Talk:Rosalie Edge

Hawk Mountain Sanctuary

Just added a 1917 photo of Rosalie Edge, not even realizing who she was. So glad to read this article and know she founded Hawk Mountain! I went there often with my grandmother and her Audubon Society friends as a kid in the 1970s. Happy memories, thank you to all who made this article.-Penny Richards (talk) 03:41, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Working on a GA nomination

Hi folks. Not a ton of visible life in this article or talk page. In case there are any watchlisters: I'm hoping to nominate this article for Good Article status sometime in the next month. This is part of WikiProject Women in Green's July GA drive. Any help would be appreciated. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 05:36, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

I have updated and referenced the sections on her early life and activism before the ECC. simongraham (talk) 07:14, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Hey simongraham! Thanks for your great work. Are you willing to be a co-nominator for the GA? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 23:19, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Rosalie Edge/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 23:39, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 23:39, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Image is appropriately tagged; sources are reliable.

• "The youngest of the five surviving children, she was nicknamed": suggest "Mabel was nicknamed", since we've just been speaking about her mother.
  • Changed as suggested. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:33, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
• "They married on 28 May": of which year?
  • Added year. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:33, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
• "brought a rift between her and her husband": suggest "created a rift".
  • Changed as suggested. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:33, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
• There are uncited sentences at the start of the "Emergency Conservation Comittee" section.
  • All now cited or trimmed. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:09, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
• "As a full-time volunteer environmental activist, she also asserted that it was every person's civic duty to protect nature, and she worked through the legislative process to achieve this." I don't follow the internal logic here. Why would her assertion depend on her volunteer activist status? And as written it seems as though the "this" at the end of the sentence refers to "every person's civic duty"; I think it's probably intended to refer to protecting nature.
  • Reworded to match the (newly added) citation and moved to a different, more relevant section. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:09, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
• "In 1931, Edge had filed a suit against the NAAS to obtain its membership mailing list": why "had"?
  • Removed. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs)
• There are uncited sentences in the last paragraph of "Conflict with the Audubon Society".
  • All now cited. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:09, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
• There's an uncited sentence at the end of "Hawk Mountain Sanctuary".
  • Citation added, and the number fixed to match the citation. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:09, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
• "the 30 years when she dominated the conservation movement": is this neutral? Sounds like she was an outsider part of that time; influential, perhaps, and ultimately successful, but not always the dominant figure.
  • Great point. I agree that it's non-neutral/inaccurate, and I've changed it from "dominated" to "was active in". I think this works as a short-term fix. In the long term, there are some powerful praise phrases present in the sources that might be worth summarizing with attribution. For now, Van Name's "indomitable hellcat" is at least exposing readers to that point of view. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:15, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 00:12, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi Mike Christie, and thanks for reviewing the article! I'll get started on responding to your feedback right away. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 00:50, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

I fixed all the easy ones. Five issues remaining. Hunting down some citations as I post this. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:33, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

All the missing citations are resolved. Here's a diff of those changes for easy review. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:09, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

All issues above now resolved, Mike Christie. Thanks again, and please let me know if more improvements need to be made to address the existing, or any new, concerns. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:15, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

The fixes all look good. I see that the edits lost the point about " a dramatic shift from the standard thinking and practice in conservation of only preserving species that had a quantifiable economic value"; I found that an interesting point, but since it was uncited I've no idea if it was true or how relevant it is to Edge. I'm going to go ahead and pass this, as it's definitely GA quality, and if that point is relevant I trust you to readd it at sooner or later. Interesting article, and she sounds like a remarkable person. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 03:37, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

I couldn't find that exact point and don't remember reading anything quite like it. It seems untrue, as much of conservation at the time was focused on species like songbirds with no direct economic value. I did find some stuff on the transformative influence of her (and the ECC's view) that I'll be adding shortly. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:48, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 23:28, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

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Rosalie Edge

• ... that American environmentalist Rosalie Edge was called "the only honest, unselfish, indomitable hellcat in the history of conservation"? Source: Rosalie Edge, Hawk of Mercy p. 3
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Douglas Chandor

Improved to Good Article status by Firefangledfeathers (talk). Self-nominated at 20:24, 10 September 2022 (UTC).

• Starting review. Updates to follow. Ktin (talk) 02:09, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Meets eligibility criteria - length, and newness i.e. recently promoted to GA. Article is well sourced. I will WP:AGF on some of the offline sources. QPQ done. Hook is cited and is interesting. Earwig does not find any issues. Marking this hook approved. I would encourage the nominator to consider adding the picture (which seems to be in WP:PD to the nomination as well. As a member of WP:WiR I think this is something we should push for. With or without the picture, this one is good to go. Ktin (talk) 02:17, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Ktin, thanks a lot! I think I included the image in the nom, but I'm not sure I did it right. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:20, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Reviewing the picture. The picture looks good and is in WP:PD. Albeit aged (for obvious reasons) this one meets homepage quality expectations. Btw, if there is a way to clip the text from the bottom of the image, I would recommend we do that. With or without that, this one is good to go with the image. Original 'Tick' should suffice as proof of approval. Nice work. Ktin (talk) 02:24, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks again. I swapped in a cropped version of the image, here and in the article. Good advice. Firefangledfeathers (talk /

contribs) 03:34, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Looks good. To the promoter, I (am speaking on behalf of the nominator, but) would prefer that we go with this one into the image slot, even if it means waiting longer for a slot to come available. Ktin (talk) 04:12, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Same! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:14, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Spotchecks

Firefangledfeathers, I realized after I promoted this to GA that I should have done some spotchecks. I've now done some and found one issue I wanted to check with you:

• FN 14 cites "She joined the New York State Women's Suffrage Party, becoming corresponding secretary in 1915." It doesn't seem clear to me from the source that it was 1915 when she became corresponding secretary.

That was the only issue that came up of the ones I looked at. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:06, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Mike Christie. The year is supported by Holmes 2004, so I swapped that in. Thanks for the spot check! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:08, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Great; thanks. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 15:55, 25 September 2022 (UTC)