Talk:Presidential standard of India

Can we actually verify this?

The only cited source in the article, and the only online source I could locate on a quick check, is this hobbyist website, which in turn cites this book (which I could not access or assess) while saying that the information may be dubious or outdated. If this indeed is "The Presidential Standard of India" we should be able to find better/official sources that say so. Also note that the images on wikimedia commons of the purported flag, and , are both made up by wikipedia editors based on no cited source and don't match each other or the image at the hobbyist website (which again is user generated web-art).

Unless the contents of this article can be verified, we should delete it lest we end up spreading misinformation. Abecedare (talk) 17:12, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

@Abecedare: Well actually,there are few or almost no online sources to verify content probably because this Presidential Flag is used very rarely ,and there are also many officical other designs of "Presidential Flags" of India. And second thing is a totally wrong image,this image is a customized user art image ,I mean this image is actually created by someone on computer using coloured formats of political symbols like elephant of Bahujan Samaj Party (refer BSP Symbol),it doesn't match with original elephant symbol taken from Elephant from Ajanta Cave(refer Elephant Art,Elephant Carving).I mean this image is totally fake/wrong format of real Flag.And I think there are good quantity of sources to verify the information provided in this article,so it shouldn't be deleted.Haxxorsid (talk) 13:39, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Haxxorsid, I had posted a question about this article at India project noticeboard and in the subsequent discussion (copied below) User:The Masked Man of Mega Might had dug up some useful information, including the relevant quote from the book I had mentioned above. I have since edited the article to incorporate that information, and there is no current proposal to delete the page.

You appear to be correct about the errors in one of the flag images on wikimedia commons. The other image looks to be a reasonable match to the written description although it would be good to have visual confirmation. Abecedare (talk) 15:15, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Related discussion at India project noticeboard

Copying here from noticeboard for future reference. Abecedare (talk) 15:15, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

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Does anyone know if this exists/existed and its current status? Abecedare (talk) 17:17, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

It's mostly used by the President in honoring the armed forces, a unit gets the presidential standard as a mark of honour. The image used currently is incorrect I think, I'll have to find a proper source for the right image (we have a lot of user generated images on Commons that are designed from text and use incorrect representations of what's written). —SpacemanSpiff 17:28, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it would be good to get some proper source and then restrict the article content to what we can actually verify, so that we don't end up spreading misinformation given that an hour after the article was created it was already a top hit for the term. Also agree with you about the commons images (see my note on the article talkpage). Abecedare (talk) 17:38, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Here are some primary sources [1], [2] also [3], TOI. --Human3015^{Send WikiLove}  18:04, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

• Two images of the standard being presented. Doesn't look much like our images. The crw source is also problematic in that they have caused the wrong banner to be used in BI articles for 1858-1947. —SpacemanSpiff 19:37, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

• The Presidential Standard of India and the President's colors/standards are entirely different things. You can see the various iterations of the Presidential standards in this image. Chand N. Das (1984). Traditions and Customs of the Indian Armed Forces. Vision Books. p. 53. - FLAGS OF THE VICEROY, GOVERNOR-GENERAL, THE PRESIDENT OF INDIA AND THE GOVERNORS - Before Independence the flag of the Viceroy of India was a Union Jack superimposed with a crown and the Star of India. After Independence, the flag of the Governor-General was dark blue with the crest of the Lion and Crown in full colour with 'India' in golden letters. When India became a Republic, the flag of the President was quarterly, blue and red with the charges in gold line: first the Ashoka Lions, second an elephant, third a pair of scales, and fourth a lotus bowl. The Lion came from the Ashoka Column and represented unity. Patience and strength were embodied, in the lively-looking 5th Century elephant, taken from the Ajanta frescoes. The scales, a 17th century Moslem design came from the Red Fort, Delhi and symbolised justice and economy, and the lotus bowl, from Sarnath, (Circa 1st century bc) stood for prosperity and plenty. The Governors of the provinces flew a saffron flag with a crown. This was also superseded by the state emblem and the name of province which later became the state. The names of the states were changed into Devanagri script, when India became a Republic. On August 15, 1971 it was, however, decided that the President and the State Governors will fly the National Flag. The Presidential Standard of India is not in existence anymore while the President's standards are actively being conferred on various military units from time to time. The website got these two mixed up. The Masked Man of Mega Might (talk) 04:16, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Thank you for that, it makes perfect sense now. —SpacemanSpiff 04:33, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

That is most helpful, Masked Man! I have reworked the article based on the quote you provided. Review would be welcome, esp. to check that I haven't missed or messed up some vexillological term or MOS requirement. Abecedare (talk) 05:36, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

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