the "-punk" part of anti-establishment and fighting mega-corperations. Second life is all social networking and fun, excpept those using it to make money! It's more cyberprep (a term underused due to its sillyness, i think),

Genres evolve all the time, if they didn't then they would become stale and boring, look at Horror right now! I do agree that the punk part has been overlooked though. But if you can get SL to work, you should visit 'Insilico' and 'Hangars Liquides' for fine cyberpunk environments (alas the former is lag central!) magnius (talk) 13:36, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I think the Neotokyo total conversion should be listed under games. (http://www.neotokyohq.com/).

aintitcool

Can aintitcool.com be considered a reliable reference source? magnius (talk) 02:02, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

As the whole site is copyrighted to one person, it look like another (well-made) blog. Couldn't find anything on an editorial policy, so i think it is not reliable. But that is my opinion, the Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard might know better.Yobmod (talk) 09:00, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Add to animation.

• Galaxy Express 999.
• Appleseed.
• Dominion Tank Police.

(Possibly Patlabor & Gall Force).

Dope Stars Inc.

I was wondering why Dope Stars Inc. wasn't mentioned in the "music" list, as it seems nearly all their music is a tribute to cyberpunk. There are also various allusions to Gibson's work and the like in their music. GeneticInsanity (talk) 00:04, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

If you can provide a reliable source that backs-up the bands cyberpunk credentials, then you are quite welcome to add them. magnius (talk) 01:30, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

two things left out

the first thing is Serial Experiments: Lain is left out of the list of anime! How stupid do you have to be to leave that one out. also the last thing is understandable. The Final Cut is left out of the movie section. now the movie doesn't really have the right style but the story and the technology is all cyberpunk.

PS one could make arguments on whether or not Akria is cyberpunk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.116.115.174 (talk) 02:40, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Serial Experiments: Lain is in the List of cyberpunk works, try using your eyes. There is no argument whether Akira is cyberpunk or not, we can take our pick from multiple good sources. magnius (talk) 09:47, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Move/split into multiple lists?

This list seems exceptionally broad, and while it is not yet too long to prevent easy researching, I'd like to head off future headaches. Each sub-section is now suitably long enough to stand alone as its own list, but it would also make sense to band them together under a central list, as they are now. A compromise is possible. I'd like to suggest moving this article to List of cyberpunk media, and placing each distinctive type of media into a specific list page. An example of this currently exists on List of nontheists. If this suggestion receives little discussion in the coming days, I will interpret this as non-controversial, and will perform the page moves and successive splits myself. --Cast (talk) 23:22, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• Disagree: There is no need to split this into multiple articles, it serves no purpose at all. As it stands, it is a well maintained and easily navigatable list. magnius (talk) 23:50, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

A week later, and little written on the matter. Yet with only a single disagree and no further discussion, I can't bring myself to carry a discussion in support of my own motion. For now, I don't disagree with Magnius, but maintain that in the future this list may need to be split up as I suggested. There is far, far more cyberpunk media that isn't being listed here, and this split may be necessary in the future, but not now. --Cast (talk) 02:30, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

New Rose Hotel - not Cyberpunk...

I saw that New Rose Hotel is included in this list...would anyone mind terribly if I got rid of it? Even though it's based on a story by William Gibson, it doesn't seem to have cyberpunk themes... Even the footnotes associated with it have no proof that it is related to the genre Please see this review: New Rose Hotel Review

Please let me know if you have thoughts --Etrlove (talk) 19:12, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Escape from New York

Has absolutely no futuristic technology and complete absence of themes that are usually associated with cyberpunk works. It barely qualifies as a science-fiction film. The fleeting reference made in the article used as a source makes no sense whatsoever, so I'm going to delete it. Let's use common sense, ok? George Pedrosa —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.12.150.184 (talk) 18:02, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Alternatively, we could try trusting reliable sources over your own opinions. Your removal of sourced content is vandalism plain and simple. magnius (talk) 18:22, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, I thought Wikipedia was a communal work. If all it takes is some obscure reference on some corner of the Internet, regardless of whether it makes sense, to dictate what can be put here, what's the purpose of the discussion page anyway? Your refusal to answer or merely acknoledge any of my complaints about the movie being considered Cyberpunk just goes to show that there are no arguments for this movie to be on this section. I mean, are you actually saying that a movie that has NO sci-fi technology whatsoever and predates both Neuromancer and Blade Runner is an actual, genuine piece of cyberpunk work just because a TV guide fleetingly says so? Are all distopian works going to be considered Cyberpunk too? Why not put Mad Max in here? Could you possibly answer any of my questions?

George Pedrosa —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.77.185.58 (talk) 16:06, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

You have given no reason that your opinion should overrule a reliable source (which is not, by the way, TV Guide). ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 17:43, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

I said it was A TV guide, informing what is going to appear on television. Hardly the most reliable source, wouldn't you agree? "Cyberpunk writers tend to use elements from the hard-boiled detective novel, film noir, and postmodernist prose to describe the often nihilistic underground side of an electronic society" from the Cyberpunk article. Anything remotely close to an electronic society on Escape From New York? Is anyone still discussing what ends up on the article and what doesn't, like a communal enciclopedia supposedly should do, or is Wikipedia simply compiling what can be found on some corner of the internet, without any care to thought or common sense? Yes, I am expressing an opinion, and I would like someone to explain to me why I am wrong, instead of pointing to that TV guide article like it's some sort of reliable, academic source. George qwerty (talk) 21:44, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

RPGs

Why are R. Talsorian's Cyberpunk 2020 & TSR's Shadowrun listed under "Role playing games" under "Audiovisual media" whereas Steve Jackson's GURPS cyberpunk is listed under "Reference books & misc print media" under "Print Media"? It seems to me that the "Role Playing games" should be moved under the print section, since they are not multimedia or electronic media. Centerone (talk) 07:08, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

The A-Men by John Trevillian

The following title was added to the novels section today, but I have doubts about its notability.

• The A-Men (2010) by John Trevillian

Neither the author nor the title have articles, I have never heard of the publisher, and the review site (sfsite.com) provided for a ref. does not look notable. Is anyone familiar with this book or author who can make a claim for its notability? ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 14:31, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Removing titles without references without looking for them

This edit http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_cyberpunk_works&diff=425898704&oldid=prev removed AppleSeed, GitS (manga) and AI. Even though I do understand the need for references as the goal of WP is to make an encyclopedia, this to me puts the burden on the previous editor, which is fine, but at the cost of the reader, which is not. Obviously those animate quality as member of the genre, citation needed would have been so I am adding them back with this warning instead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Utopiah (talk • contribs) 07:14, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

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