Talk:Masterpiece (Madonna song)

Audio clip

As this is an award winning song, but not commercially available, this article should include a sample clip of the song. However, I have absolutely no idea how to do this. Anyone? JKW111 (talk) 10:29, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

I can upload the audio sample from the leaked demo/iTunes promo, but I think we better wait the official album version before inserting the sample. Bluesatellite (talk) 14:28, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

here is a higher quality audio clip than the previous PerezHilton.com version that was so hollow. Have a listen.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:12, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Release

Can we clarify the "release" of the song for the reader. It must have been official enough for this to be eligible for the golden globe somehow. I don't understand the official nature of the release.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:37, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

It means commercial release, single or album. Since there's no confirmation this song as a single, it should be the album release date (March 2012). Bluesatellite (talk) 15:44, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

O.K., but what made this a 2011 song for golden globes? Neither the album nor the movie has been released.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:31, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

It had a limited release in Hollywood in Dec 2011, in order to qualify for both GG and Oscars. JKW111 (talk) 08:18, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Can we source the limited release and/or the newly-reported January 18 release. For the new release, we should be able to fill in the infobox information for Category:Single types. It seems like lead single is now appropriate. Is that correct? Can someone add the Madonna chronology content. and fix M.D.N.A.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:04, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Gabiarakelian (talk · contribs) seems to be a problem editor. I am considering reverting all of today's changes.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:14, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

There is no commercial release yet for the song, even as promotional or as a "single". It has to come from the record company, or from reputed sources like Billboard, Rolling Stone etc. which report on new releases. There are no sources indicating this as a lead single. The lead single from M.D.N.A. is "Gimme All Your Luvin". — Legolas ^(talk2me) 15:25, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Promotional single

This is the last explanation for all, "Masterpiece" is not a single because there's no separate commercial release for the song. You can only buy the track on iTunes only as part of the album, so it doesn't meet the definition of a single. User:Status believed that its radio release makes it a single, but no. Promotional singles are normally sent to radios. Bluesatellite (talk) 03:18, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Unless you can provide a source it's a promo single, it isn't. WP:DUCK calls it a single.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 03:20, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Also, you don't explain to people as if you are the almighty ruler. There was no discussion in the first place as to what the song actually is. We have this thing called consensus.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 03:22, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Outside note: Aren't promotional singles free? — ΛΧΣ²¹ 03:22, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Oh gosh, it's a promotional single per DEFINITION! Check your fact, don't be childish. Go to Madonna's official webstie, no one in Madonna's camp said it a single. Why do you always complicate such trivial thing, like you have also done on The Abbey Road Sessions. -Bluesatellite (talk) 03:54, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

What is the relevance of what a website says? Are you serious? I advise you to watch it, as you are currently verging on personal attacks. There has been consensus already that promotional singles are songs released for free. Such as "Superstar". There has also been consensus that songs sent to radio are singles.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 03:59, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Okay, where is the consensus? Show me please to make it clear. Bluesatellite (talk) 04:06, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

There have been SO many discussions about it. This, I believe, was the latest one.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 04:10, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Specifically, take a look at SunCreator (talk · contribs)'s comment, in which he points out that promo singles aren't eligible to chart in the UK.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 04:12, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

The discussions are so messy to follow. How about starting up a new one?  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 04:17, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

@User:Hahc21, yes, it is. Radios would not buy a song from label, because they help to promote it. Bluesatellite (talk) 03:54, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Seeing and reading all the discussions, this does seem like a promo release for the album. But a nicely constructed article, worthy of B-class. Good job guys. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 11:31, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

IndianBio, the change being discussed here was from single to promo single. An IP went and changed it, but wasn't reverted, yet I was for restoring. Makes sense.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 08:06, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Status and the other contriuting editors, was this song ever released as a single? Was there any announcement from the label or any press release or any mention of it in any media outlet? Seeing that a famous artist like Madonna would have news items associated with her every move, it seems plausible that if we can find a piece of reliable item commenting its release as a single, we can have the singles infobox. Otherwise the sources and explanations seem to make it promo as per my understanding. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 08:19, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

What does an announcement have to do with anything? Show me a citation calling it a promo single. There isn't one. We've beaten this to death previously. Sent to radio = single.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 17:00, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Again, promo singles are issued for free. Sending a song to radio isn't a "promo single".  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 17:00, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Sent to radio = single, really?

• "...Jason Curtis, who serviced radio with the promo single early in January."
• He includes promo single with mailings to radio stations.
• "World Pacific has released a special radio promo single..."
• Relativity serviced a promo single of 'They Like It Slow' to R&B radio.
• "The band had released a promo single in Norway called 'Manis', which was a hit o the radio charts there."

Radio-only release does not make a song single. A lot of songs were sent to radios to promote album. "Masterpiece" is not a single as long as it doesn't have separate commercial release or its single's release confirmation from Madonna's team. Bluesatellite (talk) 05:56, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

I do agree that seeing the sources listed above, there is no indication that this song was released as a single for the album MDNA. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 07:08, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

It's been over a year since my last comment, but now I have mixed opinion about this. I'm still confused about what promo single really is. Yes, I have listed several sources above saying that promo single can be sent to the radio. However, considering official singles like Drunk in Love, Fly Like a Bird, G.U.Y. all do not have separate commercial release from the album, then "Masterpiece" can be regarded as a single too, at least in the UK. BBC Radio 2 also wrote an explicit sentence "Single release: 2 April 2012". So, what do you think guys right now? @Status, IndianBio, and Hahc21: — Bluesatellite (talk) 06:24, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

I still feel the same way as I did last year. I must add, however, that I think it would be more of a single from W.E., rather than MDNA. — Status (talk · contribs) 19:52, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

This source said it was a second UK single from MDNA. This source also described more about MDNA, rather than W.E. Considering that the soundtrack album was released in January 31 and MDNA in March 26, I think a single released in April is more to promote the latter. But then, we can cite both albums, like My Heart Will Go On. Bluesatellite (talk) 00:33, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

I just found that "End of Time" is also cited as single, with only UK radio impact date. I have converted the infobox into single. So, is this problem solved now? Bluesatellite (talk) 00:47, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

That source seems fine for me. I have no citation to back up it being a single from W.E., just a hunch. Everything seems good to me! — Status (talk · contribs) 00:53, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

@Bluesatellite:, you need further changes in a lot of other places like Singles chronology, Templates, Books etc. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 03:09, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

As a Madonna fan based in the UK, this is the first I've heard of Masterpiece being a single. The sources mentioned are from a month before the suggested single release, so it seems more likely to me that it was initially thought of as a single for the UK market, and then they changed their minds and went with Girl Gone Wild as everywhere else. Certainly, GGW was out as a single in the UK in April and May that year, so it seems very unlikely she'd have Masterpiece out at the same time without much promotion. I see even less connection to it as a W.E. soundtrack single than to MDNA because the film was out in January. Why would you release a single three months after the film, especially when the film wasn't a huge success? Gnu andrew (talk) 00:39, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

For the sake of chronology, I have moved your comment to the bottom Gnu andrew. Now we have a radio single release date from BBC and previous consensus on other song articles listed above by Bluesatellite shows that they are listed as singles. "Masterpiece" did not have an independent commercial release, but is a radio single. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 08:16, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

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