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not only justin bieber

In the article it sais that only justin bieber is the only artist to have four videos exceeding one billion views, but now katy perry got the video "Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.)" to 1 billion views and its the fourth one to get to one billion. so its not only justin bieber now that got 4 videos in one billion views. taylor swift had 3 right now and she just got a video in youtube - Look What You Made Me Do - that got 300m views in three weeks, so also taylor swift will get the fourth video to 1 billion in like 40 days 77.125.51.156 (talk) 13:39, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Last Friday Night has not yet reached a billion views--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 13:54, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

What's the problem with this template?

No. 1 Most Viewed Video (Jan 2012 – Aug 2017)

Less than 11 months after "See You Again" was uploaded, it surpassed Taylor Swift's "Blank Space" to become YouTube's second most viewed video, and on July 10, 2017, it surpassed the music video for "Gangnam Style" by Psy to become the most viewed YouTube video of all time, with 2.894 billion views. However, its reign was short-lived as "Despacito" by Luis Fonsi and Daddy Yankee took its place with 2.994 billion views on August 4, 2017, only 25 days after it claimed the top spot from "Gangnam Style".

@Luke Stark 96: Wumbolo (talk) 19:10, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

This chart is already present at the bottom of the page--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 19:13, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Honestly i don't find problems with this template.LuigiPortaro29 (talk) 14:37, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

The template is Template:Most Viewed YouTube Video --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 14:49, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

References

Fastest to 2 billions

Since we've reinstated the "5 fastest videos to reach 1 billion views" sentence which was previously removed by Yoshiman then should we also reinstate the one for 2 billions? I don't see any reason not to and it's really kind of weird that it isn't there while the one for 1 billions is, but I want to read other opinions. PSNFinozzi1696 (talk) 22:50, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

I agree with PSNFinozzi1696--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 15:45, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

I also agree. It should be re-added. --Dramaticmusic (talk) 09:38, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Already done--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 15:03, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2017

156.204.12.122 (talk) 19:53, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. SparklingPessimist ^{Scream at me!} 19:59, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

On the list for the #1 most viewed videos there is an issue

Phony photo booth should have reached the #1 most viewed video at 2,700,000 views and then MySpace -The Movie should have past it at 3,400,000 views. The way that it is written on list is wrong and does make sense unless both videos before it were removed before MySpace - The Movie was #1; I know this was not the case. Someone should fix it. Dariusmakescontent (talk) 15:36, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

No, it is correct--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 19:08, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

What actually happened was that both Chronic of Narnia Rap and Phony Photo Booth were, in fact, removed on February 17, 2006 (for copyright reasons), leaving MySpace - The Movie as #1 on Feb 18, 2006 with 2.7 million views.
(You may note a date mismatch here - it is deliberate; while there is no actual data proving this, it is almost certain that Touch of Gold was in fact the #1 most viewed video for several hours on Feb 17.) --85.140.255.27 (talk) 11:53, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 October 2017

Please change "In June 2015, only two videos, "Gangnam Style" and "Baby", had reached over a billion views." to "In June 2015, only three videos, "Gangnam Style", "Baby" and "Dark Horse", had reached over a billion views." BowiePro (talk) 23:40, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

The intention is to show that the number of videos with a billions views strongly increased in a short time span. So instead of making it three videos, I made the date more specific to exclude the third one, which reached 1 billion views somewhere between 19 and 23 June 2015. Gap9551 (talk) 00:11, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2017

Please change the number 1 to "Big Shaq - Mans not hot" because it currently has 4,871,526 views which overtakes Despacito Dubois Summers (talk) 17:37, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Not done: million is 1000 times smaller than billion. Cannolis (talk) 18:06, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 October 2017

Bruno Mars has 3 videos exceeding 1 billion views.Outdated information 183.82.133.3 (talk) 06:24, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Done--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 11:02, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Google indexing

I use Google Chrome and when I googled "most viewed youtube", I got two identical search results, the first one links to the article, the other one links to a redirect (List of most viewed YouTube videos). Ꞷumbolo 20:42, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Nicki Minaj also has two videos exceeding one million views

Nicki is featured on Ariana's Side to Side and has a song of her own (Bang Bang), she should be mentioned as an artist with two videos exceeding a million views!! Correct it please!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sergioca369 (talk • contribs)

Not done: Side to Side is a song by Ariana Grande, not Nicki Minaj--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 20:10, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 December 2017

Despacito 4.4 bn Ashuraaz23 (talk) 04:50, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

@Ashuraaz23:  Not done. Please clearly state what change you think needs to be made. Also, please provide a reliable source. CityOfSilver 05:07, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Mistake in the title

Wikipedia moderators, Ususally, I'd correct something like this myself, but this is a very popular and important article, so I'll leave it to you guys. The proper spelling is "most viewed". "Most-viewed" is simply wrong English. But as I said, I'll leave that one up to you guys.

84.81.40.9 (talk) 17:41, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Minor changes in 1st paragraph

Ed Sheeran by now also have two videos exceeding two billion views, not "only Swift and Perry" do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.202.129.194 (talk) 10:34, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Not yet--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 15:57, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

So Eds song is listed as 2 bill on the page but the video is in realtime 1,998,389,087 views , I do wish we could go back to real Numbers & not this add up on the page its confuzzness Pauseypaul (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:14, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

All views in the list are rounded, so 1.998 billion views = 2.00 billion views--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 16:25, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes I can see that but when is it rounded up? how many numbers ... can we get a set rule on this that does not get Archived ..maybe a Sticky Page (Hi this is how the numbers work) that sort of thing ... it would be of great help & maybe Stop an Editor adding untrue? numbers, because I am also confused now. Pauseypaul (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:06, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

For example if you have 1.994 billion views = 1.99 billion views, if you have 1.995.000.001 views = 2 billion views--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 17:25, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Ed Sheeran is listed on this page for - Thinking Out Loud - 2.00 , but in Real Time now it only has - 1,998,639,759 views so that makes it 2.00 ...why does it not also make it to the 5th paragraph as a not yet .. when its already on the page as 2.00. Could Somebody please be polite and Explain how the Editors are setting the Rules for Numbers on this page? Pauseypaul (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:56, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

A video has more than 2 billion views when its view count is at least 2,000,000,001. The value in billions, rounded to 2 decimals, becomes 2.00 at an earlier time, when the exact view count reaches 1,995,000,000. So it's possible for a video to be listed at the rounded value of 2.00 billion views in the table, while it hasn't reached exactly 2 billion views yet. Gap9551 (talk) 18:52, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Question:videos over 1 billion views

Now, in a point where there are 100 videos on this list, and 90 videos over 1 billion views, why don't we change this list to videos over 1 billion? We could expand this list for reasons. (90 videos for now) Please consider my opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luke Kern Choi 5 (talk • contribs) 05:19, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Gangnam Style/Baby 1B views by 2015

This passage in the intro is misleading "By June 21, 2015, only two videos, "Gangnam Style" and "Baby", had exceeded one billion views. However, three and a half months later, on October 7, ten videos had done so." It implies that Gangnam Style and Baby reached 1 billion views at a similar time around 2015, when in fact it was in 2012 and 2014 respectively. I understand that the passage is highlighting the boom in videos surpassing 1B around 2015 but the lack of clarification leads a casual reader to assume that Gangnam and Baby also did this in 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.128.246 (talk) 09:10, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Bug in Combined views for 2010 and 2011

Noticed that there's an error where the combined views for 2010 and 2011 are the wrong way around.

Currently, 2010 is listed as having a combined 7.30 billion views, and 2011 has 5.95. Since the article is semi-protected, and I'm a new user, I'm unable to implement this myself. If someone with the perms could make the appropriate edits, that'd be fantastic.

Cheers, Webbartemis (talk) 19:30, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 February 2018

The twenty one pilots music video: Stressed Out with 1.23 billion views cannot be found on this list, I propose it be added Youtube video in question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXRviuL6vMY Glaceon575 (talk) 01:59, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

@Glaceon575: It is currently at number 57 in the list. If you cannot see it in the list, please reply; there may be a technical problem. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 02:10, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

What is a "view"?

How much do you have to watch for it to count as a "view"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.191.58.223 (talk) 04:02, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 10:10, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Huh? Clearly I am requesting, if anyone knows the answer, that the article should explain what constitutes a "view". If I watch ten seconds and think "this is rubbish" and then close the video, is that a "view"? If I watch half? Two-thirds? 86.191.58.223 (talk) 20:24, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

This is only a list of most viewed videos, explain what constitutes a "view" is not relevant in this page--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 23:48, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Of course it is. Jeez, talk about making it hard work. 86.190.213.215 (talk) 01:00, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Not done: it isn't relevant--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 10:10, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Just a note this is Wiki & not YouTube you need to direct your view Qs to them this link may be of help https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2991785?hl=en-GB Pauseypaul (talk) 14:46, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Beautiful sentence

"Despacito became the first video to reach three billion views on August 4, 2017, followed by "See You Again" on August 6, 2017, and then on November 25, 2017, "Gangnam Style" became the third video to hit three billion views, followed by "Shape of You" on January 7, 2018, doing so in 343 days."

Very awkward sentence, certainly for the opening section. I did my best to improve a couple of days ago but see it back in the initial form.--Maxaxax (talk) 00:45, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Daddy have 3 videos over 1 billion, Despacito, Shaky Shaky, Andas En Mi Cabeza

What problem with this, and so many artist haven't been counted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dangminhbk (talk • contribs) 16:17, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Daddy Yankee has only one song over 1 billion views, because "Despacito" is a song by Luis Fonsi, and "Andas En Mi Cabeza" is a song by Chino & Nacho, not Daddy Yankee--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 17:03, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

I don't understand why it doesn't count, featuring artist in some case is very important. Does it applies in Justin Bieber case with "Where are you now" Dangminhbk (talk) 07:30, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Because "Where are you now" is a song by Jack Ü AND Justin Bieber--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 10:15, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

more than 100 video that have 1 Billion views

you should make this list as List of videos with more than 1 billion view. just a idea because as of 9 march there are more than 100 video that have 1 Billion views. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.139.122.120 (talk) 21:05, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Not done: It's already been decided that the list will remain composed of 100 songs, and the number will not increase--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 23:31, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Two issues

"By year of release" has zero secondary sources and should go away. I can't find any past discussions about it. Next, why do we have the video external links disguised as refs right after the video titles? If they prove the viewcount, they should go to the "Views" column. Otherwise, they violate WP:EL. (I am not watching this page, so please ping me if you want my attention.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wumbolo (talk • contribs) 21:13, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2018

I've found the news that marks the 5 bil. views of 'Despacito': https://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2018/04/04/despacito-has-just-become-the-first-video-to-reach-5-billion-views-on-youtube/#48c2dc854b21 Can you guys add the news as source for the article? Thanks to all who read this! Cccphp2002 (talk) 03:47, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Done--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 09:24, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2018

Becky G, Bad Bunny 1.1B Shawnmendes11 (talk) 19:58, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made.--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 21:06, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi Protected Edit Request - Tuesday 10th April 2018

Hi, I’ve found a reliable source citing that despacito has been removed from youtube due to a cyberattack on vevo http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-43712137 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.26.236.145 (talk) 10:56, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2018

Despacito just got removed from youtube, so it is no longer the active number 1 most viewed video. Daan03 (talk) 11:22, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

The video is back up and running it's just the title at the moment that is "Still" hacked. Pauseypaul (talk) 11:49, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

OK people are playing silly billys the whole link is dead again now! Pauseypaul (talk) 11:55, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

12:31 UTC - "Despacito" is avaliable on YouTube. --95.28.254.197 (talk) 12:32, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

 Not done for now: - we will let the situation stabilise, and then see if changes are required. - Arjayay (talk) 12:53, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2018

This is America by Childish Gambino should be added. 207.181.195.72 (talk) 04:43, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 06:46, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Childish Gambino "This is America is missing"

Hi, This is America by Childish Gambino is at 1.18 million, it should make the list. Thanks. See link This is America GypsyGoddess (talk) 16:10, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

It is at 118 million, this list's low end starts at 1 billion. It might get there, but not now. --Masem (t) 16:13, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

thanks. I just saw my error. :D — Preceding unsigned comment added by Standtall78 (talk • contribs) 17:25, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

New music videos / updates

I have only found one so far and it is Twenty One Pilots- Stressed Out. It currently (as of 5/28/18) has 1.348 billion views. Gogobo2 (talk) 05:34, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made.--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 09:13, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Justin Bieber has 6 videos now exceeding 1 billion

Someone please fix this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.167.180.89 (talk) 19:23, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Justin Bieber has 5 videos over 1 billion views, "I'm The One" isn't a Bieber song--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 21:51, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Then why is "Where are U now" counted? That's technically a Jack U song — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.167.180.89 (talk) 23:48, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

"Where Are Ü Now" is a single by Jack Ü with Justin Bieber, so it is counted--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 09:02, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm The One is also a single by DJ Khaled featuring Justin Bieber? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.167.180.89 (talk) 21:24, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

"I'm The One" is a single by DJ Khaled, not Justin Bieber, only the uploaders of the videos are attributed, the featured artists in music videos are not counted.--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 21:30, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Isn't "Where Are U Now" also uploaded by Jack U and featuring Justin Bieber? I don't understand why that counts if "I'm The One" doesn't. Not trying to be a dick just trying to understand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.167.180.89 (talk) 12:58, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Jack Ü AND Justin Bieber, not FEATURING, that's why the song it's counted--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 13:34, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Ah yes, I just noticed it does indeed say "with" not "featuring". Thanks for clearing it up! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.167.180.89 (talk) 16:16, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Don't mention it, bye--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 16:35, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Outdated Statistics

Many of the stats need to be updated. For instance, in the "Historical most viewed videos" section it states Despacito has approximately 2.93 billion views, rather than its actual 5.35 billion views — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justmakinsomeedits (talk • contribs) 07:13, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Not done: the section is correct--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 08:08, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Issues with the multi-N-billion-views artists paragraph

• As of July 2018, Justin Bieber is the only artist to have five videos exceeding one billion views, while Katy Perry, Bruno Mars and Nicky Jam have four. Taylor Swift, Calvin Harris, Shakira, Ariana Grande, Adele, The Chainsmokers, Ed Sheeran, Maluma and Enrique Iglesias each have three, and Fifth Harmony, Psy, Ellie Goulding, The Weeknd, Eminem, J Balvin, Ricky Martin, channel Get Movies, Sia, Luis Fonsi, Twenty One Pilots, Rihanna and Shawn Mendes each have two. Swift, Perry and Sheeran are the only artists to have two videos exceeding two billion views. Only the uploaders of the videos are attributed, the featured artists in music videos are not counted.

Is anyone else uncomfortable with how this paragraph is evolving, and/or its very existence? For starters, the "exceeding one billion views" part is going to go out of control very fast. By that I mean both the increasing difficulty to keep it consistent (i.e., to mention all the artists), and the readability problem caused by the exploding number of to-be-mentioned artists. There is already a noticeable amount of videos with 1B+ views which do make into the top 100. Add the many videos with 900M+ views, and you should see the problem. I know that there are external sources (e.g., kworb.net) which are routinely used to adjust the statistics. However, more ofthen than not, those sources only cover music videos. Moreover, with many videos exceeding N billions (with N = 2,3,4, and 5), the meaning itself of the paragraph is turning into something arbitrary. Maybe it is time to rethink/remove this paragraph (?) 2A00:23C5:340D:400:51AA:55D5:3E7B:A93D (talk) 17:12, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

I think the paragraph is fine. However I do agree that it may get out of hand when there is too many videos, but it is fine for now SportGuy002 (talk) 18:23, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

I agree with SportGuy002--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 18:48, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

I think that paragraph should be transformed into a table, like this:

Artists with multiple videos exceeding 1B

Artists	Amount of videos
Justin Bieber	5
Katy Perry, Bruno Mars, Nicky Jam	4
Taylor Swift, Calvin Harris, Shakira, Ariana Grande, Adele, The Chainsmokers, Ed Sheeran, Maluma and Enrique Iglesias	3
Fifth Harmony, Psy, Ellie Goulding, The Weeknd, Eminem, J Balvin, Ricky Martin, channel Get Movies, Sia, Luis Fonsi, Twenty One Pilots, Rihanna and Shawn Mendes	2

Artists with multiple videos exceeding 2B

Artists	Amount of videos
Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, Ed Sheeran	2

Does look more neatly doesn't it? RBJ~nlwiki 16:42, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

 Disagree I prefer without the table--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 12:03, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Agree Any constructive reason, besides preference? Soon Justin Bieber will have 3 video's above 2 billion views adding an other sentences, making it quite long and cumbersome, as pointed out by @SportGuy002:. RBJ~nlwiki (talk) 12:58, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

@RBJ~nlwiki: if you have the consensus you can insert the table, but now you don't have it, so please stop insert the table without the consensus--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 16:22, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

If the sentences will become long and cumbersome we can delete all--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 16:38, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

On second thoughts, the sentences are long and cumbersome enough, i prefer delete all now--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 18:31, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

• Delete the table(s) and the prose. In my view, it adds unnecessary fluff to the article. The information being proposed already exists in the main table. Strikerforce^Talk 20:11, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Video refs

The current method of "referencing" is slightly awkward. I strongly recommend do something like Maximum break using: <ref group="video">

That would place video refs in a separate section. Also, By year of release section does not appear to be actually referenced, since no link states those 5 are the actual top (is this OR?).Nergaal (talk) 23:13, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

This list is not maintainable

Besides being the pet project of a single user, this top 100 is completely unreferenceable. Currently there is no reference that keeps track of the views, and if the top of the list is probably accurate, the entries a the bottom can't possibly be maintained. AFAI can tell, there is nothing saying that the 100th entry isn't say actually the 105th where 5 videos somehow jumped past the "100th" in the past few days. Unless there is a satisfactory way to show the live-ranking with a 3rd party source, I strongly recommend thinking about modifying this list. Maybe group views by 100 millions? Nergaal (talk) 16:56, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

For the list I use this and this--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 17:07, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

First is not a reliable reference, second one does not cover non-music videos. Just looking at the second it looks to me like that with everything getting >1 million views a day, a giant part of the list needs updating every day. Per WP:NOTSTATS, you can't have just giant list that require complete updates. IMO, the list should either stop at 2 billion, 1.5 billion, or something like top50, with everything that is listed outside of that be grouped in 100 million views. That way, things could still be listed but would not require a full time job to maintain. Nergaal (talk) 22:42, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Also, there could be other top10 tables for oldest vids over 1 billion, another separate one with all 1+ bn non-music vids, another for most viewed restricted vids. Nergaal (talk) 22:47, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

I would simplify it and just have two "static," unranked lists: one for videos with 1 billion views+, and one for videos with 2 billion+. Samer (talk) 16:02, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

RfC: Expansion to 200 videos

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Should this list be expanded into two hundred videos instead of one hundred videos? When i searched the terms "top 100" and "top 200" it seems that the "top 200" had more attention when compared to the former. SMB99thx XD (contribs) 08:20, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Survey

• Expand as the nominator of this request. The arguments about why i supported the expansion would be shown in the thread discussion section below. SMB99thx XD (contribs) 08:20, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support. Citing WP:CSC,

  Short, complete lists of every item that is verifiably a member of the group. These should only be created if a complete list is reasonably short (less than 32K) and could be useful (e.g., for navigation) or interesting to readers.

The list will be shorter than 32K, especially so if the inline WP:EL-violating external links are removed. Therefore, I support expanding the list. wumbolo ^^^ 12:56, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

If you expand the list there will be another 100 songs to update, who's going to do that?--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 14:13, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

That's a complete non-argument. Two things can be done: a bot can update the list daily or weekly; or we can round down the precision of the views to two significant digits. wumbolo ^^^ 16:35, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

• Support - Summoned by bot. 200 since the list is still less than 32K, as noted above. Who's willing to update? Meatsgains^(talk) 01:31, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Thread discussion

Hi, it's long time since i was in here. Previously i have a promise in a dispute long ago about expanding YouTube video list to 50 videos from 30 videos that i will oppose any further expansion on this list, but seeing how far YouTube has going into become i will renege on that promise and support any expansion above 100+ videos, especially 200 videos. I would like further expansion for example expanding to 500+ videos, but by that point i think it was too large so i think 200 videos are enough. I remembered that there is a 200 top videos playlist and it was possibly managed by YouTube itself, but recently there is also an another playlist managed by YouTube itself (via Music): [1]. It's a top 200 music videos gathered by YouTube that was focused on the top videos in U.K. And i have seen searches on YouTube about top 100 and top 200, and when compared it's a fact that the "Top 200" videos had more video views in average (or having more attention) than the "top 100" one, so please before you argue about where i got this evidence, try to search with these terms in YouTube and compare the video views between these two. The most probable reason why it had more views probably Wikipedia doesn't have enough videos for one, so that was the reason most people searching for top lists are viewing videos on YouTube and not the Wikipedia one, so if i want to draw them out then we can expand this list to 200 videos. That was my arguments for expanding this list from one hundred videos to two hundred videos. Sorry if i sound like a stupid person, but that's my argument. Why i put this on RfC immediately because i can't take the risk of my edits being reverted and warned and remembering the dispute at long time ago. With that reason, this is it. I am so sorry if this RfC was taking long after a dispute and this long statement that may include broken English. Okay, that is what i will say all about this RfC and i will monitor the discussion about this. I will not reply as far as i can do. SMB99thx XD (contribs) 08:20, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

 Disagree 200 are really too many videos, 100 are enough--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 09:15, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

 Disagree 100 is just fine — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pauseypaul (talk • contribs) 11:40, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

 Disagree We really should only be the top 30. Things like "billion pages views" are now far too common to expand this to 100. Given that there will always be new videos added, we need to fix a number and stay with that. I would suggest that this could be split between "official music videos" and "others" (a top 30 for each) since there's a huge variation between those. --Masem (t) 16:20, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Can these "disagree" votes be elaborated a bit beyond WP:ILIKEIT? wumbolo ^^^ 16:14, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

I'd definitely argument mine on both WP:NOT#IINFO (no one has documented the top YT out to 100, much less 200). --Masem (t) 16:36, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

100 is already too long. I would have liked something round like above 1 billion views, but that is not feasible. I think top 50 or above 1.5 or 2 billion would be fine. Nergaal (talk) 10:27, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Agree Go for 200. The more, the better.--Maxaxax (talk) 03:32, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Semi-protected edit request on 26 August 2018

Add Shakira to list of artists with two videos exceeding 2 billion views. 98.194.200.172 (talk) 06:27, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Done--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 09:07, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Two questions/suggestions

This list is about videos, not necessarily music videos, however most of the videos listed are music videos.
I found quite interesting to read in the intro that "November Rain" by Guns N' Roses became the first video created before the YouTube era to reach this threshold, that is to say a billion views. What about having a list of "pre-YouTube (or pre-2005) most-viewed videos"? I do not know if such a list is viable (maybe it would be very difficult to draft and keep up-to-date), but it would be a great feature to this article or an interesting parallel article to this one.
Additionally, I would like to ask whether identical videos uploaded twice or more times could be jointly considered. For instance, YouTube features two identical "Nothing Else Matters" videos, with 376 and 185 million views respectively. Additionally, there are other videos of the identical studio-recorded song, including two with a combined 94 million views, but that is another sort of thing. I am sure that there are similar examples regarding newer songs. A list of YouTube most-viewed songs (I mean songs, not music videos), regardless of the number of times they have been uploaded with separate videos, would be interesting too. --Checco (talk) 08:10, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

@User:Luke Stark 96: You are the article's main (and virtually lone) contributor. Do you have any opinion? --Checco (talk) 10:15, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

@User:Luke Stark 96: I read your message on my user talk. Thanks for answering! I do not like discussing issues regarding articles in user talks (those issues might be interesting for other users too!) and I only write in English because this is en.Wikipedia (anyone should be able to read and understand): sorry about that!

Yes, my proposal is to have a list of pre-2005 music videos on YouTube!

Additionally, I was wondering whether we could add up the views of the same videos uploaded multiple times (for instance: "Nothing Else Matters").

What do you think? I do not want to add weight to you, just think if you like these ideas or not.

You can answer in Italian in my talk, but I will continue to answer to you in English here. Thanks and sorry again! --Checco (talk) 06:45, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

@Checco: for your second proposal (same videos uploaded multiple times) I'm not convinced, for the list pre-2005 you need a reference--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 12:23, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 September 2018

Zayn's Dusk till dawn also has a billion views but sadly its not in the list 103.216.207.85 (talk) 07:15, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Is not in the list because it has "only" 1 billion views, the 100th song has 1.12 billion views--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 09:16, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Adding Ozuna to the artist alongside Justin Bieber for 5 videos exceeding 1 billion views

Ozuna also has 5 videos exceeding 1 billion plus views. Checkout the list for yourselves. I am not just sure whether to add him or not just coz he is a featured artist Itsvidj (talk) 09:18, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Ozuna has only 2 videos exceeding 1 billion plus views: "Criminal" and "El Farsante (remix)", because in this list only the uploaders of the videos are attributed, the featured artists in music videos are not counted.--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 10:07, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Numb

Now that "Numb" has 1 billion views, "I'm a Gummy Bear (The Gummy Bear Song)" is no longer the oldest video to receive 1 billion views. This needs to be added. RugratsFan2003 (talk) 02:20, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Already done: "The Gummy Bear Song" is the oldest YouTube video on the top 100 to exceed one billion views --Luke Stark 96 (talk) 09:52, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

List of >1 bn views

This list seems to be possibly useful to follow the rough total count of of billionare videos on YT. Somebody registered should put it in at least as an external link. 205.175.106.187 (talk) 05:21, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

No because it isn't a reliable source--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 09:56, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

And what reliable source exists for the listed 2019 numbers or for the early years? 205.175.106.187 (talk) 22:45, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2019

Only two non-music videos are featured in the top 30 most-viewed. Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, Ed Sheeran, Shakira and Justin Bieber are the only artists to have two videos exceeding two billion views. Should be changed to:

Only two non-music videos are featured in the top 30 most-viewed. Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, Ed Sheeran, Shakira, Maroon 5 and Justin Bieber are the only artists to have two videos exceeding two billion views. Girls Like You and Sugar 91.140.100.81 (talk) 00:16, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Done--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 00:21, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Restore original list of 30 most-viewed videos?

​​​​After the close of the recent AfD discussion, I had trimmed the list of most-viewed YouTube videos down to the top 30 most-viewed videos as it was suggested multiple times in the article. However, this trim was recently reverted by Superjombonbo, so now another discussion is warranted as to whether the list should be trimmed. I have courtesy pinged some of the users involved in the original discussion for input regarding this. Jalen D. Folf (talk) 06:28, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

I reverted Superjombonbo, because I think he didn't read the discussion, so he doesn't have the consensus to revert the trim. I completely agree with this trim, 100 videos was really too much, expecially for me, because I'm the "updater" of the page, I think top 30 is perfect--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 08:52, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Actually I did read the discussion and it seems like keeping it at 100 was suggested multiple times in the article. Also, 30 is not a lot and leaves out a lot of videos, providing less information and less statistics. Having only a top 30 leaves a lot of undercoverage for songs that deserve recognition, and excludes a lot of songs on the top 5 per year. THerefore I think we should keep it at 100. --Superjombonbo (talk) 09:41, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

But I'm the one who's doing the hard work to update this list every day, not you, and 100 videos are too much--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 09:47, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

I agree. 100 videos is too much, especially when ALL of the videos on that list already have a billion views, but didn’t achieve any other means of notability. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 15:46, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

30 should be used because that has been traditionally what third-parties have documented in the past about the top videos on YT. --Masem (t) 15:51, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

I agree with Masem and also with Yoshiman6464, in fact the 100th video has more than 1.2 billion views--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 16:54, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

I think it actually makes sense to focus on more than a small group of videos now that they can get way more views, as there are now significant videos that aren't in the top 100. Also, as Superjombonbo said, it cuts out several of the top 5 songs per year. --Plastictreeman22 (t) 9:54, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

I think it isn't so important if with "only" 30 videos we cut out several of the top 5 songs per year, because "top videos" and "by year of release" are two different and separate list, and we are talking about "top videos", not the other list; in addition, you said that "it actually makes sense to focus on more than a small group of videos", but it is an hard work update 100 videos every day, instead it is easier update 30 videos, what do you think about this? Have you ever thought about this hard updating work?--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 22:58, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

I have no issue with keeping the top 5 (or 10 even) videos at per the end of each year, which should remain static numbers set at the end of each year. It gives an idea of how YT's videos have changed over time. --Masem (t) 23:35, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

For "by year of release" I think five videos of each year are enough--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 00:01, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

IMO, I believe that "by year of release" isn't needed in in this article. This article is meant to be the "List of most-viewed YouTube videos". Most of the years (especially the early ones) do not have any videos that were ever the most popular on the site. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 02:05, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

How about 50? Would that be a solid compromise? Paintspot Infez (talk) 00:55, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

The problem is that the growth of the list from 30 to what it is now has always been "a compromise". We need to stick to a small number. We can provide links to YT pages that list the top videos by viewership if readers need to see beyond that. --Masem (t) 01:16, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

I agree, on this list people can see the top 30, and then, they can take a look to one of the many sources we have, and they can see hundred and hundred of videos--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 08:54, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

I perfectly agree with User:Superjombonbo, as well as User:Plastictreeman22. There was NEVER a consensus on trimming the list, either at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of most-viewed YouTube videos or here. We should focus primarily on the fact that the shortening of the list was not decided through consensus. I would go back to 100 videos, then we can discuss and achieve a compromise on a lower number. Before consensus is achieved, the long established version should stay. One more thing: not only I defend the "By year of release" section, but I would like it to be implented with 10 videos per year. --Checco (talk) 10:56, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

I have already said that it is a very hard work to update 100 videos every day and you want to increase the number of videos in the other list? I completely  Disagree with this, 5 videos are enough, we can't increase this--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 11:05, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Other users may possibly help. And... why 30 and not 20 or 10? --Checco (talk) 12:29, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

I completely agree with Masem: "30 should be used because that has been traditionally what third-parties have documented in the past about the top videos on YouTube", and also: in the last year and a half I have been the only one "updater" of the page, so "Other users may possibly help", but who?--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 12:43, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Please provide those "third-party sources" you are talking about. Let's go back to 100 and surely I will help you with updates, maybe not everyday, but that is not necessarily needed. Possibly also User:Paintspot, User:Dieter Mueller, User:Skirts89, User:Spirit of Eagle, User:89ezagonoszkommunistanacionalista64, User:Wikiman5676, User:LABcrabs, User:Garlicolive, User:Superjombonbo, User:Plastictreeman22 and User:0737290632t2x273n will help. I recall that even User:Masem earlier supported at least 50 videos. Please let's go back to consensus, let's go back to 100. --Checco (talk) 13:55, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Exactly. No consensus was reached on the list's length, so it should be brought back to how it was before the AFD. Paintspot Infez (talk) 13:57, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

There isn't also the consensus for top 100, because me, Masem, Yoshiman6464 and also LABcrabs disagree with this, they are too much--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 14:12, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

You were a tiny minority among the users who participated in that AfD. By the why, the real point is that, until a new consensus is achieved, the previous consensus should be upheld. No new consensus was achieved! --Checco (talk) 14:15, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

I'm very curious to see who is going to update all the top 100 + by year of release when I'll stop update, we'll see..... because you can't update this list "maybe not everyday, but that is not necessarily needed"--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 14:19, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

I would do it at least once a week. Would other users help me with that? --Checco (talk) 14:21, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

You don't understand, if you decide to keep 100 videos you have to update them EVERY DAY, it is not an easy work, trust me--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 14:24, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Why that? It is not necessary to have lists updated everyday. This is just your own interpretation. --Checco (talk) 14:26, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Can't there be a script which does this? It would also be useful in other Wikipedia dynamic lists. Karmanyaahm (talk) 15:31, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

I once thought people used scripts for the list update, but as it is I understand Luke Stark, the truth is that today 1 billion views is not what it used to be, so naturally it would be wise to trim the list, 100 videos seems unnecessary, I would be in favor of a compromise of 50, but considering that the historical record is preserved on the by year lists, 30 videos would not lead to a huge loss of information. Garlicolive (talk) 18:48, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Having 100 listings is excessive in my opinion; this goes well beyond what the secondary sources care about and strains the ability of our editors to keep this list up to date. I’ll support 30 listings since this addresses my concerns and because 30 is a reasonable round number. Also, I don’t think the AfD counts as meaningful consensus. While a lot of editors discussed the ideal listing count, the primary focus was on whether to keep or delete the list and there was little actual agreement about what the proper list size was. This is the appropriate place to make that determination. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 19:37, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Surely, this is the appropriate place, in fact I was surprised that the AfD was used as the basis for trimming the list.

This said, I acknowledge the lack of enthusiasm over my proposal to go back to 100, let alone for updating the list (that is User talk:Luke Stark 96's strongest argument for trimming it). However, 30 makes little sense to me (why not 20, then? it is a more rounded number!).

I am thus proposing two compromise options:

• listing the top 50 videos (a compromise between 30 and 100);
• listing all the videos above 2 billion views, no matter how many they are.

--Checco (talk) 11:14, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

I don't like so much the second proposal, because it is not a static number, now there are 31 videos over 2 billion views, but this number will increases in the future. For the first proposal, 50 videos are a good compromise, although I prefer 30--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 12:55, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

After reading through most of this talk page, I agree that a list including 100 videos is excessive. However, cutting out 70 of these videos also sounds excessive. As a regular visitor of this article, I can say that coming to this article and finding that the list contains less than half of the amount of information as it did before would be a let-down. That is why I think it is best to trim the list down to somewhere between 50 and 80 videos. If needed, the list could be continually but gradually needed from there.0737290632t2x273n (talk) 19:08, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

I would restore the 100-long list, but it is clear that, as of today, only User:Luke Stark 96 is working on it. The reason for me is that I disagree with him/her that the list should be updated every single day. However, User:Luke Stark 96 should be credited for his/her work and his/her say is important. Would a 50-long list be a good compromise and, above all, something that you could manage? --Checco (talk) 07:32, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

I have already written my opinion about top 50 (above), but I want to know the opinion of the other users who disagree with top 100--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 13:07, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

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This video is missing in the 2006 top 5!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE-1RPDqJAY — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.36.56.240 (talk) 00:20, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Not done: it hasn't enough views--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 16:18, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 April 2019

Congratulations by PewdiePie has 30 million+ views, therefore should be on the list of top viewed in 2019. 2600:8804:8940:5870:5149:61AE:5687:CF0B (talk) 02:16, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Not done: it hasn't enough views--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 16:18, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2019

Sin Pijama is with Becky G and Natti Natasha. Alee alemn (talk) 08:37, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made.--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 08:57, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2019

change "As of April 2019, Justin Bieber is the only artist to have five videos exceeding one billion views, while Katy Perry, Bruno Mars, Nicky Jam, Shakira, J Balvin and Taylor Swift have four."

to "As of April 2019, Justin Bieber and Sia are the only artists to have five videos exceeding one billion views, while Katy Perry, Bruno Mars, Nicky Jam, Shakira, J Balvin and Taylor Swift have four." 90.243.113.156 (talk) 04:16, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Not done: Sia has three videos over 1 billion views, because only the uploaders of the videos are attributed--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 08:07, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

edit: If only uploaders are attributed, Justin Bieber only has four videos exceeding one billion views — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.243.113.156 (talk) 08:56, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

No because "Where are Ü now" is a song by both Jack Ü AND Justin Bieber, so it is counted--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 09:03, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2019

Change the fifth most viewed video in 2019 (under the "By year of release" section), which was previously "Un Año" by Sebastián Yatra, to FlareTV's "PEWDIEPIE VS T-SERIES LIVE SUB COUNT: WHO WILL PREVAIL?", because it currently has 0.24 billion views, and was uploaded on February 6, 2019. Here is a link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVxU2HzPGug Flaretv9 (talk) 03:20, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

 Not done for now: @Flaretv9: As of now the video is not showing total views and therefore I have no way at this time to verify it has 0.24 billion views unlike "Un Año" which is easily verifiable. I would recommend also reading up on WP:COI as your username and the name of the YouTube channel in question implies some sort of Conflict of Interest. If there is a conflict of interest in the future you may want to use {{Request edit}} for future requests even if this page becomes unprotected or you meet the guidelines to edit semi-protected pages. If another experienced editor can verify this video has 0.24 billion views and beats "Un Año" then they can implement this request but at this time I have to decline for now. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 06:44, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Entries with this background color and a dagger (†) indicate that the upload is not a music video

Why is the dagger necessary, isn't the yellow background color enough? Rolando 1208 (talk) 21:40, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Per Wikipedia:MOS, don't use only color--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 23:52, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Why is "Wheels on the Bus" not considered to be a music video?

It's literally an hour of music videos — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.108.163.220 (talk) 00:40, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Baby Shark Dance

This article makes a big deal about how many videos are "not a recording artist's music video." I would argue that "Baby Shark Dance" is not. I see how you can kind of argue that it's a music video, but then "Wheels on the Bus" and "Evolution of Dance" are too. I think the best option is to reclassify "Baby Shark Dance," and clarify the language. If nobody objects, I will make these changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Howrad (talk • contribs) 18:28, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

"Music videos" are nearly always released by the music publisher as a promotional venue to sell more copies of the song/album. Clearly, taking Evolution of Dance, there's no promotional element involved (outside of views). While Im sure Baby Shark is promotion, its not to buy more music but to get parents to have their kids look at other videos on their channel as to get advertising revenue. --Masem (t) 19:07, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

@Masem: what do you think about "Wheels on the Bus"? Because it is a 54 minutes compilation of kids songs, like Baby Shark, so it is a music video too?--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 19:27, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Nope, it's not a "music video" as something like Gangham Style. It's not trying to sell more songs/albums, but get views and advertizing dollars. --Masem (t) 19:34, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Or to restart: Baby Shark should not be a music video. There's no record/album publisher behind it. --Masem (t) 19:35, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

@Masem: but Baby Shark is available on iTunes, there is an album behind it and it has a gold certification in the United Kingdom, so it is a commercial song, so I think it is a music video--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 20:26, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Then I guess it is, but then that makes a good defining line: if the song in the "music video" is available from a service like iTunes, by the same company that published the video or a related agency, then its clearly a "music video". This would also cover cases of, say, a user making their own video for a popular song but are not the publisher of that song. --Masem (t) 20:58, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Actually, Evolution of Dance is a promotional video for Judson Laipply's inspirational speaker business. There's a line here, but it's hard to define. Maybe using terms like "traditional mainstream recording artist." Howrad (talk) 21:21, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

But you cannot go out and buy the single he uses on iTunes or other music sites. That's the difference. Nor does he have the rights to that music (video yes). --Masem (t) 21:47, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

The statement about music videos or some version of it is written at least 5 times in this article, in slightly different ways. So what's the succinct statement that clearly divides Baby Shark from Wheels on the Bus and Evolution of Dance? Howrad (talk) 22:19, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Actually, I just realized, the songs from Wheels on the Bus are available on iTunes. I think the point that this article is trying to make though is about traditional mainstream recording artists. Said another way, "is this the type of music video you might see on MTV or VH1?" Howrad (talk) 22:38, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

I don't see a connection between the video uploader and the itunes publisher. They're obviously the same "songs" but not from the same group. But yes, I think it should be obvious that music videos are generally material you'd see on those networks. --Masem (t) 22:59, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

The video uploader and the iTunes publisher are both "Little Baby Bum," with the same logo. Are you voting for calling Wheels on the Bus a music video, or for calling Baby Shark not a music video? I do think arguments can definitely be made both ways, but I think the long-term history and intent of this article would be to call Baby Shark not a music video. Howrad (talk) 23:10, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

So we don't have a real definition of "music video" or "non-music video". I have a proposal: can we delete this information about this difference? This is the page about the most viewed videos, I think it isn't so important if the videos are music video or not--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 23:32, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

It's a compromise that I can't say I really love. Masem? Howrad (talk) 18:24, 29 May 2019 (UTC)