Talk:List of deaths during the Russian invasion of Ukraine
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Offensive article
editThe title of this article implies that the deaths of the many people who died in this conflict who are not listed are not notable. Really? Toddst1 (talk) 13:40, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- Unless you want to create some type of controversy, this can be solved with "this is a incomplete list", tag. Do you agree.Mr.User200 (talk) 13:45, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
Notability
editThe criteria for inclusion of only existing En-WP Bio articles been discussed in the past on Casualties of the Russo Ukrianian War article. Is not necessary since, this article is a list of notable deaths in each of the two combatants states, Ukraine and Russia. English relevancy is not a matter of criteria of inclusion. Mr.User200 (talk) 13:41, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- It's a tricky one. Do they rate articles on other Wikipedias? - David Gerard (talk) 16:41, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
Notable Definition
editWhile editing the article, I have noticed a very inconsistent definition of what notable is. Numerous soldiers, ranked junior officers and below, were listed, especially on the Ukrainian side. After reading their pages on Ukrainian Wikipedia, I was not able to figure out what exactly is noteworthy about these particular soldiers as opposed to many others just like them. I understand the desire of some people to honor fallen heroes by elevating them to "notable" status, or, on the contrary, the desire to exaggerate the enemy's casualties by listing the death of their soldiers as notable. However, if this standard is applied, the list would contain thousands of names and would serve no purpose.
I suggest some sort of consistent standard: for instance, soldiers (with the exception of the Navy) with a rank of captain and below should not be listed unless there is something particularly noteworthy that makes them stand out (e.g. they were famous before the war as civilians or did something that made national/international headlines). Soldiers with a rank of major and lieutenant colonel should be listed with caution, provided there is ample information about them online and they commanded at least a regiment-sized unit. Colonels and above should generally be listed no matter what. Is this fair? Data_monkey18 (talk) 00:02, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
Notable civilian-soldiers
editCurrently in the article, the list of military casualties contains both casualties that were noteworthy for military reasons (e.g. generals, decorated unit commanders, etc.) and those that were noteworthy for non-military reasons but who died as soldiers, particularly on the Ukrainian side (e.g. athletes, actors, etc. who ended up joining the army). Should there be two separate sections for this - one for "true" notable military casualties and one for notable civilians who were killed in action? Data_monkey18 (talk) 00:07, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
British volunteers
editThis sources makes a short list of British volunteers killed in Ukraine. Yug (talk) 🐲 14:03, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
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Add year for Foreign civilians and journalists deaths, i.e changing "On 13 March" to "On 13 March 2022" Atriskofmistake (talk) 03:21, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
New name to add
editIn Pro-Russian Ukranian Civilians please can you add:
- On 6 December 2023, Illia Kyva, a former member of the Verkhovna Rada, was shot dead in Moscow.[1] 150.249.248.5 (talk) 09:33, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
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New name to add
In Pro-Russian Ukranian Civilians please can you add:
- On 6 December 2023, Illia Kyva, a former member of the Verkhovna Rada, was shot dead in Moscow.[2] 62.252.130.4 (talk) 08:25, 13 December 2023 (UTC) 62.252.130.4 (talk) 08:25, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
Typo
editThere is a typo in the section "Russian and DPR/LPR military":
"Bato Basanov, and Alexey Bakulo had all diedin Ukraine killed in Ukraine" Ruyfel (talk) 10:01, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
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Hello,
In the section called "Ukrainian military", please can we change the wording in the 2024 section as the additions looks a mess. I have re-written them so that they are grammatically correct, as well as added new additions. I have also removed one addition as they didn't have a wikipedia article and the article linked didn't say they were notable.
Please can the below be added to the current section, and the incorrect section removed:
2024
edit- On 7 January, Maksym Kryvtsov, Ukrainian poet and military volunteer, was killed in battle.[1]
- On 28 January, Ruslan Pomirchiy, a Deputy of the Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast Council, for the Svoboda party, was killed in Kupyansk.[2]
- On February, Oleksandr Bilokon, who was the European and World Champion in powerlifting, aswell as a winner of "The Strongest Man of Ukraine", was killed in battle.[3][4][5]
- On 15 March, Oleksandr Hostyshchev, Commander of the ''Tsunami Batalion'' of the Liut Brigade, and former Head of Patrol of the National Police of Odesa, was killed by a Russian strike in Odesa.[6]
- On 15 March, Dmitry Abramenko, the Deputy Chief of the National Police of Odessa, died in Russian strikes.[7]
- On 15 March, Serhii Tetyukhin, former Deputy Mayor of Odessa, was killed in Odesa.[8]
- On 27 March, Andriy Antonyshchak, a former member of the Verkhovna Rada, died from wounds received in battle.[9]
81.96.52.167 (talk) 15:14, 27 March 2024 (UTC) 81.96.52.167 (talk) 15:14, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ "На війні за Україну загинув доброволець, поет Максим Кривцов" [During the war for Ukraine, a volunteer, poet Maksym Kryvtsov died]. Новинарня [Newsroom] (in Ukrainian). 7 January 2024. Retrieved 8 January 2024.
- ^ "На війні з Росією загинув колишній депутат Львівської обласної ради" (in Ukrainian). 28 January 2024.
- ^ "Втрата в родині стронгмену. Сьогодні з тяжким болем повідомляємо, що наш Білоконь Сашко віддав своє життя за волю та незалежність в російсько-Українській війні". www.facebook.com. Retrieved 2024-02-05.
- ^ На війні з російськими окупантами загинув чемпіон світу і Європи з паверліфтингу Олександр Білоконь. 04.02.2024, 15:12
- ^ Roksana, Kasumova (2024-02-05). "Oleksandr Bilokon". SPORT ANGELS. Retrieved 2024-02-07.
- ^ "Ex-deputy mayor, Tsunami battalion commander killed in Odesa as a result of Russian missile attack". 15 March 2024.
- ^ "Attack on Odessa (Updated)".
- ^ "В Одесі внаслідок російського ракетного удару 15 березня загинули колишній заступник міського голови Сергій Тетюхін та командир батальйону "Цунамі", ексначальник патрульної поліції області Олександр Гостіщев" (in Ukrainian). 15 March 2024.
- ^ https://novynarnia.com/2024/03/27/pomer-kolyshnij-narodnyj-deputat-polkovnyk-naczgvardiyi-andrij-antonyshhak/
Done ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 15:20, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
.Nationality or War Affiliation
editNever mind. I saw the article was already arranged with that info. Ileanadu (talk) 12:54, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
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