Talk:Mazan rapes
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 | The contents of the Pélicot affair page were merged into Mazan rapes on 5 September 2024. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page. |
Fake website
editSomeone keeps trying to insert a link to a fake website giselepelicot.com. The website has featured on the France24 programme Truth or Fake[1]. It is discussed at 4 minutes into the video, which is in English. Southdevonian (talk) 20:24, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Pélicot or Pelicot
editNot something earth-shaking for sure, but still. Recently the French wiki, which had Pélicot and Pelicot written all over their article, modified the spelling from Pélicot to Pelicot (removing the accent, which BTW doesn't change the pronunciation in French). I checked around and indeed most French sources, including Le Monde, AFP and other major media don't have an accent. We could make that change here too. Lubiesque (talk) 00:55, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- I was going by what French Wiki was doing. But if they have removed the accent, then by all means go ahead. Southdevonian (talk) 10:07, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Requested move 11 December 2024
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Mazan rapes → Mass rape of Gisèle Pélicot – Due to her courage to waive anonymity, Gisèle Pélicot is more recognisable and prominent than the place these crimes were committed. (Also, a number of the rape incidents did not occur in Mazan, as indicated on the map in this article). I think "mass rape" emphasises the enormity of the case, but Rapes of Gisèle Pélicot may be equally valid. Thoughts? GnocchiFan (talk) 08:26, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- I too have a problem with the present title, if only because rapes with an s sounds odd - not quite as bad as sheeps but still a bit odd. Although technically it is the plural of rape there are usually ways round it like mass rape, repeated rape, incidents of rape, etc. I am hesitant about putting Gisèle Pelicot's name in the title though. I would prefer Mazan mass rape but open to discussion.
- As for the other places - Drome is where Marechal's wife, not Gisèle Pelicot, was raped. Villeparisis was where the attempted rape of the estate agent took place. Villiers-sur-Marne was where the Pelicots used to live and I think the attacks started there. But, as far as I can recall, none of the accused have been charged with rape in Villiers-sur-Marne. Perhaps none of them could be identified, or Dominique Pelicot hadn't started recording the attacks until the move to Mazan. Southdevonian (talk) 11:41, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - we don't name articles on Wikipedia based on our emotions but based on policies, specifically WP:COMMONNAME. Nominator has not provided any evidence to show that Mass rape of Gisèle Pélicot is the most common name used by reliable English language sources.--Obi2canibe (talk) 21:18, 11 December 2024 (UTC)