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Sport

For discussion: is there place on the page for all-time videos by category, like sport videos for example:

Rank	Video name	Sport	Views (millions)	Upload date
1.	Top 20 Knockouts in UFC History	MMA	69.5	2013, 11/11
2.	"The NFL: A Bad Lip Reading" — A Bad Lip Reading of the NFL	American football	68.5	2013, 1/15
3.	The Dirty Side of El Clasico - Fights, Fouls, Dives & Red Cards	Football	67.5	2013, 11/8
4.	600lbs Sumo Vs 169lbs MMA Fighter	MMA	51.7	2011, 9/25
5.	Cristiano Ronaldo Best Skills & Goals Ever	Football	47.5	2006, 3/4
6.	Sports Pictures Taken at Just the Right Moment	Various sports	40.8	2012, 8/28
7.	Mike Tyson vs. Sammy Scaff	Boxing	40.0	2011, 7/17
8.	Ronaldinho vs Cristiano Ronaldo	Football	39.7	2009, 9/19
9.	’More NFL’ — A Bad Lip Reading of the NFL	American football	39.0	2014, 6/24
10.	Ronaldinho & Messi. The Movie. Two Legends - One Story	Football	38.8	2014, 3/14
11.	Top 10 Smart Penalty Goals in Football	Football	38.2	2016, 10/23
12.	Comedy Football	Football	38.0	2007, 3/5
13.	’NFL 2015’ — A Bad Lip Reading of the NFL	American football	37.9	2015, 1/22
14.	Funny Football	Football	37.5	2006, 10/23
15.	Michael Jordan Top 50 All Time Plays	Basketball	37.3	2013, 2/13
16.	LeBron Tackles Heat Fan Who Hits $75,000 Shot	Basketball	36.8	2013, 1/25
17.	Funniest Fight Ever	MMA	35.8	2012, 1/9
18.	War of Titans in MMA!	MMA	35.1	2016, 5/10
19.	Craziest Skills Ever. C.Ronaldo, Neymar, Messi, Ronaldinho	Football	34.3	2014, 11/11
20.	Tyson vs. Lewis Knockout Punch	Boxing	32.4	2007, 12/10
21.	Bob Sapp vs. Mike Tyson	Boxing	30.8	2006, 12/6
22.	Zlatan Ibrahimovic. Craziest Skills Ever. Impossible Goals	Football	30.0	2015, 10/15
23.	Cristiano Ronaldo vs Lionel Messi. Masterpiece 2015/2016	Football	29.8	2015, 8/20
24.	Arnold Schwarzenegger Training	Body building	29.3	2007, 1/18
25.	Messi con 10 años	Football	28.9	2010, 2/26
26.	NBA Slam Dunk Contest - Michael Jordan vs Dominique Wilkins	Basketball	28.3	2007, 2/20
27.	Top 10 Unsportsmanlike Moments in Pro Sports	Various sports	27.0	2014, 2/15
28.	Ronaldinho Tribute - Impossible to Forget	Football	26.9	2012, 4/9
29.	Cristiano Ronaldo - The Master of Skills HD Ultimate Video by TeoCR	Football	26.4	2012, 28/10
30.	Arnold Schwarzenegger Bodybuilding Training - No Pain No Gain 2013	Body building	26.2	2013, 5/3
31.	Top 10 Funniest Moments in Cricket History - HD (Updated 2014)	Cricket	26.1	2014, 5/18
32.	Ronaldo	Football	26.0	2005, 11/8
33.	Top 10 Most Shocking Boxing Moments / Scandals	Boxing	25.3	2015, 5/11
34.	Cristiano Ronaldo Amazing Freestyle Football Skills. Number 5	Football	24.6	2009, 5/11
35.	Top 10 Crazy Moments in Sports	Various sports	24.4	2014, 2/15
36.	Ronaldinho humilha Robinho	Football	24.3	2007, 4/12
37.	Zinedine Zidane - the Maestro of the Decade	Football	24.2	2011, 8/5
37.	Top 5 Freakiest Bodybuilders Ever in Bodybuilding History	Body building	24.2	2016, 10/22
39.	When Boxers Lose Control. Part 4	Boxing	24.1	2015, 6/6
40.	Biggest Football Hits Ever	American football	24.0	2015, 8/4
41.	Shaq, LeBron, Dwight Howard All-Star Dance-Off	Basketball	23.6	2007, 2/18
42.	Ronaldinho & Robinho	Football	23.4	2007, 6/6
43.	FC Barcelona vs AC Milan - Ronaldinho: Return of the King - 25/08/10	Football	23.0	2010, 8/25
44.	Cristiano Ronaldo Freestyle Skills. Number 5. Players Lounge	Football	22.9	2009, 9/18
45.	Top Insane Cricket Fights – India 2016	Cricket	22.8	2016, 6/3
45.	Muhammad Ali - Amazing Speed	Boxing	22.8	2012, 7/2
47.	Top 20 Submissions in UFC History	MMA	21.8	2013, 11/13
48.	Funniest Red Cards in Football (Soccer) History. Top 10	Football	21.5	2015, 3/27
49.	Driscoll Middle School Trick Play	American football	21.4	2016, 10/21
50.	Top Funny Moments in Football. Are You Ready!	Football	21.2	2014, 10/18
51.	Mike Tyson Knockout Collection	Boxing	21.1	2006, 12/1
52.	Usain Bolt Wins Olympic 100m Gold. London 2012 Olympic Games	Track and field	21.0	2012, 8/5
53.	Football Skills - Zidane, Ronaldo and Ronaldinho	Football	20.9	2006, 6/18
54.	Real Madrid vs Barcelona 0-4. All Goals and Full Highlights. English Commentary	Football	20.8	2015, 11/22
55.	Football Respect. Beautiful Moments. 2002-2015. Football is Nothing without Respect. Part 4	Football	20.7	2015, 7/5
56.	Where Sports Meets Humanity! Amazing Video!	Various sports	20.5	2013, 10/18
56.	Top Ten Trick Plays of College Football	American football	20.5	2013, 2/19
56.	Mourinho provoca a Messi	Football	20.5	2011, 8/17
56.	MMA Fighter vs Sumo	MMA	20.5	2013, 6/29
60.	Football Respect. Beautiful Moments	Football	20.4	2015, 2/15
61.	Usain Bolt - 6 World Records in 100m (9.72, 9.69, 9.58), 200m (19.30 19.19), 4x100m relay (37.10)	Track and field	20.2	2009, 8/29

Updated: March 21, 2017

Note: The category includes professional competitive sport. Excluded are entertainment sport with predetermined result (WWE), amateur sports (parcour and street football) and activities prohibited by respective sport federations (body building using growth steroid prohibited by IFBB). Sport stars’ trainings and actions performed during official competitions (“Lebron James Tackles Heat Fan” and "All-Star Dance") are included, but not other celebrities performing in competitions (superbowl songs), nor other activities involving sport stars (commercials, movies trailers, music clips, undercover actions and other events from non-professional life). Also excluded are dedicated or related to sport music videos (Shakira’s “Waka-Waka…” and body building stimulation music), and sport animation and montage videos.--Maxaxax (talk) 06:27, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Shortening of the list

The list started with a few entries, and has now expanded to the most viewed 80 videos. There are 52 videos which exceeded 1 billion views, as of this writing, and the number is only expected to increase. Wikipedia is not a directory, and the long list will only keep getting longer. I suggest truncation of the list to 50 or so entries. RoCo^(talk) 10:55, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

I personally do not agree with any truncation that doesn't include the entire billion view club (at least, not until the two billion view club grows to something actually noticeable). I don't have an idea about why the recent expansions keep happening, however (I really like them, mind you, but they're still weird). --85.140.243.153 (talk) 00:56, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

The list should not be truncated. The less-than-billion list allows people to find out which videos are next to reach a billion views. I project, for example, that "Despacito" by Luis Fonsi should reach one billion views in about eight days. -Mardus /talk 16:54, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Helpful Site?

I don't know if this will help this article expanding, but I have this website. This might not be reliable, may not include non-music video. Thanks, and please check.Luke Kern Choi 5 (talk) 00:05, 11 June 2017 (UTC) http://kworb.net/youtube/topvideos.html

Semi-protected edit request on 6 July 2017

Justin Bieber has got FIVE videos with more than one billion views, not four. (Or does 'where are Ü now' not count?) 83.81.39.54 (talk) 17:43, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

I wouldn't think Where Are Ü Now would count, considering Bieber was a featured artist on the track. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 18:52, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Last time I checked it only had 950 million views, so the question is moot for the moment, anyway. 85.140.243.101 (talk) 18:00, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

 Not done for now Please establish consensus for this change before using the edit protected template. --Izno (talk) 19:30, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Separate lists for music and non-music videos?

Seeing that of the 80 videos on the list, only three aren't music videos, and furthermore, those three are children's content, why not have a separate list for non-music videos? I strongly suggest it. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 23:50, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

This had been discussed a few times previously; if I recall correctly, this is considered original research and disallowed due to that. (Well, the non-music list, anyway; the Kworb site has a music-only list, but that one is of course hardly needed.)
Besides, as far as I can tell, you'd only get more children's content [total in top 500: 9 Masha episodes, 11 song collections, 6 other obvious kid videos], a bunch of unboxing and candy opening videos - essentially also children's content [12 in top 500], Charlie Bit My Finger, maybe the thigh massage video [not in top 500], and maybe one or two more virals [one in top 500, and it also involves kids] depending on how long your list goes. [Okay, apparently also a YouTube Rewind announcement and a Subway Surfers trailer.] I doubt that this is what you were looking for. --85.140.243.101 (talk) 18:28, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Well, IDK why that would be considered original research, since YouTube gives clear view counts. About the other videos, I say let the list speak for itself. Only videos that are music or lyric videos should be separated, which could also include some of the children song videos. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 00:21, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2017

Add Daddy Yankee in the list of two videos over 1 billion on YouTube. And please keep an eye because his third video is also going to over 1 billion views. maliki (talk) 15:30, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 16:12, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2017

For the historical most viewed videos, change the 13 to 14 (Where it says the top X videos to become youtube's most video) because a new video became the most viewed video. Also put a comma at 1689. 71.179.19.89 (talk) 22:03, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

 Done —  Andreyyshore  T  C  22:14, 10 Jul 2017 (UTC) 

Note: Marking as answered. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 23:13, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Right, thanks, forgot about that. —  Andreyyshore  T  C  00:37, 13 Jul 2017 (UTC) 

This list needs to be brought back to 30 videos

There is no reason to expand this beyond 30 top videos. Yes, this means several 1B+ vidoes may drop off, but that's no longer a valuable metric anymore. Without fixing a number, this will keep growing and growing and become just statistics. A top 30 is a very small slice to give an idea of what sits in the top. --MASEM (t) 23:03, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

@Masem: I think there should be a cutoff eventually, but I think 30 videos is too small of a slice. The cutoff should be at or less than 100 in any case though, as the list keeps growing to make room for billion-view videos. JakeR (talk) 16:58, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

But what happens when there are 100+ 1B-view videos? The 1B view element of a video has clearly lost its novelty given how fast some rise. All this list should be is a slice of what gains popular views on YT, not so that we can include all videos with certain view counts. --MASEM (t) 17:07, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

@Masem: Honestly, I think 100 should be the absolute upper limit to the size of the list, as 100 is a lot(probably too many). 30 would make it concise, though, and give an idea of the popular videos. But, should/could we state the number of videos over 1 billion views, without including all of them, or would that serve a purpose? JakeR (talk) 17:17, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

It would be fine to say "As of (date), NN videos have received over 1 billion views." --MASEM (t) 17:40, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

@Masem: I think that could be a compromise. JakeR (talk) 18:06, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Also, how would we keep the fastest videos to get one or two billion views up to date, or would it have to be reworked? JakeR (talk) 18:09, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

What about 50? I think 30 is concise, but maybe too concise. I think a list of 50 could work, but I understand that could be a hassle to edit/too large and could be considered arbitrary. JakeR (talk) 18:18, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

While 30 might be too little, I do agree that 80 is overkill. 50 sounds like a reasonable limit for the tables, and we can use "*insert number* videos have surpassed 1 billion views on YouTube" somewhere in the lead. Snuggums (talk / edits) 13:58, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

50 might be okay, but it has to be a very hard limit. The problem previously is that 30 slowly crept up to 80 without too much discussion. 50 is the highest I could reasonably see for both a WP:NOT stanced (not statistic, not indiscriminate information) as well as in terms of maintenance. I'm still of the believe that we don't need the daily updates people want to do to this table, once a week or 2 weeks or a month should be sufficient, and at least with 30 or 50 its not too difficult to do that. 80+ is crazy.

In terms of the fastest videos, as long as we're not doing original research , we're fine. That means that the 1B view level is fine (since that's very much sourced) but the rate to 2B is not appropriate because that's a metric we (as WP editors) have decided on, and while the rate is verifyable, no one else has noted that. So it starts to get into the area of WP:TRIVIA. --MASEM (t) 14:03, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Expand list to 100?

Is it possible to expand list from 80 to 100 most viewed videos on Youtube — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.178.123.252 (talk) 10:20, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Gangnam Style stats

While this video is no longer the most viewed on YouTube, it does have some milestones here that can be used. Snuggums (talk / edits) 14:00, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

• Rest in peace GANGNAM STYLE see you again Magne budho (talk) 11:10, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

How to edit?

Hi I'm new to Wikipedia but I constantly check this page and would like to help with upkeep. How could I do this considering the page's semi protected status? Nyfe99 (talk) 15:51, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 July 2017

Change Despacito to 2.655B because it is now at 2,655,480,004 views 172.222.132.134 (talk) 16:34, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Already done jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 17:16, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Status of featured artists?

I think Daddy Yankee should be included in the lead, in the list of artists with two videos over 1 billion views. He has Shaky Shaky, with 1.003 billion, and he appears in Despacito, 2.5 billion views.

Another user has reverted my edits, pointing that Daddy Yankee is a featured artist in Despacito and not the lead singer, which is actually right.

So this got me thinking: for that list, should we count only the lead artist, or also the featured artists? In case we do the first, the list is coomplete as it is right now. In case we count also featured artists, we should include Daddy Yankee, Nicky Minaj and Enrique Iglesias.

Any opinions? Not A Superhero (talk) 14:32, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

I think we should consider the lead artist, absolutely.--201.176.219.79 (talk) 15:19, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

New graph/expansion for historical most viewed videos section

The current graph for most viewed videos from 2012-present caps out at 3 billion, which Despacito will soon surpass. Either a New chart needs to be created or the current one needs to be expanded along the y axis to resolve this issue. Nyfe99 (talk) 06:17, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Section "By year of release"

I think we have to put the views of the videos in the year that it was released. For example, in 2012 "Gangnam Style" was the most viewed video of 2012, with more than 1000 millions views. Well, we have to put the numbers in that way, because the "traffic" of Internet was growing year by year, and we could visualize the impact of one video more accurately. Thanks!--201.176.219.79 (talk) 15:38, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

We already have that, it's the "Historical most viewed videos" section.
It would be nice to have a (relatively) complete timeline of, say, the top 5 (or even the top 2), but there's not much data on that, and it will probably be original research anyway (it doesn't help that occasionally the official and unofficial lists diverged - briefly even all the way to #1 most viewed).
It's an interesting project though - maybe I'll tackle it sometime! --85.140.250.214 (talk) 16:31, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Reading the comments in the videos, for example, "Gangnam Style" reached 1 billion views on December 21, 2012. So, what i want to say, is that "By year of released" section doesn't refflect the relative success of a particular video. I think you understand me! If I've got some time, I'd help in this project too.--201.176.217.14 (talk) 15:41, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

LP video (What i've done) surpassed #4/#5 top videos on 2007, pls replace it. 95.83.188.99 (talk) 13:20, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

The New Chart is here

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=See_You_Again_(music_video)&action=edit&section=4 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:7970:1000:4DBC:2FEE:8C5A:C31C (talk) 05:09, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

List of Most Viewed Videos by Year section improvement

If the view counts on videos in this section are left unedited after the end of the specific year, it would be a better representation of how YouTube videos were watched during that year. For example, if the view counts on the top five most viewed videos of 2016 were left unedited after December 31 that year, it would be clear how many views on the videos were from that year as opposed to how many have been added to it since. Just a suggestion, though. Thoughts? Dramaticmusic (talk) 07:32, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 August 2017

In the note tag for the song Despacito, after it hit 3 billion views, an editor did not use a space after the ref tag 11. There should be a space after the closing ref tag and before this sentence starting "first video to reach 3 billion views...". 86.180.71.223 (talk) 15:14, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Done jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 17:59, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Daddy Yankee has 3 videos with over 1 billion views each, gotta update that.--64.237.227.253 (talk) 00:47, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Daddy Yankee only seems to have two videos with over 1 billion views each (Despacito and Shaky Shaky), according to the top 80. Dramaticmusic (talk) 07:35, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Daddy Yankee have only Shaky Shaky over 1 billion views, Despacito is a Luis Fonsi's song--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 07:52, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Actually Daddy Yankee is also featured in Andas en mi Cabeza which also has 1 billion views, but yeah is not his song so so far only Shaky Shaky is his only song with 1 billion views.PSNFinozzi1696 (talk) 15:46, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Most viewed of 2016

Rockabye exceeded We don't talk anymore. --186.29.229.239 (talk) 23:57, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Done--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 08:53, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 August 2017

SONIC32 (talk) 21:06, 14 August 2017 (UTC) For edit a texts

Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 21:12, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Life Goes On - Tupac is the second most viewed YT video uploaded in 2005

Why isn't here stated the "Life Goes On - Tupac" in the chart of most viewed videos by year of upload. It has more than 90 million views, so it should be on 2nd place there. Lemoe4 (talk) 20:42, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Done--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 22:02, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protection

Why is this page semi-protected and what needs to happen in order to remove the semi protection status? Ikrewrwe (talk) 11:23, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Correction to most viewed video from 2005

As of now, the fifth most viewed video in the section for videos released in 2005 is "Insane Human Beat Box", at 43 million views. I found out that the video "Baltimora - Tarzan Boy" , uploaded by nailofgilead on November 2, 2005 has 59 million views. Can someone correct the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plazasta (talk • contribs) 21:48, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Done--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 21:55, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Section suggestion

Add a column with the genre(s) of the songs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.189.218.133 (talk) 00:00, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

La Bicicleta

Hi @Luke Stark 96:, why did you undo the edition made by @Juan C. S. H.: regarding Shakira as having three songs with more than 1 billion views? La bicicleta is a song from both Carlos Vives and Shakira, it is not a song from Carlos Vives featuring Shakira. Could you justify your edition please? Thanks--Santanyiner (talk) 15:40, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Disruptive Editing

Dear Mr. DatGuy, sory for the disruption with the link to List of Most Viewed Porn Videos of All Time. Just an hour before the page had been removed. I did not know that. When I saw it appear in red, I checked the reason and returned to clear the link but found it already cleared.
By now the List of Most Viewed Porn Videos of All Time is back with us. Can it be linked from the List of Most Viewed Youtube Videos? Thank you. Max. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxaxax (talk • contribs) 23:03, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 August 2017

Ric-Flamboyant (talk) 20:49, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. SparklingPessimist ^{Scream at me!} 21:44, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Problems with Original Research

At first, the page was a simple list of the "most-viewed YouTube videos" of all time. Overtime, it has become a mess of OR. The only addition I like are the "Historically most viewed videos", in which archived sources to YouTube are needed to sort out older "most viewed" YouTube videos. However, there are so many videos on the list that have reached over a billion views that I don't think listing the "Xth video to reach 1 billion views" is necessary anymore (except for Gangnam Style, which was the first video to surpass one billion, as well as the videos hitting the 2 or 3 billion mark for the first time." Also, do we really need a list for the "most-viewed" videos "By year of release"? This list is mostly sourced to an unofficial "MyTop100Videos" list (which violates WP:OR). I would really like to discuss these additions since I feel that the list would become a bigger mess over time. Finally, I request that the list would be shortened from the Top 80 videos to the top 50 videos. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 17:23, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

I also forgot to mention that I based my edits on the failed featured list candidate page due to the problems I've listed. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 03:35, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Look, I agree about the violations but at least keep the list to 80 for now, considering that it's not violating anything and reaching 1 billion views it's still not an easy thing to do even for huge and popular artists. When people make videos on YouTube about the most viewed videos they either list the 100 most viewed videos or the videos with more than 1 billion views so I think that people are interested to see all the videos that surpassed the 1B mark, the ones below that mark could be considered irrelevant nowadays and not something that people cares to know about. So that's my only issue. PSNFinozzi1696 (talk) 12:58, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Problems with Original Research

At first, the page was a simple list of the "most-viewed YouTube videos" of all time. Overtime, it has become a mess of OR. The only addition I like are the "Historically most viewed videos", in which archived sources to YouTube are needed to sort out older "most viewed" YouTube videos. However, there are so many videos on the list that have reached over a billion views that I don't think listing the "Xth video to reach 1 billion views" is necessary anymore (except for Gangnam Style, which was the first video to surpass one billion, as well as the videos hitting the 2 or 3 billion mark for the first time." Also, do we really need a list for the "most-viewed" videos "By year of release"? This list is mostly sourced to an unofficial "MyTop100Videos" list (which violates WP:OR). I would really like to discuss these additions since I feel that the list would become a bigger mess over time. Finally, I request that the list would be shortened from the Top 80 videos to the top 50 videos. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 17:23, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

I also forgot to mention that I based my edits on the failed featured list candidate page due to the problems I've listed. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 03:35, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Look, I agree about the violations but at least keep the list to 80 for now, considering that it's not violating anything and reaching 1 billion views it's still not an easy thing to do even for huge and popular artists. When people make videos on YouTube about the most viewed videos they either list the 100 most viewed videos or the videos with more than 1 billion views so I think that people are interested to see all the videos that surpassed the 1B mark, the ones below that mark could be considered irrelevant nowadays and not something that people cares to know about. So that's my only issue. PSNFinozzi1696 (talk) 12:58, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Reduce list from "Top 80 Views"

The last time there was a discussion regarding views was in this archive from 2016. Around the time the discussion was made, the wikipage looked like this: [1] (back when there was a Top 30). I would like to discuss this again with some of the commentators in that last discussion, including @SMB99thx:, @AusLondonder:, @Masem:, @Gap9551:, as well as the users who heavily contribute this article including @PSNFinozzi1696:, @Luke Stark 96:, and @MattStan10:

My argument for reducing the Top 80 videos was that there are too many videos that have over one billion views (76 as of August 31, 2017) and that a smaller list is necessary. At this point, achieving one billion views on YouTube isn't that big of a deal anymore. Also, there will eventually be hundreds of videos that will reach over one billion views. The addition of a "Top 80" occurred without discussion on March 28, 2016, as seen here. Similarly, an addition of a "Top 60" (from "Top 40") occurred (again without discussion) throughout December 2016 by "Wiley2000", as seen here: [2].

With that out of the way, should we reduce the list to a number like "Top 10", "Top 30", "Top 50", etc. or should we keep the list at "Top 80"? Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 04:10, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Since you dragged me into to this discussion i say that i support reducing this list into top 50 only, as i pledged back then. But i could increase this into Top 100 whenever necessarily.--SMB99thx XD (contribs) 04:33, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

I just think that the term "Most Viewed Videos" is a little ambiguous. For some people it might mean the 10 most viewed videos, for others the 20 most viewed ones, and so on... I just think that keeping it to 50 would be like hiding for the readers who comes to the article all the other videos that achieved 1 billion views and for that reason they're popular, that's why 1 billion views it's still a very celebrated achievement in each artist's Twitter and Facebook pages. It's just not something that you can just achieve in 1 month like achieve 100 million views, for most artists it takes years to reach 1B depending on the song's popularity.

Like I said, when I search on YouTube for videos listing the most viewed videos of the site all of them either lists the 100 most viewed videos or the ones with more than 1B views, so for most people hitting 1 billion views it's still a very impressive achievement so I think we just haven't reached that point yet were we can truly say "Yeah, everyone can hit 1 billion views nowadays with any song, it's like achievement 500 million views, not big deal". That's why due to popularity I would like to either keep the list to 80 or 100 in any case, which is something that will interest readers more and Wikipedia is all about informing after all. I just feel that a top 10, 20, 30... 50 will feel like diminishing the accomplishment of all the other artists who managed to get 1 billion views in a time when that's still an impressive accomplishment due to their songs becoming a hit.

The moment when hitting 1 billion views will be accomplished by any artist in less than 1 year then I feel that's when we should reduce the list to 50, but I don't think we have reached that moment yet. PSNFinozzi1696 (talk) 14:39, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

I absolutely agree with PSNFinozzi1696--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 16:04, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

@PSNFinozzi1696: @Luke Stark 96: I disagree with this. Reaching a billion views is no longer an accomplishment. For example, "Shaky Shaky" by Daddy Yankee reached a billion views, but no news sources exist. Similarly, "We Don't Talk Anymore" and "Closer" lack news sources that primarily discuss the video's milestone. Although there are other recent songs, such as "Starboy", and "Shape of You that had a report regarding it's billion view milestone, even the sources don't specify the Xth video to reach the video. That would be violating WP:Synth. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 04:07, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Arguably, the other way to do this is create another list "YouTube videos with more than 1 billion views", since we know this was a landmark point that still is tracked, which would thus have no limit, while this list would be limited to the top 30 YT videos and the historical top videos. --MASEM (t) 16:11, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

That's interesting but I feel like it'll be too much, there's one for the most viewed videos, the most liked ones, the most disliked ones, the ones with more views in less than 24 hours, etc and at some point years later said article will be filled with thousands of videos, let's say 200 or 300 and will take a lot of time to scroll down, then at some point 1B will not feel like a landmark anymore and will be erased and people will create a similar one but with the title "YouTube videos with more than 3 billion views". And like I said reducing the list to 30 or 50 will feel very short and not taking into account all the other songs with similar numbers, and many other readers won't be happy and say that the list feels too short and should be expanded a little bit.

That's why like SMB99thx proposed and Luke agreed to it I think we should increase the list to 100 videos and keep it that way so we don't have to constantly increase or decrease it every time anymore, and the majority will be happy with it since its like a very balanced number. What do you say Yoshiman6464 and Masem? PSNFinozzi1696 (talk) 16:24, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

@PSNFinozzi1696: 50 is a balanced number as well. By having 100, the article would mostly be dominated by videos in which the editors take a while to retrieve the views. I personally don't agree that the "majority" would be happy about 100 views (though more satisfied than, per say, 1000 videos). Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 04:22, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

I agree with both PSNFinozzi1696 and MASEM. Expanding the list to top 100 and keeping it that way sounds like a good idea. However, when more than 100 videos reach a billion views, I think a separate list of "YouTube videos with more than 1 billion views" would be a good idea. The new list could be ordered chronologically by which videos reached 1 billion first and highlight the day they reached the milestone and how many days they took to reach it. It will constantly be expanding as new video reach 1 billion views, while the "list of most viewed YouTube videos" would remain at 100. In the future when that list gets too large, it can always be changed to "YouTube videos with more than 2 billion views" and become shorter. --MattStan10 (talk) 16:42, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea to me Matt! So since 4 of us agrees with the Top 100 idea: me, SMB99txh, Luke and Matt then I guess we should increase it to 100 now, and Masem and Matt can create a new article focusing on the ones that reached more than 1B views. PSNFinozzi1696 (talk) 16:49, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

100 videos is far too much for this. Keep in mind the updating problem, we still have editors that update the viewcount of one or two videos (playing favorites, likely), when the entire table needs to be updated in one shot. With 30, this was manageable by most editors, but 50+, very few are going to want to do this, and we get inconsistent data. --MASEM (t) 17:05, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

For what I've seen editors neither "play favorites" or updates all of them in one go, since we have many people contributing to the article each one updates like 5-10 and another one updates 5-10 more. Also keep in mind that many of those videos gets very few views nowadays as stated on kworb.net, so if one of them has 970 million views it will take like 1, 2 or 3 days for it to reach 971. I prefer having more and giving a much more complete information for the readers than just limiting the list to 10 or 30 just for our convenience. Otherwise we could make each user update a certain quantity like 0-20, 20-40, etc or reduce the numbers from 0.984 to 0.98, 1.236 to 1.23, etc PSNFinozzi1696 (talk) 17:12, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

So after all this the list was increased to 100 videos? To require someone to update all 100 at one time is too much; editors rarely updated all 80 at the same time, because it took too much time. Why not reduce it to 50? Dramaticmusic (talk) 01:46, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

@Dramaticmusic: I would rather decrease it to an even number, like 50, because the list would showcase enough videos. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 04:18, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

@Yoshiman6464: I feel that 100 is a more complete number, and 50 feels like reducing it to the half (maybe due to percentages: 50%, 100%) and 100 was a quantity accepted by many of the regular editors from this article, so it will prevent other people from constantly reducing it or increasing it if we restrict it to any other number. Not to mention, many YouTube channels that specialize on making similar lists also takes the 100 most viewed ones into account, like this recent one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M8Va2zV2kg so readers tend to agree to that number as well, giving that nobody complains about it in the comments either.

If having to edit them all is what concerns you we could take one of my previous suggestions into account, like reducing the numbers from 0.984 to 0.98, 1.236 to 1.23 to prevent constant edits (but I don't know if this "violates any rule") or make each one of us update a certain quantity of videos, for example I could concentrate on the ones from 80 to 100, @Luke Stark 96: could update the ones ranging from 50-79, @MattStan10: the ones from 20-49, etc PSNFinozzi1696 (talk) 14:45, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

@PSNFinozzi1696: Those "many" YouTube channels are not reliable sources, as these videos are not created by the actual website itself. Furthermore, reducing this list would not just make editing slightly easier, but also makes browsing this article more simple. The one thing that I agree with is simplifying the digits from four to three. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 14:50, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

@Yoshiman6464: I'm not taking those channels as "official" sources, I'm just saying that watchers/readers tend to take the 100 most viewed videos into account when creating those kind of videos, not 50. So I feel that it's a sign of what number they prefer when searching for information about the most viewed ones.

But well, if you agree with simplifying the digits I could take care of that now. If more than 2-3 people comes here and opposes to this decision we can undo the change. PSNFinozzi1696 (talk) 15:01, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

I agree with rounding to nearest ten million instead of one million. At the top of the table, it still says "rounded to the nearest one million views". My suggestion therefore is that this changes to "ten million" and then we continue with the old approach which was to round up where necessary, so 2,406,661,376 is stated as "2.41 billion views". Do other people agree? Tcamfield (talk) 19:10, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

I agree with your rounding. So when two videos both have 2.50 billion views according to the chart, we take into consideration the other digits without displaying them to determine which one is higher.

@Tcamfield: Personally I agree with this if said video is getting a lot of millions of views per day and it has like 2 or 3 million views left to achieve the next 10 millions. For example if a popular video has 2.298 billion views and it only needs 2 millions to reach 2.30 then its okay since it'll take a couple of hours at most to achieve that amount. But if a video like Gangnam Style which is barely getting views nowadays has 2.937 then I don't think it's okay to round it to 2.94, because it will take a couple of days for it to reach that amount. You can check how many million views a video is getting per day here: kworb.net/youtube PSNFinozzi1696 (talk) 23:41, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

@PSNFinozzi1696: I think the most important thing is that we have a consistent approach, so I am not a fan of doing one thing for faster videos and one for slower videos. I think I would round even a slow-moving video at 2.937 up to 2.94, partly because that was what was done before when we rounded to the nearest 1 million (this is a weak reason). But my main reason is that 2.937 is nearer 2.94 than 2.93, and therefore 2.94 is a more accurate representation of what the number actually is.

If we actually had a sentence saying a video had reached 3 billion views when it had only reached 2.997 views, then this would be wrong. But rounding numbers up or down to put in the table is the best approach imo. And I think we would find ourselves in a constant edit war if we changed the approach, as people are used to "rounding up" from back when it was rounded to the nearest 1 million a few days ago. "Rounded to the nearest 10 million" is also what the table description currently says - this would have to be changed if we always rounded down. Tcamfield (talk) 00:31, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

@Tcamfield: I just feel that it'll be misleading if we round up a video that's getting slow views, for example if a video has 1.237 views, and it will take 2 or 3 days to reach 1.240 because its barely earning views nowadays but we still round it up to 1.240 then anyone who clicks into the video between that amount of days will think that Wikipedia was lying. Like I said for the ones that gets millions of views per day it's not a problem since it will probably take either a couple of hours or half an hour to reach the specified amount depending of their speed, so it doesn't really matter. Me personally will still be updating them the way they're displayed in YouTube, without rounding up, to avoid any problems. For unpopular videos I feel its okay if you round it up even if they're still at 1.298 or 1.299 because it'll probably reach that amount in 1 day at most, not less. PSNFinozzi1696 (talk) 01:33, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

@PSNFinozzi1696: My view is (from the accounting that I do, the table like this is a little bit like accounting) that there's a difference between writing 1.24 and writing 1.240. If your number is 1.237, writing 1.240 is wrong, but writing 1.24 is correct. I would say that 1.23 is in fact more incorrect than writing 1.24. It's the way the column is phrased. If the column was phrased "Latest 10 million view milestone achieved", then it would be correct to write 1.23. But the column is just phrased "Views (billions)", and so the best number we can input is the rounded number which most accurately represents 1.237, ie 1.24. If someone is confused, they should be able to work out that we have rounded, especially as it says at the top of the table, and people did used to be okay with this when we rounded to the nearest million. @Miles.527: has just edited the article and updated for this without my knowledge, and I think he is right to do so. Tcamfield (talk) 08:21, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

@Tcamfield: Well if its written in the article then I guess it's okay, but personally I will try to not do it that much and keep it more "literal", unless like I said it's about a popular video that will inevitably reach the next milestone in just a couple of hours. PSNFinozzi1696 (talk) 17:31, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

@Ty654: I think the rounding to nearest 10 million views is not my cup of tea. I want it back the way it was at rounding to nearest 1 million views on both this page and the Vevo page. Ty654 (talk)

@Ty654: It was made that way so now that the list has been expanded the editors won't have even more work to do with updating all the digits, especially the 4th ones which were the ones that were constantly being updated. Now that it only has 3 digits it's much easier to keep the list consistent with its real numbers, considering that before some videos were left outdated since many didn't bothered to update them all in one go. So yeah, it was made to reduce work and keep a more consistent list.PSNFinozzi1696 (talk) 15:14, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Congratulation with the extension to top-100! Great work, bold decision, complete number. Keep 100 forever.--Maxaxax (talk) 03:53, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

• REDUCE TO TOP 50 it was already too much with 80, now having 100 is even worse. We can't just keep inflating the page. As previously noted, reaching a billion views has also lost its value over the past couple of years when more and more videos gain more than that. Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:46, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

100 should be considered as the limit, the list won't be expanded beyond that point. It's both a more complete number than 50 for a list and, as seen here and on other external lists made by users (with some examples given above), the most widely accepted number for this kind of listings. It's also a much more balanced number than 50 considering that it doesn't "inflate" the page to the point were it becomes an annoyance to scroll down the page and it also doesn't make the list feel too short, giving that the whole article is based around it after all. Also from my own experience with the comment section of the ones that have 1 billion views and the artists Twitter and Facebook's account reaching that amount is still a very celebrated achievement, considering that even though more videos have reached said amount it's still really hard for any artist to achieve it. We can just compare the YouTube accounts of many famous artists like Madonna, Lady Gaga, Fergie, Eminem, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, etc and notice that none of their latest videos from recent years have managed to achieve 1 billion views, with one of the exceptions being Shakira's Chantaje for example.

Also while achieving 1 billion views might be a little more common for English and Spanish songs, it isn't for many other languages. That's why foreign channels like Pulcino Pio have celebrated a lot the achievement of having the first Italian video to reach 1 billion views thanks to the Spanish version of one of their songs (El Pollito Pio) reaching the milestone. This will also soon apply to the hit Mi Gente from J Balvin and Willy William which has managed to earn 600 million views in just 2 months and it's already, if I'm not mistaken, the most viewed video made by a French artist (Willy William) even though the song is sung in Spanish by a Colombian artist. Once that video reaches 1 billion views, and like I said if I'm not mistaken, it will become the first French video to achieve said amount of views.

So with all of that being said and many people here agreeing with keeping it at 100 then I feel we should keep it as it is right now, in order to avoid having more and more discussions about the matter. PSNFinozzi1696 (talk) 02:16, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

See Talk:List of most viewed YouTube videos/Archive 4#This list needs to be brought back to 30 videos for more on how that would be overkill and 50 is more reasonable. Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:46, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes but I still didn't saw anything that couldn't be answered with what I said above. Given that the maintenance of the list and its statistics was the reason some people were worried about the expansion the digits were now cut off from 4 to 3, and as of now I'm seeing it has worked just fine. Although I think we need to do the same for the "Per year" list too, I didn't edited it because I wasn't sure if it was going to be kept or removed given the discussion here. PSNFinozzi1696 (talk) 15:44, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Why Not ? top 100 sounds very much to me.. I like the idea to make a list " only" of Top 80.LuigiPortaro29 (talk) 16:02, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

But 80 is not a common number for statistics, and it was only left at that number due to some videos still being at 950 million views. All the reasons were already stated above. PSNFinozzi1696 (talk) 17:09, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Don't forget Non music videos

This is about the list of most viewed video of youtube, as a whole, it is not about Most viewed "VEVO" videos, or most viewed "musical" videos. So, in the last edition it has forgotten to list non musical videos like:"Маша и Медведь (Masha and The Bear) - Приятного аппетита (24 Серия)" (almost 900 million views) and "HUGE EGGS SURPRISE TOYS CHALLENGE Inflatable water slide Disney Cars Toys Paw Patrol Spiderman" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Palacesblowlittle (talk • contribs) 19:14, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! I apologize, I forgot that the site I was using as a reference (kworb.net) only lists music videos. I'll add those now. PSNFinozzi1696 (talk) 19:17, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

we don't forget not music videos!.LuigiPortaro29 (talk) 17:32, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Most viewed videos "By Year of Release"

In the last couple days, I've attempted to remove a section on the page called "By Year of Release". At first, having a section that says "By Year of Release" isn't too bad, where it showcases a large list of videos released per year. However, upon closer inspection, I've discovered that the only sources used were the YouTube videos themselves as well as the unofficial "MyTop100Videos" list, a source that was problematic in preventing this article from becoming featured. Even if the source was valid, many of the videos were being attributed to stuff like "Top 500 Most Viewed Videos of All Time", and "Most Viewed Videos of All Time #2" (as opposed to "Most Viewed Videos of 2008" or "Most Viewed Videos of 2013" Therefore the sources not only violate WP:OR, but also violate WP:Synth. I would understand including such list if a reliable source covers it, but unfortunately that isn't the case. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 14:04, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

I've also tried to discuss the manner with one of the editors on my talk page. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 14:05, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

I also looked back in the article's history, the list itself was created by User:MattStan10, as seen here [3]. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 14:09, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Could this problem be solved if instead of featuring that section in this article, create a new one? I mean, if the "MyTop100Videos" source it's the problem then it could be removed and just take the actual views as sources, and specify in that new article that the views aren't being based around those from let's say January 2005 to December 2005 but that it's constantly being updated since the current views are being taken into account.PSNFinozzi1696 (talk) 15:24, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

@PSNFinozzi1696: Even removing the "MyTop100Videos" source, there will be nothing that could justify listing the "most viewed videos" per year. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 17:13, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

@Yoshiman6464:At this point I don't care having or not that chart, but isn't featuring a chart called "The most viewed YouTube videos per year" related to an article called "The most viewed YouTube videos" like this one? I mean, I fail to see it being so unrelated to the topic. But anyways, we can always just ask a moderador/admin and let them decide if the chart should be in it or not.PSNFinozzi1696 (talk) 17:33, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

The chart is based on the top 100 chart above it, just like the start of the article where it states that Despacito is the most viewed videos of all time is based on that chart. It's just a commentary on the top 100. Dramaticmusic (talk) 23:32, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

creating a new list we can fix that problem.LuigiPortaro29 (talk) 17:37, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

What happened to the notes?

Last time I was here, each video had a note showing when it reached 1 Billion/2 Billion views. Why was this removed? I think it should be added back. 173.54.215.179 (talk) 14:26, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

It was unsourced, original research and trivial. Ones like Despacito where the views have been news stories are still there, because they were covered in news sources. Anarcho-authoritarian (talk) 01:47, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi! well, I must agree with user :Anarcho-authoritarian that was trivial, best to have it deleted.LuigiPortaro29 (talk) 13:12, 12 September 2017 (UTC)