Talk:Mother Gothel

GA Review

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Reviewer: Cirt (talk · contribs) 05:22, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

In my opinion, this article should first relate to the original Rapunzel character by the Brothers Grimm, and the Disney Character be mentioned afterwards or be given a specific character page stating her to be THE Disney version. I think it is a big must for all Wiki users to be fed correct information, and not let big companies over-shadow that which they took and used what was there before their creation... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oceanblueeyes87 (talk • contribs) 16:58, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

I will review this article. — Cirt (talk) 05:22, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	Yes, the article is both well written and succinct, with good structure throughout.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	Lede intro sect conforms to guidelines both with regards to size and scope.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	Nominator did a good job citing the article throughout to appropriate sources.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	Yes, in-line citations are provided for directly expressed facts and quotes in multiple locations throughout the article, these are easily checked and verified.
	2c. it contains no original research.	No issues here, article relies upon secondary sources throughout.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	Covers multiple aspects of the subject matter in well organized manner.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	Indeed, article is focused on a narrow scope about one character from one film, but does so in a way that is most educational.
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	The article is presented in a neutral manner, giving sourced statements from multiple viewpoints and perspectives.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	Some minor IP concerns to look out for in article edit history, looks like the nominator is on top of these for potential additions of unsourced info, etc. Talk page shows no outstanding major conflicts.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	3 images used, one with appropriate fair use rationale hosted locally on en.wikipedia, and two on Wikimedia Commons with appropriate image information pages and licensing.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	Images are all directly relevant to material discussed in the body text.
	7. Overall assessment.	Good job overall on a most interesting topic about a female fictional character that is well covered in secondary source discussion.

• Wowww well that was quick and painless. Thank you so much!!!--Changedforbetter (talk) 02:43, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

IP Editor changing the info box

As many of the regular editors to this page are aware, an IP has been changing the infobox to claim that this particular character was created by the Brothers Grimm. It seems to be good faith, judging by their other edits, but it's been reverted three times by three different editors (including me). Could this person please stand up and give a rationale for these edits? There is already a consensus in place, and ignoring it means we will have to revert the next edit adding this to the info box. If this continues like this, we may have to take further steps against your apparent (note the word apparent) vandalism. We'd all like to avoid that, so if you could explain your edits so that we can discuss it, that would make everybody happy, Luthien22 (talk) 20:48, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Not a witch

An IP editor using different IPs from same place (likely the person as in above comment) is adding the false information that this version of Mother Gothel is a sorceress and a witch. The article goes into a fair amount of well-referenced detail in the § Conception section of why the creators made that decision: "A departure from traditional Disney villains, Mother Gothel is not a witch or a sorceress. Because she lacks supernatural powers, the character is forced to rely solely on her wit, charm, intellect and charisma, a conscious decision made by Greno and Howard". Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:13, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Ursula is not mentioned by critics

This "Ursula from The Little Mermaid (1989)" has been removed from the lead section [1] as no critics listed in the article stated "However, some critics felt that Gothel was simply too passive" and listed Ursula as an exemplar. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:50, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Potential source

Here is an interesting source for this article here for a more sympathetic reading of the character. Might be helpful in further crafting/revising the "Reception" section. Aoba47 (talk) 04:49, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

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Requested move 7 July 2018

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 17:55, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

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Mother Gothel → Gothel (Tangled) – Gothel redirects to Rapunzel. I request that the title be changed to avoid ambiguity. 107.0.6.250 (talk) 12:38, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose Current title is already a good one per WP:NATDIS - "Using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title". Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:14, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Should Gothel redirect to this page? --73.100.199.220 (talk) 17:29, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Gothel should probably be a disambiguation page that points to both articles. Wait for this move discussion to be resolved first. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:48, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

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"Godmother" in German?

According to Kay Turner, author of the book Transgressive Tales: Queering the Grimms, "Gothel" means "godmother" in German.

This is sourced, but I can't find anywhere easily accessible any indication that "Gothel" (or "Göthel"/"Goethel") is or ever was anything but a name in German. Since such a thing should be fairly easy to find, I suspect this may fall under WP:FRINGE? Twin Bird (talk) 09:27, 22 January 2021 (UTC)