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Incorect Picture Description

There is a picture described as "A level 5 Bulbasaur involved in a battle with a level 5 Charmander in Pokémon Red." However, if you look carefully at the picture you will notice that there are too many colors invovled for it to be from pokemon red. It looks more like its from Pokemon Yellow.

Nope, it's being played on the Super GameBoy. PsychicKid1 18:34, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

GA passed

I have passed this article for Good Article status. Congratulations! If you want this article to reach Featured Article status, I reccomend adding more inline citations and references for now. Funpika 01:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

What is this picture doing here?

It appears that someone has uploaded a picture of the starters, which seems fanmade, and has no rational or copyright information, and has placed it in the article. Should we IfD it? Or what? Jerichi~Profile~Talk~ 13:58, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what justification would be used to delete it, but I agree that it doesn't belong - it's a fan-made picture made using hte sprites, and it really serves no purpose. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 19:15, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I removed it from the article, so if nothing else OrphanBot will get it eventually. If anyone wants to get rid of it faster, that'd be fine too. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 20:59, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Pokemon Online

Hey everybody, I found this site that has a Pokemon MMORPG and it sounds friggin' gay. You need to download the client like every other MMORPG. I dont know if its real or a virus so im not downloading it yet. Do you think you guys could look into it? The websites address is http://www.pokemonol.net/. I would really like to try it but my computer antivirus stinks lol. If it is real and not a virus we can add it to the Miscellaneous section.

p.s. This is my first post, so I hope I didnt break any rules.Tythesly 22:34, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

That depends on what you mean by legit. POL is pretty reputable, so you probably won’t get a virus from them. I even played the old Alpha, back in the day.( The same cannot be said of their advertisers, necessarily, so don’t just go clicking everything and think it will be OK).

Unfortunately, yes, you did break a rule, but it’s OK, now you know in the future. See, these talk pages are for talking about the articles, not the subjects. In other words, this page is NOT for discussing Pokémon, it is for discussing the Wikipedia article about Pokémon. If you want to talk/ask about Pokémon, you should go to a forum somewhere. --WikidSmaht (talk) 23:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Umm, I think he/she was thinking of adding this in the article, maybe? :p Look at the end of the post. Just wanted to clarify. 213.42.2.11

There isn't a miscellaneous section. But if he/she was thinking about making a miscellaneous section and putting that in there, it might be okay...but then again it might not be relevant enough to use at all. So basically the poster was not breaking a rule. Funpika 13:23, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Talk archived.

I am happy to say that I successfully created Archive 2! Approximately 55 discussions were archived this time. Pokémon/Archive_2 has been set to redirect to the Pokémon article the same way it was from Archive 1. An archive box is on this page, Archive 1, and Archive 2 now. It is possible to navigate the Archives using it.

4 discussions other than this one were NOT archived due to how recent their discussion is. These discussions will be archived in Archive 3. Funpika 00:48, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Citations

It is about time we seriously try to get this featured. But we haven't met the criteria yet. The main problem is citations. Once we get those I will get this article Peer Reviewed and depending on the results, this article's rating may elevate to A class and a nomination for Featured Article will be placed. I am hoping that this article reaches Featured by the end of Q1 2007 (end of next month). I will be working hard trying to get citations today. If I get enough I will get this peer reviewed later today or tomorrow. Funpika 14:53, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I think it's a little absurd to try to get this featured before the games are even released in the US - once they are, they'll serve as primary-source references for much of the stuff here anyway, not to mention that with new info coming in at an increasing rate up to the release, there's a good chance the article won't really meet the "stable" criterion until the games have been out for a few weeks. There's no hurry - it's probably best to wait on FA, and just keep the article decent until then. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 21:40, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

You are referring to Pokemon Diamond and Pearl? I would 100% agree if this article was solely for Pokemon Diamond and Pearl, but it is NOT. This article is for Pokemon in general. Do we really have to wait because of 1 small section of the article? Frankly I think you thought this article was only for those games, considering you didn't say WHICH games even if it is painfully obvious. You only said "The Games". Funpika 22:36, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

• slaps self in head* Sorry about that, I was fully under the impression that I was on the D/P talk page...stupid me. :(

This page, yes, by all means, we need to get as many citations as possible and get it featured. I'll look for some too. FA status for this article is long overdue. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 23:27, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Apology accepted. :) Maybe you thought this was the D/P talk because now this talk and the D/P talk are about the same size since this talk page got archived yesterday. Funpika 01:40, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

characters last names

this may not seem important but what are the characters last names?

• ash ketchum
• misty williams
• brock harrison
• gary oak
• tracy sketchit
• may maple (or birch)
• max maple (or birch)
• jessie Yurimaki
• james morgan
• hikari
• drew

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.162.56.63 (talk)

As far as I recall, only Ash Ketchum, Delia Ketchum, Gary Oak, Samuel Oak, and Tracey Sketchit are the only important characters on the show who have officially been given last names. Anything else you've heard of is probably speculation or made up by fans. --Brandon Dilbeck 02:26, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Erm, May and Max's dad is not Professor Birch. It's Norman. Wherever you got those names is probably telling you fake info. (Crystalespeon 18:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC))

Good Website

Should I Add This WQebsite? I mean it had info of pokemon Diamond And Pearl Even Before The Japaneese Started Working On it. Pokemon Elite 2000 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pendo 4 (talk • contribs) 13:06, March 4, 2007 (UTC)

How could it have info on the games if they weren't even started? --Brandon Dilbeck 21:43, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Wow, that's just...I'm not sure what to say to that. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 04:42, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

PE2K is just a fansite (albeit a pretty good one), and frankly there's nothing there (besides its sprite galleries, which we don't use) that isn't done better at another site such as Serebii or Psypokes. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 04:41, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

This Website Has Been On Since 2001. This website had info found way before Pokemon.com will get it. It may be like Serebii but it has a more simple layout. Oh and the Pokemon Diamond Pearl Info on the website was when the Japaneese announced the game. I still think it should be on.Pendo 4 21:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

The article already has five good, official links. Wikipedia isn't a repository of links; if we added a link to one fansite, then by precedent, we'd have to allow links to all of them to be added and then there'd be dozens if not hundreds of links, which would be really unprofessional. --Brandon Dilbeck 22:13, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

While the fansites usually do post information before the official pokemon.com site does, it's absolutely ludicrous to imply that any fansite recieves the information first, considering pokemon.com is run by Pokémon USA. Not to mention that, from observing several sites over the past month or so, serebii.net posts information a few days before pe2k.com on average, and updates more often, so even if we were going to put a fansite in the external links section, it would probably be Serebii, not PE2K. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 00:09, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

About the new additions

I really like the new stucture of the article - it flows a lot better than it did before. However, because it's largely rewritten, there's a good amount of copyediting to be done. :) I did some editing on a few sections tonight, and I'm planning on looking the rest over as well, but it's definitely a good idea for everyone possible to look it over - the more eyes, the more errors get caught, and if we nominate this for FA soon, we don't want to be tripped up because of grammar, style, or consistency errors. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 04:34, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree very much. Shindo9Hikaru

Starter Pokémon

I know how influential a player's choice of Starter Pokémon can affect the game, but I am having trouble seeing the significance of including a section about them in this article. --Brandon Dilbeck 22:16, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not actually sure if we need an overview of the game mechanics at all: isn't that what Pokémon (video games) is for? If we do decide to leave it in, it would be better to have a mechanic that's prominent in all the media (including the TCG and manga), like Pokémon battles. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 00:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Pokémon name origins

I remeber a while back there was a page with the name origins for all the Pokémon, and now it's gone. Why was it deleted? Can someone bring it back, because I thought it was very useful. --User:marioguy 10:35 CST

I don't remember a page like that, but I've only been hanging around here for about a year. I have to disagree about the article sounding useful—it sounds interesting, but not encyclopedic (and probably chock full of original research). If it's any consolation, nearly all of the articles about each Pokémon species has that information in the introduction. --Brandon Dilbeck 18:01, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I imagine that if it ever did exist, it was removed because of OR concerns. Frankly, any and all speculation on the origins of individual Pokémon names is technically OR, because Game freak and Nintendo never say anything about it, even though a good number of the names are almost painfully obvious. It's been generally accepted that name origins, OR though they may be, can stay on each page, but I can imagine that a full article of them would grind on a few editors' nerves. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 00:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I remember seeing a page like that at one point, but it was lacking sources, so I agree; it was likely to be original research. Pokedork7876 12:13, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

English contraction

You can also get Pokemon out of Pocket Monster Atomic1fire 04:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Sure you can, but that's largely coincidence, which is why I removed the bold from the English part a few days ago. The contraction actually comes from the Japanese: Poketto Monsutā. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 05:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm confused; isn't "Poketto Monsutā" just the Japanese way of writing something that must be pronounced "Pocket Monsters"? [1] If so, it's no coincidence that it can come from either name. --The Raven's Apprentice^{(Profile|PokéNav|Trainer Card)} 03:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Close, but not quite. "ポケットモンスター", Romanized to "Poketto Monsutā", isn't just the way "Pocket Monsters" is spelled in Japanese, it's also how it's spoken. In other words, the pronunciation is inflexible (it's always pronounced "ポケットモンスター"), but it can be written in three different ways: katakana, direct Romanization of the katakana, or the Trademarked Romanization. The contraction was originally used in speech, so "ポケットモンスター" became "ポケモン". The fact that the rules of English happen to place the right letters in the right place for the contraction to be derivable from the trademarked Romanization as well is a coincidence: "pawket", "pockit", and "pocket" would, theoretically, be pronounced the same, but only the spelling of the actual English word, and not other versions of how the word might have evolved, actually contains the same four letters as "Poke". Likewise, "pocket" could have, when Western loanwords were being absorbed into the Japanese language, been spelled/pronounced "パケット" ("paketto"), which is arguably as close to the English word "pocket" as "poketto" is. In this case as well, the official Romanization and the katakana would not match up. It's just a matter of coincidence (albeit not a very far-fetched one) that the English and the Romanized Japanese happened to line up.

Regardless, the "Pocket Monsters" derivation doesn't belong in the article. Sorry for being so long winded, I just wanted to make sure anyone who was wondering the same thing could understand it. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 08:34, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

While we're on the subject, there's quite a few ways to type the é character. If you're using a Windows computer, you can hold Alt and then type 130 or 0233 on the number pad. On a Mac, you can press Option and e, then press e again (once for the acute accent, then once again for the e under it). Or you can type é into the source code—it'll turn it into a é when the page is rendered. Or you can copy and paste the character from one word to another. You can also copy the character from Character Map, if your computer has that. I'm sure there are other ways as well. --Brandon Dilbeck 03:22, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Or you can just use the little "é" in the "Insert" box at the bottom of every edit field. ;) It's also a great way to put in the various extended vowels (ā, ē, etc.) that are often found in the Japanese names. Now if only it had katakana... ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 08:37, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

New Pokemon game announced

Coro Coro has announced a new pokemon game! Look at this link! http://pokemonelite2000.com]

Should I put it on?Pendo 4 20:58, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

We should wait until there's actually something to be said about it. Hold tight until the magazine is available. --Brandon Dilbeck 22:08, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

On a possibly related note, Serebii has now reported that another Mystery Dungeon game is in the works, but he's not sure yet if that's the game that will be mentioned in CoroCoro. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 08:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I thought Serebii failed source notability guidelines. Either way, it still seems like speculation. bibliomaniac15 05:00, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey look at This!!! Pokemon Dungeon Sequel! I found them on these websites: Oh and I am Pendo 4 not some other person who found these websites. [2]

and [3]

It is still unknown if these are the games Coro Coro are talking. Most likely not since it is not really possible for it to be announced before Coro Coro and that the Websites are not from Coro Coro.Pendo 4 20:07, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Gold And Silver Error

The second generation of Pokémon began in 2000 with the release of Pokémon Gold and Silver for Game Boy Color. Like the previous generation, an enhanced remake titled Pokémon Crystal was later released. It introduced 100 new species of Pokémon (starting with Chikorita and ending with Celebi), for a total of 251 Pokémon to collect, train, and battle.

I believe the lines "Like the previous generation, an enhanced remake titled...Pokemon Crystal...was later released. It introduced 100 new spieces of Pokemon..., for a total of 251 Pokemon to collect, train, and battle." are out of order. This statement might lead some to believe that Pokemon Crystal itself introduced 100 new species of Pokemon, not its previous incarnations of Gold and SilverEugeneBaker 18:39, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Is The Diamond/ Pearl Picture Valid?

There is no copyright information or anything admitting to being fan-made.Gatogirl 16:22, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

You mean this one? Curious. There's no source information in the image's page. Something is seriously screwy with the shadows of the attack names on the bottom, and the picture itself is really lossy. --Brandon Dilbeck 23:57, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

There's a similar image on pokemon-games.com (Screenshots section). The picture there is slanted, though. —M_C_Y_1008 (^talk/_contribs) 00:17, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Looks like it was taken with an emulator. The colour reproduction isn't too good. 220.238.241.15 16:42, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Pokemon parodied on Ant & Dec

pokemon was once parodied on one of Ant & Decs shows where Dec was dressed up at Misty, Ant as Brock, and they'd apparantly been having a relationship and Misty was mad at Brock for cheating on her with Jesse from team rocket, and they proceeded to have a battle and one of Ant/Brocks weapons was Bryan from Westlife and he brought on Westlife and they proceeded to sing Flying Without Wings while Dec/Misty went phsyco screaming Bryans name, embaressing Bryan and then she ripped her shirt open revealing a picture of Bryan then he/she faints. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wstlif (talk • contribs) 16:51, 11 April 2007 (UTC).

Yeah, that was hilarious, it should be labeled under the "influence on media" part or whatever it is. Ashnard _talk 15:19, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Why should we list EVERY parody that's been made? I don't get it, there's too many. Crowstar 22:45, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Organized play

A few pokemon related articles mention competitive play. Apparently there are a list of rules too. Can someone expand on this? I've never heard of pokemon tournments other than the TCG. Where are they, what are the rules, and how do you register to play? H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 22:25, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I tend to think they're talking about Netbattle. – mcy1008 (talk) 22:53, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Why does everyone pronounce Pokémon Pokimon? It has the accent on the é, (e as in eggs) therefore, it should be pronounced as Pokémon. (This was just a suggestion, so please do not think that this is an important change to make.) Thank you. Orthodoxy 23:10, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Ignorance, I suppose. A lot of people probably don't know how é should be pronounced, and there were lots of times in the news for instance that I saw it spelled without the accent. Besides the IPA notation at the beginning of the article, it doesn't really seem prevalent enough to write much about in the article. --Brandon Dilbeck 19:47, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Is it really supposed to be pronounced like in the IPA transcript in the introduction, a.k.a. POKEYMAN, or in the less stupid sounding way: [po'kemon], as if it were romaji? --nlitement ^[talk] 16:06, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

It can be pronounced either way. Like digimon; it can be di-gi-mon, or di-gee-mon. It just depends on what rolls of the toungue.Brandonrc2 20:52, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Why?

Why is this article longer than the "Lutheranism" article, for example?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.93.165.136 (talk • contribs) (UTC)

Because there are a lot of knowledgeable members that contributed to this article. Why is any article longer than another? No reason really. It's not a show of importance or anything. Guess Lutherans might not be Wiki-smart though. (And I can joke, because I'm Lutheran myself) BlackxxJapan 07:40, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Somebody watches Stephen Colbert a bit too much, methinks. DoomsDay349 01:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Dude, because there's more to say. I'm fairly new, but I've already heard lots of odd complaints. But this one takes the cake. Crowstar 22:43, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Standardized Sections?

While browsing through various Pokémon's sites, I noticed a large discrepancy between section headers; for example, sometimes they're named "Appearance/Biology" or sometimes "Biological Characteristics". Take a look at Shuppet and it's evolution Banette. Some differences I can find just by skimming:

• Either Shuppet is overly-sourced or Banette is under-sourced
• Banette's biology section is much longer than Shuppet's
• Shuppet's "role in games" section is described in much greater detail than Banette's
• Banette has a main section "Role" with subsections "...in the Video games", "... in the anime", etc, where Shuppet's are all different main sections
• Banette has separate sections for anime and the TCG but Shuppet has a single section for "other media"

I guess what I'm trying to do is lobby for well-defined sections and subsections that are consistent for all Pokémon. Who's with me? Schmloof 07:00, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

67.182.178.220 01:23, 5 May 2007 (UTC)May 04,2007

I'm sorry to say I'm not. I mean, I'm into Pokemon games, but as for biology? Maybe I just don't know what I'm talking about. Sincerely, me

Newgrounds?

What's with all those random reference tags about newgrounds scattered around the article? Might want to clean those up if possible. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.214.196.25 (talk • contribs).

I think you should eliminate them because newgrounds have nothing to do with pokemon. (newgrounds is a game site that usually as films to make fun of pokemon)

Newgrounds isn't a game site; it's a Flash site. -Jéské ^{(Blah v^_^v)} 06:01, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Update TCG picture?

The picture of Dragonite in the TCG is very outdated. Should we update it? Schmloof 01:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

User:Obsessive writer

This is the user that added all those Newgrounds links to the article. Action should be taken, but I don't know what. Cipher ^{(Talk to the hand)} 17:43, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Eevee?

Should someone add Eevee to the list of Starter Pokémon. In Pokémon Yellow, Professor Oak originally intends that you receive Eevee, but Gary snatches the Pokéball

67.182.178.220 01:15, 5 May 2007 (UTC)May 04,2007

You're right; someone should. Not only was he Gary's Pokemon in Yellow version, but you also get an Eevee as a starter in Pokemon XD. Sincerely,67.182.178.220 21:56, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Pokémon (species)

I am surprised that, despite having tons of Pokemon-related articles, we have no article on Pokemon as a fictional species. The current article talks about Pokemon as a media franchise. Perhaps we can have Pokémon (species) or Pokémon (fictional species)? TheCoffee 02:02, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I, agree!!!

That would be because there is no one species of Pokemon. There's 493.--SeizureDog 22:01, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Pokemon Movelist

There ought to be a subdivision within the Pokemon information area that lists every move that a Pokemon can learn, and explains its effects, power, accuracy, and types. We already have a list of Pokemon--why not their attacks? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Geracht (talk • contribs) 02:03, 30 April 2007 (UTC).

A guide on Pokémon attacks would cause the articles to become too much like game guides, which the vast majority of us do not want. Please read Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_an_indiscriminate_collection_of_information. Thank you. Ultraflame 22:31, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I think Bulbapedia has that kind of content, though, so you can look there if you want. --Brandon Dilbeck 14:12, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Is This...

http://pics.fort90.com/journal/pokemans.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g251/uglyfink/iminurpokemansnotshowing.jpg

Is that the reason "Pokemans" redirects here?

Ekansonic55 23:32, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that it is at least because some people might mistake the word "Pokémon" as "Pokeman", and even think that the plural is "Pokemans" (instead of what I think would be "Pokemen"). --Brandon Dilbeck 14:14, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

The plural of Pokémon (the word and the names of all of them) remains unchanged from the original word (i. e. 493 Pokémom, 5 Pikachu, etc.).

TfD nomination of Pokémon header templates

The templates used as headers in Pokémon articles have been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sceptre (talk • contribs) 18:15, 9 May 2007 (UTC).

Horsea

I know this should be put under the Horsea article, but then no one would see this. It says in the article that, "In contrast to actual seahorse reproduction, the female lay the eggs, not the male". Well, male seahorses don't lay eggs, they give birth. The female lays the eggs in the male! Besides, in Pokémon, the female always lays the egg! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.224.11.160 (talk) 17:16, 13 May 2007 (UTC).

But do all pokemon have eggs, even if they look like a mamel? for instence, what about pilowswine? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.223.130.180 (talk • contribs)

Church in Pokemon DP

Can someone add to the religion post that there is a church in the most recent version of the pokemon game series, along with, I believe, an NPC that speaks about tolerance of other beliefs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.200.179.203 (talk)

Dude! New discussions go at the bottom of the talk page. And please sign your posts. About your question, is there anything inherently notable about this building (I don't recall the game ever calling it a church or in any other way noting anything religious about it) or the comment about the person? If there's nothing to say about it, then why mention it? --Brandon Dilbeck 19:05, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

it's true, it is never mentioned as a church, per se. It does have traditional church elements, such as stained glass windows and is completely quiet compared to the noisy town. A man inside also mentiones There do I see my father, my son, my life. And there do I see Pokémon, nature, the world. That is pretty much a church statement. But as far as fact, there is no mention of church, and no mention of a religion. Therefore it should not be included. But I can see where the guy got the idea. Kevin 20 5 23 26 19:55, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

It's not OFFICIALLY a church, and as far as I know it serves no function in the game. However, I think the Hearthome City map says something like "There is a building here where many people gather." or something like that. Crowstar 00:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Non-Neutral Comment

I found this comment among the info on religeous critisism;

"The Pokémon Trading Card Game has been criticized by members of the Jewish community for its use of the swastika, though Nintendo says that this is a matter of cultural misunderstanding, as the swastika and a similar symbol, the manji, have been used in East Asian cultures as a symbol for good fortune by the Hindu religion for thousands of years. The manji was shown only on a Japanese version card and was excluded from the North American release. However, these Jewish groups attacked the Japanese version distributed in the U.S. by unauthorized import. As a result of this controversy Nintendo stopped using this symbol even in the Japanese version. Just show how stupid people are."

Although I totally agree with this comment, Wikipedia is a place for FACTS, not opinions (as stated HERE). Because I'm not a registered user and the topic is locked, I just thought I'd mention this so someone with proper permissions can edit it.

Thanks, and you're welcome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.66.133.45 (talk)

That was vandalism. I reverted it. Funpika 10:10, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

"Generations" vs. "Generations of Pokemon Video Games"

I noticed that the section titled "Generations" contains several Pokemon video games and contains muhc content on the video games, therefore I suggest it should be titled: "Generations of Pokemon Video Games". Kevin 20 5 23 26

An invisible comment in that section says, "Please don't delete/rename this header as it is linked to from a number of places." I'm making a header titled "Video games" and putting both it and game mechanics under it. --The Raven's Apprentice^{(Profile|PokéNav|Trainer Card)} 06:21, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks ^_^ Kevin 20 5 23 26 02:54, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Effort Values and IVs

Just wondering, but since Effort Values (EVs) and IVs play a very large role in the stats of any given Pokemon, should they be mentioned in the article? Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.248.153.228 (talk • contribs)

Adding information like that would make the article seem like a game guide, which the high-ranking Wikipedia editors do not want. Ultraflame 00:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

What's this thing about "high-ranks"?! Wikipedia ésto Communismo! The general consensus is not to include this stuff in articles, per What Wikipedia is not. And it smacks of cruft as well, seeing as these game mechanics have never been confirmed by Nintendo. Cheers, The Raven's Apprentice ^{(PokéNav|Trainer Card)} 02:38, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Posterchild

Im truely sorry for being mean,but I realy was trying to be funny,you see i have A weird sense of hummor. also I don't have many people to talk to about pokemon and I can't stand it when people support villens- espeliy chipher. I secerly apologize for the trouble I caused,And I geuss I over reacted,so for the good of everybody This will be the last e-mail from the pokemon poster child. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.210.159.34 (talk)

...villians like Cipher? >>—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 22:02, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

okay,sorry for the misunderstanding. Chipher is the crime sqaud in the pokemon games Xd gale of darkness and coloseum. by the way, so what does it meen when you use it?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.210.159.34 (talk)

There's a user named Cipher. I thought you meant him.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 23:30, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

What the heck's going on here? And what does any of it have to do with the notability of IV/EVs? --The Raven's Apprentice ^{(PokéNav|Trainer Card)} 02:46, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

...Oh. I guess all that whitespace our IP added was...in an attempt to start a new section.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 03:17, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, but that doesn't go very far in explaining what's going on here in the first place. --The Raven's Apprentice ^{(PokéNav|Trainer Card)} 15:21, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree, I seriously am confused. Someone explain on my talk page. ~Crowstar~ 15:38, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I think I get it. Raven's Apprentice, check his her recent posts on talkpages. ~Crowstar~ 15:40, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh. For the uninitiated: The guy girl was spamming Pokémon Talk Pages with why he she thought certain peoples's usernames sucked. Cheers, The Raven's Apprentice ^{(PokéNav|Trainer Card)} 16:27, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

lisen,I said I was sorry okay, so lets just be freinds and move on. and Im not A guy Im A girl. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.210.159.34 (talk) Please sign your posts!

Sorry, I didn't mean to insult you, I was just adding a bit of info for the people who came by and wondered, "Hey, what's going on here?" Cheers, The Raven's Apprentice ^{(PokéNav|Trainer Card)} 02:56, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

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"Simon Ray"? --66.214.92.60 10:29, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Funny, eh? That was weird vandalism. Anyways, it's been moved back now. *Dies laughing* --The Raven's Apprentice ^{(PokéNav|Trainer Card)} 04:37, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Changing Pokemon to Pokémon

I want to add the accent mark, to all "pokemon" references. Is there any circumstance in which this is not official or a good thing? I also wanted to know if there was a way to automatically change "pokemon" to pokémon when users enter information. I want only "pokemon", not other words that also have e in them.

Latyrs, Usokki (talk · contribs)

Always sign your comments on Wikipedia with four tildes, like this: ~~~~. And the only place where "pokemon" should be used is when the site you're linking to in the ref says "Pokemon", not "Pokémon". No, I don't know of any way to automatically change e to é, but you can type é without using the Insert box: just use Alt+130 on the num pad. --The Raven's Apprentice ^{(PokéNav|Trainer Card)} 03:03, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! somebody ruined the main artical! I can't even look up A pokemon any more and this is where I always come to do that! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.210.159.34 (talk)

Calm down, dude. That was just vandalism, and was reverted just when you edited this page a second time. This is stupid though, it took all of 16 minutes to revert that, Semiprotection is becoming a pain. --The Raven's Apprentice ^{(PokéNav|Trainer Card)} 03:03, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I just got a message from Graham1991, and it turns out that he wasn't the vandal, it was KidsClub1. I sent Graham a note back. He said that someone fixed it, but his computer messed up so that's how it got to that vandalized revision. I believe him. I really messed up myself and I'm not going to point fingers at anyone ever again. I'll just fix the damages. I shouldn't have played the blame game at all. I feel bad for doing so. I shouldn't have jumped to conclusions. Sorry, Graham. --WPA 20:42, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Not going to start bashing the real vandal.

Some early information

Maybe you already know, but there is an interesting article here, dated 1998, where Kaplan talks about the risk of bringing the franchise to US. -- ReyBrujo 21:26, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Cheats

i have a question. could you post cheats for the games —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SilverQuarters (talk • contribs).

Sorry, but Wikipedia is not a gaming guide. You can find them in IGN or GameFAQs for sure. -- ReyBrujo 03:12, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

picture captions

the picture captions just state the obviouus. shouldn't they describe it improvements on the battle screen like colors and the experience bar in crystal? Zombieminion 12:38, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

New comments to the bottom. And no, if the reader can't see the difference in the graphics without a picture caption, they're gonna need a Braille encyclopedia anyways. --The Raven's Apprentice ^{(PokéNav|Trainer Card)} 14:46, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Criticism

Religion and Islam

I noticed that there is mention of Christian and Jewish criticisms of the Pokemon, but nothing on Islam.

In 2001, Pokemon was banned from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia via an Islamic edict issued by the Kingdom's highest religious authority ,the Higher Committee for Scientific Research and Islamic Law.

See here: http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast/03/26/saudi.pokemon/

One may suggest that this is not Islam as a whole and just Saudi Arabia, but is this any different than citing in the Pokemon article: "Some Christian groups in the United States". I don't think it is, and thus would like to suggest inclusion of the Islamic ruling in the Criticism/Religious section as well.

Sparty79 04:59, 22 July 2007 (UTC)Sparty79

Fine, I'll add it. --The Raven's Apprentice ^{(PokéNav|Trainer Card)} 14:31, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok. But the statement: "In 2001, Saudi Arabia banned Pokémon games and cards, alleging that the franchise promoted Zionism.[17]"

it really doesn't address the religious issue, but rather a political one, and it doesn't mention Islam at all. If it is in a religious section, then shouldn't it? Sparty79 23:08, 22 July 2007 (UTC)Sparty79

Well, in the case of the Middle East, they're usually synonymous. --The Raven's Apprentice ^{(PokéNav|Trainer Card)} 16:20, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Removal?

I happened to notice that the Christian criticisms of Pokemon have been removed. I have restored them because I believe that Christian ministries should be reliable sources. Also, regarding the Jynx controversy: Yes, a prominent African-American writer published an article in The Black World Today; the site referencing that actually copied the full article ad verbatim and analyzed it. Therefore, I believe that those "controversies" are verifiable. --Andrewlp1991 23:22, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Followup: Exactly what makes the sources be unreliable? --Andrewlp1991 03:10, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

The controversy is not verifiable unless the controversy itself receives coverage in the media. The decrees of random people in the Church that they make on their own websites are self-published and are not reliable. A random accusation of racism that pops up in an op-ed somewhere does not constitute evidence of a real controversy. There needs to be secondary media coverage of the alleged controversy. --Cheeser1 11:10, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't quite understand how you an un-notable ministry and what are pretty much blogs are reliable sources Andrewlp1991, please explain this. SpigotMap 11:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Well there's got to be a reason why the Jynx design got changed; it was because of Weatherford's view. Plus, the Christian criticisms are pretty much everywhere on the Web. Go search (without quotes) "pokemon christian" on Google and you'll see. --Andrewlp1991 15:09, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I see, so the controversies are notable only if they make the news? --Andrewlp1991 15:09, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

They're only notable through reliable sources. Self-published sources are not appropriate, and in this case, a primary source is not appropriate either. I can stir up a fuss all I want on my own time - that doesn't mean it's worth mentioning here. It has to have received outside attention elsewhere to be encyclopedic in any way. --Cheeser1 15:50, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your information. I apologize sincerely if my edits were viewed as disruptive or POV-pushing. In the meantime, regarding sources from the "Kjos ministry", I found an old CNN article with one of its leaders commenting on it. [4] Anyone care to include it? --Andrewlp1991 22:14, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Animal Cruelty

I just had an edit reverted, after I added an article from Epinions that supported past claims on Wikipedia that pokemon promotes animal cruelty. Well I found some more sources for claims that Pokemon is criticized for animal cruelty - Review for "Pokemon Heroes" by Cherryl Dawson and Leigh Ann Palone, Las Vegas Weekly review of "Pokemon Pearl" by Matthew Scott Hunter, Fan site #1, Fan site #2, Fan site #3. Note that Dawson and Palone's review was ranked on Rotten Tomatoes. [5] In fact, search google keyword: pokemon animal cruelty, then go to at least the 3rd page, then you'll see accusations that support that pokemon promotes animal cruelty. Giving these sources, I request that the "animal cruelty" section be restored to "Criticism and Controversy". Thank you.--Andrewlp1991 22:41, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

That LVWeekly article is satire, and the other one is not terribly reliable. We need an objective reliable source that documents a serious and legitimate animal-cruelty complaint against Pokémon. A secondary source, not just some random person whose opinion winds up on the web. --Cheeser1 11:09, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Quality

I fixed some awkward wording in the quality section and made it more descriptive using wording from the sources when the article talked about "inferiorities." Grayoracle (talk) 00:24, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Use of PokeBeach.com Info/Pics

I am the owner of PokeBeach.com, and over the past few months, I have been noticing more and more of my images on Wikipedia, without any proper sourcing or credit, and to my astonishment, without my permission. A few weeks ago, I even read someone's talk page, where they had posted several of my images and that they had received credit from me to do so, which was not the case, and which, of course, greatly angered me.

In particular, I am referring to my scans on several of the Pokemon pages, and the Ken Sugimori images I spent several weeks editing for transparency. When I posted the Ken Sugimori images on my website a while ago, I explicitly stated that they were not to be used by anyone without permission, since they had taken weeks to edit, only to see a few days later that many of them had already been ripped from my site and made the main images for the Pokemon articles (replacing my older Sugimori images that I edited, which also did not receive my permission to use). I don't appreciate it when I go to other Pokemon sites and read "If you want the D/P Ken Sugimori images, go to Wikipedia." The work I spent weeks on has become your content, and you are the ones receiving credit for it, not me. I see that you post a link to my site under the image, but you just say they are from "here," not "PokeBeach.com," which really is not fair. You guys credit every other Pokemon site for every little thing with full-blown URLs and names, yet ironically, when it comes to my site, I always seem to get the push.

The scans are what anger me the most. The scans were scanned in and edited by the person who owns those cards for my site, and are the main feature of my site. No one is allowed to use them anywhere - this has been made clear on my site for years. Someone took many scans off my site without permission, yet did not even have the courtesy to provide a link on the image page. Worst, they even put the full-blown scans up - what's the point in visiting my site if they are all here on Wikipedia?

On the TCG set page and other TCG pages, I am finding copy and pasting of my news stories on new sets, old sets, information, etc. Why does every other page on Wikipedia have those little links next to info, which jumps down to the bottom of the page, but when it comes to my site, this is not the case? I also don't like how everytime I post a story on a new set, Wikipedia has c/p the same info within days of me posting it, with no credit.

I am willing to make compromises, such as making the images smaller and posting actual links where a person can find the information/pictures, but otherwise, I do not appreciate how I was never approached, asked, or told about the content taken from my site, as well as how the stuff from my site on here is never given proper credit like other sites. I wouldn't be as mad if other sites were not credited, but honestly, I think many people do not credit my site because it's not "as big" as other ones, and they feel it is okay to do so because no one will find out. This may be harsh, and I do not like to be harsh, but just because you are Wikipedia does not mean you can take whatever you want from other sites who are trying to serve content to the same people without permission and as you see fit. It's considered stealing to many, and it morally is not the right thing to do.

Water Pokemon Master 22:07, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

See Fair use. I think your images fit. As it is, you don't own the copyrights to the image, they're owned by Pokémon USA. If you're still not satisfied, I recommend you bring it up at WT:POKE. --The Raven's Apprentice ^{(PokéNav|Trainer Card)} 15:15, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I am well aware of what "Fair Use" is, having talked to PUSA about my scans in person. However, that still does not mean you can take someone else's work in preparing the images, without having done any work of your own other than c/p, and posting them from another website. If I were to take images from SPP and post them on PokeBeach, claiming it was "Fair Use," do you think Serebii would allow that? The Pokemon community does not take kindly to stealing, even if it is under the title of "Fair Use, so we can take/do with your images whatever we want." People work hard on their websites and getting these types of images up - how would you feel if you spent forever working on a set of images, only to find another website having posted them up without your permission, and sometimes, without any link back to your own (and that is mainly the case with the scans)? Heck, I see that Shaymin and Arceus' image pages have links back to SPP when the sprites are available anywhere and did not even originally originate from SPP, yet the scans that we scanned in, edited, watermarked, and told people not to take, don't even have a link back to my site? How fair is that?

If you want images on Wikipedia, prepare them yourself. You don't have the moral right to go to someone else's website and rip them off, only to post them on Wikipedia because they may be under "Fair Use." It's called being "lazy," and to many, "stealing."

Water Pokemon Master

I personally apologize for the wording used on the sourcing for the Ken Sugimori images, I updated them all a few moths ago and felt that "here" was good enough. If you'd like I can easily go through them all and change it to PokeBeach.com - I can even provide a link to wherever you wish in reference to you being the person who edited them for transparency. As for the TCG scans, most of them are highly inappropriate as they violate our guidlines for resolutions anyway, and I didn't source them myself because I was unsure where they were coming from (however rectifying this will be a little more difficult b/c some people decided to uncategorize a large number of them). Your anger is understandable, and I agree 110% that you need to be properly attributed. Just let me know the specifics and we can hopefully put this blunder behind us. -ΖαππερΝαππερ ^Babel_Alexandria 20:34, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

WPM, I've sent you an e-mail about this. This is a problem, and it will be recitified as swiftly as possible. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 19:50, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm talking to WPM right now. The copyvio text is going to die, we need to get rid of the card scans that are taken from his site (which was something we needed to do anyway), and there are some conditions for the Sugimori art but they're pretty reasonable ones roughly in line with Wikipedia policy. Details forthcoming. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 21:21, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

The result of my discussion with WPM is at WT:PCP#Image solution. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 22:01, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Lolz, wut AMIB? I thought you didn't have a working email address. hbdragon88 01:14, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

It's unreliable. I can send e-mails about half the time, and receive them about a fourth of the time. I worked this out with WPM on AIM, anyway. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:39, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

You know, I have a question. Does PokeBeach's modifications really constitute enough originality to claim something? Not a thing was changed with the artwork, more like touchups like transparency and such. hbdragon88 06:19, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Derivative work at best. I'm still not sure where Wikipedia stands with respect to their use. --The Raven's Apprentice ^{(PokéNav|Trainer Card)} 12:15, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Why cant we all get along and be one iternet and not a bunch of websites? Plus, isn't Pokemon about friendship? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.223.130.180 (talk • contribs)

Troll alert

As the article currently stands, it's pretty messed up with childish "humor" - I am not sure how to revert or fix this but hopefully a moderator or other user will be able to. Birgitsnet 18:58, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Examples? --The Raven's Apprentice ^{(PokéNav|Trainer Card)} 15:00, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

RhynCheck Clear

This article has been RhynChecked for Deadlinks and found to be clear! :D Rhynri 02:32, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Pokemon Crater

Whilst non nintendo endorced, is this noteowrhty? It is very popular.Tarkyn 24 11:34, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

No--Mhart54com 07:56, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

It is non-strategical, which takes away all the fun in Pokemon AbsoluteZero255 03:10, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pokémon Chaos Black. -Jéské ^{(Blah v^_^v)} 03:29, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

The End?

Will there be no more Pokemon generations after this? I mean, it's been established how Pokemon were created, how the land and sea were made, and how emotions, knowledge, and willpower came to be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.221.238.182 (talk • contribs) at 14:19, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Try a Pokemon forum as Wikipedia is not a forum, thanks. SpigotMap 21:31, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

And signing comments might help, too.You can do it with four ~'s. Tarkyn 24 21:32, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Gotta Catch'em All!

Does anybody know why the slogan is no longer used by Nintendo? As long as anybody can back it up, that sure would be an interesting little tidbit.SuperChencho 18:01, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't think a reason was actually given by Nintendo; all we know, and therefore all we can put down on the article, is that it was used at first but put out of use later. Erik Jensen ^{(Appreciate|Laugh At)} 18:08, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

So far, I haven't found an article, interview, statement or anything in which the reason of the disposing of the slogan is explained. Nevertheless, if you think about it, it makes sense. As most of you know, the Pokémon franchise received a huge amount of criticism, most of which concerned its commercialistic stance. Seen from that point of view, the slogan is indeed offensively transparent: "Gotta Catch'em All!" actually means "Gotta Buy'em All!" In the anime, the sentence is repeated over and over again, prompting kids to buy more and more cards and other merchandise. So, many saw the franchise's slogan as the mantra of it's commercialism. Not really an image to be proud of. - Face 18:01, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, in the video games when you get the National Pokedex, the only way to fill it up completly is to "catch'em all" so you can read the desrtiption and information of the Pokemon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.223.130.180 (talk • contribs)

Bulbapedia?

Why does bulbapedia redirect here? shouldn't it get its own article if Wikipedia gets its own article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.112.254.106 (talk) 16:11, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

I personally don't think Bulbapedia is well-known and notable enough to have it's own article (but I could be wrong). See also Wikipedia:Notability (web). - Face 18:01, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

It's because Bulbapedia is a fansite, which is not notable under Wikipedia guidelines. MelicansMatkin (talk) 21:34, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

is THE longest

south park,arthur,king of the hill or even the simpson's has not ran for more than 500 episode's,the longest of those series is the simpson's and it's only ran for 400 episode's curently. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.77.238.146 (talk)

Pokémon (video games)

I've also posted this on the talk page of the article, but I figured I should post it here as well to make sure that everybody hears me: I think the article Pokémon (video games) should be retitled to Pokémon video game series. That name sounds a bit more logical. The way it is titled now makes you think that the article is about a number of video games all titled Pokémon. If I hear no objections, I'll move this page soon. - Face 18:01, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I've heard no objections, except for some remarks by SpigotMap about the links which, of course, I will take care of. - Face 18:55, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

References

References 15-20 & 23 are completely inappropriate. They underlie a fairly large portion of the criticism section, mostly with self-published material. Some of it isn't even a third party source, but rather, self-published websites that advocate these points of view. Inclusion requires coverage by a third party source - we should not be referencing some guy's ideas about how Pokemon are Satanic, just because we can find his ramblings online. The references do not meet WP:RS, and much of the material in that section is left unsubstantiated. I am not a regular editor of this article, so I will not venture to remove the sources just yet, but they need to be replaced because they are highly dubious and carry very little credibility. --Cheeser1 15:38, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

For example, I would like to add a section "religious endorsements" because here we see that several religious groups see this game and its creatures as the saviors of mankind. However, I just put this page up today, it is completely made-up, and it is in no way credible (ie just as credible as those other references). Unless there are reliable third-party sources to back these claims, the sources and the information they (don't) support must be removed. Maybe there are sources - if so, I hope someone finds them, but until then, we can't have this unsubstantiated criticism in Wikipedia - this is not a pulpit for criticism of Pokemon (which, by the way, I'm not even a fan of). If Joe Q Nutbag wants to slander Nintendo's little fuzzy-wuzzies, he'll have to get notable, reliable, third-party coverage of his criticisms befor we can include it in Wikipedia. --Cheeser1 15:47, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Additionally, source 24 is not actually alleging that Pokemon promotes cockfighting - it's a joke. It's not journalistic coverage of any real criticism of Pokemon, nor is it an editorial or opinion piece to that effect. Reading between the lines is essential (we don't cite the Daily Show, do we?). --Cheeser1 15:51, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

No worries my friend. You are absolutely right and I've removed these sections. I found that every source in the section except the ones I left were not appropriate. Most all of the references were the ramblings of some un-notable person, one was even attacking non-christians. The references from Bulbagarden are completely inappropriate, as is the ones from blogs. Anyone else do not add these sections back unless you have RELIABLE sources. For information on this see WP:VERIFY. Cheers! SpigotMap 16:03, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Wow! No need to write a complete essay about this, dude! Five or six lines will do. - Face 19:22, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually there are several essays and several different policies that detail which references we can use and how to use them. If other editors are working diligently to fix this article, and happen to be more verbose or thorough than you'd like, I would still ask that you keep your unproductive jibes or side-comments to yourself. --Cheeser1 18:57, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Categories

Though Pokémon spans the 1990s/2000s fad categories, is Pokémon still considered just a fad? FMF 19:16, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I would say no, running for over 10 years without slowing down is not a fad. SpigotMap 20:53, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Without slowing down? Are we sure about that? Also, a fad is something that comes and goes. Disco lasted what, a decade? And that was a fad. --Cheeser1 22:12, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I think it exploded around 1999, when Nintendo was whoring the property to EVERYTHING. (Breakfast cereals and jellies, etc. etc.) Then it went into a slump, I think. Leading up to DP it got considerably more popular and right now it's pretty big, but it's still not as huge as back then, I don't think.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 23:08, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't think there is a definite answer to this. I'd consider things like Tomagotchis to be a fad. Things that came, everyone had for a year or two max, then disapeared from existance. SpigotMap 06:20, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

This article from the NY Times reports about the collapsing of the American Pokémon Trading Card market in January 2001. This marked the end of the Pokémon fad in North-America. Pokémon is, as we all know, still a very successful game-based franchise, but that's not the same as a fad. - Face 16:26, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Seeing the Sucess the Pokemon Franchise has had as a whole, I still don't see Pokemon as a fad. In the late 1990's the fronts of Pokemon were very visilble, some even can still be seen today (i.e Pokemon: The First Movie remains the Highest-grossing anine film in the United States with $85,744,662), but it is arguable to say that Pokemon hasn't lost any ground. Personally, i think it is safe to say it went into some sign of decline, but is gaining ground (i.e Pokemon Diamond and Pearl Sell 1 million copies in five days[6]. Proof that things like this still sell and the films sill gross over ¥1.13 billion, should tell most that Pokemon is still going strong today AmericanAtl 17:04, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

The games are indeed still very successful. But the anime series and movies rose and fell. They're still popular, but they are not watched or sold any better than an average franchise anymore. The definition of a fad according to Wikipedia is "a fashion that becomes popular in a culture relatively quickly, but loses popularity dramatically". Pokémon fits in this description. - Face 15:07, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I think the implication there, though, is that its popularity dwindles to a very low level. Everything is more popular at some particular point in time; a fad is distinguished by almost all the popularity being lost. -Amarkov moo! 23:31, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

You have a point, but you should see things in a relative way. As stated above, the definition says that a fad "loses popularity dramatically". The series/movies might still be averagely popular today, but compared to how incredible popular it was, it sure has decreased a lot. The Pokémon anime could thus be seen as a fad. The Pokémon TCG is certainly a fad. Only the Pokémon games can be seen as more than just a trend, as AmericanAtl already showed. - Face 09:50, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Too many templates

I think that it would be a good idea to merge all of the Pokémon-related templates such as species lists, regions and other related things into the one template to cover the whole franchise. I'll be constructing one in my sandbox, but I'd like to get some feedback before I put it in. Thanks, ætərnal ðrAعon → 09:32, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Just saw your template, and I think it's great! Strange that nobody has thought of this before. I think the tv series, films and video games section are accurate, but the character section could use some tweaking. Take a look at the article List of Pokémon characters. Also, I think the Handheld video games and Console video games should be on the top of the list (below creators), not as one of the last. Again, great template! I say we use it. - Face 10:59, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

new website

http://diax87pkmnmaster.wikispaces.com/

this should be on main article cuz its informational 4 tildes —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iluvpokemon1223 (talk • contribs) 00:04, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Um, that is a website I help my real-life friend with... No, it shouldn't be here obviously becuase it is just yet another fansite... Thanks, Codelyoko193 _Talk 00:08, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, it shouldn't be there. See here, point 12 and 13. Only official sites are allowed. Cheers, Face 10:05, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

[ˈpoʊ.ke.mɑn]

Who pronounces it like this? It's certainly not how it's pronounced in Japanese. Jɪmp 00:14, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

This is the English Wikipedia, not the Japanese one. The Englis pronunciation is appropriate. I'm not familiar with IPA, but it's "poe - kay - mon" (poe as in Edgar Alan, kay as in the letter k, mon as in monitor). --Cheeser1 01:36, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

"The English pronunciation is appropriate." I agree (otherwise I'd have changed it). I was wondering about it, though, because I'd only every heard /ˈpɒk.iˌmɒn/ (like pocky-mon with the pocky rhyming with rocky & the mon same as you've described it). As for the IPA transcription, yeah, it does match "poe - kay - mon" in certain dialects. /ˈpoʊ.keiˌmɒn/ would be a better transcription for this from a cross-dialect perspective. However, do we have any source for either pronunciation? Jɪmp 03:35, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

A source... I don't think there'd be one. Unless Pokémon winds up in a (reputable) dictionary anytime soon, that is. However, in English, the proper pronunciation of é is almost invariably like the French (an "ay" sound). --Cheeser1 03:55, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure we can talk of any "proper pronunciation of é" in Eglish. English spelling and English pronunciation do not have a one-to-one relationship, so it's not as if é has any special meaning. Wherever an é does occur, it's from some foreign language. This foreign language is generally French, and this is why "é is almost invariably like the French". However, we can't simply say é represents the FACE vowel in general. It all depends on the particular word. This word is from Japanese (yeah, actually English, then Japanese, then back again) so we (i.e. we Wikipedia editors) should not assume the French pronunciation to be "proper". If, of course, the general public do so assume then we document that. Jɪmp 04:33, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

The thing we have to consider is J vs E: the accented e was supposedly due to people who may pronounce the middle syllable wrong (eg. using a schwa or a [i]) - this may have been the trend from other words (or from Pokémon to other words) such as animé. However, from random sampling of anime episodes, the pronounciation of the second and third syllables wildly differ (even from the same voice actor). Most of the time, the vowel on the second syllable is made into a diphthong, resulting in the Japanese [e] becoming [eI] (This is common for English in general, and not of English pronounciation of Japanese in particular), although this hasn't stopped some numbers of characters using [i] instead of [eI]. Differences in the third syllable are more minor in general, the main differences are in either using a low vowel (an a) or a medium back one (an o), which may be more of a regionalism than anything to do with pronounciation (compare - using original voice actors - Meowth or Butch, with clearly defined accents, to Ash or Brock, who do not). Still, what we can agree on is that, at the very least, the first syllable, which is different in Japanese (straight [o]) compared to English (another diphthong).

Still, this is small beans compared to how the names of individual Pokémon are pronounced:

• Larvitar with the vowel in the second syllable (both a schwa and [ej] are used, the latter during the Larvitar arc in the anime, and the former in Pikachu's Pikaboo)
• Bonsly ([bown.slaj] vs [bon.slaj] vs [bon.sli] vs...)
• Gabite (stress on the first or second syllable - PBR uses the second, although it seems the first is more popular)
• Illumise (does it have an extra [ej] on the end?)
• Vespiquen (do we assume that the name is supposed to be ten letters long and has three es due to a technical limitation...?)
• Chimecho ([chai.me.kow] vs [chi.mi.kow] vs ..., different pronunciations are used in the PokéRap and when James refers to his Pokémon)
• Houndour ([hown.daur] vs [hown.dowr] vs ..., different pronunciations used by the narrator and Cassidy)
• Gardevoir ([gar.de.vor] vs [gar.de.voir] vs ..., due to it's French-sounding name)
• Rayquaza ([rei.kuei.za] vs. [rei.kua.za], the former is used in Destiny Deoxys, the latter is more popular in the fan community)
• Chatot, Gliscor, Arceus, Mesprit, Giratina, and Buneary can easily be pronounced wrong, but I haven't seen the eps where they are introduced to measure the plausible pronunciations.

kelvSYC 08:10, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Happiny is also had to say. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.223.130.180 (talk • contribs)

What was the origin?

Ummmm... I'm probably a retard for asking but... did Pokemon originate as a game or manga? I always thought it was a huge manga and went from there ,but Nintendo owns Pokemon. It also implies more than states this info so that's why I'm asking. [[User:SxeFluff--SxeFluff 02:47, 7 October 2007 (UTC)]] 21:51, 7 October 2007

I'm pretty sure it started as a novel, then went from there.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 03:21, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Like a manga,novel or novel,novel? Because I doubt a book like 'how to kill a mockingbird' would start such a franchise. Manga, if good and recieved well, turn into anime easily. DBZ started this way and it's a fav for many fans. [[User:SxeFluff--SxeFluff 19:15, 7 October 2007 (UTC)]] 14:19, 8 October 2007

Pokemon was a game first, then I think a TV show, and finally a manga. Last 2 may be out of order, but it was definately a game first. 69.182.79.194 09:48, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it all began with the Aka/Midori (Red/Blue) games. When those became a surpise success, Nintendo agreed with their friend Shogakukan to create a manga based on the game to be putted in the KoroKoro. This is actually normal procedure in Japan, and KoroKoro frequently has mangas based around popular Nintendo games (Mario, Donkey Kong, Kirby etc). When the manga became popular as well, they made the anime. So, in Japan, it's games -> manga -> anime. In the US, they introduced Pokémon through the anime, then a few weeks later they released the games. The comics took a while because manga isn't very popular in America. - Face 11:01, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Really? I thought it was Game->Anime->Manga! Optimus35 00:20, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Game was first. Exactly. THE MANGA/ANIME WAS LATER. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.127.11.233 (talk • contribs) at 19:03, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Yep, you're right. You can sign your comments with ~~~~ btw. - Face 22:45, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Japanese/English name

of course many people know the lead character as Ash, but considering it is Japanese anime, and his name is different in the original version, the Japanese name should also be mentioned. I think to mention both names would be the idea solution.Sennen goroshi 22:09, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

solved. Urutapu's edit seems to be the best solution..Sennen goroshi 22:18, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Ben (talk) 21:12, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

I just fixed a MAJOR vandalism thing on here, on the history it showed Zeldaninja had replaced the ENTIRE article with three links, my friends have gotten me to go to it, and i know that there is no reason in having that in talk or on Wikipedia. Lightning Rodd 16:40, 5 November 2007 (UTC)Lightningrodd

After looking at his contribs, I blocked Zeldaninja indefinitely as a vandalism-only account - he plastered Evolution and the Roman Catholic Church with goatse URLs, and slapped date pages with nn births. -Jéské ^{(Blah v^_^v)} 18:42, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your help Lightningrodd, and welcome to Wikipedia. Btw, who were those friend you mentioned who told you to go to this page? - Face 18:51, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Well they are not on Wikipedia as users —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lightningrodd (talk • contribs) 00:07, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

If there is no reason for having that in talk, then there must be an alternate reason why you brought it to talk. Anyways, yaay for another Wikipedia hero announcing his reverts to vandalism. *Applauds* Neal (talk) 16:51, 19 November 2007 (UTC).

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New Pokemon

Hi! I'm more or less an expert of Pokemon and when there's a new generation, more new Pokemon. Yet on Wikipedia there are some things i'm confused on. Now, what's with the new "Regi" Pokemon? We don't know anything about them. Plus everything with Eternatus and on is unclear and doesn't appear even in Bulbapedia so how is that canon? Thanks. UB Blacephalon (talk) 16:29, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia is more focused on general information about the franchise as a whole. Most of the nitty-gritty stuff is usually left out because the article would be too long and would have to explain more than 20 years of lore and game content. You mentioned Bulbapedia in your inquiry. Bulbapedia is more of a place to answer these sorts of questions. Their articles are more focused on individual elements of each game. I recommend checking them out for future inquiries.

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Semi-protected edit request on 27 March 2020

this is actually old and your not mensening pokemon sword and shield anime and the main pokemon and all legendaires I think that you should update it also the number of pokemon with glitched pokemon and i mean like jesus talk about gliches and the custom made roms that is what makes pokemon quite famous Unaimed God (talk) 21:03, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. No intelligible request made. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 23:06, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 April 2020

Please add a section called "Other music" in the Other media section and add Pika Dance to it: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Pika+Dance&docid=608021206705049374&mid=76791D72DE525752BB2276791D72DE525752BB22&view=detail&FORM=VIRE Pikachu6686 (talk) 21:18, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. A Bing search string is not a reliable source. to be included here , there should be reliable sources that mention the dance as significant or notable in some way. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:45, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Cultural influence section

The phrase "The characters have become..." should be changed to "The various species of Pokémon have become..." and should link to List of Pokémon rather than List of Pokémon Characters.

This phrase is referring to the prominence of merchandise featuring certain species of Pokémon (Pikachu, Eevee, etc.) not characters (Gym Leaders, Trainers, other individuals). "Pokémon character" is an incorrect way of referring to a species of Pokémon; it is actually a term for human characters (i.e. Professor Elm) and individual Pokémon who play roles in a story (Ash's Pikachu, Maylene's Lucario) in the Pokémon franchise. P7W4M2S1 (talk) 06:33, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Agree, done.[7] Pikavoom (talk) 07:16, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

New article entitled “Lists of Pokémon media”?

Hey, I was wondering if there should be a navigation article for Pokémon franchise media.

Lists of Pokémon media should include links to the following articles:

List of Pokémon video games

List of Pokémon films

List of Pokémon manga

List of Pokémon books

List of Pokémon theme songs

What do you think of this idea?

--MatthewRC (talk) 12:31, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 November 2020

Landon edwa (talk) 17:39, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. -ink&fables «talk» 14:59, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

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sup

i love pokemon, and i want this to be on the good articles list! lets get this to the top! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gklampert26 (talk • contribs) 16:53, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

This is not a chat room. All discussion must be related to what is in the article. Thank you. Leaf8613 (talk) 02:14, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Edit request: contraction → portmanteau

??? this is empty, did you make an mistake? CrayonArt45 (talk) 23:55, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Renomination

I think the article is ready for a renomination attempt, Would someone please help me with this? CrayonArt45 (talk) 13:59, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 November 2020

I want to wright about the glitches. 2603:9001:2B02:BBEC:8CB0:FC7E:5401:BCD6 (talk) 16:54, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

What about them? You need to be specific in your request: what do you want added to the article, and what reliable sources back the assertions up? —C.Fred (talk) 16:55, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

They may be asking for an Glitches category. CrayonArt45 (talk) 14:02, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Clarification

Hello readers of this article! We are glad to see that you are willing to take part in this disscusion. Editors, you may have noticed that there are [clarification needed] objects in the article, I would like to help out and start a discussion! I would like to know how we can clear things up for our readers. PokeGnome30 (talk) 01:36, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

there aren't any now CrayonArt45 (talk) 22:18, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

The article says over 900 Pokémon but it’s 898

Change 900 to 898. Leader Rui (talk) 16:06, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

 Not done There are 900 Pokemon, due to the new evolutions from Legends Arceus.

Semi-protected edit request on 10 October 2021

Under the heading "Fan Community" paragraph 4 it states, "an small experiment", change the article to "a small experiment" Primetimeweb (talk) 00:57, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

 Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:04, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2021

Pokemon nuzlockes usually have a dupes clause meaning that if a Pokémon that has already been encountered is encountered again the person doing the nuzlocke is allowed to reroll their encounter 2600:1017:B026:C46B:9550:9027:DEF2:565C (talk) 18:17, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:10, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 November 2021

A challenge called the Nuzlocke Challenge allows players to only capture the first Pokémon encountered in each area, if said encounter is a repeat of a Pokémon that was previously caught, the player will be allowed to reroll the encounter, If they do not succeed in capturing that Pokémon, there are no second chances. When a Pokémon faints, it is considered "dead" and must be released or stored in the PC permanently. 174.197.208.180 (talk) 18:01, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:17, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Pokemon and the highest grossing media franchise

Ok, this one should be easy to correct but the claim that " Pokemon is the highest-grossing media franchise" needs to be changed to "Pokemon is one of the highest-grossing media franchises" because the Page List of the highest-grossing media franchises is missing data(companies don't really release all the information). There is no way to know which is the highest-grossing media franchise/highest-grossing brand. It's misleading otherwise.Timur9008 (talk) 03:26, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

I think saying it's "estimated to be the highest-grossing media franchise" would make more sense. Maestro2016 (talk) 03:04, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

I agree. Will change this. Timur9008 (talk) 05:14, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Splitting the info

I propose we split the info from the top to the history section( if created) similar to the Winnie the Pooh article which has a history section. (plus we can use the 2 Refideas to expand that section) Would love to hear what others think. Timur9008 (talk) 13:23, 15 December 2021 (UTC)