Talk:Maddock Supernatural Universe

Budget and total collection

it is is hereby requested to ads the budget total as as as the total collection of all the first in in the chart of the box office in the article 2409:40F3:C:7F46:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 07:02, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@2409:40F3:C:7F46:8000:0:0:0 Help me find a budget source for Roohi as per WP:ICTFSOURCES else budget total can't be calculated Anoop Bhatia (talk) 07:19, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Rationale Behind the Inclusion of Roohi in the MSU

The following sources claim that Roohi is part of the Maddock Supernatural Universe.

https://www.news18.com/news/movies/dinesh-vijan-confirms-horror-universe-consisting-of-stree-roohi-mujha-and-bhediya-3443351.html

https://www.pinkvilla.com/entertainment/exclusives/exclusive-dinesh-vijan-opens-about-roohi-stree-2-munjha-bhediya-and-his-horror-universe-615362

https://www.cinemaexpress.com/hindi/news/2024/Jul/18/stree-3-already-written-producer-dinesh-vijan

https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/bollywood/rajkummar-rao-on-dinesh-vijan-horror-comedy-universe-roohi-bhawra-and-stree-vicky-might-come-together-7222345/

https://www.hindustantimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/shraddha-kapoor-announces-stree-2-trailer-release-with-new-poster-aa-rahi-hai-101721121889989.html

https://www.thehindu.com/entertainment/movies/stree-2-trailer-rajkummar-rao-shraddha-kapoor-and-gang-face-a-new-nemesis/article68417177.ece

Those who disagree should provide a source in accordance with WP:ICTFSOURCES to contradict the statements from the producer and actor. It is advised to move the film to a 'disowned film' section, rewriting the content to explain why it was removed, rather than removing it entirely, which would be a manipulative destruction of history, given that it was well documented by every notable newspaper in the country. Anoop Bhatia (talk) 12:01, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Can you find any recent articles or statements where the makers or representatives from Maddock Films confirm that 'Roohi' is still part of their cinematic universe? The official trailer for 'Stree,' released by Maddock Films, specifically mentions Stree, Bhediya, and Munjya, but not Roohi. You can verify this in the trailer here: [Stree Official Trailer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVnheXywIbY). Saayantandhaara (talk) 10:58, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Saayantandhaara Wikipedia requires a reliable source to change the current status. In the absence of a reliable source, Wikipedia maintains the current state. The promotional material only indicates the collaboration of these films, which cannot be used as an assumption to remove the content. Wikipedia requires reliable sources and will not accept assumptions or rumours. Please read WP:V. Anoop Bhatia (talk) 11:06, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Saayantandhaara You are also not reading the entire articles. Even the article about the Stree 2 trailer states that Roohi is part of the MSU. For example, see this article from , The Hindu Anoop Bhatia (talk) 11:13, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@SaayantandhaaraIf you read above articles, Roohi is speculated to share common universe in future films. The trailer nowhere says that the Universe exclusively is made up of those films, but says from the Universe of. Take an analogy that many trailers state from the makers of, but does not list all the works of the common makers, especially the ill-performing movies are not mentioned. The intent of mentioning Stree, Bhediya and Munjya only, might to be to guide the audience through the storyline. By your own argument below, promotional material such as trailers should not be considered verified source. 14.139.128.53 (talk) 11:19, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@SaayantandhaaraYour sources and concern are valid, and I am of the opinion that the nature of the dispute regarding status of Roohi in the Universe need to be mentioned. But removing all mentions of Roohi is not the way, as lot of information with verified sources was removed by your edits. I suggest the paragraph you added and the corresponding citation [1] is very appropriate, and is sufficient and necessary for the cause, and should be added to the current revision without making any other change.

Roohi (2021)'s inclusion in the Maddock Supernatural Universe is debatable. The movie is connected to the universe through its shared production banner and thematic elements, but does not share any storyline or characters. Moreover, the presence of Pankaj Tripathi in Roohi helps link the film to the established universe. Whereas creative differences, poor reception, and a significant continuity issue, as Rajkummar Rao portrays the lead in both Stree and Roohi as two different characters, pose considerable ground for a potential exclusion of the movie.

@Anoopspeaks please make the required change and add this paragraph to the main body. @Saayantandhaara please add more citations to this, if you find. 14.139.128.53 (talk) 11:49, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@14.139.128.53 You can propose the changes here with backing from WP:ICTFSOURCES. If deemed appropriate, I will update the document accordingly. However, it may take me some time to do so because I am busy right now. Anoop Bhatia (talk) 12:25, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Anoopspeaks The source link from August Man is reliable. The article ends in a Note, The information in this article is accurate as of the date of publication. However, all the facts stated in the proposed change are not new, and known otherwise. No new information is stated and hence need not be necessarily supported, rather already known facts are compiled and an inference is drawn, further substantiated by the citation.

PS take your time. 14.139.128.53 (talk) 12:50, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@14.139.128.53 The pointed out the doubt and in the faq section " How many films are a part of the Maddock Supernatural Universe?

The Maddock Supernatural Universe consists of five films including Stree, Roohi, Bhediya, Munjya and Stree 2."😔 Anoop Bhatia (talk) 13:31, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I have seen contradictory arguments in Reddit, fan wikis, forums, etc., but we live in a time where multiverse and alternate realities are the main themes of many fantasy films. Stree 2 itself introduced an alternate realm. Therefore, it would be easy for the makers to change everything we saw in Roohi and present it differently in another film. It is all up to the makers. If I write anything based on speculation, that would be original research. In the current state, the statement is that Roohi is the second installment in the MSU, and to date, no connection has been established, which is supported by facts. Adding anything beyond that would be speculation, and even sources reporting doubts do not have firm stances. How can I write about that? Anoop Bhatia (talk) 13:39, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Anoopspeaks I agree with all your arguments. I support in favour of mentioning MSU composed of five films. All the points you mentioned are what I suggest to be made available to readers, and readers to be made aware of existing debate in film circles. A person new to this topic is sure to be confused by other sources owing to this ensuing ubiquitous debate, and that person finally comes to Wikipedia as a last resort for access to reliable information. That is where Wikipedia fulfils its role by providing the background of existing debates and all sides arguments in the debate. The change proposed by me merely does that; compiles all facts in connection to the debate, makes the readers aware of such an ongoing debate and presents all sides of debate, and leaves reader open to making conlusions without giving judgement. In my view, the existence of such debate is a crucial information regarding the topic of the page, and hence deserves to be highlihted.

Anyways, the debate is temporary and is bound to be resolved with new developments, and my proposed change would be rendered redundant. But in the meantime when the ambiguity exists, reader should have access to information regarding ambiguity in the sources. Also, none of the statements in my proposition amount to speculation, as they are merely restatement of established facts. The debate exists in present time, and the edit proposed merely attempts to describe the current debate, and not to speculate or predict the outcome of such debate. If you find the last sentence speculative in nature, you may modify it, but rest all is a mere restatement of facts.

Summarizing my argument, Readers should be made aware to the fact that ambiguity in the inclusion of Roohi in the Universe exists, and the movie makers are yet to explicitly clarify it. 14.139.128.53 (talk) 15:17, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@14.139.128.53 For that, I need WP:ICTFSOURCES, which states what is mentioned by Augustman.com. Additionally, I didn't find any mention of the site in Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. Correct me if I'm wrong, and could you provide the exact page that addresses its reliability? I am insisting on having a highly reliable source because no highly reliable source, as per the Indian cinema task force, has pointed out that issue. Anoop Bhatia (talk) 15:34, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Roohi is still considered part of the Maddock Supernatural Universe (MSU) according to the latest reliable sources. Recent claims from questionable sources suggesting that Niren Bhatt made an unclear statement about Roohi's status are baseless. In reality, Bhatt has never made such remarks in any interview, and none of the interviewers have even broached the topic of Roohi's status. Indian journalists are known for their probing questions, yet not a single one has raised concerns about Roohi. It's important to note that Roohi was written by Mrighdeep Singh Lamba and Gautam Mehra, not Niren Bhatt. This could explain why Bhatt hasn't been asked about it—it's simply not his story. The lack of questions from reputable media outlets about Roohi's place in the universe hints at a potential media embargo imposed by the filmmakers. The fact that no credible publications have reported any discontinuity issues, and that Roohi is still treated as part of the MSU, strongly suggests that the film remains an integral part of the universe. However, a public statement from the producer, verified by a reputable source, is necessary to justify removing the film from the MSU. Until such a source is available, the current status will remain, as Wikipedia is grounded in reliable sources, not in speculation or forum discussions. Any changes made without proper sourcing could compromise the integrity of the article.Anoop Bhatia (talk) 14:53, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing those references earlier! At the time, I understand why it seemed like Roohi was considered part of the Maddock supernatural universe, especially with the media speculation and articles. However, I’ve recently come across confirmation from Amar Kaushik himself, where he clearly states that Roohi is not part of that universe. I have articles that support this new information, which can help clarify the situation and ensure the page is accurate going forward.

https://www.timesnownews.com/entertainment-news/bollywood/is-janhvi-kapoor-rajkummar-rao-starrer-roohi-part-of-maddock-supernatural-universe-stree-2-director-amar-kaushik-reveals-article-114003479

https://www.pinkvilla.com/entertainment/news/stree-2-director-amar-kaushik-gives-update-on-varun-dhawan-led-bhediya-2s-release-answers-if-roohi-is-part-of-maddock-supernatural-universe-1352271

https://www.msn.com/en-in/entertainment/bollywood/is-janhvi-kapoor-rajkummar-rao-starrer-roohi-part-of-maddock-supernatural-universe-stree-2-director-amar-kaushik-reveals/ar-AA1rOyJ4 SayantanDhara (talk) 19:50, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

For further discussion, feel free to reach out on my user talk page. SayantanDhara (talk) SayantanDhara (talk) 20:02, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

References

Conversion

I think it will be better to convert inr to usd earned for the film as well as the budget 2409:40F3:100B:65B5:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 19:34, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@2409:40F3:100B:65B5:8000:0:0:0 Unnecessary conversion, all sources reported figures in INR and it will look like cluttered and puffery. Rupee is now recognised internationally and no longer an unfamiliar symbol. Anoop Bhatia (talk) 22:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

pls

https://youtu.be/KVnheXywIbY?si=gGYuIWmpgySHHtEb Go watch this trailer makers have not mentioned roohi here only stree, bhediya and munjya is mentioned. Roohi didn't do well at the box office they removed it also they were just trying to create the same hype as roohi thats why they made roohi pls remove roohi from here and stop misleading Movie4Life07 (talk) 07:04, 20 August 2024 (UTC) ANOOP FAKES

@Movie4Life07 Please read the other thread first, "Note_about_Roohi". The current content is backed by several reliable sources per WP:ICTFSOURCES. Without a reliable source stating that the filmmakers have removed the film from the universe, the content cannot be removed, as this would constitute manipulation and destruction of content. Showing only three logos in the trailer can only suggest a possible collaboration between these films; it cannot be deemed as the removal of an unmentioned film from the series. Additionally, no news outlets have published such speculation due to the lack of a statement from the makers. It is advised that you read WP:V and understand how Wikipedia works. Anoop Bhatia (talk) 07:16, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

When Roohi was released there was no planning to build a universe. They just wanted to create the same atmosphere in the theatres like stree did with the same lead and different director . But this idea was not successful critically nor commercially that is why this film was not considered a part of MSU. The universe building as you mentioned started from BHEDIYA. As i mentioned about roohi not being mentioned as a part of this universe in stree 2 trailer. Like Stree,Bhediya and munjya was critically and commercially successful thats why they are a part of this universe. They have sidelined Roohi as a spinoff of stree. Please remove roohi from this list.......

183.87.197.3 (talk) 08:09, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

yes anoop he is correct roohi is not a part of MSU.ROOhi was a utter flop at the BO and couldnt make magic like stree did. in all three films characters have appeared like in bhediya characters fron stree appered and in stree 2 character from bhediya appered and in munjya characters from bhediya apperead but in roohi there was no camoe appereance and also in munjya there is a scene where roohi is been played on tv that means that roohi is just a movie in this universe its not a part of this universe showing three logos is enough evidence that roohi is not a part of this universe please understand this. We have evidence that roohi is not a part of this universe but there is no evidence of roohi present in this universe. as mentioned by the articles "each film has to work on its own and then taken forward" roohi did not work at the BO so they scrapped it from the universe and if ROOHI IS A PART OF THE UNIVERSE THEY COULD HAVE MENTIONED IN THE STREE 2 TRAILER AND SHOWN THE LOGO

. one more question for you have you created this page seems like you are the boss here 183.87.197.49 (talk) 07:52, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

@183.87.197.3 @183.87.197.49 You are not following WP:V. Wikipedia is not a tabloid, and content is not written based on rumours or unreliable sources. If you are correct, why haven't any reliable sources confirmed this in their articles? Why haven't the filmmakers made any such statements? Also, why hasn't PVRINOX removed the film from their poster? Anoop Bhatia (talk) 10:36, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Edits by User:Saayantandhaara unverified and important data removed. Needs review. @Anoopspeaks 14.139.128.53 (talk) 10:23, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Firstly, PVRINOX, as a cinema chain, is responsible for creating promotional materials, including posters for various films. However, these promotional materials are not authoritative sources for confirming a film's status within a cinematic universe. They are created to attract viewers and promote films, and do not hold the same level of credibility as official statements or reliable articles.

Secondly, as of now, there have been no official statements from the filmmakers confirming "Roohi" as part of the MSU. If "Roohi" were indeed part of the MSU, it is reasonable to expect that the filmmakers would have provided some indication of this in their promotional materials or public statements. The lack of such information suggests that "Roohi" may not be integrated into the universe as initially hoped.

Ultimately, without official confirmation, it remains speculative to claim that "Roohi" is part of the MSU. The most reliable evidence comes from direct statements by filmmakers or authoritative articles from reputable sources. Until such evidence is provided, it's prudent to base conclusions on the information available from credible sources and official statements. Saayantandhaara (talk) 10:39, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Saayantandhaara First of all, you are ignoring the other thread above. According to that thread, Roohi is another Stree, and the makers have claimed that the connection will be established in a future film. I have listed the most reliable sources in that thread. Even if you argue that it’s a misunderstanding, this interpretation has been reported by every major newspaper in the country. To change this, you need an equally reliable source providing a contradicting statement from the makers to alter the document's status. Anoop Bhatia (talk) 10:50, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Irrespective of whether Roohi is part of the universe or not, the promotional poster is still an important illustration for the page, and its inclusion of Roohi, even if considered erroneous, is not sufficient ground for its removal. 14.139.128.53 (talk) 10:55, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Edit?

Why was editing locked? AestheticArtist (talk) 15:07, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

A now blocked editor kept removing one film without giving a good reason why. There was also suspicion of that editor using IPs to remove the film.

Speederzzz (Talk) (Stalk me) 08:35, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Stree 3 Updates

New information coming out on Stree 3. Refer news article link1link2

Update Stree 3 and add the citation. Updates on the progress, partial script is ready, update expected release in 2025, and tentative cast as reported.

Stree 3 will have a bigger ensemble cast with Akshay Kumar playing the super villain and actors Tamannah Bhatia, Rashmika Mandanna and Ayushmann Khurrana will enter the horror comedy universe of Maddock Films via Stree 3.

Also, the article reports that Producer Dinesh Vijan revealed Stree 2 will be followed by a film called Thama. Add it to Future films section. 14.139.128.53 (talk) 10:00, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Also add all those upcoming films to the actors' filmography pages/sections. 14.139.128.53 (talk) 10:12, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@14.139.128.53 The makers didn't officially announce the cast of Stree 3, at present the cast list can only be treated as rumours. So wait till an official announcement. Anoop Bhatia (talk) 11:29, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

The film Thama is officially confirmed by the makers and reported across many news articles. Add it to this section.

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[8] 14.139.128.53 (talk) 12:10, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Saayantandhaara rather than vandalising the page, you may better contribute by incorporating those changes. 14.139.128.53 (talk) 10:47, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 August 2024

Roohi is not part of MSU HitmanJ1810 (talk) 13:53, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Charliehdb (talk) 14:19, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Upcoming films

Wasnt there a box like figure for upcoming films that Looked way better than the current version. It showed upcomimg films like- Bhediya 2, Thaama, Vampires of vijaynagar, Munjya 2, Stree 3 etc etc . AestheticArtist (talk) 13:36, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

@AestheticArtist The previous table listed all rumoured films without any references, which resulted in its removal due to non-compliance with WP:V. Furthermore, none of the announced films have commenced principal photography, making it crucial to accurately describe the current status of these upcoming projects, hence the adoption of the present format. Anoop Bhatia (talk) 14:28, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Oh got it. Can you add "Thaama" to the list it was confirmed by dinesh vijan in an interview. AestheticArtist (talk) 15:26, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

@AestheticArtist He merely mentioned its name as part of the Stree 2 promotion. There has been no official announcement from them, and Stree 3 was announced afterward. An official announcement reported by a reliable source is required at the very least. Anoop Bhatia (talk) 15:39, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

The producer mentioned it. Isn't it clearly an announcement? "After stree 2 we have an upcoming film called " Thaama" He said.

Stree 3 and Thaama both have been confirmed by dinesh vijan. Stree 3 is up there but why Thaama is not. It deserves to be there. If not them remove stree 3 from upcoming films also. AestheticArtist (talk) 15:58, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

@AestheticArtist Could you provide any WP:ICTFSOURCES stating that the producer announced 'Thama' as Stree 3, backed by sources that explicitly state this? I also maintained the 'upcoming' section because of the reliable source, but if there is a strict rule in Wikipedia against this, please point it out. Anoop Bhatia (talk) 16:11, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

When did i say that the producer announced 'Thama' as stree 3. You got me completely wrong. I said during the promotion for STREE 2.

Dinesh vijan said "after stree 2 we have a upcoming film 'thama' "

Later he said that the writing of STREE 3 Has been done. 'Thama' And 'Stree 3' are two independent film that have been confirmed by dinesh vijan. AestheticArtist (talk) 18:55, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Promotional event of stree 2. Confirming movie thama. AestheticArtist (talk) 18:58, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

? AestheticArtist (talk) 13:42, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

MSU 1000CR TOMORROW🥳🥳🥳

Msu crosses 1000cr. 27.8.2024

🥳🥳🥳 AestheticArtist (talk) 08:14, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Roohi not included in moviemax promotional video

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C_M2355NhlM/?igsh=MXRnejRrYXNvd3NnZQ==

Roohi was not mentioned here why? does that mean roohi is not a part of universe? AestheticArtist (talk) 08:11, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 August 2024

2409:4088:BE3A:8149:0:0:A18B:DC07 (talk) 08:53, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Roohi is not a Maddock Supernatural Universe movie... they confirmed it.. remove it..

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Charliehdb (talk) 13:40, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Remove Roohi

roohi is not part of this universe..edit this 2409:4088:BE3A:8149:0:0:A18B:DC07 (talk) 08:54, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes moviemsx didnt include roohi in its maddock supernatural universe promotional poster but still its here. AestheticArtist (talk) 14:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Moviemax* AestheticArtist (talk) 14:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 August 2024 (2)

Rectify the mistake. Roohi is not part of the universe. Stree 2 trailer and directors cleared that. PVR Cinemas posted upcoming and current part of the universe : https://www.instagram.com/p/C_M06XyS6XA/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== Aastiksharma17 (talk) 14:14, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Please see Note about Roohi for a more complete discussion on this topic, achieve consensus before requesting an edit. Speederzzz (Talk) (Stalk me) 16:57, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Instagram and other user-generated content is not a reliable source on Wikipedia. Jamedeus (talk) 21:13, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

New table

This new upcoming films table is just absurd. What do you mean by "Thamma 2" Thamma 1 hasn't even released yet. Anoop fix this. AestheticArtist (talk) 18:23, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

I removed it, there were no supporting sources. Speederzzz (Talk) (Stalk me) 19:27, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Removal of Roohi from the Maddock Supernatural Universe

Hi all, I recently removed Roohi from the Maddock Supernatural Universe, based on updated and verified information. Initially, media speculation and earlier articles led to the assumption that Roohi was part of the same universe as Stree and Bhediya. However, Amar Kaushik has now clearly confirmed that Roohi is not connected to the Maddock Supernatural Universe. To ensure the page remains accurate and up to date, I’ve made the necessary changes and have supporting references to back this decision. I'll provide the relevant article links below for further clarification. Thanks!

https://www.timesnownews.com/entertainment-news/bollywood/is-janhvi-kapoor-rajkummar-rao-starrer-roohi-part-of-maddock-supernatural-universe-stree-2-director-amar-kaushik-reveals-article-114003479

https://www.pinkvilla.com/entertainment/news/stree-2-director-amar-kaushik-gives-update-on-varun-dhawan-led-bhediya-2s-release-answers-if-roohi-is-part-of-maddock-supernatural-universe-1352271

https://www.msn.com/en-in/entertainment/bollywood/is-janhvi-kapoor-rajkummar-rao-starrer-roohi-part-of-maddock-supernatural-universe-stree-2-director-amar-kaushik-reveals/ar-AA1rOyJ4

SayantanDhara (talk) 03:52, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

hello, following are the images released officially by PVR on their Instagram, please put either of them on the picture of the page, it would be better than a plain page.

earlier also inox's Instagram pot of the universe was put but Roohi isn't part so we can use this now?

[9]https://www.instagram.com/p/C_M06XyS6XA/?img_index=1

[10]https://www.instagram.com/p/C_ffB0psC_T/ Aastiksharma17 (talk) 18:00, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

I have mentioned previously that PVR INOX’s promotional material, or that of any cinema chain is not considered a valid or official source for the actual movie content. PVR INOX, as cinema chains, often create promotional materials for their social media platforms, which may sometimes be based on speculation or unverified information. This practice can lead to confusion, and it is not advisable to rely on such sources.

We should refrain from using promotional material from any third-party companies like PVR INOX unless it is released directly by the official production house, Maddock Films. Only Maddock Films' own promotional materials should be regarded as verified and accurate. SayantanDhara (talk) 06:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)