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Added Dissociatives

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Latest comment: 11 years ago6 comments5 people in discussion

I added dissociatives (NMDA antagonists) as psychedelics. If anyone wishes to dispute this, then I will back my assertion up in a few ways: Dissociative anesthetics, are also called "hallucinogenic", "psychedelic", "psychodysleptic", and "psychotomimetic" in scientific literature. Resistance to referring to dissociatives as hallucinogens or psychedelics is from online discussion forums dedicated to discussing psychedelics, I believe, as they favour the traditional serotonergic drugs. You can find plenty of articles referring to "ketamine psychedelic therapy." The Journal of Psychedelic Drugs, dedicated to articles about psychedelics which has posted articles by many considered experts in the field of psychedelics even has an article calling PCP a psychedelic in its title: Reed A, Kane AW. (1972) Phencyclidine (PCP): another illicit psychedelic drug. J Psychedelic Drugs. 5: 8 - 12. So please, if you disagree with my inclusion of dissociatives, please discuss it with me. AlkaloidMan (talk) 10:51, 23 October 2010 (UTC) AlkaloidManReply

I'd definitely agree with you there. Anareon (talk) 19:06, 30 January 2011 (UTC)Reply
I agree as well.
(Psychonaut25 - 13375p34k / C0n7r1b5 09:36 PM EST, 22 March 2013 (UTC))
I have to disagree. Humphrey Osmond coined the term psychedelic to describe mescaline and similar substances, such as LSD and psilocybin. While psychedelic has been used to describe many other substances, the dissociatives already have a term to describe them. --Thoric (talk) 21:58, 4 April 2013 (UTC)Reply
While you do make a good point, the reason I agreed is because in today's psychedelic culture scene, ketamine (while traditionally thought of as a dissociative) is often referred to as 'psychedelic'. Also, the Wikipedia page for psychedelic drugs states that "A psychedelic substance is a psychoactive drug whose primary action is to alter cognition and perception." The dissociatives fit this description.
(Psychonaut25 - 13375p34k / C0n7r1b5 11:58 PM EST, 20 May 2013 (UTC))

sorry for adding this entry without proper formatting (it's non-obiovious for for a new comer how to add a suggestion): I think it would be extremely useful if you added acronims (like dxm) for the entries. Most people doesn't know the full names, including me. thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.8.1.35 (talk) 21:18, 18 February 2012 (UTC)Reply

While I agree with you that this would be useful, some of these compounds have five or six different acronyms. All of the entries are linked to their own respective articles, & those articles contain all the acronyms. Whenever feasible, this article does use acronyms, but if there are multiple acronyms for one individual compound, I think it makes more sense for users to just have to click on the links to learn more about any one particular compound.
With that said, whenever I add a compound to the list I do my best to add as many acronyms as seems reasonable. I do think for people who literally only know a particular compound by its acronym, they won't even know which link to click on in order to find the substance they're looking for. Then again, they could just search for said acronym in the search bar...but I'm still adding them whenever feasible.
(Psychonaut25 - 13375p34k / C0n7r1b5 06:15 AM EST, 25 September 2013 (UTC))

I too am new and didn't know how else to suggest this, but I think the Tropane alkaloids [1] would be useful to list as some are added to ayahuasca (which is mentioned with DMT). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xelalaw (talk • contribs) 20:04, 5 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

"Atropine #, Scopolamine #, and Hyoscyamine #, from certain Solanaceae species" are already mentioned under the "Other" heading; that is sufficient, in my opinion. I've never heard of anything but DMT-containing plants (usually Psychotria viridis) & MAOI-containing plants (usually Banisteriopsis caapi, or sometimes Peganum harmala) being used for Ayahuasca.
(Psychonaut25 - 13375p34k / C0n7r1b5 07:17 PM EST, 22 March 2013 (UTC))
While sometimes brugmansia (toé) is added to ayahuasca it isn't considered to be a psychedelic. Thoric (talk) 21:58, 4 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropane_alkaloid

Added Some Compounds

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First I just want to thank everybody who has contributed to this page. With Erowid recently becoming overburdened, understaffed, and underfunded, it has in some ways become outdated. I think this article serves as a really good resource, especially with respect to actual scientific research. I'm happy to be a major contributor to this article, and as we see more and more "research chemicals" being developed, I hope we can manage to keep this page up-to-date.

I added the following compounds to the list:

Alkylated tryptamines:

Lysergamides:

I also changed "LSD" to "Lysergic acid diethylamide, also known as 'LSD' & 'acid' ", "Ergine (LSA)" to "Lysergic acid amide, also known as 'LSA' & ' Ergine' ", and "Ergonovine" to "Lysergic acid β-propanolamide #, also known as 'Ergonovine' & 'Ergometrine'".

Alkoxylated phenethylamines:

2C family:

Indane derivatives (technically not phenethylamines)

Benzocyclobutene derivatives (technically not phenethylamines)

Also a few more NBOMe derivatives:

A couple NBOH derivatives:

  • 25I-NBOH (there was some question as to whether this one was truly psychoactive or not, until I stumbled across these 25I-NBOH trip reports, which pretty much confirm that it is psychoactive)
  • 25C-NBOH, also known as '2C-C-NBOH' & 'NBOH-2CC'

An NBMD derivative:

And an NBF derivative:

  • 25I-NBF/2C-I-NBF (this one is cool; it emits positrons, so you can give it to a patient & put them into a PET scanner & map out which receptor sites it activates :P )

Substituted amphetamines (alpha-methyl-phenethylamines)

Cyclopropylethynylated Benzoxazines

  • Efavirenz, the active constituent of Sustiva, Stocrin, & Efavir

Empathogens/entactogens (serotonin (5-HT) releasing agents):

Dissociatives (NMDA receptor antagonists) :

Cannabinoids (CB-1 cannabinoid receptor agonists):

(Psychonaut25 - 13375p34k / C0n7r1b5 06:51 PM EDST, 5 May 2020 (UTC))

Tryptamine names

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Latest comment: 8 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

No one actually uses the names based off psilocin, i.e. iprocin, psilomethoxin. The acronym should be the link, and then it can say also known as the other name, but I have never come across anyone on BL, reddit, etc refer to these compounds by those names so they shouldnt be what one first sees, especially since it makes it hard to see the difference between those compounds by the names. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MDMQualone (talk • contribs) 02:47, 10 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

The reason it was written that way was for the sake of consistency, since psilocin, psilocybin, bufotenin, baeocystin, & aeruginascin are all listed using their phonetic names. However, seeing as how the aforementioned compounds are generally referred to by their phonetic names in subculture ("on the streets," so-to-speak), this made sense. The rest of the compounds were simply written the same way for consistency's sake. However as you've pointed out, generally the rest of said tryptamines are referred to by their acronym in the subculture. So I've no arguments with the changes you've made.

(Psychonaut25 - 13375p34k / C0n7r1b5 06:08 PM EST, 25 July 2016 (UTC))

Incorrect Inclusions

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Latest comment: 4 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

It looks like a lot of the synthetic cannabinoids in this list are incorrectly included. For instance, why is Kaempferol on the list? There are others. Miserlou (talk) 05:01, 22 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

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