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Discography

Semi Protected edit request, please!

Page does not have a discography section, though it mentions the albums within the body as awards won.

Discography:

• Reality...What a Concept!(1979)
• Throbbing Python of Love (1983)- later re-released at an audio CD 2014
• Pecos Bill(1988)- Narrated a childrens book with music by Ry Cooder
• A Night at the Met (1986)
• Good Morning Vietnam (1987)- Soundtrack featuring Williams as DJ Adrian Cronauer, whom he portrayed in the movie by the same title.
• Live 2002 (2003)- recorded from a tour at Broadway, 2002
• Weapons of Self Destruction (2010)- Filmed in Washington D.C. during Williams' sold out national tour. His last released comedy album.

All of Williams' comedy albums have been nominated for a Grammy Award for Best Comedy Album,with all but two having won.

references: http://www.discogs.com/artist/236178-Robin-Williams

Thanks Geene69 (talk) 03:57, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

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Infobox length

There has been a fair amount of edits/reverts to the article's infobox recently. I took a look at it, in my opinion the length (as of this edit) is too long and the content goes into unnecessary detail. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes says that:

"When considering any aspect of infobox design, keep in mind the purpose of an infobox: to summarize key facts that appear in the article. The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance. Of necessity, some infoboxes contain more than just a few fields; however, wherever possible, present information in short form, and exclude any unnecessary content."

Every award? And every comedian he influenced? And all his influences? And all his genres?... Shearonink (talk) 04:33, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

I agree that the added information is far too excess for an infobox - which is meant to be at a glance. If there was an option to collapse that information, maybe inclusion would make sense. --MASEM (t) 05:39, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Also agree. Too. Much. Stuff. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 05:41, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Agree with trimming or relocating part. I don't think we need "medium" or "genres" at all. I'd move "influences" to the body, unless they're already noted there. I'd remove the "influenced" totally which belongs in body with context. --Light show (talk) 07:23, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Concur with the above; overkill for an infobox. Snuggums (talk / edits) 20:18, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

• Comment: As of this edit the infobox seems more appropriate, both in content and in length. Shearonink (talk) 21:08, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 July 2015

Add in the cause of death section in the infobox Asphyxiation by suicide. 75.167.190.174 (talk) 00:21, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

I've changed this from "Asphyxiation" to simply "Suicide". The fact he took his own life (as opposed to being murdered, or dying in an accident) seems more salient than the mechanism of his death, and past discussions indicate a strong desire to keep the infobox brief. Thanks, Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 11:55, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Cause of Death

Would suicide or hanging be more appropriate for cause of death? It seems like it would be more useful that asphyxiation, as that does not show how that happened. Just a suggestion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TurtleWatson (talk • contribs) 02:13, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 July 2015

Robin Williams was also the voice of Batty, the bat in Fern Gully: The Last Rainforest (1992), in Happy Feet Two he was Ramon (2011), also Back To Neverland (1989) and Saturday mornings Mork n Mindy cartoons!

2602:304:B016:4D60:9001:FC3B:86D2:DFAE (talk) 19:43, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 22:06, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Article improvement to-do

MJ94 and I are going to try and improve the quality of this article. We would like to get it to Good Article, or Featured Article status. Other editors are invited to help us in this effort. The following is a to-do list. --ceradon (talk • contribs) 08:17, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

• Rather than the subsections of the "Career" section be labelled topic-wise ("Stand up comedy", etc.), they should be labelled chronologically, as is done here, here and here.
• The contents of the "Awards" section should be in a table, or just be a link to where that info can be seen.
• "Filmography" should either be a table, or a link to Robin Williams filmography.
• "Early life" section should ideally be on section, with no subsections.
• Eliminate citations that are placed in the middle of sentences and not after commas, and put them at the end of the sentence.

I personally can't see any of those changes improving the article, and the examples of other actors aren't that similar. They were primarily actors, while Williams was a stand-up and actor at different overlapping periods during his career. And he acted in TV and movies at overlapping periods. Therefore adding years might actually complicate the sections, as they'd overlap and be lengthy. If you both were planning on interspersing his personal life and career as part of that chronology, I saw that done with Peter Sellers by some editors and I, and apparently others, felt it seriously degraded his article's readability.

The awards and filmography sections being put in a table would look a bit more organized, but in this case doesn't seem that much of an improvement, since both sections are chronological, simple to read now, and have hatnotes to the complete tables.

Since his early years include extensive details, unlike most entertainer bios, the sub-sections probably help readability, IMO.--Light show (talk) 16:21, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

We'll only intersperse personal details with details about his career when necessary. And the chronological set up is used quite often in other FAs and GAs. This is because it gives the reader a simple, logical flow of events. I think it would be profitable for our readers if we did that. If he did something in his stand-up career that relates or influenced his acting career, if the "Standup" and "Acting" sections are compartmentalized, readers will not have proper context. Finally, splitting it up in terms of time periods, rather than topic would help to reduce the size of the sections, not increase them.

Additionally, adding a table to the "Awards" and "Filmography section would also be simple to read, and would give readers more information than is currently given. As for the early years, you may be right, but I would like to at least try coalescing them to see if it would work, then if it gets too long, we will split it up. Thank you, --ceradon (talk • contribs) 16:43, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

FWIW, over the last year alone there have been thousands of edits made by over 50 different editors, and the article has remained fairly stable with no major disputes. As neither you nor MJ94 have ever made any edits to the article, it might appear disruptive to those editors who built the article to simply have two new editors remodel or reconstruct it to their preference. Certainly not without a reasonable period to receive previous editors' feedback. --Light show (talk) 17:08, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Light show, thank you for voicing your concerns. Ceradon and I have made the decision to work on a different article at this time. Best, MJ94 (talk) 19:33, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Tributes Improvements

The rainbow Waldo Tunnel in Marin County, where Williams lived most of his life, will soon be re-named after Robin Williams. Based on A petition on Change.org and assembly man Marc Levine

It should also be noted that many fans and news crews went to his home in Paradise Cay, CA where he was found dead.

Singer Cee Lo Green mourns Robin Williams in a song called "Robin Williams"

National Enquirer

I saw in the National Enquirer that he was murdered and they are working to expose the coverup. We need to unlock this and put the new information in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:804:0:3AA8:55D0:96FE:25C4:65F9 (talk) 04:26, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

No, absolutely not .The National Enquirer is a tabloid and far from anything like a reliable source. --MASEM (t) 06:04, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a rumor-mill. Besides, even if you saw it in the National Enquirer, do you have any other details, like the date, the writer, or an URL? Besides the fact that the National Enquirer isn't regarded as a reliable source for Wikipedia articles, I'm not doing your research for you. Shearonink (talk) 06:34, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Robin Williams Films

I just watched Robin Williams in The Angriest Man in Brooklyn (2014) on Netflix. Please add this to his film credits as it may have been his last screen appearance. Thank you. 68.235.241.91 (talk) 20:46, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

If you look at his filmography, Angriest Man in Brooklyn is already there, and most definitely not his last screen appearance. Four other movies were released after that film. Absolutely Anything will be his last movie, but that's a voice-only role, so Boulevard would be his last on-screen performance

And as a general rule, I don't think a movie which was barely released in theaters and has a 10% on Rotten Tomatoes, belongs on his main page. He's not going to be in any way remembered for Angriest Man in Brooklyn. CleverTitania (talk) 21:08, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

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Heavy metal

change ((heavy metal)) to ((Heavy metal music|heavy metal))

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Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2015

It's Williams' not Williams's 67.83.60.230 (talk) 05:19, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

• Not done: There are actually three acceptable practices and as long as it is consistent, which in this article it is, it is fine. --Stabila711 (talk) 07:43, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Also, there is correct and logical English grammar, which is presently is. — Smuckola(talk) 13:19, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2015

For the tributes section,

Please add the World of Warcraft tribute. They created an NPC and an island specifically to honor Robin Williams. Please see the following link:

http://www.wowhead.com/npc=88216/robin

24.234.200.149 (talk) 20:36, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Done -- ferret (talk) 03:05, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

The possessive apostrophe edit war.

Since this has gone to WP:AN3 already without being raised here... "Williams' " and "Williams's" are both correct per Apostrophe, and MOS:PUNCT does not not specify a preference for which style to use in Wikipedia. I don't care which we use. Meters (talk) 19:53, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

What has been the stable "version" for the longest? (not that it means its correct, just asking). I don't really care, but I would use Williams', but that's me, with a real last name ending in S :).

Ok, have at it fellows, and keep it civil, this ain't T(t)he Beatles for goodness sake. --Malerooster (talk) 19:56, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

"Williams's " seems to have been the usage in this article. Meters (talk) 20:15, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

There's absolutely nothing wrong with "Williams's". It should be left like that. William Avery (talk) 21:46, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

I prefer "Williams'", but I see nothing wrong with "Williams's". -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 23:58, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

I have no preference on usage. They're both correct, but the stable version has used "Williams's" so unless there is some really good argument for changing we should leave it with the "s's". Meters (talk) 00:11, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2016

Templates removal

There's these annoying templates that are in his spouse section that say "Template:Brl" in both next too "Marsha Williams" and "Susan Schneider". No one hasn't been fixing or removing them from the article while they were editing the article lately. Since I'm new here, can someone kindly please remove them vandalism templates from there please. I wanted too do it myself too, but the page is locked. InformationExpertIsRight (talk) 01:30, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

 Done - it looks like someone did a typo, inserting {{Brl}} when they meant to insert {{Brk}}. Now fixed. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 01:40, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! =) InformationExpertIsRight (talk) 02:22, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Patch Adams Information Needed ... Semi-protected edit request on 3 March 2016

Information regarding the film Patch Adams is needed. Rjdake (talk) 20:31, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 21:48, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi protected edit request

I was wondering. Shouldn't Lewy body dementia be listed as his cause of death instead of hanging?67.8.227.76 (talk) 15:48, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Death

I highly recommend quoting or referencing some of what Bobcat Goldthwait says about his good friend Robin Williams' state of mind illness and demise in "Joe Rogan Experience #800 - Bobcat Goldthwait" at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn5NjiE98tQ from 2:09:00 to 2:14:45. I'm not generally eloquent, concise or neutral but hope someone might wordsmith utilize this heartfelt compassionate testimony with humor and affection. JasonCarswell (talk) 09:32, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Remove "Official" Website

The link to his "Official Website" has expired/been bought by an unrelated entity. Since his website is no longer being maintained it should be removed from his Wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.10.86.148 (talk) 14:44, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Done. meamemg (talk) 13:48, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Popeye movie box office

The article mentions that one of Williams' first movies, Popeye was a commercial flop. However the article about the movie states that it made 60 million USD at box office, with a budget of 20 million USD. Also the article about the character Popeye states that this movie was a commercial success. Please fix the inconsistencies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.254.55.117 (talk) 09:01, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

anime and Legend of Zelda

In One Hour Photo, Robin Willaims shared his own Neon Genesis Evangelin action figures, Cowboy Beebop, "Ghost in the Shell. Akira. Blood: The Last Vampire. But mostly Ghost in the Shell." He also played Call of Duty on Xbox and Legend of Zelda Ocarina of time (his favorite) on Nintendo 64.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/15-Amazing-Things-We-Learned-About-Robin-Williams-During-His-AMA-39548.html Renegadeviking sept 14, 2015 20:37 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 August 2016

Replace 'committed suicide' with 'died by suicide' throughout the aricle.

Beadevilg (talk) 14:33, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. This has been discussed previously at [1] meamemg (talk) 15:59, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

I wanted to add a movie (2004) "The Final Cut" that Mr. Williams was not credited for on his Wiki page, but am unable due to the protections placed. Please review and add this work to his Filmography list. Thank you! Lady Jkattz (talk) 02:42, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Missing Film Credit

I wanted to add a movie (2004) "The Final Cut" that Mr. Williams was not credited for on his Wiki page, but am unable due to the protections placed. Please review and add this work to his Filmography list. Thank you! Lady Jkattz (talk) 02:44, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 September 2016

Original: On August 11, 2014, Williams committed suicide by hanging at his home in Paradise Cay, California.[8] Edited: On August 11, 2014, Williams took his own life by hanging at his home in Paradise Cay, California. [8] Suicide isn't a crime. Saying "committed" gives the connotation that it is but it hasn't been a crime for almost a century. As such a big figure in the public health community we need to have healthy talks about suicide and mental illness and by socially decriminalizing it we are changing the stigma surrounding it, hopefully taking the issue out of the closet. Matthew.Theriault (talk) 13:14, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Not done for now: see WP:EUPHEMISM — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 15:52, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Occupation clean up

There is too much stuff in the article about his occupations. It needs cleaning up, He is not much of a "director", "writer", voice artist" or a "producer" in jos career. His most notable occupation should be as "Actor and stand-up comedian".

2600:1000:B03D:9B3A:A879:D999:C96B:EF3F (talk) 02:15, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

You're incorrect, it's a community decision not Admins, Admins just act on the consensus. Mlpearc (open channel) 02:26, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

No, your wrong. He's right about his occupations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1000:B00D:B96A:1D35:DFDB:F7C3:76E8 (talk) 14:38, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

(2006) R.V. movie is missing from filmography

(2006) R.V. movie is missing from filmography Qt3141592 (talk) 17:36, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

@Qt3141592: No, it's listed here at Robin Williams filmography. The list here Robin Williams#Filmography is not meant to be a complete list, inclusion on this page would require consensus. Mlpearc (open channel) 17:47, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Picasso painting

Apparently Disney gave Robin Williams a Picasso painting to apologize for using his Aladdin voiceover in merchandising. Seems noteworthy enough to include in article. https://news.artnet.com/art-world/comedy-legend-robin-williams-battled-disney-depression-and-picasso-76633 CrocodilesAreForWimps (talk) 22:06, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

I'm not seeing how this is a noteworthy aspect of his life. Can you elaborate? meamemg (talk) 13:48, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

BLP Others applies to _other_ living people mentioned in the article, not the dead subject and his dead roommate

BLP Others clearly does not apply to the recent removal about Williams' Juilliard roommate, who is also dead. This content should be reinstated unless and until an applicable policy/guideline can be found to justify removal. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 20:00, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

The Google books reference is acceptable. - Mlpearc (open channel) 20:13, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

That is good, but the removal before had no basis in the policy you used. No living people were involved -- at least acknowledge this so I know a fellow editor understands policy, or alternatively, school me if you think I'm wrong. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 20:16, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

I'll let Samtar link below explain the guidelines. - Mlpearc (open channel) 20:21, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

I've been an editor for almost 13 years and I know the guideline. I see nothing there to back up your position. Would you mind explaining your interpretation of the policy as it applies here? Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 20:26, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Article fully protected

Due to a content dispute, I have locked this article for 1 week - please work together to discuss changes and gain consensus. Thank you -- Samtar ^{talk · contribs} 20:02, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

@Samtar: Please return the article to a version before the dispute. - Mlpearc (open channel) 20:04, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Even though it has been explained to you that no living persons are involved in this sentence of content? I wish I could understand your position, as it has yet not been fully explained. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 20:07, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

I've reverted to before the dispute had occurred - I'm not going to be changing the version again, as it's inevitable that I've protected the wrong version! Please talk this through calmly and civilly. Thanks all -- Samtar ^{talk · contribs} 20:09, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

@Samtar: Thank you. - Mlpearc (open channel) 20:11, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

That's exactly what I am trying to do. I am trying to get the removal fully explained. "BLP Others" is about other living people. There are no living people involved in this added sentence. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 20:14, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Given that I've protected the article I'm going to stay out of the dispute, but you may find this part of the BLP policy helpful -- Samtar ^{talk · contribs} 20:16, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. The clause "implications for their living relatives and friends" seems additionally instructive here. Who his roommate at Juiliard was would seem to not have any such implications. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 20:22, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

@Mlpearc and Stevietheman:As Samtar said, we need to work together. Through Google Books, Williams is mentioned as one of Franklyn Seales' roommates on page 164 in Jean Dorsinville's biography, FRANKLYN V.E. SEALES: Life of an Artist. Mlpearc, you told me that YouTube is an unreliable source, but what about the book? Is that reliable? Hitcher vs. Candyman (talk) 20:30, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

@Hitcher vs. Candyman: See my post in the section above, I already answered the Google books query of yours. Cheers, - Mlpearc (open channel) 21:02, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. Once protection expires, I will post the information concerning Williams and Seales and will use the Google Books source as a reference (unless an administrator is willing to do that).Hitcher vs. Candyman (talk) 21:14, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

I am trying to work with everyone here. But the responses I'm getting have the appearance of stonewalling. If one applies a policy, they should be able to explain how it applies. I am happy to accept a reasonable interpretation if one exists. Also, I am relieved a better source is available. I'm just a tiny bit alarmed at a potential misapplication of policy that would be good to have either explained or stopped for future reference. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 20:32, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

OK, I will be unwatching this article for now on. It's possible I will return for minor cleanups but that is it. Not worth the blood pressure spike I just got from this episode. I resent the tendentious stonewalling I've been given by Mlpearc in this matter. I will remember this. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 20:47, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

@Samtar: As far as I'm concerned Hitcher vs. Candyman has reached consensus using Google books instead of YouTube and I have no problem with removing the page protection so they can apply their changes. Cheers, - Mlpearc (open channel) 21:19, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

@Mlpearc: I'm glad that got resolved quickly - from the above I can see a consensus was reached. I have set the page protection back to semi -- Samtar ^{talk · contribs} 21:21, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

filmography

should include "The Angriest Man in Brooklyn" 2014 2602:306:3395:3650:289D:6AA:1965:57EA (talk) 23:16, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

References

It is. - Mlpearc (open channel) 23:24, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Somebody, please change it to a wiki link, there's a page for it at present. 99.232.216.129 (talk) 17:42, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Tributes

English heavy metal band Iron Maiden released a song in his memory called "Tears of a Clown" on their 2015 album "The Book of Souls" Ppbmc1 (talk) 20:10, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 March 2017

The website you list robinwilliams.com does not exist. I've tried it several times and the message indicates "it does not exist." Iamteecer (talk) 03:40, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

It may be temporarily down. Ian.thomson (talk) 04:01, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

I removed it last summer when it was noted that it was owned by someone else at that point. I'm not sure when it got back in, probably in the middle of reverting that went on around then. It does is a redirect to tumblr now, and doesn't look like it is coming back. I'm removing. meamemg (talk) 20:05, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Fair enough. Ian.thomson (talk) 23:59, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

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Bipolarity

Was his manifestly manic depressive/bipolar personality ever documented? If not, why not? If so, why is it not mentioned here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.168.17.209 (talk) 07:53, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Plagiarism Accusations

How come this article makes no mention of accusations of Robin Williams stealing jokes, but Carlos Mencia's article has a whole section on it. This seems rather unfair.

Williams has been accused of stealing material by many comics and it seems to be common knowledge in the world of comedy. I was recently listening to a clip from the Opie and Anthony Show about the plagiarism of Carlos Mencia and everyone said that Robin was a well known plagiarist. I added a section on it because I felt it was worth noting. The evidence is still extremely thin, however. Robin William's joke thievery is something everyone in comedy seems to know about but no one ever has an specific examples of him doing or hard evidence of. It seems to be taken for granted.

He denied it in a PlayBoy interview back in 1992. But finally did actually acknowledge the accusations and refered to it as "joke sampling" on an episode of WTF with Marc Maron suggesting he may have been taken others material.

This is one of those issues which means little without some sort of comparison with other comedians. Are there any comedians who have never told someone else's joke? HiLo48 (talk) 00:55, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

There is more about plagiarism in the section on “hardships” than there is in the “plagiarism” section… Jock123 (talk) 10:30, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

This is an old discussion. Years ago, I added a section of plagiarism accusations with several interviews from other comedians, talk shows, podcasts, the playboy interview, etc. RW fans fought tooth and nail to have that section removed, which they did under the argument that none of those sources qualified as reputable sources and it was nothing but hearsay. My argument was that it was not the intent to prove Williams plagiarized material but that it had been mentioned numerous times by several comedians in countless forms of media that the accusations warranted mention. More important, I noted that several other stand up comedians, such as Dane Cook, Carlos Mencia, and Dennis Leary all had sections in their bio's which discussed plagiarism and none had as many first hand accounts of plagiarism as did Williams. I felt then, and still do, that there is a bias from Robin Williams fans. Unlike Cook, Mencia, and Leary, Williams is an Academy Award winning actor who is beloved and has a very loyal and passionate fan base. To this day, Leary, Cook, and Mencia have much larger sections discussion plagiarism and Williams' has two sentences, despite Williams' having more accusations for a longer period of time.Jmurdock21 (talk) 20:06, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

References

Possible GA/FA push?

I'm thinking about taking this article to GA or FA status, using Phil Hartman and Katharine Hepburn, both FAs, as possible models. Eventually, if the Williams article does get promoted to Featured status, it can be featured as a TFA on either July 21 (the 68th anniversary of his birth) or August 11 (the 5th anniversary of his death). However, I think this article may need to have a look at some issues such as date formats and so forth. Also, one of my concerns on the article is that the biography and career sections might look a bit disjointed in different places; those may have to be organized chronologically by years.

All are welcome to assist in this process. If there are any additional thoughts or suggestions on what can be done to improve it, please post here. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 05:02, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Took a quick look at this and did an initial copyedit on the early life section. I think you're right on the money when you say "the biography and career sections might look a bit disjointed in different places; those may have to be organized chronologically by years". Jumping from the early section into a scattershot summary of his standup career - then jumping from the 70s to his last years - is jarring. His life and career should be covered in chronological order for sure. Popcornduff (talk) 03:11, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

I think we can start with Early life and then in the career section, we should start with his beginnings in the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s followed by his last years and death. As a note, we can merge the Legacy section with the tributes section as well, trim it down and rename it "Response and legacy", mirroring that of Phil Hartman's own article. We should also use Carrie Fisher's tribute section as a reference. We should also include his comedy style in a separate section. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 05:18, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Yep, sounds good. Popcornduff (talk) 05:49, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Citations

As a reminder, dead citations should be repaired or replaced. WebCite or the Internet Archive are good resources we can use. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 05:51, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Infobox photo

At this revision Surtsicna changed the infobox pic to that shown on the left, below. The previous image (in the middle) was here since 2017-03-01; that was only a different angle and better smile than this one, placed on 2014-02-12 (on the right). I may have missed other short-lived changes in between.

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  2018-12-01
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  2017-03-01
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  2014-02-12

I prefer the middle one. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 08:23, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

I do not feel strongly about it. I thought it would be better to have a photograph of him from his peak years. If, however, either of the 2017 images is chosen, we should remove the one taken the same day that appears later in the article. Surtsicna (talk) 08:59, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

@Surtsicna: Looking at commons:Category:Robin Williams, I don't really see anything that jumps out at me as a perfect portrait pic like the one that was there. The others that are reasonably representative, it turns out, are already in the article . I think the lower one with the Happy Feet character is different (and cute) enough to stay as well. Are there maybe any other sources of free pics that haven't made their way into Commons yet? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 12:23, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

While I do not mind using a different photo in the infobox than the one I inserted, I do think it is silly to have two photos of Williams taken on the same day, at the same event, in the same outfit. See MOS:IMAGERELEVANCE for more details. But yes, AlanM1, the internet is full of photographs that have the potential to become free. All you need to do is contact the copyright holder and ask her or him to release the photograph under a suitable license. I often send messages to FlickR users with this in mind. A photographer I recently encountered has happily released over a hundred high quality portraits. I suppose any site is okay as long as you can be certain who the author is and be able to contact him or her. Surtsicna (talk) 13:50, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

I looked at both Google and flickr for something suitable relevant to the film section or a better portrait for the infobox. Every one that I thought was at all interesting, we already have. Searching the non-free images would take some time, since you have to weed out all the non-starters (commercial news sources, etc.; right?), all the dups, etc.

Without putting too fine a point on it, I believe the previous infobox image is the best one we currently have. If you feel the lower image is duplicative, shouldn't that (less prominent) one be the one to be replaced? In the absence of consensus, shouldn't the photo that's been there for 21 months (only slightly different from the one that's been there nearly 5 years) remain? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 15:09, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

I've pinged WT:WikiProject Biography § Robin Williams pic for wider input. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 02:13, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

The middle one is the most agreeable picture. The bright, smiling expression better captures the essence of Williams than the neutral/slightly sleepy expression from 1996, especially for a person who is most widely know for comedy (people expect a glum, brooding Winston Churchill for instance, and should see a smiling Robin Williams). --Animalparty! (talk) 03:36, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

• Middle picture – my preferred choice. It has a smile, his face is looking at the camera, and I can’t remember ever seeing him with a gotee or facial hair. Corky 04:08, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

I've reverted back to the status quo (the middle pic) until we find something better. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 12:08, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Address

@Rms125a@hotmail.com: The address seems like too much detail, especially for the infobox, but I also don't see how it's encyclopedic, even in the body of the article. It doesn't seem to be routinely mentioned in on-topic sources (i.e. outside the real-estate records, background check sites, etc.). It's not in the Sky News article to which it's cited in the body (which has apparently moved), though a careful look at the pic suggests that the address is wrong, too. The discrepancy could be cleared up, but I don't think the residents need us to help invade their privacy any further, for no encyclopedic reason. (Pinging others who previously removed the info – @General Ization and User:86.174.162.63 via Talk) —[AlanM1(talk)]— 19:37, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

I concur. All it is likely to do is increase the number of uninvited visitors to his former home. General Ization ^Talk 19:39, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

I also agree and should be OS'd - FlightTime Phone (open channel) 19:40, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

 Done. Not sure if it qualifies for OS, since it's public info, but I removed it from the article. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 12:10, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2019

Please change mentions "committed suicide" to "died by suicide". Rachelberdan (talk) 15:24, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. Multiple discussions at WT:MOS have shown no consensus for making this wholesale change. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 15:58, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Discography

Overall, this article is very thorough and detailed. Thanks to all who've contributed. I was wondering, however, if we could get a Discography section added? I came here looking for a link to A Night at the Met and had to end up finding it under "Televised Live Performances". It could save other users time looking up information about this and his other discs. Thanks! FiggazWithAttitude (talk) 17:42, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Agreed. Discogs lists 19 items under Robin Williams, including at least a half dozen albums. With all of the detail on his film roles, there is scarcely anything at all about his comedy albums. Shocking Blue (talk) 17:15, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks @Shocking Blue . Hope you're staying healthy. FiggazWithAttitude (talk) 16:32, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Changes to lead reverted

I have reverted recent changes to the lead, while adding additional citations, for multiple reasons:

1. Saying that Williams had "severe dementia with Lewy bodies" is incorrect, and not what the sources say. The terminology involved in the Lewy body diseases is complex.
2. The autopsy used one term, Williams' widow used another, and later Lewy body disease experts confirmed what all the different terms mean; it is important to read all of the different sources linked in the body of the article.
3. In a person with a career as extensive as Williams, it is undue to devote an entire paragraph to nuanced details of his death in the lead; the topic is better explored in the body, where nuance can be addressed.

SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:23, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Speculation and overquoting

I have removed this speculative and overquoted text, written the day after Williams’s death and typical of the kind of rampant speculation in the press before his Lewy body autopsy results. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:13, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Adding Flubber

I was watching Ludwig on Twitch and they were browsing wikipedia. One of the articles they came across was Robin Williams and they couldn't find the film 'Flubber' anywhere on the page. 'Flubber' was the first film I ever watched which had Robin Williams in it, and I have admired his acting and comedy ever since. So I believe it is an influential film which should be included on his page. I tried to add it, but my edit was quickly removed due to the wording. I can try to rephrase so it gets on there, but I wasn't sure if there was another reason why it was not included. Are there any suggestions on the inclusion of 'Flubber' in this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cnoized (talk • contribs) 03:14, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Flubber is certainly one film I would have probably expected to see mentioned, but I can see that the article is written in such a way that it's not meant to contain a full list of all his movies. That is covered by the link to Robin Williams filmography in the Work section. Just to clarify the reason your edit was removed, you appear to have misused the word "rebuffed" in your addition. You should probably check its meaning in a dictionary. HiLo48 (talk) 03:59, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

You are definitely right. I had a completely different impression on the meaning of the word "rebuffed" in my addition. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. I am glad to see there is a separate page for his filmography which has Flubber on it. I am used to finding it included in their main page as a section, but now that section just has a link. Is that a recent development for actors to have a separate filmography page? Cnoized (talk) 11:50, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

• Apologies for intruding on this discussion. It depends on the actor. Those that have a long career have their filmographies put into a separate list to over making the main article too long or over-crowded. On the other hand, actors who do not have as many roles have their filmographies included as part of their main articles because it would not cause that kind of issue. I hope that clears things up. Aoba47 (talk) 03:12, 27 October 2020 (UTC)