Talk:More than a Game

Requested move 5 May 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 01:59, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

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More than a Game → More Than a Game – Contra the undiscussed 2014 move citing MOS:CT, all but the first (ha) reliable source in this search uses uppercase. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 22:27, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per MOS:CT. Than acts as either an preposition or a conjunction. Regardless of which, the guidance tells us to lowercase. Cinderella157 (talk) 00:11, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
• Support reversion of this undiscussed move, per nom. Go with the sources. CT is just a guideline that allows for common sense exceptions and this makes it clearer that this is a title of a work. There's a reason most sources capitalize. Station1 (talk) 03:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
• Support, common name per all of the page sources and External links as well as all of the sources at the soundtrack page. 'Than' is the correct casing. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose – Common sense says to leave it at the styling recommended by our MOS, especially as nobody objected in ten years to the routine case-fix move that cited MOS:CT. Dicklyon (talk) 21:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per MOS:CT. We do not capitalise prepositions or conjunctions in titles of works if fewer than than five letters, and we do not use sources to determine how other publications implement their own style manuals. I'm a firm believer in consistency, and a firm supporter of using our MOS to determine how we style a title. However, we seem to have a wider issue where the MOS is not being applied consistently. See the haphazard way it has been applied here. --woodensuperman 10:53, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

  Who is "We"? Sources are used as determinative in most situation on Wikipedia, and this should be one of them. If all of the plentiful sources and External links on a page give an uppercase listing, and it is an option within the other metrics, then uppercase it is. A foolish consistency does nobody any good, especially our readers. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:13, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

  "We" is Wikipedia. Sources might determine how an article is titled, but we have our own house style that should be followed, the same way that any other professional publication has their own house style. Otherwise, what's the point of WP:MOS in the first place? --woodensuperman 12:24, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, sources should almost always decide how an article is titled. This one would be More Than a Game, which is why this RM is requesting a valid move. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

  "More than a Game" is the title whether it is styled "More Than A Game", "More Than a Game", "more than a game", "MORE THAN A GAME" or even "MoRe ThAn A gAmE". We use sources to determine titles, not to determine style. Note however that TimeOut[1] are using a similar style to ours for this film, but slate.com[2] can't even be consistent within their own article. --woodensuperman 12:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

  Of course sources determine casing in almost all cases, sourcing is what Wikipedia is about and how it usually chooses titling (or should, n-grams note sources), notability, etc. Again with "We", but I understand how you use it even though that's what RM's like this decide. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:53, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

  You couldn't be more wrong. If that was the case, why do we have a WP:MOS? We DO NOT follow sources for routine styling. --woodensuperman 12:19, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

  If, as you correctly point out with your link, most editors use a capital T when titling articles containing "More Than..." (it looks like well over a 3:1 ratio), it means that the guideline does not represent consensus, at least with regard to "More Than...". Where there is no consensus, we should go with the majority of editors, the creator of this article and reliable sources. Station1 (talk) 22:06, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

  See also "Less than" --woodensuperman 12:20, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per MOS:TITLECAPS. This does not appear to be an exceptional case. Graham (talk) 18:37, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.