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This section could use some trimming or possibly complete removal. —The Great Llama ^moo? 21:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree. The unsourced comparison to Superman/Bizzaro should probably be the first thing cut. Jay32183 22:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

"Mario rescued Princess Daisy in Super Mario Land for the Game Boy. In sports titles, however, Daisy frequents with Luigi more often. In Super Smash Bros. Melee, the text explaining Princess Daisy's trophy states that after her appearance in Mario Golf, she was portrayed as Luigi's answer to Mario's Peach.[18]" Just thought I should note that this statement is incorrect. The trophy states that "some gossips" started portraying Daisy as Luigi's answer to Mario's Peach. The way this is worded makes it seem as though Nintendo was portraying Daisy in such a manner, when in fact it has not. The idea that Luigi and Daisy are a potential couple is, at the moment, mere fanon. Actually Mario rescues princess peach not princess daisy

I tweaked the wording a bit. Deleting the sentence entirely might be better, but we should probably think of something to replace it first, as that paragraph would be rather short without it. –Llama man^{sign here} 20:39, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone else think it odd that there isn't a section of Relations devoted to... Luigi? Seriously, we talk about Peach, Daisy, Pauline and Wario... and nothing on the only character who's relation to Mario is definite? --67.165.141.239 08:28, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

What nationality is Mario?

I am foreigner. Sorry for my awkward English.

Is it true that Mario is Italian? Of course, he speaks Italian very occasionally, but he usually uses American English. According to Japanese Wikipedia , Some people think Mario is Italian because of his appearances and behaviors. Other people think he is American who is merely good at speaking Italian. In fact, we don't know what official nationality he is. In any case, he lives in Mushroom Kingdom. We can guess therefore he is not Italian or American but a people of Mushroom Kingdom. yes Mario is Italian /A citizen of the fictitional MUSHROOM KINGDOM trust me i used to own a NINTENDO NES How do you feel? 211.129.162.191 02:40, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

That sounds like original research. I don't know how things work on ja, but here on en we need to source our information. If there's not a source for Mario being Italian, we'll have to add one.

Also, your English is quite good. I wouldn't worry about it. Andre (talk) 03:32, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

In the games, Mario was never described as being from Italy. The only info we have to go on regarding his background, is the game Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island, where it has Mario and Luigi being "born" in the Mushroom Kingdom. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 04:07, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for showing your opinions. Japanese wikipedians also regard original research as rough manners. The guess that Mario is a people of the Mushroom Kingdom is based on the discussion of the page of Mario in Japan.

By the way, I have a question. According to the English page, "Mario is depicted as a short, pudgy Italian plumber who lives in the Mushroom Kingdom..." Which do you interpret the word Italian plumber, as a plumber who is Italian in nationality or as a plumber who comes from Italy? 211.129.162.191=60.39.45.153 14:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

The Italian bit mainly comes from the way his voice actor (Charles Martinet) portrays him. Martinet's voiceover work for Mario (as well as Luigi, Wario and Waluigi) clearly has an Italian accent, although this may be because Mario is a popular Italian name. Another Mushroom Kingdom resident, Toadsworth (who is also voiced by Martinet) is given British speach patterns, but is not considered to be from England or the surrounding areas. Perhaps, the Mushroom Kingdom is broken into many territories like Earth is, and the different countries within it reflect the "real world" in some way. Whether or not this is the case remains to be determined. Perhaps someday Nintendo will elaborate on this, then again, they might like to keep it vague so the fans can determine for themselves. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 15:48, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Dont forget wario

It has also been mentioned that Mario was born in Brooklyn, so maybe he is Italian-American. Marcus 21:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

The Brooklyn part was made up for the cartoons and the movie, and is considered non-canon. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 01:22, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Mario was given his name from Mario Segali, the landowner of NOA at the time Donkey Kong was relesed. I don't know, but I think Mario Segali is Italian, or otherwise there's no reason why Mario should have an Italian accent. I Am Magnus^talk 22:09, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Mario is often referred to as Italian in Nintendo Power, plus I could of sworn a game package said he was Italian. The reason he appears to speak english in the games is so that we can all understand him. For example, for a European Mario game, his speech and dialogue is translated to the local language. Geohevy 01:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think Donkey Kong took place in the Mushroom Kingdom, because there was no mushrooms or Princess Peach Yes i think it took place in Tanzania or The Congo The reason Mario has an Italian accent is because he was supposed to have a brooklyn accent, but Charles Martinet was told to make him more "kid-friendly" so he came up with the first thing he could think of. I am not making this up, I heard it on Electric Playground in an interview with Charles.68.43.180.69 22:26, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Mario is mentioned as being Italian in several issues of Nintendo Power. I could scroung up specific examples if it helps.DarshaAssant 07:41, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

The Brooklyn part was made up for the cartoons and the movie, and is considered non-canon. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 01:22, 23 November 2006 (UTC) Not altogether true, In Mario is Missing, Mario and Luigi are noted to be from the "Big Apple". There are some games that say he is from America. - Sonic0967 15:48, 27 April 2007 (MST)

The game "Mario is Missing" is considered non-canonical as do the Philips CD-I game "Hotel Mario." As for the voices of Mario and the characters of the Mushroom Kingdom, it is considered a convention in popular media that characters with foreign accents are used to create stereotypes, even if they live in the same fictional world. This is found in the American cartoons and the English localizations of the Mario games, esp. the RPGs such as the "Paper Mario" series. For example, in the Mario cartoons, the Mushroom retainer Toad speaks with a thick Brooklyn accent even though he was not born nor raised in Brookly, New York. His accent is probably used to reflect his personality, as King Koopa's (Browser in North America) accent is used to identify him as a criminal or villain.Onesimos 05:29, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

mushroom kingdomer

Hey lives in the mushroom kingdom and the games takes place on Mushroom World which seems to be another planet separate form earth. So his cannonical nationality is the Mushroom Kingdom not any earth real nation.--71.123.191.125 10:24, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Correct. Nowhere in the canonical games ever mention that Mario and Luigi were born or raised outside of the Mushroom Kingdom, which is an alternative world as Middle-Earth in the "Lord of the Rings" triology.Onesimos 05:29, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

mushroom kingdomer final decision?

Hi all. After reading this, I really do not understand. It appears that the side arguing that he is simply a citezen of the Mushroom Kingdom has had the most valid arguments, yet mostly throught the article he is referred to as an Italian American from Brooklyn, NY. What is the final decision? I think that this inconsistency should just be eraticated and that the final edit should be put in this article.69.81.178.253 10:02, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Exactly what bothered me about the original article. I think it should be fixed. I might go trough the article to alter it for the better.--213.17.64.238 19:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Look what I found...

Hey, check this out! http://sonic.sega.jp/event/006/images/006_sonic.gif Think we should mention it in the article? Just a thought...--Superbub 20:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

No, it doesn't add anything to the article. --Soetermans 09:27, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

...? Is that official? Better bring it up at the Sonic article, at least, or a "cameo."

It's on the Japanese Sonic site. I assume it's official. --Alice2 15:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Baby Mario

This section looks like it talks a lot about the games Baby Mario appears in, such as the gameplay and storyline, rather than simply talking about the character. The story and gameplay should only be included when it provides context. If some of this could be removed, so that the article would be more focused, then it would also have the benefit of making more of the article real world significant, rather than just the in universe significance. Does that make sense? Jay32183 22:11, 27 November 2006 (UTC) is there such thing as a baby Mario

Pro's and Con's of Mario and Communism

A few of you out there have heard of the 'argument' that Super Mario Brothers was 'communist propeganda' in the form of a parody. It would be possibly worthy of mentioning but it would hardly be encyclopedia like. Any discussion on this? [www.communist-mario.com]VentusIgnis 02:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

It's not something important to this article. We don't need to reference evrytime Mario is used in a bit of humor. Jay32183 03:20, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

mario and communism dont mix

Mario's picture

Mario's typical look and his Super Smash Bros. look are two different things. Just look at Bowser's typical look compared to Bowser in Super Smash Bros. Melee. If you want the most general picture of Mario, use im upset becuase bowser is not in games as much as he used to be http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/15/Mario2small.jpg

because the way Mario looks in the article now is limited to the Super Smash Bros. series.

That's what the image originally was; someone just recently changed it. I've changed it back. —The Great Llama^moo? 00:33, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps various images of marios appearance (from the original Jumpman design to Super Smash Bros. Brawl) could be incorporated into the article. Geohevy 01:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I do not support TJ Spyke removing the alt text from Mario's picture on the basis of vandalism. It is not vandalsim. We should have alt text so people who are Blind and Low–Vision have a description of how the image looks. Taric25 18:00, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

We can't actually see the alt text anyway when it's put there. Not vandalism, but in this case not useful either.--Wizardman 18:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

It's very useful to people who are Blind and Low–Vision, and it doesn't lower the quality for everyone else. Taric25 05:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Being blind or low-vision not only prevents some one from seeing pictures, but also prevents that person from reading text. I don't see how adding something that requires vision helps the vision impaired. Jay32183 20:17, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Text does not require vision, at least not on a computer. People who are Blind or Low–Vision use their UAs (User Agents) to access information. For example, UAs cannot describe images, however, if an image has alt text, then it will do one of three things. If the user is Low–Vision or chooses enlarged text instead of images, it will make the text very large and easy to read. If the user is Blind or prefers audio, the UA will use a synthetic voice to read the alt text. If the user is DeafBlind or prefers braille, then the UA will display braille on the user's dynamic braille display. We must keep the alt text so people who are Blind or Low–Vision have the same access to information as everyone else. If you'd like to learn more, see Screen reader. Taric25 05:11, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Wouldn't those things also read the caption under the picture? There isn't a real benefit. The alt text is hidden unless the cursor is over the image, so the caption is a much better place to have the image defined by text. Jay32183 18:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

A screen reader would read the caption under the picture, but the caption under the picture does not indicate how Mario looks. All it says is "For over 25 years, Mario has been Nintendo's official mascot." A person who is Blind or Low–Vision should have an idea of how Mario looks. The alt text is hidden unless the cursor is over the image or if the user uses a screen reader. The screen reader user "sees" the alt text instead of the image. Taric25 08:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I replaced the image a few minits ago, and that was befor i read this. sorry it that bothers anyone. Blumonkeyboy 22:13, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

In mass media

In Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door, Mario is given the stage name of "Great Gonzales" during his battles in Glitzville. Before a climatic battle, one of the audience members refers to Mario as "Jumpman," poking fun at Mario's past identity. Mario got his name from Nintendo of America's landlord, Mario Segali. Before that, he did not have a name and was referred to simply as "Jumpman". Mario's nickname in Mario Hoops 3 on 3 is "The Jumpman", again making reference to his original name. Mario is currently voiced by Charles Martinet, who voices Luigi, both their baby counterparts, Wario, Waluigi, and other characters such as Donkey Kong.[15].

This section of the text seems to have nothing to do with mass media. Any duplicate information should be deleted, and the rest, if relevant, should be moved to the appropriate place, such as concept and creation. Jay32183 23:51, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Done, might still need some cleanup, though. I've also deleted the header "In mass media" since that section is now so small. —The Great Llama^moo? 00:07, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Feel Bad about asking this

As far as linking goes, there are a few sites I could think of adding, at first I thought they were too unsignificant based off of that note left on the links, but then I saw Super Mario Legacy, a new and rather dry website, added in. So what are the specifics to adding a site to the page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.129.94.190 (talk • contribs).

Citation Added

I added a citation to the sales information. Please give me your input and tell me if it wwas accurate, etc. King Toadsworth "The Princess is in Another Castle (Again)" 04:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Occupation and hobbies

Should the part about Mario and Luigi's personalities in the show be removed? It's not canon. —The Great Llama^moo? 22:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

That's an interesting thought. Another thing to consider would be is it reasonable to assume the average reader would be familiar with it or care to know about it. I think some readers would be interested in knowing there are different versions, but they probably don't care too much about the fine details. Jay32183 23:42, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I believe that for the sake of completeness, Mario's personality should be kept, but Luigi should be removed, because there is a separate article for him. Geohevy 01:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Because were talking about jobs, I think I should mention this. As much as I like Mario, he's almost as bad as Barbie, as in the fact that he can't keep a job. At one point he's a plumber. Then he's a referee. Then he's a go-kart driver!

inline citations

I think the {{Cite video game}} template might help add some of those inline citations you're looking for. That way when the information comes straight from a game you can still add a citation. Hope this helps you guys. Jay32183 02:25, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Number of Mario Games Sold

The article states that the series has sold 285 million, but it source states that it hasn't even sold 200 million (193 million as of September 2006). 18:07, 7 December 2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.19.141.251 (talk) 23:08, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

It used to say 185 million, I dont know why it changed. Jay32183 23:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Quickly looking over some old article versions, there was a source stating that over 275 million games featuring Mario have been sold, but there is a significant difference between having Mario in the game and being a Mario game. The more than 193 million figure fits the statement better. Dancter 23:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

All of you are wrong. Nintendo has sold LIKE A KA-JILLION MARIO GAMES.

Mario's up for Good Article Review

Mario's up for WP:GA/R - concern seems to be about the citations - criteria 2a and 2d have been named specifically. - Malkinann 08:09, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Baby Mario II

Upon reading this article, I was thinking that Baby Mario should probably have its own article. There could be a small section in this article about him, but I feel that it's taking away a bit from Mario as a whole since BM has so much information. Figured I'd throw this out there as I have no idea what the consensus would be between everyone. --Wizardman 18:53, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I thought about this before and I think it’s a great idea. Besides, this section still seems to describe his role in various games more then it actually describes his characteristics. Personally I think if any reference is made to Baby Mario at all, it should rather brief. Therefore, I think that either the section should be shorten or it should be split up into its on article. Does anyone else agree? Master Strike 15:57, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I've been wanting it shortened because it goes into too much game detail. Last time I checked there was more gameplay detail on Baby Mario than Mario as a whole in the "Appearances" section. That seems to be undue focus, which would prevent this from becoming a Featured Article which requires staying focused. Jay32183 18:37, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I just realized that Baby Mario redirects to Mario. There's a problem in itself. I'll make a Baby Mario article and just have a mention in here. It may take me some time, so if anyone's not busy and wants to move the info, go for it. --Wizardman 19:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

You should be able to write over the redirect. If you get there through the "What links here" button on the side of the screen you can get to the redirect page without it redirecting you here. Jay32183 19:08, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I see you were bold and separated Baby Mario. Do you have a plan for a one-paragraph summary style section or should we discuss how to do that? Jay32183 21:24, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

That was fast... Yeah, what I'll do is add in at least a little bit of Baby Mario and the connection, though whatever I do wil certainly have to be improved. --Wizardman 21:26, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

someone should delete all this baby mario garbage

Mario got put as the #1 franchise of all time from www.ign.com

Subject says it all, my source is this: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/749/749069p5.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.117.209.109 (talk) 08:54, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

This article is about Mario as a fictional character not a gmae series. If the is an article on the series then that information should go there. Jay32183 17:42, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Opinion

He is considered the most well-rounded character in the series.

Wouldn't this be more of a opinion than a fact? I realize that in nearly all other games (Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, Mario 3-on-3) Mario is listed as "All-Around." However, in Super Smash Brothers and the sequels, I'm not sure if he's well-rounded, much less "the most" well-rounded. He is usually considered middle-weight, but I have opinions that he is a bit better in the air than on the ground, and also think he lacks far range attacks. This is just my opinion however, don't bite. =P ...My first post, if I did anything wrong, or have any tips, please comment. Yellow Panda 00:54, 13 December 2006 (UTC) 12/12/06 Yellow Panda

Usually his games say that he has no glaring weaknesses or strengths. He's just average. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 01:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Wouldn't that make him medium-tier? DeathGodDragon EDGE 21:56, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Basically. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 08:00, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, take Mario Kart DS for example; when veiwing the driver's cars, you will notice that Mario normally has his stat bars near the middle, unlike Bowser or Taod. Geohevy 01:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

"Metal Mario" and "Weapons"

Do these subjects really need seperate sections? They are both extremely short. –The Great Llama^moo? 00:59, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't think the need there own sections. Being discussed within powers and abilities should be enough. Jay32183 01:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree, this is pretty annoying. Put it in larger sections! But, since this is the section about Metal Mario, his powers are basically the same, except he weighs more. Pokedork7876 12:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I totally agree!!!!!!I like looking at mario stuff. I found a site [www.themushroomkingdom.com]that has an encyclopedia called the Mariopedia that includes items and monsters the wikipedia doesn't have-User:Takuna

And we don't need it. TMK's Mariopedia is technically worthless here.

It's their own little thing.

Also. Don't be a Fanboy with "!"'s. Angry Sun 18:45, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Citations

Hello everybody. I have added some citations to this article. Feel free to give me feedback on my contributions. King Toadsworth ^{The Princess is in another Castle!} 23:34, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, the Yahoo and Gamespot ones are fine, I think, but I've removed the other two because answers.com gets its info from other sites (including Wikipedia) and whatever the other site was wasn't reliable. –The Great Llama^moo? 00:57, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Ahem

Sorry to have put in two bad references. I am trying my hardest here, you know. King Toadsworth ^{The Princess is in another Castle!} 02:39, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Caption Problem

The image that is accompanied by "Mario made his first #D debut in Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars", is actually Super Mario64. I'm thinking that it need to be changed so that it's and image of SMRPG. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gevis (talk • contribs).

He really did his 3-D debut make it in SM 64, not SM RPG. Some user probably thought he did so in the latter, but was then reverted. –The Great Llama^{sign here} 02:17, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Why not...

Can we just remove some of the statements requiring references? The trivia for the Super Mario Bros. Super Show is a bit on the crufty side anyways. Alternatively, we could just link the Super Show section to its main article. King Toadsworth ^{The Princess is in another Castle!} 18:31, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

It's usually fine to remove crufty statements that can't be sourced. This would also help reduce the in-universe text relative to the real-world text. Jay32183 22:56, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Notable site?

Is the "Mario Mayhem" site notable? It was recently placed in the external links section. –The Great Llama^{sign here} 20:05, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Mario Mayhem was removed from the external links after I added it, I know it is a new site but some of the content on it is unlike any other Mario site. Is it possible to get it re-added? (Timby007 18:46, 4 January 2007 (UTC))

New sites generally aren't notable, so it probably shouldn't be added back in. –Llama man^{sign here} 20:50, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah ok, sorry i'm very new to all of this. I still think it is a great site so maybe I will bring it up again once it has been a bit more established as a fan site! (Timby007 07:54, 5 January 2007 (UTC))

I have to say, if Super Mario Legacy is a notable site, than mario mayhem is more than a noteable site. Super Mario Legacy doesn't hardly have any content. (Timby007 03:53, 1 February 2007 (UTC))

Category:Fictional toy inventors

Is Mario really a toy inventor? Is there any proof that he actually invented the Mini Mario toys? –The Great Llama^{sign here} 02:33, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Never mind, the edit's been reverted. –The Great Llama^{sign here} 02:34, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

no,there's no proof as far as im concerned

Mario Segale/i?

OK, is the Mario's namesake's last name "Segale" or "Segali"? –Llama man^{sign here} 22:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Nobody knows (perhaps other than Shigeru Miyamoto himself). His last name is never given, though the movie says his last name is Mario. The movie, however, is not canon. Geohevy 01:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

No, I mean the landlord of NOA, his namesake, not the character Mario. –Llama man^{sign here} 01:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Again, not very many people know. --Pokedork7876 13:16, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

This webpage (http://www.nintendoland.com/home2.htm?mario/birth/index.htm) says that the landlord's name was indeed Mario Segali.

On topic with Geohevy, however, Googling for 'Mario's last name' turned up this page: (http://www.smbhq.com/who.htm). The first bullet of the list says toward the end that Miyamato-san himself confirmed that Mario & Luigi's last names were Mario. Is this page notable enough to warrant changing the article? Mr Elmo 04:22, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't use that article as a reference. It is a fan page, and there is no indication of when or where Miyamoto, or any other Nintendo representative, confirmed those comments. Jay32183 05:49, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Mario's surname is Mario. Please take a good look at the Nintendoland. com webpage up above. The Q&A at the bottom of the page says so. Oda Mari 14:36, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

He's asking for the landlord's name, not the plumber's name.

GA review

A Good Article review has ended on this article, and in a 4 to 0 vote, this article has been delisted from the Good Article list. Primarily, lack of citations was the main concern, though it was originally filed for vandalism. Dispute archived here: Wikipedia:Good articles/Disputes/Archive 12. Homestarmy 20:56, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

GA Review of Nomination

Basically, the Appearances section and his physical appaearance and abilities ould use some references. On reading I think it looks pretty good, but I'm not going to touch it until that stuff is fixed. It seems to follow everything else on first read, but I'll look it over. --Wizardman 05:35, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

German Wikipedia

I kinda noticed the sad state this article is in, and I think I have a bit of a solution. In the German Wikipedia, Mario is a featured article, so I was thinking if we just use that as a reference, we might get this article back into shape. Is it the good? Cat's Tuxedo 01:04, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Well we can't use Wikipedia as a reference for Wikipedia. We can translate sections and cite the same sources. But that would assume German Wikipedia and English Wikipedia have the exact same expectations. Couldn't hurt to get a translation of the German article though. Jay32183 02:17, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah that's what I meant.Cat's Tuxedo 02:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Failing GA nomination

I don't know who nominated this for GA review, but it's still not ready to go. I would have put it on hold, but there are just too many problems: lack of sources, esp. in Physical appearance, along with way too many POV (and not-sourced) statements; plus, confusing and not-explained statements (such as 'pack in'.) Dåvid ƒuchs (talk • contribs) 23:09, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Koopa(Troopa)s

Mario Bros.

The arcade version of Mario Bros.After his appearance in Donkey Kong Junior, Mario appeared again in 1983 in Mario Bros., Mario's first appearance as the titular hero. After a colleague cited that Mario looked more like a plumber than a carpenter, Miyamoto changed his occupation accordingly. In this game, which was originally called Pipe Jump, Mario and his brother Luigi must exterminate Koopas and other pests that entered from the underground pipes, often by flipping them over. Although the game's success steadily declined, it was not the brothers' last appearance.

Here, It says that Mario must exterminate Koopas, however, "Koopa" is the name for Bowser, and the name for those other little creatures are Koopa Troopas. Also, the flying kind are called Koopa Paratroopas.Norn Guy 02:38, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Super Mario World has 72 levels!

"Each of the 96 levels possessed several exits, which increased the player's freedom of choice, and hid many secret levels, largely increasing the replay value of the game." thats a lot of levels for a NINTENDO NES game This is untrue. There are 72 levels. However, there are 96 exits. 24 of the levels have 2 exits. Can someone edit this, please? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.225.202.15 (talk) 04:13, 19 January 2007 (UTC).

Super Mario World is for the SNES. Think before you talk. --88.8.163.81 20:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

What should this be?

"2002's Nintendo Gamecube marks the first time a Mario game wasn't published at the sametime. " This was introduced at the recent major overhaul, which otherwise seems really good. S Sepp 22:32, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Results of the major overhaul

The new sections about the games seem to talk too much about the games themselves. The article should stay focused on the creation and development of Mario. The overhaul did have the advantage of removing the unecessary parts of the "in-universe" perspective. Please see Link (The Legend of Zelda) for details. Jay32183 03:29, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

POV

Just a suggestion, but the current article seems to be riddled with statements that insinuate a point of view. [ie. "considered to be the best..."] I also think that the "Kiddy System" section doesn`t seem to belong. King Toadsworth ^{The Princess is in another Castle!} 22:48, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. I think there should have been some more discussion before the overhaul. –Llama man 22:58, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

The overhaul seems to have created as many problems as it solved. Jay32183 23:38, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, the German Wikipedia has virtually the exact same information, and that's a featured articleCat's Tuxedo 14:41, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

The English and German projects don't have the exact same standards. Jay32183 18:34, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

How Mario got to the Mushroom Kingdom

There's been lot's of confusion over this, so I'm gonna post what I think happened.

Mario used to be a construction worker. He hada girl friend named Pauline. One day Pauline was kidnapped by a giant monkey, nicknamed Donkey Kong. He took her up to the top of the constrution site Mario was at, and stomped all around, doing significant damage. Mario ran up the scafolding and saved Pauline. Mario was blamed by his boss for the damag he did to stop the monkey, and was fired. So Mario, with the help of his brother Luigi, Mario started his own plumber buisness. There first job was cleaning out the newyork sewer system. When they got down there, they found it had been infested with hundreds of monsters. They spent many hours cleaning it out, and when they were done they found a weird green pipe. While they were looking down, Donkey Kong snuck up on them. He was mad at Mario for beating him up, and wanted to pummel him. So he pushed them both down the pipe, and then jumped in himself. When they emerged from the pipe, they found themselves in a bright new land. Donkey Kong, bewildered by this sight, ran off. Whem Mario and Luigi woke up, (they were knocked out when they hit the ground) they saw the pipe recede into the ground. They started to freak out, but then they saw a weird man with a mushroom on his head. The man said that their princess had been captured, and asked for their help. He showed Mario a picture of the Princess. Mario imediatly fell in love with her, forgeting all about Pauline. He then vowed to save Princess Peach from the evil Bowser! And thats how our favorite hero got to the Mushroom Kingdom!

Since that's entirely speculation, it cannot be included in the article. Jay32183 23:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, Jay. Let me see you create a better explanation. Also, that's just a THEORY of what happened. It's not that it's true, it's what I think might have happened.

Well this talk page is for discussing imporvements to the article. Discussing the subject in general isn't always beneficial to Wikipedia. Jay32183 01:02, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

There's only one discussion page on Mario, and it's for everyone. It's not just for people who want to improve the article. Also, Wikipedia discussion pages are for sharing facts, questions, answers, and theories about the various articles that are on Wikipedia, along with making the articles better. That's why I can freely post this, and why you are wrong. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.244.187.136 (talk • contribs) 21:35, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Please read the talk page guidelines, which are pretty clear on the matter. You really have to tie in discussions with issues with the article that should be addressed. Dancter 21:45, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Common, it's not like it's going to change anything in your life... 207.107.233.124 19:25, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Motion picture films?

I just realized one of the headings in the article is "motion picture films". Shouldn't the title be just "motion pictures" or just "films". I don't care which, even "movies" would be acceptable to me. But "motion picture fikms" is awkward and redundant. Jay32183 18:56, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Changed. –Llama man 19:45, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Where did his name come from?

The main article states that Mario first got his name in "Mario Bros.", but I know that he had already been identified as Mario a year earlier in "Donkey Kong Jr.", during a cut-scene where you travel to "Mario's Hideout". W4st 00:30, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

His name is Italin but he was orginally named jumpman.Themasterofwiki 19:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

the landlord for nintendo of america resembled the character from donkey kong and of course his name was mario, so therefore they told them that or something and therefore he has been mario ever sense,

also he was mario in donkeykong junior, at the begining it says to get the key from mario to save your dad —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.177.97.43 (talk • contribs).

Computer Game?

I distinctly remember a computer game starring Mario and Luigi. The premise of the game involved finding various locations around the world, and I believe Luigi was the main character. Come to think of it, wasn't this (or a similar version of this) game released on the Super Famicom? I believe it was called "Mario Is Missing." Can someone please help find information on this subject? (Discgolfrules 23:07, 22 February 2007 (UTC))

• Mario Is Missing! has an article. You might want to check there. Jay32183 23:20, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Ah, thank you very much. And it has it's own article because it wasn't developed by nintendo? (Discgolfrules 23:24, 22 February 2007 (UTC))

Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars

Right now, this game has an eincy–wiency refrence in the article, but it's such a good game starring Mario! Taric25 02:32, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Games or Mario

This article is mainly about the games he was in, not what he did in each game, his roles, etc.. I think this should be majorly rewritten. You see, when people look at character articles, they look at why and what they chacter did, not the games he starred in.209.244.43.176 19:31, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree. The article should open with the creation of the character, then go on to the development and evolution of the character, and finish up with reactions to the character. Jay32183 00:02, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I also agree. –Llama man^talk_contribs 00:10, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Should the whole history section just be scrapped for now? I really don't see more than a few paragraphs of info that actually deal with the character. How exactly should the section work while not being a giant plot summary? Nemu 03:16, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Mario Bros.

The main article describes an enemy as a shell creeper which evolved into a koopa troopa. This article only calls them koopa troopa. Should it be changed? 216.237.235.137 22:11, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Mascot section

This section has more info on other characters that mario himself. Shouldn't it be removed? The page is about mario, not his opponents. Maybe a small section, or merge it. Comments? I won't remove it without asking first. Quatreryukami 16:42, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

That section probably should be removed. It's an unsourced comparison to Sonic and Crash. It is not only off-topic, but it appears to be original research. Jay32183 22:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the section per the concerns addressed. — Malcolm^{Use the schwartz!} 22:25, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Mario & Sonic at the Olymic Games

Will someone add this to the article? I don't know how I should. 75.32.23.36 22:03, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think you can, because of semi-protection on the article. I would add it to the article, but I don't know where to add it. We just don't appear to have a suitable section, and I don't want to make an "upcoming games" section just for this. Maybe under "spin-offs" or "other games"? --LuigiManiac 22:29, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Ditto, or how about under the heading "Wii?" I seriously don't know... --The preceding comment was signed by User:Sp3000 (talk•contribs) 08:46, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Someone's put a mention of it in the "Other Games" section. That seems like the best heading to give mention to M&SOG, because by what's under the "Spin-offs" section, M&SOG wouldn't fit that criteria. ~Entegy 20:03, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I've noticed in the article that the Mario sport games are place under "Muti-player Games". Why not put it there? 206.66.217.141 19:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)206.66.217.141 19:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Proposal for article

I was thinking about whether this article should be changed back, similar to how it was in mid-January (like this, perhaps?). Both versions need a lot of work, but, in my opinion, the current version focuses too much on the games, has POV statements, and doesn't have nearly enough references. Any thoughts? — Malcolm^{Use the schwartz!} 20:18, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Currently the article looks like a big, long list of games that Mario has appeared in. I liked the way the article was before. Master Strike 18:21, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I've changed back to the version of article from mid-January. From discussions on the talk page, there seems to be a consensus that the version before now didn't describe the character enough. Please revert if you don't feel there's a consensus, then we can discuss some more. — Malcolm^{Use the schwartz!} 21:20, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I would say merge the two. The problem with that older version seems to be excessive OR, but if it were cut and formed into a sourced characteristics section, it would be fine. Nemu 21:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

How's this? — Malcolm^{Use the schwartz!} 21:46, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

It just needs to be condensed, trimmed for repeated info, and cleaned up a little, and it'll probably be fine. Nemu 21:55, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

His Popularity

Excuse but I have a simple question? You said "Mario s popular Nintendo Character" Your supposed to put in "the most popular character, I mean he is the most popular, but why not put that in though? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Milos Warrior (talk • contribs) 01:24, 22 April 2007 (UTC).

Duplicate Image

I hate to be stupid, but why are there two identical images of Paper Mario? Is one not good enough? JimmmyThePiep 01:54, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Mario's roots

For some reason, people believe mario to be from brooklyn, is there any truth in this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.23.56.19 (talk) 13:51, 7 May 2007 (UTC).

Not at all. The only things stating this are the cartoons, the movie, and Mario is missing which are non cannon. There has been a lot of recent evidence he has lived in the Mushroom Kingdom all his life

There has also been strong evidence the Mushroom Kingdom is on Earth.

Mario was born in The Mushroom Kingdom and was sent to Big Ape City(as proven in Donkey Kong Land) Mushroom Kingdom is not on Earth... Angry Sun 23:24, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

• How do we know it's not on Earth. It doesn't say that anywhere.

You could sign your name...unless your an IP Address.

There's no evidence that suggests it is on earth. If I remember correctly one game called it The Mushroom World. Angry Sun 20:29, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

That would be Super Mario Brothers 3 but the mushroom world are the seven kingdoms beyond the mushroom kingdom not another planet.

It is refered as Earth in the Paper Mario games in dialouge. Also in Luigi's mansion there is a globe of Earth. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pal101 (talk • contribs).

And if you remember correctly...THAT MANSION WAS A FAKE CREATED BY KING BOO! How do the Paper Mario Games call it Earth if the map shows it's the Mushroom Kingdom. Angry Sun 00:23, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Eh, no one really knows for sure. — Malcolm^{Use the schwartz!} 01:25, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

It's mentioned to be Earth in dialouge. Several characters call it that. Know what though neither is true until Nintendo confirms one we won't ever really know. -User:Pal101

Walk of the Game

why did someone delete the info that mario was one of the only three to recieve a star in walk of the game? It was perfectly fine--Superbub 23:39, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

M-Daddy?!

It was stated in nickelodean magazine that mario and peach had a son, also named baby mario. is this true?--71.176.136.13 15:40, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

No. - Luigi128

audiofile

Is it possible to get an audiofile of him saying his almost trademark " itsa me mario" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.176.172.119 (talk • contribs).

Jumpman to Mario

Please stop reverting my sourced information about the time and place of Jumpmans name change. looking through this artical it is obvies that he was known as Mario before 1984. if you can find a source for your information please share it, but until then please leave my edits alone. 216.162.144.26 6 June 2006

No because you are full of crud and everyone here knows it... Mario was Jumpman in Donkey Kong and only in Donkey Kong.

So anytime you edit it. I'm editing it back. Angry Sun 20:07, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Whoa man you shouldn't talk like that, check Wikipedia:Etiquette and such. he does have a source, a weak source being that it is just a fansite, but its more than what the story of the angry landlord barging in on a meeting has. You should explain to him why you consider his edits vandalism and also back up why the story is true (if it is) with sources. Cigraphix 20:43, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

And Fansites are not reliable sources. His edits are vandalism because Mario is also known as Jumpman in both versions.

Thus, He does not what he is talking about. Angry Sun 20:48, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I said fansites are weak sources, but stuff you have has no source at all. And my point is that you are not argueing your point effectively, all you are saying is "you are wrong" and not providing any proof. What is worse is that you even showed absolutely no respect in doing so. Truthfully it may be best to omit the whole barging in story and just say 'the decision was made sometime between Donkey Kong and Mario Bros to rename Jumpman after a landlord Nintendo was renting from' if you cannot provide a source for it. Cigraphix 21:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry that I upset you Angry Sun, However you are wrong about this. I have never heard of that origen before and the fact that he was referd to as mario well before 1984 is well documented. these are just 2 of my sourses, and if you perfer I could use some that are already sited in the artical. please stop vandalising this artical and then clame I am a vandal. 216.162.144.26 6 June 2006

The only good sources in this article are those that are offical Nintendo sites and stuff that comes from respectable, professional video game websites (like GameSpot). The rest (TMK, SMBHQ, Mario Mayhem) are fansites. Cigraphix 21:56, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I just want to add, Mario's name was Mario in Donkey Kong Junior. Donkey Kong Junior was released in 1982. I'm not just talking about the cabinet art - in the game itself, the Arcade version, Mario's name shows up as Mario. So saying that it was changed in 1984 is incorrect. 208.101.152.167 22:15, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Mariofire.jpg

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Reprotection

I'm pretty sure for those of us watching this article that its become obvious that this article is being vandalized like crazy. I propose we redo semi-protection and keep it for an extended period of time. crazyviolinist 16:52, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Wii Grammar

This is a problem not only on this page, but on all other pages that mention Nintendo's Wii. It is NOT "The Wii", or "Nintendo Wii". According to Nintendo, it is "Nintendo's Wii", "Wii Console", or just "Wii". A sentence such as, "I bought a Nintendo Wii", is incorrect. The correct way would be, "I bought a Wii Console". Whenever I fix these grammar errors, other users (generally AngrySun) undo them, thereby making the statement about Wii unencyclopedic. Please consider this when adding such statements in the future. SpinyMcSpleen 17:47, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

If it was the The Wii. They WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE "'"'s

Notice how it said: "the Wii"

Not: "The Wii" Angry Sun 17:55, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Mario Vs. Mario Mario

Why does one minor three minute (or so) Nintendo of America interview from the 80's override the Mario Megasite? I must say, the interview was made before anything that established "Mario Mario" and "Luigi Mario". It could be outdated info for all you know. 208.101.152.167 22:11, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Super Mario

Well, I don't even know how start but I'll say it anyway. I am tired in seeing Mario being just the mascot in which nobody cares pretty much, and thinking towards Link and the Zelda series. One proof is the Barn Star that the Link article got and the FA-Class notice. I still can't believe that the most famous character in videogames could possibly be falling. It's incredible, but I am actually seeing the rise and fall of Super Mario. A long time ago, people always stood in emotion with a new Mario title (just like a Zelda title is today). For every single Zelda fan was a Mario fan. Mario titles always selled more, got higher scores, and the Mario name was getting bigger. Then Mario's golden age came: the N64 era. The most expected title of all time already launched with the N64. Super Mario 64 was the biggest success in gaming, selling millions of copies for 4 years. The game received the highest scores ranging from 9.6 to 10/10. It was remarkable. I can even remember it like if it as yesterday. Everyone talked about it, the stock was empty and everybody played and enjoyed. After 5 Years, the game was named by most people as the "Greatest Game of All Time". Then, Mario Kart 64 came, same huge hit. Still today it is considered the "Greatest Sports Game of All Time". Years have passed until it came the day in the year of 1998, when Ocarina of Time launched. The game was such a hit, that it was even being compared with SM64. Years still passed and Super Mario 64 was still being considered the greatest. When Melee was revealed, one person asked Sakurai which one was better, SM64 or OoT. He said that the boss from the new main mode of the game would show his answer. That is why Bowser was the last boss on Adventure Mode. If OoT was better, wouldn't you guys think Ganon would be in Bowser's place? SM128 was revealed then, people got even more excited, but after the many delays, the game was forgotten. Somewhat, Mario got even more childish, partying all the time, not being the same hits like a normal N64 Mario (not that I have something against them, but they could be just like MK64). Then people weren't taking Mario games seriously as before. Then, TP was revealed, and people hoped it would be just like a great sequel of OoT. This is the part where Mario really died. Just a little bit before the launch, magazines were making their opinions again about the greatest game of all time. SM64 was normally placed between 11th and 3rd place. OoT was placed 1st by all of them. That is also why SMG is not the most wanted game, and why Link finished Mario on the how to play part on the SSBB official site.This is why I say you guys keep focusing on the Zelda series and improving the articles, while this article you don't do nothing. I would like to hear the people who Agree and Oppose about the situation and the opinions. Mr. Mario 192 19:29, 29 June 2007

And you're saying because a series is more popular, it's more important? I'm going to have to disagree with that. - 82.42.162.112 11:21, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

No, it's known as the most important videogame series. Everybody knows that. Mr. Mario 192 16:35, 7 July 2007

I agree. For SM64 was praised by many (including lots of magazines that I have at home) as the greatest game of all timeMarioman12 16:40, 7 July 2007

I can even say, but I think Mr. Mario 192 is right. Look at the SSBB official web site and go to DK. You will see the picture in which he caries Zelda, while Link is chasing him. Normally Mario should chase him, but they should substitute Link and put Mario. Now Link is invading a little bit in the Mario universe, in which was planned that Mario would be the key to unte those two series and saving Zelda. OBEY STARMAN 17:15, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree also. Mario 64 outselled OoT being Nintendo's 3rd All-time best-seller. I even have seen some invasions on the Mario universe and Zelda universe. Dengarde 17:19, 13 July 2007

It's an outrage. I don't remember what issue, but in one of Game Informer's magazines, I saw some artworks and one of them (which got art of the month)had a huge Bowser on the left side of the picture. Then it had Nintendo characters (all of them small, including MARIO!!) and the biggest of all which was facing Bowser on the right side of the picture was Link. It's incredible. Now people think Link is the greatest hero from Nintendo. One more thing, I bet you guys that instead of Bowser being a boss on SSBB, it would be Ganon, so he would dissapoint the fans. Mr. Mario 192 17:25, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Jesus christ. Listen, mario is indeed definitley one of the most important game series of all time. However, it lacks the depth of games like Zelda. Its all a matter of opinion of what game is better. As for link appearing in different areas, yeah, nintendo likes to do that. A lot of places like to do that. Its a little bit of fun, changing around characters and everything. For Super Smash Brothers, thats the entire idea of the game. The idea is that things are switched around, the universes are blending together. That's the entire point of the game. Mario is important to the gaming world, but so are all the Zelda games. For every publication that lists SM64 as the greatest game of all time, there's 5 more that list OOT as the greatest. People pay less attention to him because now adays, mario has become a classic character. His games arent as innovative as they use to be, many are becoming purely nostalgic experiences. Thats not to say the Zelda series has been evolving at a huge rate, but regardless, theres a reason for the focus on the zelda series and a reason for mario's slow decline. Glassbreaker5791 20:07, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

3d Debut?

Wait, he made his first 3-dimesional debut in Super Mario RPG:Legend of the Seven Stars , not Super Mario 64. Beanbeanbean

See Pseudo 3D. - 82.42.162.112 11:17, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Although graphically, the game Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars looks like it was 3-D, it actually is not. It makes heavy use of flat objects captured from different angles called sprites which give the illusion that it is 3-D. Super Mario 64 on the other hand, actually uses 3-D objects to create 3-D environments. To compromise, we'll say that graphically, Super Mario RPG is the first but technically, Super Mario 64 is the first.

SSBB Image

Should the main image in the article be changed to the SSBB version? It seems to be more detailed, and unlike the current image, is not tagged for speedy deletion (see description page of current main image). -KULSHRAX 21:38, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

1. It's more realistic. Mario is not realistic.
2. SSBB is not released, so non-fans would not know of said image.
3. That's a pretty poor argument, since you were the one who nominated it for speedy deletion RIGHT before making this post. - A Link to the Past (talk) 21:43, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, it has no fair use rationale. That is a problem. Perhaps that should be added? And, also, on other articles, such as Yoshi, the SSBB image is used.-KULSHRAX 21:47, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

A little quicker on the draw please, it's already been given a rationale. ...And hi, other articles have vandalism, doesn't make it right. Did you notice that there is dispute over the usage of the SSBB image in the Yoshi article? - A Link to the Past (talk) 21:52, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

YOU just gave it rationale! And adding new images isn't vandalism! Vandalism, is deconstructive to wikipedia, and good-willed edits shouldn't be considered vandalism. An another point - if mario isn't realistic, why don't you just revert to the SMB image? That's as unrealistic as you can get. Fans would still be able to recognize Mario in the SSBB image, despite it being unreleased, because Mario is a recognizable media icon. -KULSHRAX 21:58, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

So are you implying that there's a need to change the image? If not, then don't change. If so, explain why. What's changed? Realism? New SMB is closing in on being able to say "I sold more than SSB and SSBM combined". The fact that Mario looks more realistic in SSBB is irrelevant, as he is NOT evolving by becoming more realistic. Most recent is only a factor when there's no other recent images. Unless you can explain the problem with the image provided, it should not be changed. And I can give you one big problem - it's from a game unrelated to the Mario franchise. 'Nuff said. ANd who cares that I added a fair use rationale? You added the speedy delete tag to argue that SSBB's Mario is necessary, I added the rationale to cancel out that attempt.

And I was pointing out that your argument is equal to "if other articles have vandalism, that means that it's okay". Just because other articles have something does not equal "this is how it should be done". - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:06, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

The reason I feel the image is necessary is because it is more detailed. My argument is based upon the image itself, not the game of origin. And about the game or origin, you added to the current image's description page that it was from NSMB. It could easily be from Mario Party 7! And you seem to have employed a similar argument on the link talk page, although there, twilight princess hasn't sold more units that super smash bros. Therefore, I am to conclude that your opposition is based solely on the fact that the image isn't from the canon of the game series, which isn't a good reason to not use the image if the picture is good. Another point is uniformity, since SSBB images are being used in lots of character articles. Uniformity seemed to be used before, as when Mario Party 7 was released, all of the character images were taken from the art of that game.-KULSHRAX

Basing your opinion on "it is more detailed" is a poor argument itself. However, unlike other Nintendo characters, the Mario series has games coming out left and right, with all of the characters having the same general look and appearance in every Mario game since the launch of the GameCube. So is it really better to replace an image that represents how Mario has looked for the past five years with a "detailed" version of him, when it'll eventually be outdated by another Mario game that'll come out (like Mario Kart Wii)?

And disputes have been going on in several, if not all of the Brawl characters' articles over what images should be used. Disaster Kirby 22:30, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

You're implying that the current picture is not good? And by the way, you'd have a point if my only argument were sales figures. I use several arguments - canon, sales figures, official artwork create by employees of EAD, etc.

And how many times will you argue uniformity?! It's not uniformity when people are edit warring over it and the people adding it refuse to consider that it is THEIR responsibility to begin the discussion, as introducing an image which is viewed as a controversial addition to the article MUST be discussed, no questions asked.

Will you please stop changing your statement constantly? I can't even make an edit because you keep interrupting. And to trump your silly argument, Mario Kart Wii's Mario is NOT more detailed than SSBB's Mario. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:34, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I am not changing my statement consantly. The last comment was made by another user. The primary reason I wanted that image used is for uniformity, because, although now disputes are getting much more intense, on most of the brawl character' articles, the brawl images were/are used. It seems fitting that if it is possible to make a lot of nintendo characters' images uniform, it should be done. Although now I feel that the current image should be left alone for the time being, a more detailed image should be used in the near future. Unlike other reference publications, wikipedia has the ability to keep up with the latest character artwork. That is one of the thing that makes wikipedia great. You can't just put one image up of a rapidly-changing subject and believe that it will remain forever. And even with my support of this image, i feel that once another image come along that is better than the ssbb image, it should be replaced too. Mario isn't the only series with games coming out left and right. Ninendo produces a lot of frequently updating games. And based n your arguments, if you did want to just keep one image of mario up, why not just use his 8-bit form? That is considerd to be the original, and the current image is newer than that. And what would be the argument against that? The currrent image is more detailed. Otherwise, I suppose the 8-bit image should be used if the image shouldn't be updated frequently. -KULSHRAX 22:46, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

1. It's not uniform because people do not agree with their usage. It's disputed, and the images should not be up in the first place because of that. That is NOT uniformity.
2. At what point do you turn "let's not use images from unrelated video games" into "let's not update images at all!"? - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:51, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

No, my argument was the former. The latter was what I enterpreted your argument to be. If that is not the case, please tell me your argument. Also, I have modified my argument in saying that the image should be changed, if possible, "in the near future", e.g. after the disputes are over. Furthermore, how is SSBB unrealated? Mario is in it, and he is a character.-KULSHRAX 22:57, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Just to weigh in here, SSB redesigns the characters to create a uniformity for its game because the characters are interacting. To have them all in their own design would make the game look like an ugly patchwork of different styles. But when dealing with the series seperately, like in this article, the series' own distinctive art style should take precedence as it is what helps artistically define that said series from the others. A SSB photo should be included but not as the main photo. Cigraphix 22:58, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

1. I was opposing the usage of SSBB image. I'm REALLY sure you were interpreting my argument as "let's never update the image" - I mean, the fact that I pointed out that SSBB is an unrelated series doesn't mean a thing!
2. So I bet you think Mario RPG is a Metroid game and a Zelda game because Link and Samus appear in it? - A Link to the Past (talk) 23:04, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

OK, then I agree that it could be included in his "non mario-series" appreances, but bear in mind, that this article isn't about the mario series. It's just about the character mario. The mario series only comes up because mario is portrayed there often. It doesn't mean that anything else is not "mario". -KULSHRAX 23:01, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Super Mario RPG Wasn't a Zelda or Metroid game because Link and Samus made CAMEO appearances. They weren't playable characters. -KULSHRAX 23:33, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't think Super Smash Bros. games should count as a good reference since they're not the original characters, but rather Trophies / Figurines that were created by Master Hand in the image of their real life counterparts. This is confirmed in certain Trophy entries, the intros of Super Smash Bros. and Super Smash Bros. Melee, as well as the apparent story mode in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. We don't even know if the real characters can use the same moves as the Trophy ones (ie. Mario throws Fireballs without the Fire Flower or MP, and Kirby needs the Smash ability to even resemble his Trophy self). 208.101.140.76 18:17, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Just how short IS Mario?!

In Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games, Sonic will be taller than Mario. Now, Sonic is known to be three feet and three inches tall, which means that Mario is much more shorter than we thought. Maybe it should be mentioned in the article. 208.101.140.76 18:20, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

It's not neccessarily canon. In Kirby's Dream Land 3, Samus was twice the height of Kirby, but it isn't canon that she's only 16 inches tall. --Alice2 21:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

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Not the most common usage. I am also proposing the disambiguation page be moved here. Also, is this article just about the character or the whole series? Simply south 12:09, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Oppose. Mario may be a common Italian given name, but the article character is by far the most important page with this title. I do, however, propose renaming Mario (disambiguation) to Super Mario (disambiguation), and then add the following hatnote to the page:

"Super Mario" redirects here. For other uses, see Super Mario (disambiguation).

This page is about the Nintendo character. For the singer, see Mario (singer). For other people with this name, see Mario (given name).

("the Nintendo character" instead of "the video game character" because he is symbolic for the Nintendo franchise, and has had more than his own video game (e.g. a TV series)).

When we do this, the "People named Mario:" part on Mario (disambiguation) may be removed, as it is confusing anyway (a list of people named Mario is on Mario (given name)).

Melsaran (formerly Salaskаn) 15:46, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Strong support: I never understood why Mario has the main article anyways. --SeizureDog 23:03, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

• See WP:COMMONNAME for why Mario is at Mario. --Serge 18:30, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Strong oppose: I highly doubt you can think of someone with equal or more notability than one of the most well-known characters in the world. Disaster Kirby^Talk 23:35, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Strong oppose, certainly the most common usage as far as I can see. Mario (given name) is done in accordance with a the others anyway. Wizardman 00:02, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Oppose, clearly most common usage. I can't imagine what else somebody would be looking for if they typed "Mario" into the search header. -- MisterHand (Talk to the Hand|Contribs) 20:22, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Oppose Mostly likely page someone would be looking for if they searched for "Mario" here. John Smith's 21:04, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Oppose Only other Mario I can even think of is Mario Andretti, but I wouldn't expect to find that article under Mario. In the unlikely event that someone is look for something else, the dab link is there. --Serge 18:28, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

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It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. --Stemonitis 11:45, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Mario Series

How about we start an article of the Mario series just like the Legend of Zelda series?? Mr. Mario 192 19:52, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Um...like this? — Malcolm (talk) 19:31, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually that just redirects to the list of games in the franchise. It does not talk about the franchise itself. If it is in this article, perhaps a split? Simply south 13:36, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Twins???

How can Mario be Luigi's older twin brother? --82.207.189.165 10:26, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

He could have been born minutes earlier than Luigi. Mario and Luigi would be considered fraternal twins then. Frankyboy5 05:11, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Mario in Brooklyn

Okay first of all, there were already a lot of debates over this, but I just need to point this out.

Although fanonically Mario does come from Brooklyn, I know of a lot of Mario and Nintendo fans who believe that the Mario in Brooklyn "theory" is incorrect. All of the "proof" comes from non-canonical sources, starting from the DiC cartoon, which slipped trough in Mario is Missing (made by a company not associated with Nintendo) and Nintendo Power. Although Nintendo Power is an official Nintendo magazine, it still isn't a valid and official source. Mind you, they did label the Castle Siege stage from Super Smash Bros. Brawl as the Daein Castle from Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance.

The only official theories settling Mario's roots are the Yoshi's Island games, and so far both disprove the Mario in Brooklyn theory. I do however recognize that Miyamoto still hasn't given us solid evidence that should prove or disprove this theory, but I do believe that the article should be altered because of that.

I did however hear that Miyamoto has said that Mario indeed just came from the Mushroom Kingdom and that the Brooklyn thing is just bullocks, but it does however need citation.--GaryCXJk 00:52, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, mind you that Miyamoto already retconned the Cranky Kong issue, making the current Donkey Kong the same one as in the Donkey Kong game.--GaryCXJk 00:54, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Super Mario 64

Super Mario 64 is not linked. Please change! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.181.5.32 (talk) 11:39, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

Introduction

I have absolutley no idea where to begin but the introduction to this article is ridiculously long and unorganized. It could probably use a rewrite from anyone who can actually compile all the information and take whats useful from it. Glassbreaker5791 19:54, 27 August 2007 (UTC) It also includes much non-canonical information from the television series and movie, like that he was born in Brooklyn, New York, United States, when the canon sources say that he was born in the Mushroom Kingdom and has only been to it and surrounding countries. Whassup with dat? 69.81.178.253 09:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Mario Finale

I think that you should mention Mario Finale MArios Final Smash in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, because you mentioned all the other attacks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.234.118.85 (talk) 18:14, August 30, 2007 (UTC)