Talk:Nicki Minaj/Archive 1
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Style: Nicki Minaj describes herself as a Harajuku Barbie
Nicki Minaj said she got the saying bitch Barbie from the gay dumb hole she crawled out of that i have a vagina in my pants. how she came up with the saying Harajuku barbie. Even though she doesnt dress like a harajuku barbie according to her she says " the way they dress expreses the bisexualality in me." Basically she likes the name because she knows girls like to play dress up, put on make up etc. and it happen to fit her personality and everyone else so thats how she came up with the name. She is also very sexy. (Smuffin10 (talk) 07:42, 17 March 2010 (UTC))http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkL2r2x6EFg
- That's nice and all, but you need to provide a reliable source of these claims before they can be added to the article. & she nbsp;AcroX 01:18, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
she also likes to have lesbian sex If that's what she says in video content it is perfectly fine to cite it as a source. Providing you use the correct cite template for video content, you will also have to find out where the video originally aired, the date, those interviewing/talking, obtain a link to an archive of the video for future reference, find out what format E.g: Television Transmission, Web content,... then the file type/format of the archived data (FLV usually from youtube.). Youtube can be used as-long as you find out all the above, as per a debate on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard, which most probally can still be viewed somewhere in the archives of past discussions... RAIN the ONE (Talk) 18:58, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
YouTube content is unacceptable unless it is posted by a reliable source that owns the rights to the material: something under .05% of YouTube videos.—Kww(talk) 19:11, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
- Yes which is what I said, as for this particular publisher being reliable, that's for everyone else to decide, as I'm not familiar with their works.RAIN the ONE (Talk) 20:07, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
PROBLEMS
This article is horrible. Why can't it be unlocked?
- The reason given was Excessive violations of the biographies of living persons policy, so that's your answer. In other words, this article is a vandalism and false information magnet, and the protection seemed necessary. But registered users (that have been registered for a few days) can still edit, and fix, the article. If you're so interested helping out here, then why not register an account? AcroX 02:47, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
What is going on here!
First: of all someone DELETED / BLANKED all previous discussuions, non of which were archived, no would needed to have been, because it shouldn't of been blanked in the first place, just vandals on this page all the time.
Second: The image I uploaded was deleted, without discussion, notification, some editor claimed an f9 on it, even though the image was taken by a member of the audience, so it's in the public domain therefore. The new image is pointless as it's already been nominated for deletion, because the uploader obviously isn't experienced because he didn't even provide a fair use rationale for the image, yet alone a detailed one there should be, but that doesn't matter because the image is a copyrighted one, the old one I had was deleted by someone who didn't even bother to research the image, taking the article a few steps back everytime we try and improve it.
Third: Who is adding references like this, half aren't even reliable for a start, rumours added left right and center, worst of all when references are cited, non of the correct perameters are put in place, so they look untidy and missing dates, publishers, authors, titles... urgg... I'm the one who has to keep spending time correcting them. I mean some people edit and vandalise like wikipedia is some trashy fanzine...
For the image read: Wikipedia:Copyrights
Refs: Wikipedia:Citing sources RAIN the ONE (Talk) 18:44, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Nicki Minaj
Nicki Minaj is a female rapper she's 25, and her birthday was in December 8,1984
I've had enough officially, I've done all I can to help this page, but nothing else I can do, you just have to look at the talk page to look who is editing and ruining the page 24/7... Stop promoting your remixes, stop leaving comments for Nicki, do you think it's her guestbook? Stop having 'stan' wars.... stop citing youtube videos, stop citing rap up, stop adding crap, stop deleting the image, stop removing the fact SHE LIKES GIRLS! STOP STOP STOP! Oh and sign your name, no one ever signs there name on this page! RAIN the ONE (Talk) 20:15, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Rihanna - The Last Girl On Earth Tour
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Please delete Tours
Opening Act 2010: Rihanna - The Last Girl On Earth Tour[30], because Nicki Minaj has cancelled the tour to finish completing her album. It's also all over the news. Thank you.
Two days after Rihanna publicized her "Last Girl On Earth Tour," Nicki Minaj, who was announced as an opening act alongside Ke$ha, has pulled out of the trek.
"Barbz I'm sorry 2 say I will not be going out on RiRi's tour. I've decided 2 use that time 4 the completion of my album. Hope u understand," Lil Wayne's protégé tweeted today (April 7). About 19 hours before that message, Nicki posted another tweet that seemed to allude to the forthcoming announcement, stating, "*sighs* how...how do i say this...hope the barbz will understand...hate letting them down. *sighs again while in deep thought*"
No reports yet on whether or not there will be a replacement for the rapper on the 25-date tour.
Sources: [1] [2] [3] --Terrellellis (talk) 06:35, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
- Done -- Ϫ 10:32, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Project tag
I have removed a project tag. Can this be discussed here? TIA --Tom (talk) 14:47, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
- Well die hard fans keep removing anything to do with the fact she is bisexual in the article. After I found refs and they were continually removed, I'm just simply adding the tag.. .RAIN the ONE (Talk) 14:51, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
- ah, ok. I haven't been that involved with what you are talking about, but if her sexuality isn't covered in the article, I would leave it off the talk page until that "issue" is resolved. Anyways, --Tom (talk) 18:31, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Edit request from Munntai, 13 April 2010
{{editsemiprotected}} Year of birth is incorrect, it should read 1984 instead of 1982.
Munntai (talk) 15:18, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
- Until we have a source for this, there is not a need to change the article. Please let us know when you have a good source, and we will make the change.
- Not done Avicennasis @ 16:27, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Edit request from 75.206.105.41, 13 April 2010
{{editsemiprotected}} Nicki was born in 1982, not 1984.
75.206.105.41 (talk) 16:06, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
- Not done duplicate request, see above. Avicennasis @ 16:27, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Poor wording
"Nicki Minaj (born Onika Minaj, on December 8, 1985)[1], better known by her stage name Nicki Minaj,"
If you take out the brackets, it makes no sense. "Nicki Minaj, better known by her stage name Nicki Minaj" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.33.160.246 (talk) 12:47, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Bisexual
There's no hyphen in bisexual. Spelling mistake on page.
- Well edit it then, sign your name too... RAIN the ONE (Talk) 03:03, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Edit Request: Nicki Minaj DOB 12/82 proof - Lexis public records
File:Http://img99.imageshack.us/i/onikamarajdob1282.png/
link here: http://img99.imageshack.us/i/onikamarajdob1282.png/
Meggiep (talk) 18:08, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Not done This is the apparent results of a search and not something from a secondary source. See WP:BLP#Misuse of primary sources for additional guidance. —C.Fred (talk) 18:45, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Edit Request: Nicki Minaj born in 1982 not 1984 PLEASE FIXXXX
The article cited for her age doesn't even have her date of birth on it! Can it be removed? There are also several comments on the internet from people who went to high school with her saying her date of graduation. Can that count as a secondary source for her age, to corroborate this? http://img99.imageshack.us/i/onikamarajdob1282.png and this http://www.mediatakeout.com/40134/exclusive_rapper_nicki_minaj_is_lying_about_her_age.html
This one says she graduated class of 2000, making her around 18 then, thus around 28 now. No way she could be 24.
Also this from: http://mediatakeout.com/mobile/content/?view=34930
"Nicki Minaj aka "Cookie" aka Onika Maraj is TOO DAMN OLD to be talking this step your pussy up garbage. Damn cookie, you wasnt like that in high school. what the hell happend? dont let this evil industry corrupt your mind. You know damn well you wasnt on thet "bang bang shoot em up" or the "step your pussy up" bull back at Laguardia HS. you are damn near 30 yrs old (yes she's 27 going on 28) and you talking this mess? for real tho?"
- Done - her age has been removed pending a reliable source. — Jeff G. ツ 03:06, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Edit Request: Nicki Minaj born in 1982 not 1984 PLEASE FIXXXX
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What more evidence do you need besides a LEGAL DOCUMENT to show when she was born? And until then, could you PLEASE TAKE DDOWN her fake birthday? There's not even any verification for it!
- Done — Jeff G. ツ 03:05, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Clarificaiton
"Minaj grew-up in a home with an abusive father who drank alcohol and did drugs and one time tried to kill her mother by setting the house on fire." Did Minaj or her father try to kill her mother? 128.208.58.171 (talk) 03:56, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
She impiles that her mother is still alive when she says "If I'm successful, I can change her life."
http://www.details.com/celebrities-entertainment/music-and-books/201005/hip-hop-artist-nicki-minaj#ixzz0pUU8Hw6z —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.218.20.132 (talk) 07:41, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
- Done — Jeff G. ツ 03:05, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Edit request from Reed61, 14 May 2010
{{editsemiprotected}} Please add the mix tape "Bonnie & Clyde" by Drake & Nicki Minaj under the mixtape sections of their Wikipedia pages. Here is the track listing:
# | Title | Length | Samples |
---|---|---|---|
1 | "Woo Hoo" | 1:00 | |
2 | "I Think She Likes Me" | 3:06 | |
3 | "All I Do Is Win (Remix)" | 5:15 | |
4 | "Hold Yuh" | 4:09 | |
5 | "Dang A Lang (feat. Trina)" | 4:33 | |
6 | "Lil' Freak (Remix)" | 3:50 | |
7 | "Massive Attack (Ted Smooth Remix)" | 2:48 | |
8 | "I Bought That" | 4:17 | |
9 | "Hello, Good Morning" | 4:44 | |
10 | "July" | 3:49 | |
11 | "Find Your Love" | 3:16 | |
12 | "All Night Long" | 2:11 | |
13 | "4 My Town (Ted Smooth Remix)" | 3:49 | |
14 | "Over" | 3:36 | |
15 | "Shut It Down (feat. The-Dream)" | 4:00 | |
16 | "Fall For Your Type" | 4:24 | |
17 | "My Generation (Feat. Damien Marley & Nas)" | 3:42 | |
18 | "Pussy Niggaz (Feat. Jae Millz)" | 3:37 | |
19 | "Currency (Feat. Rick Ross & Trina)" | 3:25 | |
20 | "Freestyle Live At The Carrier Dome" | 0:55 |
Reed61 (talk) 19:42, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
- Edit requests require reliable sources; if you can provide such a source, please reinstate the request, thanks. Chzz ► 22:40, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
Not done
Edit request: take down her fake birthday!
There is NO PROOF that she was born in '84.
Since you will not use the PROOF that she was born in '82, from PUBLIC LEGAL RECORDS ON NEXIS, just don't list her birthday!
http://www.mediatakeout.com/40134/exclusive_rapper_nicki_minaj_is_lying_about_her_age.html
http://www.dipinthemix.com/News/DIP-DAILY-Nicki-Minaj-Vs-Nicki-DaFraud/0BBEDFFFF01859E03001600EAE673 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.117.242.194 (talk) 01:23, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Edit request: how long is it going to take for you to take down her FAKE BIRTHDAY? and stop perpetuating lies!
I am so sick of this article listing her FALSE age! She was born in 1982! See the above entries with comments posted on the internet. Can you AT LEAST take down her FAKE birthday so she can stop PERPETUATING LIES AND UNREALISTIC STANDARDS????
There is NO PROOF that she was born in '84.
Since you will not use the PROOF that she was born in '82, from PUBLIC LEGAL RECORDS ON NEXIS, just don't list her birthday!
http://www.mediatakeout.com/40134/exclusive_rapper_nicki_minaj_is_lying_about_her_age.html
http://www.dipinthemix.com/News/DIP-DAILY-Nicki-Minaj-Vs-Nicki-DaFraud/0BBEDFFFF01859E03001600EAE673
please at least REMOVE her FAKE date of birth! there is NO PROOF and there are LEGAL RECORDS showing she was born in **1982**!!!
Wikipedia if you want more credibility...STOP PERPETUATING LIES!!!Adaveyp (talk) 15:08, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
You can cite these sources saying there is some dispute over her age. (until you fix your non-truthful claim that she was born in 1984!)
http://www.mediatakeout.com/40134/exclusive_rapper_nicki_minaj_is_lying_about_her_age.html
http://www.dipinthemix.com/News/DIP-DAILY-Nicki-Minaj-Vs-Nicki-DaFraud/0BBEDFFFF01859E03001600EAE673 look at me, I SIGN IT Adaveyp (talk) 15:12, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
- I had removed it earlier, and didn't notice it had crept back in. Removed it on the basis of it being unsourced.—Kww(talk) 15:13, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Edit request from 71.71.238.246, 31 May 2010
{{editsemiprotected}}
- Please describe the changes you want made, explaining what text should be removed and what text added, and why. Don't post a copy of the whole page and expect us to work out how you've changed it. Algebraist 13:37, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
No proof for her age- can you please remove?
I don't understand why we can't use legal records as a source because the legal records on Mediatakeout show that she was born in '82. Until then can you please remove her fake date of birth. No proof. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adaveyp (talk) 01:23, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
It's widely circulated that this high school pic of her http://theybf.com/2010/01/11/guess-these-school-kiddies is from Laguardia High school, class of 2000. Which would make her 18 in 2000...and 27 until her birthday in December 2010. In comments here: http://rapradar.com/2010/01/09/nicki-minajs-high-school-photo/ Why doesn't the Mediatakeout page count? http://www.mediatakeout.com/40134/exclusive_rapper_nicki_minaj_is_lying_about_her_age.html Adaveyp (talk) 01:35, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
- I removed the age again as unsourced. None of these sources appears to be reliable. Doing the math based on high-school graduation date is right out: people graduate from age 16 to 19, with 17 and 18 being most common.—Kww(talk) 02:25, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
2010, Best Group (Young Money)- Nominated but they won !!!!
2010, Best Group (Young Money)- Nominated but they won u need 2 fix it !!! http://betawards.bet.com/nominees/category/best-group #ym so plz fix it thk u —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.44.70.25 (talk) 08:04, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
i'm new to wikipedia so i haven't figured it out fully. but someone need to upload a GOOD picture of her. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TMilanS (talk • contribs) 05:34, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
hey —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.217.228.13 (talk) 00:55, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
- Done — Jeff G. ツ 03:00, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Edit request from Team Minaj Squad, 14 July 2010
Nicki Minaj was born on the island of Trinidad and raised there the first five years of her lift by her grandmother. She moved to the United States when she was five to live with her parents.
Source: June/July article of Vibe Magazine with Nicki Minaj on the cover Team Minaj Squad (talk) 19:31, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Ref tidy
- 8978755423:
Reference numbers 11, 24, 25, 31 and 37 need tidying up. Add all the correct parameters in and so on. They look a mess. I've done it before, can't keep up.RAIN the ONE (Talk) 01:57, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
- Done — Jeff G. ツ 02:51, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
- That was quick. Good work. :) RAIN the ONE (Talk) 03:29, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Could you add that there is some dispute over her age?
The info from Mediatakeout saying she was born in '82 is correct. I think it is bad to promote her fake age because it gives people the idea that they have to be young to make it in the industry. If you won't acknowledge the truthfulness of it can you at least acknowledge that her age is disputed? You do not know if Vibe has a thorough and accurate fact checking process and the info on MTO was retrieved from a reliable source, the Nexis public files. http://www.mediatakeout.com/40134/exclusive_rapper_nicki_minaj_is_lying_about_her_age.html [1] Adaveyp (talk) 14:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Edit request from 75.177.71.231, 10 August 2010
{{editsemiprotected}} nicki minaj birthday is december 8 th ,1984 can you put that so people who come on will no her birthdate you had it before and i dont understand why you removed it but can you put it back btw she is 25
75.177.71.231 (talk) 18:29, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. It was removed as unsourced in this edit. Salvio Let's talk 'bout it! 19:00, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Evidence that Onika Maraj was born in 1982
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http://mediatakeout.com/42883/we_can_now_say_with_absolute_certainty___nicki_minaj_is_lying_about_her_age____how_do_we_know____cause_an_mtoer_accessed_her_official_health_records_screenshots.html
These health records show that Maraj was born on 12.8.1982[1]...could you please change her date of birth from December 8, 1984 to December 8, 1982? Thanks!Adaveyp (talk) 14:42, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
- Not done That is most definitely not a reliable source. --Stickee (talk) 14:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Agree with previous editor's response.
{{editsemiprotected}} Why isn't this a reliable source? This is the 2nd proof on MTO of Onika being born in 1982...don't the two corroborate each other? I personally have access to Nexis files and found the same info, that she was born in '82, but because of the bizarre "no independent research" thing I can't list it. It's all over the internet that she is older as well, things written by people who were classmates of hers. It's perpetuating unrealistic expectations in the music industry for you to list her fake age. You not writing the truth on this page is an example of why Wikipedia can't be trusted, because it's not always accurate. A shame that you refuse to put the truth on this page. Adaveyp (talk) 16:47, 13 August 2010 (UTC) aha - you have her real birth year in the box on the right but not listed in the text at left. please change her birthdate from 1984 to "December 4,1982". Adaveyp (talk) 16:49, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
- Not done:. That's not a reliable source, because it lacks editorial oversight; please read Wikipedia:Rs#Self-published and questionable sources. Salvio Let's talk 'bout it! 17:35, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
So Y'all Gonna Change Her Birthday From 1984 to 1982 WHHHYYYY Because MEDIATAKEOUT.Com Huh? Don't Confuse The Readers That Want To Know NICKI MINAJ INFORMATION KNOW IT BEFORE POSTING IT PLEASE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.141.143.209 (talk) 18:41, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
Wrong Song
Nicki Minaj did not sing in the song "Get Your Money Up" by Keri Hilson, that was Trina who sang this song. There is actually a remix to this song that extracts Trina's verse and replaces it with Nicki Minaj's, so technically this is correct. Can you please fix this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.45.187.237 (talk) 11:18, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Dear "76.218.112.178" -
Assuming good faith? Verifiable proof of this alleged condition would be required before any possible changes to the article.
So, sorry...no.
(^This preceding comment was in response to a posting that has since been removed. Shearonink (talk) 02:59, 16 August 2010 (UTC))
The song was a remix. It's actually called "Get Your Money Up", and it was by Keri Hilson off of her "In A Perfect World..." album. It features Trina, but it is not Trina's song. Nicki Minaj replaces Trina's verses in the remix. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.91.8.125 (talk) 02:27, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
MTV2 awards
Nicki Minaj has been nomatied for the MTV2 awards 5 times: Best Verse of the year for My Chick Bad, Best Remix for for Gyptian's "Hold Yuh" and Best Video of the year for "Roger That" 'HOTTEST BREAKTHROUGH MC OF 2010, (Best Remix)Diddy–Dirty Money f/ Nicki Minaj, Rick Ross "Hello, Good Morning" (Remix) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.126.252.221 (talk) 10:37, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
- Is that info from a reliable source? Can we verify it? Thanks! — Jeff G. ツ 03:01, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Here is the link for the annoucment of Nicki Minaj being nominated for MTV's Sucka Free Summit " Hottest Breakthrough MC of 2010" http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1643904/20100716/minaj__nicki.jhtml —Preceding unsigned comment added by Team Minaj Squad (talk • contribs) 04:16, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
As another thought comes to mind, it is believed that Nicki Minaj is THE black Lady GAGA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.149.38.206 (talk) 02:46, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
Keys
Should there be something here about Keys? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.233.135.156 (talk) 23:51, 16 July 2010 (UTC) no eff keys —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.73.64.40 (talk) 20:00, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
BARBIE WORLD ISSUE
I still do not understand why Barbie World is listed as an official mixtape. That mixtape clearly was not official as Nicki Minaj did not even know about it (she didn't know Your Love leaked; why would she put out a mixtape with Your Love on it and not even know it leaked?). If you're going to put out Barbie World, you might as well put out every other unofficial mixtape out there like The Barbie Diaries and 50 other ones. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.195.109.26 (talk) 23:12, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Merrickwt (talk) 01:22, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
- Not done: This page is for his albums. You can add his singles to Nicki Minaj discography which is not protected. Thanks Stickee (talk) 02:53, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Before you post another request for the Nicki Minaj article, please read this first
A couple of things...
- I would suggest that every single person posting here about this 'birthdate' issue should assume good faith, be nice to each other and refrain from personal attacks.
- If you suggest an addition to the article, the Wikipedia article policies that keep this place an encyclopedia are also important: no original research, neutral point of view and the threshold for inclusion in WIkipedia: verifiability, not truth.
- Since Ms. Minaj is a living person, any article about her must also adhere to the biography of living persons' guidelines.
- Any autoconfirmed Wikipedia editor can edit a semi-protected article, that means anyone whose account is at least four days old and who has ten or more edits to Wikipedia can edit this article. If you see a way to improve the article, then do it!
- Try the Wikipedia Editing-Help Channel if you have questions about editing here at Wikipedia.
- Take a look at your first article for some great tips about editing.
- Hope that helps.
- Cheers, Shearonink (talk) 01:51, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
Ethnic heritage
- According to a piece by Kevin McGarry The New Queen Bee Meet Nicki Minaj, Ms. Minaj is "of African, Trinidadian and Indo-Asian descent".
- CaribWorldNews says she is a "Trinidad-American" Trinidad-American Rapper is VMA Nominee.
A recent editorial change in the article has her ethnic heritage as being "of mixed Indian and African descent" but this designation doesn't seem to tell the whole story of her parentage. Consensus from other editors is needed as to the 'heritage' wording in the article on any variation or combination of the following: African, Trinidadian, Indian (Asian), Indo-Trinidadian, Indo-Caribbean, etc.
- The description in the current article is all we have and I think it's fine. The New York Times magazine article describes her as ""of African, Trinidadian and Indo-Asian descent"... but Trinidadian isn't an ethnicity; it's a nationality so being "of Trinidadian descent" says nothing. Most of the people in Trinidad are of Indian (Indo-Trinidadian) or African (Afro-Trinidadian) descent. The "Indo-Asian" refers Indo-Trinidadians and her real surname, Maraj, is definitely a variant of an Indian Hindu surname. Of course neither "Indian" nor "African" are ethnicities either, but I doubt she knows what part of Africa or part of India her ancestors are from. AyanP (talk)Ayan —Preceding undated comment added 01:21, 18 August 2010 (UTC).
- Personally, I would omit any such information and speculation about her 'ethnic background' unless you have really good reliable sources (which agree) to verify it.
- I agree re. AyanP's comments re NYT; let's face it, the whole concept of 'ethnicity' is flawed; she is just as American as any other American, and that is all there is to the matter. If her Mum/Dad are from other countries, then state those simple facts - but we don't need to draw conclusions from it.
- If you go back just a few thousand years, we all come from Africa anyway. Hence, I think all these 'ethnicity' questions on forms and so on are nonesense.
- But for Wikipedia...it is simple. We need to simply say what the reliable sources say, nothing more, nothing less. If multiple reliable sources state her ethnicity as Trinidadian, or whatever, then we should put that in - verifiability, not truth.
- If reliable sources disagree, then we could add an appropriate note at the bottom, elaborating upon it; for an example of how to do that, see how it is done in the article on Jimmy Wales, or the caption under the picture at the top-right in Marco Polo.
- So, to clarify: I suspect that the facts will be very difficult to establish, and I really do not see the point in causing grief through attempting to speculate, so I suggest we just omit it.
- If consensus decides to keep the info in, then it needs to be carefully neutral, reflecting the balance of reliable sources. 'Stuff the tiger. Chzz ► 04:46, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
Update to that: When going through the references in this part, I decided that the only 'fair' thing would be to quote from NY Times. I don't see we need to link the nationalities personally (WP:OVERLINK). Hope this is OK; if people have other ideas, please discuss it here. Chzz ► 12:11, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Birthplace?
- Examiner.Com(Los Angeles) has her birthplace as Trinidad.
- Billboard.com says she was born in Trinidad.
- McGarry has her birthplace as being Queens The New Queen Bee Meet Nicki Minaj.
Consensus needed from other editors as to which is verifiable.
Nicki Minaj was Born in Trinidad and Tobago in St. James as she mentioned at her concert in Trinidad if you dont believe me check youtube where she says she is from St. James. Nicki Minaj could not have been BORN in Queens, New York and then at the age of five she MOVED there,that makes no sense she was in Trinidad for her early childhood until the age of five, billboard.com also says that she was born there. @Yvesnimmo
- Billboard.com says she was born in Trinidad. @Yvesnimmo
744cody (talk) 02:54, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
- Perhaps she was born in Queens, moved to Trinidad very shortly, then moved back to Queens at the age of five. The New York Times has her birthplace as Queens. YouTube is not a reliable source. Yves (talk) 03:04, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
yea —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.185.20.16 (talk) 06:18, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- The New York Times is WRONG. I am scandalized that people think she was born in Queens!!! Please, the woman has said in numerous interviews that she was born in Trinidad. You guys have got to be kidding me. (mikomango (talk) 03:10, 23 November 2010 (UTC))
Nicki Minaj's Ethnic background
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
- Please refer to the "Ethnic heritage" section on this talk page, to discuss this issue further
She is of mixed Indian and African descent.[5] <---This should be edited
Why didn't you just leave it as you had it before: "Nicki Minaj is mixed of both Afro-Trinidadian and Indo-Trinidadian descent" It makes it more easier to visualize and it makes more sense too, seeing that she was born in Trinidad. Because you having "Indian and African descent." doesn't really say what "Indian" You are referring to: It could either be American-Indian or Indian from India. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Team Minaj Squad (talk • contribs) 01:43, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
- Indians are people from India. Nobody calls Native Americans "Indian" anymore, especially not on an encyclopedia site. AyanP (talk) 01:23, 18 August 2010 (UTC)Ayan
- Agreed.
- Also, and for any further comments, see "Ethnic heritage" above. Thanks, Chzz ► 04:58, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
Please refer to the "Ethnic heritage" section on this talk page, to discuss this issue further (I'm marking this thread as closed, to avoid thread confusion) Chzz ► 04:58, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
Sexuality
I swear the last time I visited this page, it claimed that she was bisexual. And I've heard several interviews in which she described herself as a bisexual. Now all of a sudden she's "bi-curious"? WTF is this inconsistency? 24.189.87.160 (talk) 01:18, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
- If there is a verifiable reliable source that quotes Ms. Minaj as saying that she is bi-sexual then feel free to add the fact & its references to the article. Shearonink (talk) 03:07, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
- Never mind that, I researched the matter a bit, and it turns out that she backpedaled on her earlier claims of bisexuality. I understand that the site I linked to is a blog, and under normal circumstances, blogs aren't accepted as reliable sources, but Nicki said this in an interview with a magazine, and the blog merely discusses her comments. But perhaps her change of mind can be mentioned in the article? 24.189.87.160 (talk) 06:19, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
- If she said it in a magazine, and we can provide details of the magazine, then sure; however, I am not sure if it is a fact. If you Google for ""an openly bisexual rapper," Minaj", and follow up the links... well, try it. What it looks like is, that this Details website here seems to have asked a question, As an openly bisexual rapper, do you think hip-hop is getting more gay-friendly?, and the blog is claiming that the fact she answered the question is a confirmation of some kind. Not quite the same thing, I hope you'll agree - and illustrative of why great care is needed over these types of references. Chzz ► 21:57, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
- I get what you're saying; she needs to have explicitly announced herself as bisexual and not just merely hint at it in order for it to be mentioned in the article, and she did do so in an interview somewhere, but I unfortunately do not have direct access to it in order to be used as a reference. Still, I understand you want to avoid lawsuits over this. 24.189.87.160 (talk) 22:23, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
- If she said it in a magazine, and we can provide details of the magazine, then sure; however, I am not sure if it is a fact. If you Google for ""an openly bisexual rapper," Minaj", and follow up the links... well, try it. What it looks like is, that this Details website here seems to have asked a question, As an openly bisexual rapper, do you think hip-hop is getting more gay-friendly?, and the blog is claiming that the fact she answered the question is a confirmation of some kind. Not quite the same thing, I hope you'll agree - and illustrative of why great care is needed over these types of references. Chzz ► 21:57, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
Edit request from Vee34, 16 September 2010
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i would like to request that you change trinidian- american rapper to just trinidadian rapper because trinidian american implies she was born in america and just has trinidian descent if a artist is born in trinidad and raised there they would be trinidian and also i would like you to change the part about her saying she not bisexual in a interview on the radio two weeks ago she sed she doesnt date men link (http://www.rap-up.com/2010/09/07/nicki-minaj-talks-monster-verse-drake-marriage-dating/) this is what nicki has to say on her sexuality "
y, ” Her bottom line: No labels. “People who like me -- they’ll listen to my music, and they’ll know who I am. I just don’t like that people want you to say what you are, who you are. I just am. I do what the fuck I want to do.” She likes to beckon ladies to the stage at her shows, brandishing a marker for sweaty boob-signing sessions, but 95% of her racy lyrics are about encounters with men. Adding that she’ll grab her best friend’s breasts for fun far from paparazzi cameras, she says, “The point is, everyone is not black and white. There are so many shades in the middle, and you’ve got to let people feel comfortable with saying what they want to say when they want to say it. I don’t want to feel like I’ve got the gun pointed at my head and you’re about to pull the trigger if I don’t say what you want to hear. I just want to be me and do me.” link (http://out.com/detail.asp?page=2&id=27391)
Vee34 (talk) 01:40, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
- Not done: Her ethnic background has been discussed before in the past in this section, in which the consensus appeared to be trinidian-american. Please establish a consensus before conducting the change to the article. Thanks, Stickee (talk) 02:47, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not quite sure what your request is, Vee34. I basically agree with Stickee.
- Also re: Trinidadian American...according to the Wikipedia article on the subject, "Trinidadian and Tobagonian Americans are Americans of Trinidadian and Tobagonian heritage or immigrants born in Trinidad and Tobago who achieve United States citizenship."
- Ms. Minaj is in this category since most references indicate she was born in Trinidad and is now apparently a U.S. citizen. If you can find a reliable source that indicates differently, then have at it, be bold, register and feel free to change it to a well-referenced edit yourself.
- What is in the article about her heritage should be what has been written about Ms. Minaj in a reliable source. Unfortunately, various editors over time have been changing her ethnicity/heritage multiple times from one description and back to another without properly-referencing those changes. Her interview with Kevin McGarry that appeared in the New York Times indicates that her background is "African, Trinidadian and Indo-Asian descent". Your opinion might be different as to what she 'should' be called, but according to Wikipedia standards what should appear in the article regarding her heritage must be a verifiable properly-referenced statement.
- Re;:Ms Minaj's sexuality... In the article that appeared in OUT magazine(itself a rendering of an article that originally appeared in Black Men magazine), the exact quote is "I don't date women and I don't have sex with women" and "But I don't date men either". The 'Personal life' section is a well-reasoned distillation of the ambiguity surrounding Ms, Minaj's sexuality - her various statements in her own words as to what her sexuality is and is not are usually couched in ambiguous terms, so those verifiable statements are included and referenced in that section. Shearonink (talk) 03:44, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not quite sure what your request is, Vee34. I basically agree with Stickee.
okay i agree with you on the trinidian american thing but i dont understand why you are putting the statement she made about not dating woman but can not put that she said does not date men either which she said in out magazine and you can hear her clearly say in a radio interview from 2 weeks ago she has never said i am not bisexual or said she was bi sexual but yet you have that in the personal life section she not bisexual THATS NOT RIGHT i believe for her personal life you should either just take everything off or put that quote she said in out magazine "People who like me they’ll listen to my music, and they’ll know who I am. I just don’t like that people want you to say what you are, who you are. I just am. I do what the fuck I want to do. “The point is, everyone is not black and white.There are so many shades in the middle, and you’ve got to let people feel comfortable with saying what they want to say when they want to say it. I don’t want to feel like I’ve got the gun pointed at my head and you’re about to pull the trigger if I don’t say what you want to hear. I just want to be me and do me.” link ((http://out.com/detail.asp?page=2&id=27391)-OUT MAGAZINE INTERVIEW ..link (http://www.rap-up.com/2010/09/07/nicki-minaj-talks-monster-verse-drake-marriage-dating/) RADIO INTERVIEW ----in both of these she says she doesnt date men and was made after the vibe magazine article if you dont change it to that quote she says or change the personal life to saying nicki doesnt date men or women i would advise you to just take the personal life part outVee34 (talk) 01:40, 16 September 2010 (UTC) *** Reposted on 19 September 2010 at 06:34 by Vee34
- Something odd happened to some comments from September 16-September 19. I am sure in good faith that editors' comments were moved around but also editors' comments are apparently being left unsigned?... Whatever happened, if you feel it's necessary to move a post to where you think it should appear (to the bottom of a discussion perhaps?), please make sure the comments don't lose their signature. Also *if* you leave a comment, please please please remember to sign it with the four of these ~ (they're called tildes). AND, if you leave a comment, make sure there aren't any spaces between the first word and the left side of your monitor/screen...otherwise the post will trail way off to the right, have a box around it and not look correct.
- Vee34 Please try to break up your thoughts into sentences, I'm sure it's just me but I had a hard time reading your September 16/September 18 or 19(?) post. Ms. Minaj stated in OUT magazine that she doesn't date women and she doesn't date men The Curious Case of Nicki Minaj(OUT magazine interview with Nicki Minaj)...that sounds fairly ambiguous, she could be saying she's celibate...but in any case I have added that reference to the 'Personal life' section of the article. --Shearonink (talk) 20:26, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
okay so again all you did was say one part of what she said you put she doesnt date women . Why dont you add in there that she says she doesnt date men since she has said it not once but twice in the radio interview and in the OUT interview .Or just take off the whole personal life section. that doesnt make since to put half of what she says but not put the part where she says she doesnt date men .. CHANGE IT
- I had thought I added the information from the OUT magazine article where Ms. Minaj stated she doesn't date men and that she doesn't date women, apparently I did not. Another editor had kindly already added the quotes when I came back in to the article to update it. A couple of things...
- Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia accessible to all and run by volunteers. That means anyone can edit and all are welcome. If an editor has 10 edits and has been editing for 4 days then they are autoconfirmed. In your case you have 3 edits and have been editing since September 16th, all you have to do is perform 7 more edits and after September 20th you'll be autoconfirmed and will be able to edit semi-protected articles.
- Vee34, please sign your posts with four of these things ~. The Wikipedia system will automatically sign your Wiki-handle to the post and everyone will know who they're talking to.
- I know this issue is important to you, but when you type in caps, it looks like you're shouting. Cheers, Shearonink (talk) 01:08, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Edit request from Bkgoonies, 17 September 2010
nicki is half chinese not indian u need to get that right and edit it Bkgoonies (talk) 23:45, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Salvio Let's talk 'bout it! 23:50, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
Edit request from Caramellachika, 24 September 2010
{{edit semi-protected}} Please add an image to the page. Taken from Zimbio.com this is a link: http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/PrVKM7xu0M2/Janet+Jackson+Malik+Yoba+Visit+BET+106+Park/1TmyvQCleSn/Nicki+Minaj. Caption: Nicki Minaj on Bet's 106 & Park on March 31, 2010 in New York City.
National origin?
Minaj was born in Trinidad and Tobago, raised in the US. Were her parents from the US or did they immigrate? This should probably be explained in the article. And if the latter is the case, Minaj should be referred to as Trinidadian, not American. –Chase (talk) 04:31, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
- I've been trying to find out whether she's a US citizen (in which case she should presumably be referred to as "American"), or not, and I'm actually not sure that she was born in Trinidad and Tobago. We cite an article in Vibe that says:
- LONG BEFORE ALL this, Nicki was a little girl in Trinidad who missed her mom. Born in 1984, Onika Tanya Maraj spent her first five years in a clown-car of a house, full of cousins and friends and animals. Her grandmother ruled the roost and, between the ages of 3 and 5, was Nicki’s stand-in mom. Nicki’s parents would send for her later— once they were set up in Queens.
- Now, this doesn't explicitly say she was born in Trinidad, just that she lived there for her first five years; she could have been born in Queens but sent to Trinidad shortly after she was born. The reason I raise this possibility is that a number of sources do say she was born in Queens: this article in the New York Times Style Magazine says so explicitly, and both her Myspace bio and her bio on allmusic call her a "native" of Queens, which I think literally means she was born there (although maybe they just mean she grew up there). On the other hand, this article from Billboard says Trinidad is her birthplace.VoluntarySlave (talk) 05:29, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
- I would say that the "native of Queens" comments are in reference to growing up there, especially since Billboard notes that she was born in Trinidad. But of course, (as far as I know) there are no reliable sources discussing whether her parents originate from Trinidad or America. I would be inclined to refer to her as Trinidadian rather than American in the opening sentence, at least until there is some sort of clarification. –Chase (talk) 01:01, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- The Billboard article isn't a great source, though; it seems to be from some kind of gossip blog on their site, and seems to have blog-level standards of research, for instance reporting an event at "MSU" without checking what university is specifically being referred to ("which we're assuming is Michigan State University"). The only explicit RS we have, as far as I can see, is the NYT magazine article, which says she was born in the US. It may well be wrong, but I think we need to stick with it unless newer sources report something different.VoluntarySlave (talk) 17:20, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
- Blogs published by reliable sources are generally reliable, plus I believe Mariel Concepcion writes for Billboard's main columns sometimes. –Chase (talk) 17:56, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
- The Billboard article isn't a great source, though; it seems to be from some kind of gossip blog on their site, and seems to have blog-level standards of research, for instance reporting an event at "MSU" without checking what university is specifically being referred to ("which we're assuming is Michigan State University"). The only explicit RS we have, as far as I can see, is the NYT magazine article, which says she was born in the US. It may well be wrong, but I think we need to stick with it unless newer sources report something different.VoluntarySlave (talk) 17:20, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
- I would say that the "native of Queens" comments are in reference to growing up there, especially since Billboard notes that she was born in Trinidad. But of course, (as far as I know) there are no reliable sources discussing whether her parents originate from Trinidad or America. I would be inclined to refer to her as Trinidadian rather than American in the opening sentence, at least until there is some sort of clarification. –Chase (talk) 01:01, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
in nicki's song "autobiography" she suggests she has/had a child and that "-if it was in gods plans maybe we could meet again" i was wondering if a.) she had a teen pregnancy b.) if she had an abortion or put it up for adoption.. could someone please answer these questions for me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.185.0.191 (talk) 01:21, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
- Songs ≠ real life. Yvesnimmo (talk) 01:28, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
Edit request from HillviewBigBird, 11 October 2010
{{subst:edit semi-protected}} Please edit the origin. She was born in trinidad and tobago Not jamaica
HillviewBigBird (talk) 07:08, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. She was born in Southside Jamaica, Queens. Yves (talk) 07:11, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Edit request from Tinycookiez, 20 October 2010
{{subst:edit semi-protected}} nicki minaj was born in trinidad however while she was in trinidad for 5 years her sister was born in newyork,camille miraj, who migrated to trinidad when she was two with her aunt. . her brother who is 13 years of age and was born in newyork jamaica queens in new york hospital queens. Tinycookiez (talk) 18:07, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Yves (talk) 18:16, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
Edit request from 121.127.195.133, 30 October 2010
{{subst:edit semi-protected}} The article says she is first female to have seven songs in the Billboard Hot 100 charts but the citation provided goes to a website saying it's the Billboard Top 200 singles charts
121.127.195.133 (talk) 02:38, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- Not a request, but I've changed the reference to match the text. There is no such thing as the Billboard Top 200. Yves (talk) 02:58, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Early life section, birthplace mystery...seeking consensus
There have been some recent changes re: the first paragraph in the Early Life section. I am seeking consensus from interested editors as to the general form of the first sentences of the Early Life section.
Should the first two sentence be something along the lines of
- Nicki Minaj's birthplace is disputed, with some sources claiming Queens, New York, and some Trinidad. She was born to parents of Indian and Afro Trinidadian descent.
(birthplace mystery) followed by (known birth information) or should the first two sentence be something like
- Nicki Minaj was born to parents of Indian and Afro Trinidadian descent. Her birthplace is disputed, with some sources claiming Queens, New York, and some Trinidad.
(known birth information) followed by (birthplace mystery)
Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 04:20, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
- Nicki Minaj was born in Trinidad. Any publication claiming otherwise is absolute foolishness. (mikomango (talk) 03:12, 23 November 2010 (UTC))
Album release date
Currently says "Minaj's debut album, Pink Friday will be released on November 19, 2010", but her twitter page http://twitter.com/nickiminaj bio says it will be released on Nov 22, 2010. Selena (talk) 16:28, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
- Obviously the page of an American artist would have an American date. The album has already been released in several countries. Yves (talk) 18:50, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Edit request from Sheljuku, 25 November 2010
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minaj currently has two brothers and one sister, rashel range who lives in the Grand Cayman,jaquawn and jashwan cillops who lives in Queens NewYork. !-- End request --> Sheljuku (talk) 19:43, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
See below. Qwyrxian (talk) 22:29, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
Edit request from Sheljuku, 25 November 2010
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minaj currently has two brothers and one sister, rashel range who lives in the Grand Cayman,jaquawn and jashwan cillops who lives in Queens NewYork. !-- End request --> Sheljuku (talk) 19:43, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. That kind of information needs a reliable source; but even if you found it, it doesn't necessarily belong in the article, as the number and location of her siblings isn't particularly notable to her article. Qwyrxian (talk) 22:29, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
Edit request from XxStepUpxx, 13 August 2010
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I would like to change the picture.
XxStepUpxx (talk) 13:43, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
- Not done for now What picture would you like placed there? Make sure the image complies with the image use policy and does not infringe copyright. Please create another request when you have replied. Thanks, Stickee (talk) 13:57, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
"And its all thanks to my Lil sister Katrina Davis . She has helped me so much threw this & i miss her a lot" Nicki told the press one morninq . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.101.3.127 (talk) 00:35, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
Born in Trinidad
We finally know where she was born. In the liner notes of Pink Friday, she writes: "TRINIDAD!!! WE DID IT!!! Thank you so very much for all the love and support. I am truly honored to have been born on the most beautiful island in the world!" Will change this with a cite. –Chase (talk / contribs) 02:03, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- Woahaohaoahahhhh lets have a discussion about this first. If we are going to call her this at least call her Trinadadian-American as she moved to the US at age 5 and has declared numerous times that she hails from Jamaica, Queens, New York. Candyo32 02:26, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- But we don't know for certain her nationality. We can't call her American unless she has citizenship there. Yves (talk) 02:29, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- Woahaohaoahahhhh lets have a discussion about this first. If we are going to call her this at least call her Trinadadian-American as she moved to the US at age 5 and has declared numerous times that she hails from Jamaica, Queens, New York. Candyo32 02:26, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- It's generally unnecessary to specify citizenship in first-sentence descriptions. And regardless, as Yves said, we have to have sources showing she has American citizenship. –Chase (talk / contribs) 02:34, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Well this citzenship determines whether she can be called "Trinidadian" or "Trinidadian American." For example this same debate was on Bieber's page about "Canadian" or "Canadian American." & Ok I guess Yves' point is true. I'll look into it more. But if both of her parents were US citizens at the time of her birth which is highly indicated here then she would automatically have citizenship. But its not sure. Candyo32 02:38, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- Citizenship is a very legal matter. We have to have papers. We can't go off reports. And as I said, we generally don't specify citizenship when referring to a person's nationality. –Chase (talk / contribs) 02:40, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- Furthermore, "Trinidadian American" could possibly imply that she is American and only of Trinidadian descent, which isn't the case. –Chase (talk / contribs) 02:42, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- Just because other interpretations are possible does not mean nothing should be included. That's just like saying not stating someone is an "African American" because it might imply they are an African of American descent. I could see if we were talking about an international artist who may have gotten US citizenship, but someone who has been in the US as long as Minaj is different. Also, I mean for every bio on Wikipedia that has dual heritage/citizenship claims in the article, do we seriously link their actual papers? Candyo32 02:46, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- Furthermore, "Trinidadian American" could possibly imply that she is American and only of Trinidadian descent, which isn't the case. –Chase (talk / contribs) 02:42, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- "an international artist who may have gotten US citizenship". That's exactly the case with Minaj. And yes, we do need legal papers to make the hefty claim that she has American citizenship. –Chase (talk / contribs) 02:49, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- I didn't clearly state what I mean. Say Justin Bieber for example, who didn't move to the United States when he was older after discovery and per chance might have dual citizenship, compared to Minaj, who moved at an early age, not for reasons dealing with entertainment, and claims Queens as her hometown. Also saying legal papers are needed for the claim is just like saying that we need her birth certificate to cite her Trinidadian citizenship. Candyo32 02:59, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- "an international artist who may have gotten US citizenship". That's exactly the case with Minaj. And yes, we do need legal papers to make the hefty claim that she has American citizenship. –Chase (talk / contribs) 02:49, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- The situation isn't any different than Bieber's. Both are non-Americans who immigrated to the US. If Minaj does have American citizenship it might be interesting to note, but she should still be referred to as Trinidadian in the opening sentence. When introducing a subject in their article, we generally don't specify citizenship right away. I don't see why Minaj should be any different, especially when her origins in America are documented here. Plus, do we even have sources that say she has US citizenship? We need to find sources for that before the discussion on Trinidadian vs. Trinidadian American goes any further. –Chase (talk / contribs) 03:18, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- Come on now, do you really think it is possible that she could've been lived in the US for over 20 years since early childhood and NOT be a US citizen? Besides, I'm not sure we can even accurately compare her situation to Bieber's, since we don't really know if he actually lives in the US, there's a likelihood that he merely just works here, but still calls Canada home. Is there any sort of rule around here that says if there's a possibility a person has dual nationalities that it must be verified that they are legally a citizen of their non-native land? If she considers herself American, then that should be good enough, no? 24.189.87.160 (talk) 10:59, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- What she considers herself is frankly irrelevant. She was born in Trinidad and there's no sources supporting that her family is of American origin, thus we shall refer to her as Trinidadian. And yes, there is a rule regarding such a matter: WP:V. –Chase (talk / contribs) 00:54, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, and Regina Spektor was born to Russian parents in Russia, but immigrated here at the age of 9. Yet her article refers to her as Russian-American. Because she has dual nationality. Do we make sure that every article of every person who was born in one country and raised in another has references to personal documents stating that they are a legal citizen of their adopted country? Honestly. 24.189.87.160 (talk) 03:20, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- Yes. Yves (talk) 03:22, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- Yep, needing to see verify documents sounds about right to me as well. Nicki Minaj is Trinidadian, people need to let this one go.--mikomango (talk) 07:36, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
- Yes. Yves (talk) 03:22, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, and Regina Spektor was born to Russian parents in Russia, but immigrated here at the age of 9. Yet her article refers to her as Russian-American. Because she has dual nationality. Do we make sure that every article of every person who was born in one country and raised in another has references to personal documents stating that they are a legal citizen of their adopted country? Honestly. 24.189.87.160 (talk) 03:20, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- What she considers herself is frankly irrelevant. She was born in Trinidad and there's no sources supporting that her family is of American origin, thus we shall refer to her as Trinidadian. And yes, there is a rule regarding such a matter: WP:V. –Chase (talk / contribs) 00:54, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Alter Egos
According to Nicki Minaj on the recently aired George Lopez's "Lopez Tonight", her alter ego "Roman Zolenski" is a gay boy, not her twin sister. she mentioned this when asked to name and describe her alter egos by George Lopez. Plaese change this. Here is the URL link--> http://sandrarose.com/2010/12/george-lopez-gives-nicki-minaj-a-booty-protector-she-introduces-another-alter-ego/ Kiddbuzz18 (talk) 01:49, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
Redundancy
Could someone please change the description of Pink Friday as Minaj's "first debut album" in the summary section to just "debut album?" "First debut" is redundant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MilesTrane21 (talk • contribs) 02:15, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
- Done -- Shearonink (talk) 03:24, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Please
Can you please change that picture to something else. That picture is really old. Please, change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.90.66 (talk) 15:00, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
- Wikipedia can only use copyright-free images in its articles. Sorry it's so 'old' but that photo must be the best image of what's available that we can use. Shearonink (talk) 15:09, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Not the first artist with seven songs on the Billboard Hot 100
The Beatles had 14 in the Hot 100 the week of April 11, 1964. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.224.91.20 (talk) 04:45, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
- The Beatles were a band, Ms. Minaj is a single artist so that assertion(first solo artist with seven songs) is probably true. Unfortunately, I cannot find the sourcing that proves the assertion about the Beatles' 14 singles so the claim about Ms. Minaj should be left in until an editor comes along with sourced proof. Shearonink (talk) 05:21, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Martha Zolanski
I think you guys should add 'Martha Zolanski' as her alter ego, and "mother" of 'Roman Zolanski'. You guys can see Moment 4 Life#Music video. And, there, they stated that 'Marhta' would make a physical debut. Thks...--117.20.163.202 (talk) 10:27, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Edit request from {{subst:CURRENTUSER}}, 9 August 2010
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In the section for Discography, add the collaborative work with Sean Kingston labeled "Letting Go (Dutty Love)".
Thanks,
William Merrick
PICTURE
EWW, Pleaseeeee change that picture of Nicki Minaj. I BEG YOU. That picture is SO ugly! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.90.66 (talk) 01:44, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
- If you can find a better picture which is free of copyright, please do. Chzz ► 14:42, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
2011 Grammy Nomination
Can someone please add that Nicki Minaj's collaboration with Ludacris on "My Chick Bad" under the "Best Rap Performance By a Duo or Group" is a pending nomination at the 2011 Grammy's? 173.48.139.113 (talk) 08:25, 1 January 2011 (UTC) Please, can someone write that Nicki has a grammy nomination!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.89.207.99 (talk) 15:20, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
- It has been added already. Chzz ► 14:45, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Collaborations with Kanye West, and also MAC Cosmetics
Her collaboration with Kanye West in the single "Monster" should probably be added, but I'm not sure if there's enough information about it at reliable sources as of yet. Also, is her "Pink 4 Friday" lipstick collab with MAC Cosmetics noteworthy enough to go on this article? Psy Pants (talk) 22:32, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- The critical requirement, for any such suggestion, is to supply links to reliable sources. Chzz ► 14:46, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Pink Friday debut
The article says Pink Friday debuted number 2 on the Billboard 200 under Susan Boyle, but it was under Kanye West's My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy - http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1653330/kanye-west-tops-billboard-chart-with-my-beautiful-dark-twisted-fantasy.jhtml —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.88.170 (talk) 18:49, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
- There's no mention of Boyle in the article (as of now). Chzz ► 14:48, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Edit request from Melrocks50, 16 January 2011
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Please change "Pink Friday, which charted at number two on the US Billboard 200, with Susan Boyle holding her off the top spot." to "Pink Friday, which charted at number two on the US Billboard 200, with Kanye West's My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy holding her off the top spot." because the information is wrong because Pink Friday was actually kept off the top spot by Kanye West (http://www.billboard.com/#/charts/billboard-200?chartDate=2010-12-11).
Melrocks50 (talk) 16:24, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
Partly done:I removed the false info, but didn't add the part about Kanye West, because we really shouldn't say in this article who was in number 1, especially in the lead. This article is about Minaj, not about the billboard chart. It might make sense to include this info in Pink Friday, but not here. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:47, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Martha
Nicki stated several times about another one of her Alter-Egos named "Martha" who was the mother of her son "Roman". 68.48.90.66 (talk) 17:50, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
I AM MUSIC TOUR
NICKI MINAJ STATED THAT SHE WILL BE JOINING LIL WAYNE ON HIS "I AM MUSIC TOUR" VIA TWITTER! http://twitter.com/#!/NICKIMINAJ/status/29608887552315392 68.48.90.66 (talk) 17:50, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
- Not relevent, unless reported elsewhere. See reliable sources. Chzz ► 14:52, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
READ
You should let someone else take control over this page, because your really not doing a good job. 68.48.90.66 (talk) 17:49, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
- I have no idea who you are speaking to; nobody owns a page. Anyone can suggest changes. The main problem we have is, people don't supply reliable sources. Chzz ► 14:53, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
iPhone App
Nicki Minaj has released her iPhone app today titled "My Pink Friday"! It is 99 cents, and is compatible with iPhones, iPod Touch, and iPads. 68.48.90.66 (talk) 17:51, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
- If you want something changed, please give a reference to a reliable source, such as a newspaper article. Thanks. Chzz ► 14:54, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Lil Kim
Do you think that Nicki's on going feud with Lil Kim might be worth a mention? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.8.120.112 (talk) 15:36, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- I don't know; do you have any references to reliable sources? Chzz ► 14:56, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
AWARDS AND NOMINATIONS!
NICKI MINAJ AND LUDACRIS ARE NOMINATED FOR A GRAMMY WITH THEIR SONG TOGETHER "MY CHICK BAD"... YOU SHOULD ADD THAT UNDER "PENDING"..... http://www.grammy.com/nominees?year=2010&genre=28 68.55.53.191 (talk) 22:12, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
- That information is in the table (as of today) Chzz ► 14:58, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
They lost :-( 68.48.90.66 (talk) 00:05, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
FAQ
It would be great, I think, if we could condense the often-asked queries on this page into a FAQ-thing, like the one at e.g. Talk:Barack_Obama/FAQ, so we could put it at the top of this page. (See top of Talk:Barack Obama for the idea).
If you can help with that...well - I'll make a start now; please add to it.
Date of Birth
Nicki herself clearly states she was born December 8, 1984. So, shes currently 25. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHKnwJkhzy4&feature=related
[1] Shelbybby16 (talk) 20:28, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for that; interesting to note, although not a reliable source, unless this 'www.Hot937.com' thing keeps all its videos forever, and is considered to have a decent reputation for its coverage. But really, we don't need it; we already have two reliable sources stating her year of birth.
- To add the actual date, we'd need a better reference than that; YouTube isn't a reliable source - except very occasionally, when it is some official 'channel' thing. But...well, it looks like, at present, her actual DAY/MONTH of birth hasn't been published independently, so it is best leaving it out.
- The problem is, there are some non-reliable sources claiming a different year, claiming that she is lying about it, and therefore people keep insisting on changing it.
- Often, people misunderstand;
- Wikipedia only cares about verifiability, not truth!
- People sometimes lie about their age; that is none of our business unless some reliable source has reported on the issue. If some (RS) newspaper, magazine or something decides to write about this alleged date-of-birth, then we'll happily cite it, and appropriately cover the fact.
- Currently, I have seen no evidence of any such coverage.
- I just wish others would understand the above, and stop changing the date; sadly, we've had to semi-protect the article because people insist on adding facts without reliable sources. All we can do is, keep an eye on the article, and try to explain to people about the need for references.
- Anyway - sorry to go on about it; it's an ongoing problem. Thanks for mentioning about the video. Chzz ► 03:15, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
The only citation provided in the article to confirm that specific date is from a French-language website that seems itself likely to have gotten that date from wikipedia. Aside from the fact that a reputable english-language source had not been found to confirm that date her birth year is in need of a reliable source.Duhon (talk) 08:52, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
- I agree, and your tagging [4] was fine. Vibe [5] only says 1984, the year, and yes, culturefemme [6] does give the date - but, considering the controversy, etc, I really do think the DoB should be removed - in accord with WP:BLP - unless we can source it better. Chzz ► 14:41, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Yeah I agree with its removal. I actually think having it up is somewhat irresponsible, a lot of these websites now simply get information on subjects from wikipedia and we may have cases where the source used to cite the date actually got the date itself from wikipedia. Sort of a self creating catch-22. Duhon (talk) 04:06, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
- Just someone please make sure that if the year/date is deleted (which of course is fine by me since there doesn't seem to be reliable -sourcing on the matter) that a firm 'comment' could perhaps be placed within the coding for the article to try and keep another unending chain of reversions & deletions regarding the birth-year from happening again. Shearonink (talk) 13:10, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
- Ok, having spent too much time today researching Ms. Minaj's birthdate, her birthyear and her birth-month, this is what I have come up with so far. VIBE magazine states that Ms. Minaj was born in 1984. VIBE is a published magazine with an editorial-oversighted website and a quarterly magazine, so the year/date of 1984 should not be in dispute. I have been unable to find any otherreliable sources, such as a published biography/book or an artist's profile in reliable-source media (Rolling Stone, VIBE, etc.) that actually states her full and complete birthdate. That being said, the present tag of 'unreliable source' doesn't accurately describe the state of the sourcing regarding Ms. Minaj's birth date/month/year. There is coverage in numerous sources about Ms. Minaj's various birthday parties in December 2010 stating that these events were for her 26th birthday. But, this information is not specifically and completely written out in these other sources as 'December 8, 1984'.
- So, this is what I have come up with as a verifiable and sourced edit...
- I took out the reference to the complete date in the lede.
- I then changed the first sentences in Nicki Minaj#Early life to the following:
- Minaj was born in 1984(VIBE reference) in Saint James,(Trinidad Express reference)(Pink Friday album Notes reference)(Billboard.Com reference) (a suburb of Trinidad and Tobago's capital city Port of Spain). She celebrated her 26th birthday (December 8, 2010)(La Culture Femme reference)(Boombox.Com reference) on December 9th in Las Vegas.(HipHopWired reference)(TMZ.Com reference)
- I hope that's ok. Shearonink (talk) 15:38, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
TOUR
Nicki Minaj said that her tour kicks off in march! can you http://mypinkfriday.com/users/nicki/blogs/626521add that! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.90.66 (talk) 01:48, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
- That blog is not considered a reliable source, sorry. Chzz ► 14:44, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
but that is Nicki Minaj's OFFICIAL website101TylerT (talk) 23:53, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Archive
This talk page has an archive, but currently it is not automated.
I suggest we auto-archive all threads older than, say, 3 months from this page.
Any objections, please state them below. If nobody shouts for a week or so, I'll do it. Cheers, Chzz ► 15:11, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
- I've now done this. Chzz ► 23:40, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Date of birth
Some internet websites contain rumours that the year of birth for this artist is 1982 instead of 1984, based upon an alleged screenshot of a medical database.
However, this has not been seen on a reliable source.
Please do not change the date-of-birth unless a) you can provide a reliable source, and b) you ask on this talk page before changing it
All additions to Wikipedia need to be verifiable. A reliable source is something with a 'reputation for fact-checking and accuracy', and editorial control. Examples include mainstream newspapers. If in doubt, check on the reliable sources noticeboard.
We would like to keep this article unprotected, so that anyone can edit it, so please, only add facts with reliable sources.
Please respect the guidance regarding biographies of living people.
Many thanks, Chzz ► 20:55, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
billboard hot 100 singles
7 singles on the billboard hot 100 is far from a record. the Beatles had twice that in April 1964. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.24.252.68 (talk) 01:30, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
NICKI MINAJ MIGHT HOST SHOW "X FACTOR"
NICKI MINAJ IS IN TALKS WITH HOSTING THE HIT SHOW "XFACTOR" HERE IS PROOF : http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/03/nicki_1.html 68.48.90.66 (talk) 20:50, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
AWARD
NICKI MINAJ NOMINATED FOR THE 1ST EVER "MTV O MUSIC AWARDS"............... SHE IS NOMINATED FOR: "Must Follow Artist on Twitter" , "Must Follow Artist on Twitter" , "Fan Army FTW" , and "Favorite F**k Yeah Tumblr" ,..... PROOF: http://omusicawards.tumblr.com/ and http://twitter.com/#!/MTVOMA http://www.theboombox.com/2011/04/05/tyler-the-creator-and-nicki-minaj-lead-mtv-o-music-awards-noms/ 68.48.90.66 (talk) 21:29, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Origin
She was born in Trinidad and Tobago and "Her parents were of Indian and Afro-Trinidadian ancestry", and, "she lived in Saint James, Trinidad and Tobago[10] with her grandmother until age five, because her parents were looking for a place to live in the Queens borough of New York City at the time"....... So how come her "ORIGIN" is stated as "Queens, NY"?! 60.51.94.70 (talk) 11:39, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
- "Origin" is different from "birth place": the template documentation tells us the origin field is for where the singer or group originated, which, if used, should be different from the birth place. Yves (talk) 18:32, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Nicki's Official Website
Don't you think it would be worth adding in Nicki's official website? [1] She has confirmed her tour with Britney Spears on this, as well as many other things worth mentioning within the article. Surely there is no more reliable source than her official website? Missminajj (talk) 02:28, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
- It's already in the article, both in the infobox and in the external links section. Yves (talk) 02:35, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
Remix with Britney Spears and Ke$ha for "Till the World Ends"
Will someone please add in the section 2010 and present that Nicki Minaj collaborated with Britney Spears and Ke$ha for the remix of Till the World Ends? I have already put in the song in her singles chronology but someone needs to confirm that she was also in the song. For more information about Till the World Ends please click on the page for the song.
Qafreeman23 (talk) 04:00, 26 April 2011 (UTC) Qafreeman23 04:00, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
References
- ^ www.mypinkfriday.com
AWARDS
NICKI HAS BEEN NOMINATED FOR THE "MTV JAPAN VMAS" FOR "BEST COLLABORATION" W/ WILL.I.AM FOR THE SONG "CHECK IT OUT"! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.90.66 (talk) 01:19, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Possible 2nd Album
I've heard rumors that Nicki Minaj is working on a 2nd album. Should we add that into the article? These are the sources that I have seen: http://theurbandaily.com/music/theurbandailystaff2/nicki-minaj-second-album/ http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.14830/title.nicki-minaj-plans-to-make-announcement-about-second-album-in-september —Preceding unsigned comment added by Awesome444a444 (talk • contribs) 15:41, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
BET AWARDS
NICKI MINAJ HAS BEEN NOMINATED FOR 3 BET AWARDS. ADD IT! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.55.53.191 (talk) 08:12, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
LAST ETHNICITY DEBATE LOL
Alright. Nicki Minaj is Trinidadian, and from my understanding of their history (and personal experiences as I AM Trini as well), it's mostly black people and brown people of East Indian descent. Onika's last name is Maraj, which is of Indian origin, but we already knew that. The "Afro-Trinidadian" part does not mean she's African, it means she's black. And black people originate from Africa. Therefore Indo-Trinidadian and Afro-Trinidadian does not mean she's African, Indian, and Trinidadian, it means she's Trinidadian with descendants from India and Africa. Most black people and brown people in Trinidad consider themselves Trini, though, and not African or Indian... Afro-Trinidadian and Indo-Trinidadian is more of a "scientific" term to detail origin. In a recent issue of King Magazine, Nicki Minaj also confirms that she's part Asian. Reference link here: http://www.nickiminajphotos.com/details.php?image_id=3469 Considering that there is quite a numerous amount of Chinese Trinidadians in Trinidad, this is possible and quite common. And yes, I said Chinese. The only asians that ever --68.79.98.217 (talk) 22:48, 5 April 2011 (UTC)--68.79.98.217 (talk) 03:28, 5 April 2011 (UTC)made it to the island were Chinese. Maybe there are new immigrants from other Asian countries now in recent times, but back in history, the Chinese were sent here as laborers just like the Indian. However, that's just my opinion.
Bottom Line: Nicki Minaj is Trinidadian of "African", Indian, and Asian descent. http://www.nickiminajphotos.com/details.php?image_id=3469 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.165.193.216 (talk) 05:52, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
- Please read the policies and guidelines regarding synthesis, original research, and verifiability.
- Bottom line: we'd need reliable sources to make a change. Chzz ► 14:55, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
- Nicki Minaj's family is from Trinidad, however, she was born in Jamaica, Queens, New York. http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Nicki-Minaj-Biography/26478622F823F40E4825762A0021181C, specifically the southside of Jamaica which is a part of queens, which is a part of New York, NY. Therefore, she was born in the united states. It should say she is a Trinidadian American. Saying she is from Trinidad is like saying either 50 cent or Beyonce are from africa,--68.79.98.217 (talk) 03:04, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- The link you provided is not a reliable source. It has been verified that she was born in Trinidad. [It is written in the liner notes of Pink Friday, if you're interested.] Yves (talk) 03:06, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- She was raised in the US and is a citizen of the US, so that makes part of her origin the US. Plus, her parent label is here and she's lived here the majority of her life. And when a person who is born in Canada becomes a citizen, the yare refered to as a Canadian American/. And if that not enough, most of her success is in the US, so discography wise, its an improvement to list it first--68.79.98.217 (talk) 03:28, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- Maybe this is confusing you... There are no reliable sources stating that she is a citizen of the United States. It is 100% possible for her to live here 20+ years without getting neutralized. Therefore, we cannot label her American. And your argument "most of her success is in the US, so discography wise, its an improvement to list it first," most of the Australian Kylie Minogue's success in in the United Kingdom, but we don't treat the case any different. I Help, When I Can. [12] 03:56, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- Niki Minaj is an American because she was born in the Americas (of which the Caribbean is a part) and spent most of her days in the Americas.198.151.130.69 (talk) 04:00, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- I believe you may have your geography mixed up. The only part of the United States in the Caribbean are a few minor outlying islands, and Trinidad isn't one of them. A reliable source is required to claim she is Trinidadian-American. Citizenship laws are different for every country, and sources are needed to verify this legal claim. It does not matter where her success lies; in fact, highlighting songs with high peaks and successful charting is seen as a violation of Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy. We strive to represent facts fairly on Wikipedia. You could argue the same for Rihanna, who is Bajan and not American: she has seen much success in the United States, yet her discography article, which is considered one of the best on Wikipedia, lists the US last, of course, because the countries follow alphabetical order. Yves (talk) 04:03, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- Niki Minaj is an American because she was born in the Americas (of which the Caribbean is a part) and spent most of her days in the Americas.198.151.130.69 (talk) 04:00, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- Maybe this is confusing you... There are no reliable sources stating that she is a citizen of the United States. It is 100% possible for her to live here 20+ years without getting neutralized. Therefore, we cannot label her American. And your argument "most of her success is in the US, so discography wise, its an improvement to list it first," most of the Australian Kylie Minogue's success in in the United Kingdom, but we don't treat the case any different. I Help, When I Can. [12] 03:56, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- Nicki Minaj's family is from Trinidad, however, she was born in Jamaica, Queens, New York. http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Nicki-Minaj-Biography/26478622F823F40E4825762A0021181C, specifically the southside of Jamaica which is a part of queens, which is a part of New York, NY. Therefore, she was born in the united states. It should say she is a Trinidadian American. Saying she is from Trinidad is like saying either 50 cent or Beyonce are from africa,--68.79.98.217 (talk) 03:04, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- While "People unconnected with the United States rarely call themselves American" and "The English-speaking world normally uses the word to refer to a permanent resident of the United States of America, or a person born in the U.S. and identified with it", and Canadians abroad typically resent being referred to as "Americans", there is nothing technically wrong with referring to a non-US person native to the Americas or raised in the Americas as an "American". 198.151.130.69 (talk) 00:25, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
- Thers's a difference, because Rihanna spent her entire life in Bajan and only move to the US becuz a US label saw internest in her. However, although there is debate over where Nicki was born, she lived in Queens, NY, NY for a lot of her child hood, before a music career was even thought of. With that being said, she does have more reason to call the US her country of origin. And I didn't mean do it, becuz she saw the most success there. I just dont get why your trying to argue against the fact that she lived in the US for most of her life, when it infact makes it look better. --68.79.98.217 (talk) 22:45, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Plus Nicki Minaj is too much in the public eye to be illegally in the US. She would have been deported by now if she wasnt, especially with all of the laws, same with Rihanna.--68.79.98.217 (talk) 22:48, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Hm, she might not be an "American" but she sure as heck has been a "New Yorker". So why not just say "Trinidadian and New York" and leave it at that? — Rickyrab | Talk 00:35, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
- A New Yorker is an American--68.79.98.217 (talk) 02:25, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Onika Tanya Maraj is not a verified citizen of the United States of America. What part of that is hard to understand? There is no grey area in that. All of our citations confirm her birth in Trinidad and Tobago. That's it. End of discussion. At least that is the end of the discussion until her paper work is released, or something. I Help, When I Can. [12] 03:21, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
- But what if she publicly self-identifies as American? Would that not be enough to rightfully classify her as American? Are we certain that the nationality of every person who has an article on here is verified through legal papers? 24.189.87.160 (talk) 08:26, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
- Eh, scratch that. I already made that point once, I'm repeating myself. But I still would love to see proof that you guys are this strict on the matter on the articles of other people. 24.189.87.160 (talk) 08:39, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
- We are that strict. If reliable sources said she was born in New York, that's another story, but reliable sources say she was born in Trinidad. American laws about citizenship basically state, if you are born in America, you automatically get citizenship. Minaj was not. Do you get it? I Help, When I Can. [12] 00:44, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
- We are, and we have to be. If you click the link at the top of the page, you can see guidelines on article for biographies of living persons. Facts should come with reliable sources. Wikipedia also operates under a neutral point of view policy, so highlighting the US because she has seen the most success there (i.e., "[making] it look better") is not appropriate. Yves (talk) 00:50, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
- Eh, scratch that. I already made that point once, I'm repeating myself. But I still would love to see proof that you guys are this strict on the matter on the articles of other people. 24.189.87.160 (talk) 08:39, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
- But what if she publicly self-identifies as American? Would that not be enough to rightfully classify her as American? Are we certain that the nationality of every person who has an article on here is verified through legal papers? 24.189.87.160 (talk) 08:26, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Wow the ignorance on this thread is disconcerting. I mean are you guys still in primary school or what? Just because you have success in a particular country doesn't make you a citizen of that country. Example: The Beatles had huge and still have a huge success in the US but its members are british. Same with Rolling Stones. Just because you are born somewhere else and live in the US doesn't automatically make you an illegal immigrant. There are things called permanent residence identification card aka green card. Also she could have been naturalized (and not "neutralized" like mentioned above) after getting the green card. In either case there's nothing wrong with not being a US citizen and since there's not explicit sources saying so you can't just put that she's an american citizen. Finally, most people born in South America, the Caribbean or Canada do not call themselves americans although they could but the term is rarely used in that case. Tipp-X17 (talk) 03:12, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Genre
One of Nicki's genre should definitely be Pop —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.121.189.17 (talk) 01:32, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
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she just got married to drake over this past weekend
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The IPA transcription given is [miˈnaʒ] and I'm pretty confident the i should be changed to ɪ. Also, in the line "she became the first artist ever to have seven songs within the Billboard Hot 100 at the same time" in the lede, I think "on" would be a better word than "within". 68.35.40.154 (talk) 00:50, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- Partly done: I have done the second part, but as I'm no expert on IPA, I have left the first one. GaneshBhakt (talk) 14:35, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- IPA done. — kwami (talk) 04:52, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
is it just me or does this article seem astro-turfed like hell?
with many ips/login names that have only edited pages related to nicki minaj
it is sad to see that pr companies are patrolling and editing wikipedia pages for the purpose of shameless promotion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.172.83.188 (talk) 22:02, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Nicki Minaj
Nicki Minaj has recently made her album Pink Friday with rappers: Kanye west, Will.I.am, Lil' wayne, Eminem, Drake. And also singers: Natasha beddingfield and Rihanna! Nicki is absolutley Brilliant, even thought she is bisexual it doesn't make any difference, she is just amazing. Her main alter ego Roman Zolanski (mother is martha zolanski) always seems to be compared to Eminem's Alter ego Slim shady! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mary1999snowman1 (talk • contribs) 16:47, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Nicki Minaj gets her 1ST TOP 5 Hot 100 with Super Bass and was the 1st female hip-hop artist to do so since Missy Elliot in 2002
Add this and also CHANGE Her PICTURE its old !!!!! she needs more information too ! and pictures Here is the credible resource for this <refhttp://mypinkfriday.com/news/38601[1] ></ref>http://mypinkfriday.com/news/38601 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.112.233.158 (talk) 18:14, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
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According the police report that Nicki Minaj filed after being assaulted by her assistant, Ms. Minaj listed her date of birth as 12/8/1982. The article currently lists her DOB as 12/8/1984.
Micjuslin (talk) 20:42, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
- ...and do you have a link to a reliable source that shows this? (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 21:29, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
- I don't know if TMZ is a reliable source, but they have her police report listed on the website with her date of birth listed as 12/8/1982. Georgia Peachez (talk) 00:40, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- Marking as answered due to discussion happening below Jnorton7558 (talk) 09:48, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- I don't know if TMZ is a reliable source, but they have her police report listed on the website with her date of birth listed as 12/8/1982. Georgia Peachez (talk) 00:40, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Nicki Minaj Also did I AInt't the lady to mess with for wwe victoria theme song
dont they need to add this — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.245.113.76 (talk) 00:49, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Full list of alter-egos?
Would it be appropriate to add an entire list of Minaj's alter-egos? I'm not sure if a "reliable" source can be found for every single one, but I've counted a total of fifteen:
- Barbie AKA The Harajuku Barbie
- Cookie
- Dear Old Nicki
- Dexter
- Lap Dance Nika
- Martha Zolanski
- Nicki Lewinsky
- Nicki Teresa
- Nicole Smith
- Nicki Lewiskey — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.174.116.144 (talk) 04:40, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
- Nicki the Boss
- Nicki the Ninja
- Norman AKA Blanket
- Onika Maraj
- Roman Zolanski
- Rosa
- And, of course, Nicki Minaj
I don't know if Wikipedia considers this information relevant enough, but I'd be willing to try to find sources for as many as possible if needed. Mhavril39 (talk) 06:27, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
- I would say, "Add a section on her image and style," but it's already there. I think that the current info is enough. I Help, When I Can. [12] 05:59, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
DOB
Not 1984 but 1982 because she lied about her age - [7]RaintheOne BAM 04:39, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- Accept → Ok... Looks possible. Gotta wait for others to establish consensus. I Help, When I Can. [12] 04:47, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- "lie" is a bit strong, isn't it? After all, who doesn't take liberties with their age? (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 10:27, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- I'm leaving the whole "lied" thing to the wayside. What the news does prove is her birth date, which is important. I Help, When I Can. [12] 11:40, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- Does it? I could type up something that looked like that in about 1-1/2 minutes (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 12:17, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry, but TMZ has a track record. I'm siding with them. I Help, When I Can. [12] 21:50, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, they have a horrid track record (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 23:46, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- Really? I can't really think of any stories off the top of my head from them right now that were wrong or not confirmed and checked by the time they were published. I am going to invite others to this discussion. I Help, When I Can. [12] 00:54, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, they have a horrid track record (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 23:46, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry, but TMZ has a track record. I'm siding with them. I Help, When I Can. [12] 21:50, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- Does it? I could type up something that looked like that in about 1-1/2 minutes (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 12:17, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- I'm leaving the whole "lied" thing to the wayside. What the news does prove is her birth date, which is important. I Help, When I Can. [12] 11:40, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- "lie" is a bit strong, isn't it? After all, who doesn't take liberties with their age? (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 10:27, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Please be careful with that to avoid WP:CANVASS. Your best move would be to post at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard and that is all. This looks pretty reliable and people in the entertainment business mess with their birth year all the time. I am interested in the fact that the offense occurred up the street from where The Munsters live. MarnetteD | Talk 01:25, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Reliable_sources, section "Misuse of primary sources", says "Exercise caution in using primary sources. Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person. Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses. Where primary-source material has been discussed by a reliable secondary source, it may be acceptable to rely on it to augment the secondary source, subject to the restrictions of this policy, no original research, and the other sourcing policies." Relevant here? Dan56 (talk) 01:30, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
- Yes. The police report strengthens the TMZ story then. I Help, When I Can. [12] 01:39, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
- 510 news sources reported on the story - some could be considered reliable and others not.. so maybe if you look through some and see if any reported on the age issue. A lot of those though from a quick scan through are obviously just reporting straight off TMZ's article.RaintheOne BAM 02:54, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
- Yes. The police report strengthens the TMZ story then. I Help, When I Can. [12] 01:39, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
- If TMZ was considered reliable enough for major news corporations like Fox and NBC to use them as a source when reporting Michael Jackson's death and Rihanna's assualt then it's production of the police report is reliable. While I agree with Dan56 I argue that the primary source here is not being used to make an assertion as such. Stars often (inconsistantly) lie about their age, birth name etc. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 13:58, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
- Let's not highlight "lie" ... I have found in 30-some years that women in general are prone to underemphasize their age; women in the spotlight even moreso. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 14:31, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
- I do not like the way you worded that, but whether she lied isn't the important argument right now. Is this birthdate accurate is the debate point. I Help, When I Can. [12] 15:05, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
- What I am suggesting from a policy perspective is that if WP:CONSENSUS is that the TMZ source is valid at this point in time, then use it, AND that those who are using the possibly-considered very strong word "lie" are possibly wading into WP:BLP violations that we would not want to touch. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 15:19, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
- Looks like no opposes. Shall we proceed? I Help, When I Can. [12] 15:22, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
- What I am suggesting from a policy perspective is that if WP:CONSENSUS is that the TMZ source is valid at this point in time, then use it, AND that those who are using the possibly-considered very strong word "lie" are possibly wading into WP:BLP violations that we would not want to touch. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 15:19, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
- I do not like the way you worded that, but whether she lied isn't the important argument right now. Is this birthdate accurate is the debate point. I Help, When I Can. [12] 15:05, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
- Let's not highlight "lie" ... I have found in 30-some years that women in general are prone to underemphasize their age; women in the spotlight even moreso. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 14:31, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
D.O.B
SHE IS 26 NOT 28 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.211.180.85 (talk) 20:22, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
- ...and you have read the discussion immediately above this? (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 20:28, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
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can someone remove reference 1 it doesnt look reliable
98.17.48.130 (talk) 15:03, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
- Please read the discussion TWO sections above this related to this exact topic. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 15:48, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
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Please change the year of birth from 1982 to 1984 because she is only 26 years old and not 28.
217.28.4.65 (talk) 14:21, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
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NICKI MINAJ IS NOMINATED FOR BEST R&B/HIP-HOP ARTIST AT TEEN CHOICE AWARDS
<rehttp://mypinkfriday.com/news/38441f></ref><rhttp://mypinkfriday.com/news/38441ef name=undefined /> ADD IT !!!!! http://mypinkfriday.com/news/38441 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.112.233.158 (talk) 18:20, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
The only reason nicki minaj is on top is because she is awesome ...the best..... and no one can beat this barbie...not even the creaters of barbie inc. (the dolls) !!!!!!! so there u have it the baddest b%*#! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.249.213.146 (talk) 22:06, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
This article is misleading, it makes you believe that one parent is 100% Indian and the other Afro-Trinidadian
I have just read this article and am a bit shocked to see that it states that Nicki's parents are Indian and Afro-Tinidadian. When in fact her father is mixed Afro/Indian-Trinidadian? and her mother is Afro-Trinidadian. I do believe people should at least try and get their facts straight before stating such a thing. Because there are a lot of people who are going to believe after reading this article that Nicki is half Indian and half Afro-Trinidadian which she is not. She may have a trace of Indian in her but that is all. Anyway go and see her E Documentary on youtube to see what I mean. Her father and mother can only pass as black. And Nicki can only pass as black. She isn't mixed like Stacey Dash, when you look at Stacey its obvious she is a mix and you are definately thinking I wonder what the hell has gone into making that babe with her cute nose and light eyes. But Nicki just looks black! Anyway get your facts straight we have enough problems in the world with misleading information which just causes harm at the end of the day and, I mean what I say in a constructive way LOL! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.44.66.168 (talk) 11:22, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
- Wikipedia relies solely on what published reliable sources state (regardless of what a person can "pass" for). Nevertheless I added the adjective 'mixed' before the words describing her parents' ancestry to forestall any other possible confusion on the part of readers. I would also suggest you look at the Afro-Trinidadian and Tobagonian article for a more complete rendering of the ancestry of these Caribbean groups. You know, if you registered a named account and waited a few days, you'd be auto-confirmed and could edit this article too. Cheers, Shearonink (talk) 15:24, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
- Besides, doglas are hot :-) (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 23:40, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
Question
In the award section for the last 5 awards, it says 'NOMINATED' when it really should say 'PENDING' because they haven't announced the winners for the Teen Choice Awards or the MTV VMA's yet.
108.28.186.24 (talk) 20:24, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
- But "nominated" would remain, even when she loses. We change to "won" if actually won. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 12:01, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
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In the Personal life section there is info about the Twitter death hoax; the cited reference has no info on this. Also, the editor probably means "bolstered" when they wrote "holstered"
66.207.216.102 (talk) 11:08, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- Excellent catch - there was a minor error in the formatting for the reference to the hoax, causing it to not appear. The other one I changed "holstered" to "hoisted" - bolstered would refer to supporting it, hoisted meaning raising it. Thanks for catching those. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 12:00, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Get it together...
Nicki Minaj was born on December 8th, 1984 not 1982, she is 26. Her E! Special confirmed it and so did her mother on the E! Special... Those Dallas Reports are CLEARLY photoshopped by TMZ..... Don't believe the stuff the media such as mediatakeout or TMZ says -_-
68.55.52.196 (talk) 17:24, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
- Was the E! special filmed before or after?RaintheOne BAM 17:45, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
The E! Special was filmed before but those police documents could of been photoshopped, POLICE JUST DON'T HAND OVER ANY KIND OF REPORTS. There is NO way TMZ could of gotten their hands on a police report to that story that was FAKE, they will do anything for a story... but the E! Special confirmed her age as 26 born on Dec. 8th, 1984. 108.28.186.24 (talk) 18:32, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- Actually, police reports are a matter of public record, in many jurisdictions. Anyone with a desire to see them and willing to pay whatever fee is associated with copying the documents can usually obtain them. StrikerforceTalk Review me! 21:38, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
but you guys are off of unreliable resources! TMZ COULD HAVE EASILY PHOTOSHOPPED THAT! You never know but that E! Special is the truth because her mother confirmed it, etc!
108.28.186.24 (talk) 17:48, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
- Ok, then prove us wrong: find us a VALID RELIABLE SOURCE that shows in writing what you (and her, and her mom) orally say her birthdate is. Driver's licence, Birth Certificate ... once we have it in writing, we'll use it as a source instead. Some women (especially entertainers) lie about their age. Until then, this one's valid. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 17:56, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia people are being ridicules NICKI IS 26 TURNING 28 born IN 1984 I CANT BELIEVE HOW IGNORANT THEY ARE BEING IF 5 PEOPLE COMPLAIN THAT HER AGE IS WRONG WHY WOULDNT YOU BELIEVE THEM I KNEW NICKI BEFORE SHE BECAME VERY POPULAR....THIS IS JUST CRAZY AND DUMB SHE IS NO TURNING 29 THIS YEAR....Bugsyreal3 (talk) 17:56, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
Nicki Minaj death hoax
I don't know about you guys, but I think the issue has been given undue weight. It's quite trivial. How do you guys feel? I Help, When I Can.[12] 04:39, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
- The source itself is even questionable. This event made a big impact on neither her personal life nor her career. I Help, When I Can.[12] 04:41, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
- No reason for it to have ever been there, in the first place. I've removed it. StrikerforceTalk Review me! 04:42, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
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my edit request on Nicki Minaj is that I have known her before she became a big superstar. What I am trying to say is that I always Know that she is 11 years older than me. she was born in 1984 not 1982. She is not a year younger than Beyonce whom is turning 30 this year...Thank you...Nicki is turning 27 this year not 29 Bugsyreal3 (talk) 17:41, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
Bugsyreal3 (talk) 17:41, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
- Unfortunately Wikipedia requires a reliable source, which personal relationships do not qualify for. Also previous consensus on the page here is that the most reliable sources have 1982 as the year. Jnorton7558 (talk) 17:53, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
ARE YOU SERIOUS SHE SAID IN AN INTERVIEW THAT SHE WAS 26 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bugsyreal3 (talk • contribs) 17:58, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
- Which interview? Without being able to verify it, it's hard for other users to agree to the change. —C.Fred (talk) 18:00, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
It was her interview with Ellen in January 2011Bugsyreal3 (talk) 18:17, 18 August 2011 (UTC) But as I remember she didnt say her age I believe Ellen asked her, her age....which was 26 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bugsyreal3 (talk • contribs) 18:22, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
- In other words, no link to a reliable source to provide verifiability, and nothing but original research. Sorry. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 19:37, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
I can give you a link to the interview — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bugsyreal3 (talk • contribs) 21:42, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=gHhWeDA3l4UBugsyreal3 (talk) 21:48, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
- YouTube does not pass RS. StrikerforceTalk Review me! 22:52, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
- Besides, as per the entire 400 lines of similar argument above, what someone SAYS is their age is not always the truth. Paperwork VERIFIES the age. When someone gives their DOB to the police, a false statement would not go over well... (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 08:25, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
- The Ellen clip is on the YouTube channel TheEllenShow, apparently official. Ellen makes the comment that Nicki's 26. However, that doesn't give a date of birth, just a one-year range. The police report is not the best source for her age, but it's better than that one line in an interview (though I do trust the video clip to be a reliable representation of the show that aired). —C.Fred (talk) 01:03, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
- Why are we still debating this? The police report is a sworn document, under penalty of perjury, and a matter of public record, obtainable by anyone willing to make a request for it and pay any associated fees. I really don't care what anybody said on the Ellen show, an E! special, or an audience with The Pope... we have an age and D.O.B. on the police report. It is a reliable source. Game, set, and match. StrikerforceTalk Review me! 02:45, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
- We're still debating it because it's not an optimal source per WP:BLPPRIMARY: "Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person." It's chicken-and-egg, though, because the assertion we're trying to prove is her date of birth. How can you reliably source the date of birth without using a document that shows her date of birth? —C.Fred (talk) 02:51, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
- I'm not usually a fan of applying the principles of IAR to biographies of living persons, but as you pointed out, this is a "chicken and the egg" situation in which I really don't feel like we have any other choice. Without obtaining a copy of Nicki Minaj's birth certificate from a reliable source, the only thing that we have to go off of that comes anywhere close to being a reliable source... is the police report. Common sense seems to tell us that we should use that. Sigh... StrikerforceTalk Review me! 03:08, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
- We're still debating it because it's not an optimal source per WP:BLPPRIMARY: "Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person." It's chicken-and-egg, though, because the assertion we're trying to prove is her date of birth. How can you reliably source the date of birth without using a document that shows her date of birth? —C.Fred (talk) 02:51, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
- Why are we still debating this? The police report is a sworn document, under penalty of perjury, and a matter of public record, obtainable by anyone willing to make a request for it and pay any associated fees. I really don't care what anybody said on the Ellen show, an E! special, or an audience with The Pope... we have an age and D.O.B. on the police report. It is a reliable source. Game, set, and match. StrikerforceTalk Review me! 02:45, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
- The Ellen clip is on the YouTube channel TheEllenShow, apparently official. Ellen makes the comment that Nicki's 26. However, that doesn't give a date of birth, just a one-year range. The police report is not the best source for her age, but it's better than that one line in an interview (though I do trust the video clip to be a reliable representation of the show that aired). —C.Fred (talk) 01:03, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
- Besides, as per the entire 400 lines of similar argument above, what someone SAYS is their age is not always the truth. Paperwork VERIFIES the age. When someone gives their DOB to the police, a false statement would not go over well... (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 08:25, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
There is one other source in play. While looking at another item in the article, I checked the Vibe interview.[8] "Long before all this, Nicki was a little girl in Trinidad who missed her mom. Born in 1984, Onika Tanya Maraj spent her first five years in a clown-car of a house, full of cousins and friends and animals." So, Vibe doesn't support the date, but it supports 1984. Is it worth adding a footnote to the article that, even though, TMZ obtained a police report with a 1982 DOB, that she usually reports that she was born in 1984, since we now have that date/age range in print as well as on a TV interview? —C.Fred (talk) 15:39, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
error
In the 'Awards' category, It says that Nicki won "Best Rap Song" when the award is really entitled 'Best Hip-Hop Video'. 96.255.53.72 (talk) 20:59, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
- Which award? I don't see one identified as "Best Rap Song" in the table. —C.Fred (talk) 21:18, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
May be worth noting
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Nicki Minaj was featured on WWE ThemeAddict: The Music, Vol. 6 back in 2004 under the name Nicki Maraj for one track on the album. There is one reference listed in the article I linked. Since her music career "started" on a later date than what was listed, I thought this might be worth mentioning that she had been on a track for a Columbia Records album before that. Something along the lines of "Nicki Minaj was featured on WWE ThemeAddict: The Music, Vol. 6 under the name Nicki Maraj" should be added to the article. The song "Don't Mess With" on the album is credited to The Hood$tars (Lou$tar, Scaff Boogs, Nicki Maraj and SVN-Up). - 67.142.161.21 (talk) 07:46, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
- There's no actual reference in that article to verify that Nicki Maraj=Nicki Minaj. Without such a reference, we can't make the change here (and should delete it over there; I'll tag it in a minute). We need a reliable source to verify this claim. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:41, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
- It is sourced, however, that Onika Maraj=Nicki Minaj. I do not think it's a leap of original research that, for her first release, she used a nickname for her first name but her given last name. Obviously, a more concrete source would be better, but I wouldn't call it completely unsourced. —C.Fred (talk) 15:25, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
- I do concur with C.Fred ... this is not a stretch, and does not invoke WP:SYNTH (she may have even used one LOL) (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 15:36, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
- However, I looked through the Vibe article on her,[9] and I didn't see a mention of this song. —C.Fred (talk) 15:41, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
- If there is a reliable source of her being part of the group The Hood$tars (also try Hoodstars, maybe), then that should most definitely prove that it her. That is, if you could find one. 67.142.161.23 (talk) 20:36, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
- Apparently there is also a song out there called "Who Run This" by Angel De-Mar who is credited to have worked with "Nicki Maraj" when she was with The Hoodstars, in 2004. Angel De-Mar was also credited to have worked with her on her first mix-tape. The evidence is kind of pointing towards her music career starting much earlier than 2007 right about now contrary to what the article suggests. Also, I have just found this link, http://newnickiminaj.com/old-pictures-of-nicki-minaj-and-the-hoodstars-2007-2008-photos/ apparently they are old photos of Nicki Minaj with the Hoodstars, so I guess that kind of proves that she was with that group.. 67.142.161.23 (talk) 20:46, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
- However, I looked through the Vibe article on her,[9] and I didn't see a mention of this song. —C.Fred (talk) 15:41, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
- I do concur with C.Fred ... this is not a stretch, and does not invoke WP:SYNTH (she may have even used one LOL) (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 15:36, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
- It is sourced, however, that Onika Maraj=Nicki Minaj. I do not think it's a leap of original research that, for her first release, she used a nickname for her first name but her given last name. Obviously, a more concrete source would be better, but I wouldn't call it completely unsourced. —C.Fred (talk) 15:25, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Edit request from 98.193.217.233, 9 September 2011
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Nicki was born in the year 1984, not 1982.
98.193.217.233 (talk) 04:32, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. See also the discussions above, where consensus was established to show the 1982 date. —C.Fred (talk) 04:45, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
Notice
Her birthday is wrong, Nicki Minaj was born in 1984. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikiraminaj (talk • contribs) 18:36, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
- The preceding post was in the wrong place, so has been placed down here in a new section at the bottom of the page, but even so...
- PLEASE READ THE REST OF THE PAGE first BEFORE POSTING ANY MORE COMMENTS ABOUT Nicki Minaj's AGE. According to established editorial consensus, the verifiable and sourced birthyear is 1982. Thank you. Shearonink (talk) 19:20, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
You need to change her height!
On here in "Early Life," it says Nicki is 6'3". She is not 6'3", she is 5'4". THATS A BIG DIFFERENCE!! Just saying! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.109.21.60 (talk) 21:30, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Pink Friday:Roman Reloaded
nicki minaj released her set date and album name for run up to pink friday that is Pink Fiday:Roman Reloaded comes out valentines day 2012 2-14-12 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.38.150.74 (talk) 06:06, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
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Nicki Minaj was born December 8, 1984
98.179.0.170 (talk) 05:20, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
- Please see the other conversations on the page about her age. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 07:51, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
- Please also refer to the sourced information in the article itself, most especially Reference #1 and Note #1, both of which appear below:
- Reference #1: "Dallas Police Department Report" (PDF). TMZ.Com. Retrieved November 10, 2011.
- Note #1: Minaj's birthyear has been reported in various media outlets as being 1984. The most definitive source, however, is the official Dallas
- Police Report from July 2011 which states her birthdate is 12/08/1982.
- -Shearonink (talk) 16:59, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
- Please also refer to the sourced information in the article itself, most especially Reference #1 and Note #1, both of which appear below:
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Several sources show that Nicki Minaj was born December 8, 1984 not December 8, 1982. Biographies on google, about.com, aceshowbiz, etc. show she is only 26 not 28.
98.179.0.170 (talk) 05:31, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
- Please see the other conversations on the page about her age. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 07:51, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Age
what happened to her name, written in hindi?? In this interview from January she says that she's 26. Could someone source the fact that she's 28 before I change it?--Deely1 16:33, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
- The age that is presently in the article is already sourced. Stating your age is not a WP:RS - I'm sure you've read this entire talkpage to see that (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 16:34, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
- Nah I haven't read the talk page at all but I don't see how if she says her own age it isn't considered reliable when if someone else says her age it is.--Deely1 16:42, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
- Well, I say that I have a 10" penis ... does the fact that I say it in an interview and on youtube make it true? (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 16:55, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
- So does it make it true if I say that you do indeed have a 10" penis? By the way where's the source that says that she's 28?--Deely1 17:01, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
- That depends, are you a reliable source? LOL ... see the thread above called DOB, there's a link to the police report that has been determined to be reliable. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 17:03, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
- LOL, it seems that you've looked very well into the matter... Is that police report definitely reliable though?--Deely1 17:10, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
- As you saw from the discussion, I disagreed at first - however, if she had lied on her police report, there would have been serious repercussions ... TMZ seems to have been reliable related to this type of incident in the past - they have nothing to gain by having altered the document themselves, so consensus has been to accept it. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 17:14, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me :) --Deely1 17:16, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
- When the police take a report, they already have your photo ID in their hand - they don't just take your word for it as to your name, age, etc., they insist you show them your ID. Your Driver's license has your full name and date of birth listed. The police must have had Nicki's drivers license or other photo ID right there as they filled out the report... it's standard operating procedure. Therefore the police report is credible. As a side note: most celebrities shave a few years off their age - Eminem admits to doing this early in his career, and I know some celebrities who were a few years older than me when they started, now I'm a few years older than they are. LOL. 68.125.160.10 (talk) 00:47, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me :) --Deely1 17:16, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
- As you saw from the discussion, I disagreed at first - however, if she had lied on her police report, there would have been serious repercussions ... TMZ seems to have been reliable related to this type of incident in the past - they have nothing to gain by having altered the document themselves, so consensus has been to accept it. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 17:14, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
- LOL, it seems that you've looked very well into the matter... Is that police report definitely reliable though?--Deely1 17:10, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
- That depends, are you a reliable source? LOL ... see the thread above called DOB, there's a link to the police report that has been determined to be reliable. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 17:03, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
- So does it make it true if I say that you do indeed have a 10" penis? By the way where's the source that says that she's 28?--Deely1 17:01, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
- Well, I say that I have a 10" penis ... does the fact that I say it in an interview and on youtube make it true? (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 16:55, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
- Nah I haven't read the talk page at all but I don't see how if she says her own age it isn't considered reliable when if someone else says her age it is.--Deely1 16:42, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
I was just about to say the same thing as a bunch of others. And as a True Barb and part of Team Minaj, I find that it is very disrespectful to have her information (namely her birth date) wrong. Please ameliorate this page by correcting this information immediately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sexymamasita 314 (talk • contribs) 21:46, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
- Disrespectful? There's a source for the date that's in the article. Find a proper WP:RS and we'll be very happy to change it (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 22:04, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
buzz single edit
This would be a helpful link for the term buzz single: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promotional_recording#Buzz_single Mgrinnell (talk) 04:51, 1 December 2011 (UTC) Minaj was born on December 8,1984. She has said her birth date several times. On her biography show on E! Nicki Minaj said she was born on 1984.