Talk:Richard D. James Album/GA1

GA Review

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Nominator: LunaEclipse (talk · contribs) 00:14, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Chchcheckit (talk · contribs) 16:32, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

I'll get to this pretty soon.

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Well-written

• The reception section is good. Currently looking through other parts.
• I feel that the Release section should be rejigged; Music & Media (cited in sales box) notes how it was Warp Records best-selling release at that point with 100,000 copies sold, and this 1997 interview decipts RDJ's suprise at this. Also; the chart information mentioned in the lead should be referenced in the "release section" as well.
• Would it be better to have a "release history" table at the bottom of the article instead of small references to reissues? And then to format it to "release and reception?
• Y no pagenumbers for Kirn 2011? (appears to have been fixed)

Accuracy/Verifiability/Spotchecks

• The "Usage In Media" section mostly appears to be original research (WP:OR) save for the references on "4" and "Girl/Boy Song" which could be better incorporated into the article (i'm still writing so give me a second to explain myself)
• Y Chart info about not charting as high is citing UK charts; WP:OR
  •  Removed 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 ⚧ ^{【=◈︿◈=】} 20:48, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• earwig copyvio checks out.
• put in the electronic beats article for media whilelisting review, i'll see where that goes but there should be no issues

Broad

• Has points for all relevant areas
•  Done see below: sales milestone is not rlly covered in article as it is (as of september 9 at 1:33pm utc) (has been fixed/added; sept 17)

NPOV

• pending, reception is good though

Stability

• Appears to be since August 22.

Illustrations/Images

• Artwork and images of plug n Squarepusher are all appropriately rationaled; no problems there.
•  Done "4" audio sample appears to be 10 seconds too long per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Music samples, but it passed review. (states that 10% of song should be used. "4" is 3:37 or 217 seconds long, and 10% of that is 21.7 seconds) Not sure about this one, I'll ponder.

Going through still // Chchcheckit (talk) 14:25, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

@LunaEclipse any comments? Chchcheckit (talk) 11:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Tried to come up with a few of my own writing ideas regarding part of the lead and the entire reception section, cause if in lead they should be mentioned in the body of text as well.

Second para of lead:

• Richard D. James Album reached number 62 on the UK Albums Chart and became James' first album to chart in the United States, at number 20 on Billboard's Top Heatseekers Albums chart; by 1997, it had sold 100,000 copies worldwide, becoming Warp's most successful release. It received acclaim from music critics, and has since been described as one of the best albums of 1996 and the 1990s overall by music critics.

Release:

• Richard D. James Album was released through Warp on 4 November 1996.[23] It was released in the United States by Sire Records on 28 January 1997;[24] the American version included the Girl/Boy EP as bonus tracks.[25] The album was released on compact disc, cassette and gramophone record;[26] early copies of the album were distributed with a plastic sachet containing James' hair.[27] On 16 November 1996, The album debuted at number 62 on the UK Albums Chart and number 7 on the UK Dance Albums Chart.[28][29] The album became James' first album to chart in the US, debuting at number 20 on Billboard's Top Heatseekers Albums chart.[24] By late 1997, the album had sold 100,000 copies worldwide, becoming Warp's most successful release.[30] James was suprised by the album's sales figures, calling them "pretty bizzare".[31]
• the "first to chart in the US" is supported by this source

hhh. Chchcheckit (talk) 13:07, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

@LunaEclipse article is doing pretty good so far, but lead and sales mention needs fixing for article to go to GA Chchcheckit (talk) 12:50, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Chchcheckit, where's the source that mentions that RDJA was Warp's best-seller at the time? I couldn't find one — 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 ⚧ ^{【=◈︿◈=】} 11:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

the 1997 music and media citation for the 100,000 worldwide sales, in the sales section. Chchcheckit (talk) 16:29, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

by Gary smith, "warp finds a voice" Chchcheckit (talk) 16:30, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Chchcheckit,  Done— 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 ⚧ ^{【=◈︿◈=】} 20:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Good work, you're almost there:

• I've copyedited some stuff to make it clearer.
• "which suprised James". Needs a little more clarification; he's suprised at its general sales, not the fact that it was warp's bestselling release.
• the musicradar article is referencing an 1997 interview with Space Age Bachelor, albeit with editorial commentary. i've put the original article next to it.
• removed duplicate space age bachelor ref
•  Done no page number for detroit free press? (because the rest of the print sources have them)
• second paragraph of lead: can you explain why the album received critical acclaim from the sources in the reception?
• i'd recommend removing the "use in media", because 1. a lack of substantial sources and 2. the space age bachelor article (and its related transcript) may be discussing the use of "girl/boy" in a bank of america commercial, but does not appear to be specifically related to the promotion of the richard d. james album

Yayay. // Chchcheckit (talk) 10:41, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

@LunaEclipse (forgot to add this) Chchcheckit (talk) 10:44, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Chchcheckit,  Done— 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 ⚧ ^{【=◈︿◈=】} 16:05, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

We're like, 95% done. Tomorrow I'll address some issues in the Accuracy/Verifiability section and we should be done after that hopefully. // Chchcheckit (talk) 20:42, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

@LunaEclipse Alright, so here are the final things to do.

• The comments about the artwork (citing 2016 vice interview w johnny clayton) are discussing ...I Care Because You Do, not Richard D James album. (quoted text: The back of the …I Care Because You Do booklet assigns virtually everything involved with the album to James, but one extra name stands out, scrawled-out in tiny and messy handwriting: “Design help from john.”) So it's WP:OR. That being said, you could/should copy that paragraph over to that article as it is, as it hasn't been mentioned there/is good enough to work there.  Done 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 ⚧ ^{【=◈︿◈=】} 13:15, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
• The "Epynomous Rex Article" has been copied over onto this site at this url. I've added the relevant details.
• What makes Spectrum Culture a reliable source? (it is not included on Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources)

• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums/Archive 76#Removal of undiscussed/underdiscussed sources 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 ⚧ ^{【=◈︿◈=】} 13:06, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

(self-clarification: I said it was WP:OR because Clayton is credited in the sleeve of RDJA. so the use of the source was kinda a improper correlation?) // Chchcheckit (talk) 13:35, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Spotchecks

• James also noted the influence of his friend Tom Jenkinson (a.k.a. Squarepusher). He had said Jenkinson and Vibert were the "only two people around who are [musically] consistent enough for me". The cited source (perfect sound forever) doesn't support the content; only states that he likes both artists. Either find a source which supports this/has this quote (perhaps you used the wrong source?) or remove it.  Removed 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 ⚧ ^{【=◈︿◈=】} 13:15, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
• This faster style of drum programming was inspired by James' friend Luke Vibert, also known as Plug. James stated that while he worked with triplets and complicated beats in the past, that Vibert "got me into doing it a faster pace. He gave me the spark to do it faster, but now I'm trying to take it to all extremes". Please type out/copy the relevant text over from Kirn 2011 to confirm this  Done Huge thanks to @Serial Number 54129 for emailing me the relevant pages! :) 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 ⚧ ^{【=◈︿◈=】} 12:10, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
•  Done For the orchestral arrangements on the album, James bought a violin at a car boot sale. He taught himself to play a note from the instrument by placing it on a table, playing a note and sampling the note. Verified. (I found the source on the internet archive)

OKOKOK. // Chchcheckit (talk) 12:54, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Chchcheckit, all  Done— 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 ⚧ ^{【=◈︿◈=】} 13:16, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

@LunaEclipse Thanks. The text for Kirn 2011 wasn't needed on the article, only for spotcheck purposes, so I've removed it and copied it here for future reference. Otherwise, you've done all that is needed for this article is ready to be listed. Thank you and great work!

Copied text relevant to Kirn 2011 spotcheck: “I think the main influence is Luke from Wagon Christ. He really inspired me to get into it more. I used to do lots of crazy triplets and stuff at a slower pace, but he really got me into doing it at a faster pace. He gave me the spark to do it faster, but now I’m trying to take it to all extremes, basically.”

// Chchcheckit (talk) 13:34, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Quick NPOV comment: it is fine.